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The cry to scrap Anti – Buggery Laws is a ‘storm in a teacup’ – PPP’s Manzoor Nadir

June 22, 2014 11:00 amCategory: latest newsA+ / A-

By Kurt Campbell

Manzoor Nadir [R) Beverly Alert (L)

Manzoor Nadir (R) Beverly Alert (L)

 

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People’s Progressive Party Civic (PPP/C) Parliamentarian Manzoor Nadir says while he will vote to scrap anti – buggery laws if the need arises, the cry from the minority community in Guyana for the removal of such policies from the Constitution is “making a mountain out of a mole hill.”

Speaking on the Radio Programme ‘Hard Talk’ on 90.1 Love FM, Nadir said “the whole debate is something this society don’t need right now, it’s been happening for centuries and even though the law is on our books it remains a personal issue and whatever happens between two consenting adults is their business. This national outcry for change is an agenda by other people.

“People make a lot of money and create a lot of jobs by creating these storms in a tea cup.”

Nadir reasoned that while anti – buggery laws occupy Guyana’s constitution and may encourage discrimination and fear, it is not being enforced and only when it is enforced, prompting discrimination, then such an outcry may be warranted.

But this reasoning was rejected by Alliance or Change (AFC) Executive Member Beverly Alert.

“I disagree. It is not making a mountain out of a molehill. In actuality many persons cannot live freely or practice their sexual orientation freely. Even though it’s a small population they are still Guyanese and as lawmakers we have a responsibility to address discriminatory laws. This is no less an important matter.”

In his rebuttal, Nadir further argued that changing the laws was not top priority, adding that it will not stop prejudice. He said more statistics need to be provided on cases of discrimination.

“People say many people but I’m a man that deals with facts, provide statistics to show that it is a very serious issue.”

On this note, Alert registered her concern that any one incident that infringes on anyone’s rights is one too many as she sighted cases where persons refused to make complaints to the police because of the existing laws that are used as tools of intimidation.

However, Nadir maintains that if Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual or Transgender (LGBT) persons are discriminated against because of their sexual orientation, especially with violent attacks, then they should make official reports to the Police so these issues can be addressed.

“Let them make complaints officially… I like to deal with facts and not perception … I will be the first to agree that any infringement of human rights even if it’s one is wrong.”

To this end, Alert, who claimed that her Party has been receiving several complaints of discrimination in accessing work and medical care, inquired from Nadir “what about a proactive approach?”

But Nadir was unrelenting in his position, reiterating that “people have to get out of fear mode and make these complains… it is the instances of hard facts that changes everything.”

Alert pointed out that some human Rights are given top priority while others are neglected and that shouldn’t be.

“We can’t uphold one set and don’t look at another set… they are all equally important.”

But Nadir is adamant that the Guyanese society is very tolerant and the issue of removing the anti – buggery laws in not top priority at the moment. He made it clear that it was his personal view and not the view of the Party he represents.

Currently, buggery in Guyana is illegal and punishable by a maximum penalty of life in imprisonment. There are also laws against cross dressing.

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" it remains a personal issue and whatever happens between two consenting adults is their business".

What happens IF your son or daughter was a homosexual? Would you still have the same opinion? This earth is not only for hetrosexuals. Once they don't harass anyone, leave them alone. I do not condone homosexuality, but I donot condemn it either.

FM
Originally Posted by skeldon_man:

" it remains a personal issue and whatever happens between two consenting adults is their business".

What happens IF your son or daughter was a homosexual? Would you still have the same opinion? This earth is not only for hetrosexuals. Once they don't harass anyone, leave them alone. I do not condone homosexuality, but I donot condemn it either.

i see the fool is getting wiser with age

FM

Lets say what is obvious, Manzoor Nadir is an ass. If one person is inconvenienced unnecessarily by unfair regulation it is s serious problem. The bloody regulation is unfair.

 

This fellow does not care. I have already written him off as one of the most opportunistic creep in the PPP cabal. This is one of those who became fat on the drippings from the PPP roast of the state. Is not his daughter on that corrupt org NICIL? Why ask for fairness from him. Just for the hell of it I will forward this to the LGBT lobby here. At least this ******* will be on their radar.

 

The facts are they are ignored when they complain and they are by law criminals...get real you insensitive, ignorant, backward, corrupt creature

FM
Originally Posted by Stormborn:

Lets say what is obvious, Manzoor Nadir is an ass. If one person is inconvenienced unnecessarily by unfair regulation it is s serious problem. The bloody regulation is unfair.

