The President and Cabinet must resign in accordance with the Constitution

December 30 2018

Source

Both the President and Prime Minister accepted the outcome of the confidence vote. The President said that the Government will abide by it and “facilitate the smooth functioning of the general and regional elections…” The Government has now changed his mind, will question the Speaker’s ruling, has reneged on his commitment that “the relevant constitutional provisions will kick in” and has grabbed a flimsy lifeline thrown to the Government by Mr. Nigel Hughes. Ridiculously puerile excuses by the Prime Minister, reflecting a desperate attempt by the Government to stay unlawfully in office in violation of all norms of democratic, constitutional and lawful conduct, were relied on.

The Speaker will now be asked to act as a policeman and investigate whether Mr. Charrandas Persaud was bribed, and also whether the majority should have been 34 and not 33, having repeatedly ruled since 2015, and having been accepted by the Government since 2011, that a majority is 33. These are ominous developments, which will bring ridicule to Guyana and to the APNU+AFC Government, derail the democratic process and have grave implications for Guyana’s future and for Parliamentary democracy. 

The no confidence amendment is created by Article 106(6) and (7) of the Constitution. Article 106(6) provides that the “Cabinet including the President shall resign if the Government is defeated by the vote of the majority of all elected members of the National Assembly on a vote of confidence.” Article 106(7) provides that “Notwithstanding its defeat, the Government shall remain in office and shall hold an election within three months….and shall resign after the President takes the oath of office following the election.”

Article 106(6) automatically triggers the resignation of the Cabinet, which is defined by the Constitution as comprising the President, Prime Minister, Vice Presidents and Ministers, upon the passage of a no confidence vote. The resignation is stayed only to manage elections. By not resigning the President and Cabinet are violating the Constitution. The President’s characterization is that this is “a constitutional process which can have favourable outcomes for the nation.” The “favourable outcomes” can only be realized if the “constitutional process” is respected and the President and Cabinet resign.

Prior to 2000-2002, when the constitutional reforms were implemented, the resignation of a government on a confidence vote was a convention. The Constitution Reform Commission (CRC) noted the uncertainty as to whether the President would have to resign. For this reason, it recommended as follows: “The following shall be included in Article 106: ‘The Cabinet shall be collectively responsible to Parliament for the control of the Government of Guyana. It shall be provided that the Cabinet, including the President, who is part and parcel of the Cabinet as provided for in Article 106, must resign if the Government is defeated by a majority of all the members of the National Assembly on a vote of confidence.’” The PPP members of the Commission abstained. It’s a matter of the greatest irony that it is the PPP, which declined to formally support the recommendation in the Commission, that has now relied on and benefited from it.

Two things are certain, however. Firstly, the Speaker cannot recall, reverse or vitiate his ruling that the motion was carried, without violating the Standing Orders, and making a mockery of Parliament.  Secondly, fanciful theories of mathematical precision are nowhere recognized as a basis for statutory interpretation. What the National Assembly intended and/or contemplated by the use of the word “majority” in Article 106(6), based on the legal principles relating to statutory interpretation, are the determining factors.

Since 2011 the National Assembly has recognized the 33-32 vote as a valid majority. This accords with the literal interpretation of “majority,” defined by the Oxford dictionary as “the greater number.” “Majority rule” means “that the greater number shall exercise greater power.” The “Table for determining majority and two-thirds votes” by Michigan State University (https://msu.edu/~spha/documents/determinevote.pdf) lists the majority of 65 as 33. 49 pairs of numbers (98 in total) out of the 1 to 100 that are listed, have the same number as a majority. Only the numbers 1 and 100 are not paired with any others. Thus 33 as a majority for two numbers, 64 and 65, is the rule rather than the exception. On all rational considerations, it is clear that the National Assembly, when it voted in favour of Article 106(6), intended that the word “majority” should mean 33 of the 65 members of the National Assembly, and that the latter did not have in its contemplation that because there cannot be half a member, the majority should be 34.

If the Speaker were to overthrow Parliamentary governance by an ex post facto ruling that a majority of 65 is 34, the revisiting of legislation rejected from 2011 to 2015 and passed between 2015 and the present on the 33-32 majority would rent our Constitution asunder and drown Guyana in chaos, confusion and crisis.

I wonder if the Government, in its reckless drive to destroy Guyana’s democracy, considers what would happen if it succeeds. It can never pass any legislation with 33 votes. It cannot retrospectively legalise what occurred since 2015 with 33 votes. Is it really worth it? For one more year in office?

(https://msu.edu/~spha/documents/determinevote.pdf)

Looks like Ramkarran reads GNI Political, I posted the document in link to verify a majority.

One coolie man voted his conscience after watching his constituents suffer. In doing so, he caused a power-hungry bunch of individuals to go into a tizzy. Assaulted and death threat sent him into hiding. Because he was honest, he is labeled a Judas who was bribed with millions of dollars.
Is there anyone here who can prove that a bribe was given? Was he or they the porter(s) for Charandass?
If a negro did this in a PPP government he would have been called Superman and a savior of black people.

Conscience is the fulcrum on which civilization stands
Dec 30, 2018 Features / Columnists, Freddie Kissoon 0 Comments

This is one human on Planet Earth that don’t give a damn what people say and think of him. This is a law of human society. You fall by the wayside when you become preoccupied with what people say about you. Life is about obligation and conscience. They are priceless values that hold civilization together.
You have an obligation to the people who love, protect and provide for you. It begins and ends there. What I am about to say here in relation to someone very close to me is the truth. Whoever thinks it is a fictional account, then that is their business, not mine.
This article is about the role of conscience in humans. It is motivated by the Charrandass Persaud situation. He said conscience was the factor in him voting against his government so it can fall. I accept conscience as the fulcrum of which civilization stands.
My wife worked as a state employee for fourteen years at GO-Invest, where she was an investment officer. During her time there, the government was led by the PPP. My wife never, even for one moment, discussed the nature of her work with me. Some humans are like that. Many humans are like that. My wife saw herself as serving her country, not her husband’s politics. She never discussed politics with me. She never discussed her professional work with me. I never sought political dialogue with her. I never enquired what she was doing at GO-Invest.
If you cannot believe that, then you do not know a damn thing about the nature of humans. Mental thinking comes in countless forms. Had I ever ask my wife to tell me what was going on at GO-Invest, I think our marriage would have broken down. She would have seen me as a hypocrite. She would have said that the very values I was fighting for, I was asking her to violate.
I hate to be personal, but the publication of the personal factor here is to underscore the role of conscience in life. The conscience my wife carried led her to serve her country without being influenced by her husband’s politics.
People are denying Charrandass’ motive of conscience. He is being derogated for citing conscience. They are attributing conspiratorial and financial motives to him. But could it not be conscience?
Was it conscience when Daniel Ellsberg as a civil servant violated the security laws of the US Government and released secret files that revealed the US government’s illegal role in the Vietnam War? Today most people in the world have a level of respect for Ellsberg.
Was it conscience when the deputy head of the FBI, Mark Felt, was secretly feeding the Washington Post classified information on President Nixon’s illegal involvement in the cover-up of Watergate?
Was it conscience that led Chelsea Manning to violate US espionage laws by giving the world’s top newspapers details of American atrocities in the occupation of Iraq? Manning was charged and sentenced, but pardoned by President Obama.
Was it conscience that led Edward Snowden to publicly reveal that US security agencies were collecting data on the personal lives of a majority of Americans?
The priceless value of conscience was on display for the entire world to see at the Nuremberg Trial. The judges did not accept the reasons given by dozens and dozens of accused for why Nazi underlings murdered countless persons. They simply said they had to follow orders. In what situation does an order conflict with conscience?
This is where Charrandass Persaud’s action comes in. Charrandass’ explanation of conscience should be considered. If it can be proven that Persaud was conspiratorial and devious, then, the evidence will make him permanently infamous. But until allegations of bribery become evidential, the conscience polemic cannot easily be dismissed
This is how Persaud exonerates himself using conscience. He said he was the Region 6 representative in Parliament, but was a rubber stamp, in that he was given no political authority to serve the interests of Region 6. He argued that when one of the most historical decisions in Guyanese history – the closure of the sugar estates – was made, he read about it in the press.
For two years as a close friend, Charrandass told me he wanted to leave politics because APNU+AFC’s governance was not essentially different from the PPP’s lust for power. At a birthnight party on David Street, Kitty, he told me only his safety concern would deter him from voting for a no-confidence vote. When the vote did come, he confided in me. I kept it secret because my conscience and obligation were to my country and not unaccountable politicians.

Django posted:

"The no confidence amendment is created by Article 106(6) and (7) of the Constitution. Article 106(6) provides that the “Cabinet including the President shall resign if the Government is defeated by the vote of the majority of all elected members of the National Assembly on a vote of confidence.” Article 106(7) provides that “Notwithstanding its defeat, the Government shall remain in office and shall hold an election within three months….and shall resign after the President takes the oath of office following the election.”