 

This fellow does not care. I have already written him off as one of the most opportunistic creep in the PPP cabal. This is one of those who became fat on the drippings from the PPP roast of the state. Is not his daughter on that corrupt org NICIL? Why ask for fairness from him. Just for the hell of it I will forward this to the LGBT lobby here. At least this ******* will be on their radar.

 

The facts are they are ignored when they complain and they are by law criminals...get real you insensitive, ignorant, backward, corrupt creature

before Manzoor join the ppp  soup bowl,he was bankrupt two yrs after joining ali baba gang he build a huge house in eccles   

FM

Homophobia is the problem we must change in our society, not homosexuals

 

Dear Editor,

In a letter in Kaieteur News on December 29, 2012 titled `Let’s help our Devons’ penned by Dr Sewnauth Punalall, I was disheartened to read his attempt to manipulate a shocking case of murder to launch an offensive attack on our Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender (LGBT) Guyanese sisters and brothers.  I address my Alliance For Change (AFC) colleague, Dr Punalall, because I find some of the language in his letter having the potential to incite hate against a minority group in our society who are already stigmatised.  In his letter he used phrases such as “sinful or a perverted lifestyle,” “devil’s language,” and even went on to suggest that homosexuals are abusive and homosexuality is indefensible, though Dr Punalall provided no real evidence to support his positions.

Dr Punalall pointed out that “a study in the Journal of Interpersonal Violence reveals that 90% of homosexuals surveyed had been recipients of one or more acts of verbal aggression, and 31% report one or more incidents of physical abuse.  Archives of General Psychiatry (Ibid) found that homosexuals are at greater risk for overall mental health problems, and are 6.5 % more likely to attempt suicide.  The cited data demonstrates that targeted violence toward homosexuals is common in many societies because of the high social stigma, which often manifests itself in some of the very inflammatory language Dr Punalall has used to describe our LGBT Guyanese sisters and brothers.

Now since discriminatory laws are still on the books in Guyana and there is widespread perception of LGBT persons being “sinful and perverted,” they do experience “acts of verbal aggression” and “physical abuse.”  LGBT youth, in particular, suffer rejection by their families when they reveal their true identities and sometimes find themselves homeless, or in other ways rejected by their families. This kind of discriminatory treatment leads to the mental health issues and suicides, which Dr Punalall highlights.

The issue here is homophobic behaviour which continues to have severe effects on LGBT persons.  If heterosexuals experienced the everyday discrimination faced by LGBT people, they too would develop mental health problems, including suicide.  In fact, wherever Africans and Indigenous Peoples suffer discrimination it is followed by health and social problems.  Homophobia, therefore, is the problem we must change in our society, not homosexuals.  Every Guyanese is entitled to fair and equal treatment under law, and in their daily lives.

Laws criminalizing same-sex intimacy and cross-dressing play a large part in fuelling discrimination against LGBT Guyanese.  This is according to a seminal study titled “Collateral Damage: The Social Impact of Laws Affecting LGBT Persons in Guyana” conducted by Dr Christopher Carrico and published by the University of the West Indies in March 2012.  Dr Carrico states that “in the context of Guyanese society, the existence of the laws examined in this study creates conditions conducive to the violation of all of these basic rights for the LGBT community.  While there would, no doubt, continue to be many sources of homophobia in society even without the existence of these laws, the repeal of these laws would go a long way towards the securing of fundamental rights for LGBT citizens in Guyana.”

I would therefore like to take this opportunity to urge the Special Select Committee of the National Assembly tasked with holding consultations on these matters to take an objective approach and review the striking evidence that discrimination against LGBT Guyanese is undeniable and recommend that these discriminatory laws which perpetuate stigma and fuel discrimination are repealed forthwith.

To my AFC colleague, Dr Punalall, I say our personal and religious views should never be the reason for us to ridicule and exclude people and treat them like lesser human beings.  In a modern, plural society like Guyana we must afford equal rights and protection to all – especially those who are historically disadvantaged and face discrimination on a regular basis.  The sexual orientations and gender identities of our Guyanese LGBT sisters and brothers do not come into question when they show up at the polls to vote for any political party.  In the same way, they deserve to live freely every other day.

Moreover, at this time when we are faced with a corrupt and unaccountable PPP regime that exploits the fears and insecurities of its ethnic base in its quest for total power, we ought not to be picking battles amongst ourselves.  As one people, regardless of our individual persuasions, we must unite to confront and banish the ugliness that has stained our land for the past 60 years, from the time of the suspension of the Constitution in 1953.

Yours faithfully, Gerhard Ramsaroop

 

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