Article 106(6) automatically triggers the resignation of the Cabinet, which is defined by the Constitution as comprising the President, Prime Minister, Vice Presidents and Ministers, upon the passage of a no confidence vote. The resignation is stayed only to manage elections. By not resigning the President and Cabinet are violating the Constitution. The President’s characterization is that this is “a constitutional process which can have favourable outcomes for the nation.” The “favourable outcomes” can only be realized if the “constitutional process” is respected and the President and Cabinet resign."

extra-constitutional NONSENSE from Ralph Ramkarran

of a piece with the somersaults he's been engaging since his 'advice' to the PPP published on November 26

since then, he has effectively managed to pull off describing 'himself' as "ridiculously puerile" among other professionally insulting things without anybody who has read his shyte saying . . . whoa, whoa . . . Ralph . . . wait, wait

enabled by Stabroek News, he now seeks to place it all at the feet of Nigel Hughes

neat trick

skeldon_man posted:

One coolie man voted his conscience after watching his constituents suffer. In doing so, he caused a power-hungry bunch of individuals to go into a tizzy. Assaulted and death threat sent him into hiding. Because he was honest, he is labeled a Judas who was bribed with millions of dollars.
Is there anyone here who can prove that a bribe was given? Was he or they the porter(s) for Charandass?
If a negro did this in a PPP government he would have been called Superman and a savior of black people.

Because its simple....people understand political power and why its important to hold on to power....no one gives up power that easy...

besides....there is too much at stake here....whoever wins will be able to ride the wave of the oil economy....and may be in power for a long time.

Put yourself in the shoes of an Afros...this means they will be locked out of power for a long time....like the Indos were locked out for 28 years....the difference here is that the coalition is not going to give up w/o a fight.

Anan posted:

Conscience is the fulcrum on which civilization stands
Dec 30, 2018 Features / Columnists, Freddie Kissoon 0 Comments

This is one human on Planet Earth that don’t give a damn what people say and think of him. This is a law of human society. You fall by the wayside when you become preoccupied with what people say about you. Life is about obligation and conscience. They are priceless values that hold civilization together.
You have an obligation to the people who love, protect and provide for you. It begins and ends there. What I am about to say here in relation to someone very close to me is the truth. Whoever thinks it is a fictional account, then that is their business, not mine.
This article is about the role of conscience in humans. It is motivated by the Charrandass Persaud situation. He said conscience was the factor in him voting against his government so it can fall. I accept conscience as the fulcrum of which civilization stands.
My wife worked as a state employee for fourteen years at GO-Invest, where she was an investment officer. During her time there, the government was led by the PPP. My wife never, even for one moment, discussed the nature of her work with me. Some humans are like that. Many humans are like that. My wife saw herself as serving her country, not her husband’s politics. She never discussed politics with me. She never discussed her professional work with me. I never sought political dialogue with her. I never enquired what she was doing at GO-Invest.
If you cannot believe that, then you do not know a damn thing about the nature of humans. Mental thinking comes in countless forms. Had I ever ask my wife to tell me what was going on at GO-Invest, I think our marriage would have broken down. She would have seen me as a hypocrite. She would have said that the very values I was fighting for, I was asking her to violate.
I hate to be personal, but the publication of the personal factor here is to underscore the role of conscience in life. The conscience my wife carried led her to serve her country without being influenced by her husband’s politics.
People are denying Charrandass’ motive of conscience. He is being derogated for citing conscience. They are attributing conspiratorial and financial motives to him. But could it not be conscience?
Was it conscience when Daniel Ellsberg as a civil servant violated the security laws of the US Government and released secret files that revealed the US government’s illegal role in the Vietnam War? Today most people in the world have a level of respect for Ellsberg.
Was it conscience when the deputy head of the FBI, Mark Felt, was secretly feeding the Washington Post classified information on President Nixon’s illegal involvement in the cover-up of Watergate?
Was it conscience that led Chelsea Manning to violate US espionage laws by giving the world’s top newspapers details of American atrocities in the occupation of Iraq? Manning was charged and sentenced, but pardoned by President Obama.
Was it conscience that led Edward Snowden to publicly reveal that US security agencies were collecting data on the personal lives of a majority of Americans?
The priceless value of conscience was on display for the entire world to see at the Nuremberg Trial. The judges did not accept the reasons given by dozens and dozens of accused for why Nazi underlings murdered countless persons. They simply said they had to follow orders. In what situation does an order conflict with conscience?
This is where Charrandass Persaud’s action comes in. Charrandass’ explanation of conscience should be considered. If it can be proven that Persaud was conspiratorial and devious, then, the evidence will make him permanently infamous. But until allegations of bribery become evidential, the conscience polemic cannot easily be dismissed
This is how Persaud exonerates himself using conscience. He said he was the Region 6 representative in Parliament, but was a rubber stamp, in that he was given no political authority to serve the interests of Region 6. He argued that when one of the most historical decisions in Guyanese history – the closure of the sugar estates – was made, he read about it in the press.
For two years as a close friend, Charrandass told me he wanted to leave politics because APNU+AFC’s governance was not essentially different from the PPP’s lust for power. At a birthnight party on David Street, Kitty, he told me only his safety concern would deter him from voting for a no-confidence vote. When the vote did come, he confided in me. I kept it secret because my conscience and obligation were to my country and not unaccountable politicians.

I dont believe Freddie....he is inserting himself into this saga, making himself feel important....opportunist

Django posted:

The President and Cabinet must resign in accordance with the Constitution

December 30 2018

Source

Both the President and Prime Minister accepted the outcome of the confidence vote. The President said that the Government will abide by it and “facilitate the smooth functioning of the general and regional elections…” The Government has now changed his mind, will question the Speaker’s ruling, has reneged on his commitment that “the relevant constitutional provisions will kick in” and has grabbed a flimsy lifeline thrown to the Government by Mr. Nigel Hughes. Ridiculously puerile excuses by the Prime Minister, reflecting a desperate attempt by the Government to stay unlawfully in office in violation of all norms of democratic, constitutional and lawful conduct, were relied on.

The Speaker will now be asked to act as a policeman and investigate whether Mr. Charrandas Persaud was bribed, and also whether the majority should have been 34 and not 33, having repeatedly ruled since 2015, and having been accepted by the Government since 2011, that a majority is 33. These are ominous developments, which will bring ridicule to Guyana and to the APNU+AFC Government, derail the democratic process and have grave implications for Guyana’s future and for Parliamentary democracy. 

The no confidence amendment is created by Article 106(6) and (7) of the Constitution. Article 106(6) provides that the “Cabinet including the President shall resign if the Government is defeated by the vote of the majority of all elected members of the National Assembly on a vote of confidence.” Article 106(7) provides that “Notwithstanding its defeat, the Government shall remain in office and shall hold an election within three months….and shall resign after the President takes the oath of office following the election.”

Article 106(6) automatically triggers the resignation of the Cabinet, which is defined by the Constitution as comprising the President, Prime Minister, Vice Presidents and Ministers, upon the passage of a no confidence vote. The resignation is stayed only to manage elections. By not resigning the President and Cabinet are violating the Constitution. The President’s characterization is that this is “a constitutional process which can have favourable outcomes for the nation.” The “favourable outcomes” can only be realized if the “constitutional process” is respected and the President and Cabinet resign.

Prior to 2000-2002, when the constitutional reforms were implemented, the resignation of a government on a confidence vote was a convention. The Constitution Reform Commission (CRC) noted the uncertainty as to whether the President would have to resign. For this reason, it recommended as follows: “The following shall be included in Article 106: ‘The Cabinet shall be collectively responsible to Parliament for the control of the Government of Guyana. It shall be provided that the Cabinet, including the President, who is part and parcel of the Cabinet as provided for in Article 106, must resign if the Government is defeated by a majority of all the members of the National Assembly on a vote of confidence.’” The PPP members of the Commission abstained. It’s a matter of the greatest irony that it is the PPP, which declined to formally support the recommendation in the Commission, that has now relied on and benefited from it.

Two things are certain, however. Firstly, the Speaker cannot recall, reverse or vitiate his ruling that the motion was carried, without violating the Standing Orders, and making a mockery of Parliament.  Secondly, fanciful theories of mathematical precision are nowhere recognized as a basis for statutory interpretation. What the National Assembly intended and/or contemplated by the use of the word “majority” in Article 106(6), based on the legal principles relating to statutory interpretation, are the determining factors.

Since 2011 the National Assembly has recognized the 33-32 vote as a valid majority. This accords with the literal interpretation of “majority,” defined by the Oxford dictionary as “the greater number.” “Majority rule” means “that the greater number shall exercise greater power.” The “Table for determining majority and two-thirds votes” by Michigan State University (https://msu.edu/~spha/documents/determinevote.pdf) lists the majority of 65 as 33. 49 pairs of numbers (98 in total) out of the 1 to 100 that are listed, have the same number as a majority. Only the numbers 1 and 100 are not paired with any others. Thus 33 as a majority for two numbers, 64 and 65, is the rule rather than the exception. On all rational considerations, it is clear that the National Assembly, when it voted in favour of Article 106(6), intended that the word “majority” should mean 33 of the 65 members of the National Assembly, and that the latter did not have in its contemplation that because there cannot be half a member, the majority should be 34.

If the Speaker were to overthrow Parliamentary governance by an ex post facto ruling that a majority of 65 is 34, the revisiting of legislation rejected from 2011 to 2015 and passed between 2015 and the present on the 33-32 majority would rent our Constitution asunder and drown Guyana in chaos, confusion and crisis.

I wonder if the Government, in its reckless drive to destroy Guyana’s democracy, considers what would happen if it succeeds. It can never pass any legislation with 33 votes. It cannot retrospectively legalise what occurred since 2015 with 33 votes. Is it really worth it? For one more year in office?

Ralph believes that the government should resign, others believe it should resign before elections.

This makes no sense....there has to be a government to run things until elections are held and a new government is sworn in.

Ralph says if Speaker Scotland accepts 34 as the majority and quashes his December 21 decision, from now until 2020 APNU+AFC will NEVER get any motion or bill passed with its 33 parliamentarians' votes. Excellent point.

Gilbakka posted:

Ralph says if Speaker Scotland accepts 34 as the majority and quashes his December 21 decision, from now until 2020 APNU+AFC will NEVER get any motion or bill passed with its 33 parliamentarians' votes. Excellent point.

Ralph laid out a case arguing the opposite on Nov. 26 . . . ask him

Gilbakka posted:

Ralph says if Speaker Scotland accepts 34 as the majority and quashes his December 21 decision, from now until 2020 APNU+AFC will NEVER get any motion or bill passed with its 33 parliamentarians' votes. Excellent point.

Yes...but you know dem smart coalition people will split hairs and say a NC vote is different from passing laws...after all...a government has to work in the interest of the people....

I dont thing that is an immediate concern of the coalition....they looking for a reason to make the NC vote irrelevant.

VishMahabir posted:

skeldon_man posted:

One coolie man voted his conscience after watching his constituents suffer. In doing so, he caused a power-hungry bunch of individuals to go into a tizzy. Assaulted and death threat sent him into hiding. Because he was honest, he is labeled a Judas who was bribed with millions of dollars.
Is there anyone here who can prove that a bribe was given? Was he or they the porter(s) for Charandass?
If a negro did this in a PPP government he would have been called Superman and a savior of black people.

Because its simple....people understand political power and why its important to hold on to power....no one gives up power that easy...

besides....there is too much at stake here....whoever wins will be able to ride the wave of the oil economy....and may be in power for a long time.

Put yourself in the shoes of an Afros...this means they will be locked out of power for a long time....like the Indos were locked out for 28 years....the difference here is that the coalition is not going to give up w/o a fight.

Jagdeo and the PPP did more for the negroes than he did for the coolies. Negroes were not completely locked out from the PPP. Coolies were locked out more than negroes, that is why Jagdeo had so many coolie enemies. When the PPP was in power and I visited Guyana to conduct my mother's business, I dealt mostly with negroes. They had it good then too. If the PPP was to fire them like the PNC did to the coolies, riots would have ensued.

skeldon_man posted:

Jagdeo and the PPP did more for the negroes than he did for the coolies. Negroes were not completely locked out from the PPP. Coolies were locked out more than negroes, that is why Jagdeo had so many coolie enemies. When the PPP was in power and I visited Guyana to conduct my mother's business, I dealt mostly with negroes. They had it good then too. If the PPP was to fire them like the PNC did to the coolies, riots would have ensued.

crudely perfumed racist vomit from the man who deploys "negroes" and other variants like "negras" because the OTHER word is banned

ronan posted:

extra-constitutional NONSENSE from Ralph Ramkarran

of a piece with the somersaults he's been engaging since his 'advice' to the PPP published on November 26

since then, he has effectively managed to pull off describing 'himself' as "ridiculously puerile" among other professionally insulting things without anybody who has read his shyte saying . . . whoa, whoa . . . Ralph . . . wait, wait

enabled by Stabroek News, he now seeks to place it all at the feet of Nigel Hughes

neat trick

 Why rush to defend Nigel, a fellow who failed 1st form and was held back? This is the same fellow who tampered with evidence by removing the gas station killing video some years back. 

Do you understand this statement? How it proves that 33 is a majority? Even the slopster don't understand what was cut and pasted. 

Cabinet including the President shall resign if the Government is defeated by the vote of the majority of all elected members of the National Assembly on a vote of confidence.” 

ronan posted:

Gilbakka posted:

Ralph says if Speaker Scotland accepts 34 as the majority and quashes his December 21 decision, from now until 2020 APNU+AFC will NEVER get any motion or bill passed with its 33 parliamentarians' votes. Excellent point.

Ralph laid out a case arguing the opposite on Nov. 26 . . . ask him

He later retracted.

skeldon_man posted:

VishMahabir posted:

skeldon_man posted:

One coolie man voted his conscience after watching his constituents suffer. In doing so, he caused a power-hungry bunch of individuals to go into a tizzy. Assaulted and death threat sent him into hiding. Because he was honest, he is labeled a Judas who was bribed with millions of dollars.
Is there anyone here who can prove that a bribe was given? Was he or they the porter(s) for Charandass?
If a negro did this in a PPP government he would have been called Superman and a savior of black people.

Because its simple....people understand political power and why its important to hold on to power....no one gives up power that easy...

besides....there is too much at stake here....whoever wins will be able to ride the wave of the oil economy....and may be in power for a long time.

Put yourself in the shoes of an Afros...this means they will be locked out of power for a long time....like the Indos were locked out for 28 years....the difference here is that the coalition is not going to give up w/o a fight.

Jagdeo and the PPP did more for the negroes than he did for the coolies. Negroes were not completely locked out from the PPP. Coolies were locked out more than negroes, that is why Jagdeo had so many coolie enemies. When the PPP was in power and I visited Guyana to conduct my mother's business, I dealt mostly with negroes. They had it good then too. If the PPP was to fire them like the PNC did to the coolies, riots would have ensued.

ronan posted:

skeldon_man posted:

Jagdeo and the PPP did more for the negroes than he did for the coolies. Negroes were not completely locked out from the PPP. Coolies were locked out more than negroes, that is why Jagdeo had so many coolie enemies. When the PPP was in power and I visited Guyana to conduct my mother's business, I dealt mostly with negroes. They had it good then too. If the PPP was to fire them like the PNC did to the coolies, riots would have ensued.

crudely perfumed racist vomit from the man who deploys "negroes" and other variants like "negras" because the THE other word is banned

Listen to this negro KKK.

DJ tun the morality police on gNI, despite limitations on education. 

Dem trying every game in the book.  Now them doubting their own constitution!

skeldon_man posted:

VishMahabir posted:

skeldon_man posted:

One coolie man voted his conscience after watching his constituents suffer. In doing so, he caused a power-hungry bunch of individuals to go into a tizzy. Assaulted and death threat sent him into hiding. Because he was honest, he is labeled a Judas who was bribed with millions of dollars.
Is there anyone here who can prove that a bribe was given? Was he or they the porter(s) for Charandass?
If a negro did this in a PPP government he would have been called Superman and a savior of black people.

Because its simple....people understand political power and why its important to hold on to power....no one gives up power that easy...

besides....there is too much at stake here....whoever wins will be able to ride the wave of the oil economy....and may be in power for a long time.

Put yourself in the shoes of an Afros...this means they will be locked out of power for a long time....like the Indos were locked out for 28 years....the difference here is that the coalition is not going to give up w/o a fight.

Jagdeo and the PPP did more for the negroes than he did for the coolies. Negroes were not completely locked out from the PPP. Coolies were locked out more than negroes, that is why Jagdeo had so many coolie enemies. When the PPP was in power and I visited Guyana to conduct my mother's business, I dealt mostly with negroes. They had it good then too. If the PPP was to fire them like the PNC did to the coolies, riots would have ensued.

Then why did they not do the right thing and make changes to areas that would reflect a balance in these institutions, like the army, police, etc.?

PPP always had a beef with the army (stealing ballot boxes, etc) so why take a chance and leave those institutions untouched, especially since this is where power matters the most. Why did the PPP not work with the Opposition then to come up with a sensible plan to address potential race  issues?

The reason is because they really believe the party accommodates all Guyanese, totally oblivious of the race problem....one of the tragic weakness of Guyanese leaders. ...everybody sweeping this problem under the rug.

Gilbakka posted:

ronan posted:

Gilbakka posted:

Ralph says if Speaker Scotland accepts 34 as the majority and quashes his December 21 decision, from now until 2020 APNU+AFC will NEVER get any motion or bill passed with its 33 parliamentarians' votes. Excellent point.

Ralph laid out a case arguing the opposite on Nov. 26 . . . ask him

He later retracted.

AFTER the vote . . . i know

Drugb posted:

DJ tun the morality police on gNI, despite limitations on education. 

Dunce take a hike !!! you are a contaminant !!!

Drugb posted:

DJ tun the morality police on gNI, despite limitations on education. 

When people go after you for shit dunking, don't complain!

Baseman posted:

Drugb posted:

DJ tun the morality police on gNI, despite limitations on education. 

When people go after you for shit dunking, don't complain!

He said he has limited Heducation.

Django posted:

skeldon_man posted:

VishMahabir posted:

skeldon_man posted:

One coolie man voted his conscience after watching his constituents suffer. In doing so, he caused a power-hungry bunch of individuals to go into a tizzy. Assaulted and death threat sent him into hiding. Because he was honest, he is labeled a Judas who was bribed with millions of dollars.
Is there anyone here who can prove that a bribe was given? Was he or they the porter(s) for Charandass?
If a negro did this in a PPP government he would have been called Superman and a savior of black people.

Because its simple....people understand political power and why its important to hold on to power....no one gives up power that easy...

besides....there is too much at stake here....whoever wins will be able to ride the wave of the oil economy....and may be in power for a long time.

Put yourself in the shoes of an Afros...this means they will be locked out of power for a long time....like the Indos were locked out for 28 years....the difference here is that the coalition is not going to give up w/o a fight.

Jagdeo and the PPP did more for the negroes than he did for the coolies. Negroes were not completely locked out from the PPP. Coolies were locked out more than negroes, that is why Jagdeo had so many coolie enemies. When the PPP was in power and I visited Guyana to conduct my mother's business, I dealt mostly with negroes. They had it good then too. If the PPP was to fire them like the PNC did to the coolies, riots would have ensued.

 

Ne·gro

dated•offensive

noun

plural noun: Negroes

1. a member of a dark-skinned group of peoples originally native to Africa south of the Sahara.

mid 16th century: via Spanish and Portuguese from Latin niger, nigr- ‘black.’

 

coo·lie

noun

dated•offensive

plural noun: coolies

1. an unskilled native laborer in India, China, and some other Asian countries.

It might deem offensive. However, if it's in the dictionary and it is not considered derogatory, I will use them.

skeldon_man posted:

ronan posted:

skeldon_man posted:

Jagdeo and the PPP did more for the negroes than he did for the coolies. Negroes were not completely locked out from the PPP. Coolies were locked out more than negroes, that is why Jagdeo had so many coolie enemies. When the PPP was in power and I visited Guyana to conduct my mother's business, I dealt mostly with negroes. They had it good then too. If the PPP was to fire them like the PNC did to the coolies, riots would have ensued.

crudely perfumed racist vomit from the man who deploys "negroes" and other variants like "negras" because the THE other word is banned

Listen to this negro KKK.

that's a good line and all, but i don't have a RECORD of vile racist posts on GNI

you do!

why are running away from your fame?

@Former Member

There's no gain morally or financially in insisting on the "negroes" usage. Cease, please. Friendly advice.

Django posted:

skeldon_man posted:

VishMahabir posted:

skeldon_man posted:

One coolie man voted his conscience after watching his constituents suffer. In doing so, he caused a power-hungry bunch of individuals to go into a tizzy. Assaulted and death threat sent him into hiding. Because he was honest, he is labeled a Judas who was bribed with millions of dollars.
Is there anyone here who can prove that a bribe was given? Was he or they the porter(s) for Charandass?
If a negro did this in a PPP government he would have been called Superman and a savior of black people.

Because its simple....people understand political power and why its important to hold on to power....no one gives up power that easy...

besides....there is too much at stake here....whoever wins will be able to ride the wave of the oil economy....and may be in power for a long time.

Put yourself in the shoes of an Afros...this means they will be locked out of power for a long time....like the Indos were locked out for 28 years....the difference here is that the coalition is not going to give up w/o a fight.

Jagdeo and the PPP did more for the negroes than he did for the coolies. Negroes were not completely locked out from the PPP. Coolies were locked out more than negroes, that is why Jagdeo had so many coolie enemies. When the PPP was in power and I visited Guyana to conduct my mother's business, I dealt mostly with negroes. They had it good then too. If the PPP was to fire them like the PNC did to the coolies, riots would have ensued.

 

Ne·gro

dated•offensive

noun

plural noun: Negroes

1. a member of a dark-skinned group of peoples originally native to Africa south of the Sahara.

mid 16th century: via Spanish and Portuguese from Latin niger, nigr- ‘black.’

 

coo·lie

noun

dated•offensive

plural noun: coolies

1. an unskilled native laborer in India, China, and some other Asian countries.

Dis banna Skeleton Man...really lost his mind....no pun intended...

VishMahabir posted:

skeldon_man posted:

VishMahabir posted:

skeldon_man posted:

One coolie man voted his conscience after watching his constituents suffer. In doing so, he caused a power-hungry bunch of individuals to go into a tizzy. Assaulted and death threat sent him into hiding. Because he was honest, he is labeled a Judas who was bribed with millions of dollars.
Is there anyone here who can prove that a bribe was given? Was he or they the porter(s) for Charandass?
If a negro did this in a PPP government he would have been called Superman and a savior of black people.

Because its simple....people understand political power and why its important to hold on to power....no one gives up power that easy...

besides....there is too much at stake here....whoever wins will be able to ride the wave of the oil economy....and may be in power for a long time.

Put yourself in the shoes of an Afros...this means they will be locked out of power for a long time....like the Indos were locked out for 28 years....the difference here is that the coalition is not going to give up w/o a fight.

Jagdeo and the PPP did more for the negroes than he did for the coolies. Negroes were not completely locked out from the PPP. Coolies were locked out more than negroes, that is why Jagdeo had so many coolie enemies. When the PPP was in power and I visited Guyana to conduct my mother's business, I dealt mostly with negroes. They had it good then too. If the PPP was to fire them like the PNC did to the coolies, riots would have ensued.

Then why did they not do the right thing and make changes to areas that would reflect a balance in these institutions, like the army, police, etc.?

PPP always had a beef with the army (stealing ballot boxes, etc) so why take a chance and leave those institutions untouched, especially since this is where power matters the most. Why did the PPP not work with the Opposition then to come up with a sensible plan to address potential race  issues?

The reason is because they really believe the party accommodates all Guyanese, totally oblivious of the race problem....one of the tragic weakness of Guyanese leaders. ...everybody sweeping this problem under the rug.

You are too distanced and too young to understand coolie culture in Guyana.

Drugb posted:

DJ tun the morality police on gNI, despite limitations on education. 

Is this not a form of personal attacks?

Gilbakka posted:

@Former Member

There's no gain morally or financially in insisting on the "negroes" usage. Cease, please. Friendly advice.

When they stop using the Indian KKK, I will cease calling them negroes.

skeldon_man posted:

ronan posted:

skeldon_man posted:

Jagdeo and the PPP did more for the negroes than he did for the coolies. Negroes were not completely locked out from the PPP. Coolies were locked out more than negroes, that is why Jagdeo had so many coolie enemies. When the PPP was in power and I visited Guyana to conduct my mother's business, I dealt mostly with negroes. They had it good then too. If the PPP was to fire them like the PNC did to the coolies, riots would have ensued.

crudely perfumed racist vomit from the man who deploys "negroes" and other variants like "negras" because the THE other word is banned

Listen to this negro KKK.

Ease up with dem words banna...you crossing the line here...

Baseman posted:

Drugb posted:

DJ tun the morality police on gNI, despite limitations on education. 

When people go after you for shit dunking, don't complain!

One of the reasons he is so stupid, had to be at the lower grade level whatever higher institutions attended. Never seen an individual claimed to attend higher institutions behaves like a moron.

I have present many views here, which you can't match with a rebuttal. Is that eating you up ???

VishMahabir posted:

skeldon_man posted:

ronan posted:

skeldon_man posted:

Jagdeo and the PPP did more for the negroes than he did for the coolies. Negroes were not completely locked out from the PPP. Coolies were locked out more than negroes, that is why Jagdeo had so many coolie enemies. When the PPP was in power and I visited Guyana to conduct my mother's business, I dealt mostly with negroes. They had it good then too. If the PPP was to fire them like the PNC did to the coolies, riots would have ensued.

crudely perfumed racist vomit from the man who deploys "negroes" and other variants like "negras" because the THE other word is banned

Listen to this negro KKK.

Ease up with dem words banna...you crossing the line here...

If admin says it is not acceptable, I will cease from using it.

skeldon_man posted:

Gilbakka posted:

@Former Member

There's no gain morally or financially in insisting on the "negroes" usage. Cease, please. Friendly advice.

When they stop using the Indian KKK, I will cease calling them negroes.

Indian KKK exist. Yugi is a perfect example.

Baseman posted:

Drugb posted:

DJ tun the morality police on gNI, despite limitations on education. 

When people go after you for shit dunking, don't complain!

Please, by his own admission right here on this forum. Did I ever admit to any of the shyte you people peddle about me? Never, yet you persist with personal attacks. 

Drugb posted:

Baseman posted:

Drugb posted:

DJ tun the morality police on gNI, despite limitations on education. 

When people go after you for shit dunking, don't complain!

Please, by his own admission right here on this forum. Did I ever admit to any of the shyte you people peddle about me? Never, yet you persist with personal attacks. 

Show where i have admitted that.

You tried that bullcrap for a long while, due to your  intellectual impotence rebutting any of my posts.

Drugb posted:

Baseman posted:

Drugb posted:

DJ tun the morality police on gNI, despite limitations on education. 

When people go after you for shit dunking, don't complain!

Please, by his own admission right here on this forum. Did I ever admit to any of the shyte you people peddle about me? Never, yet you persist with personal attacks. 

You deny that you are you. LHM. 

i actually believe that Skeldon_man and other bigots should be allowed to post whatever racist vileness they feel comfortable with

sunshine is my policy

it then becomes the 'conscience' problem of their comrades and Admin/the owners of this site to deal with