The answer is closer than you think, just take a look in the mirror. 

Drugb posted:

Stormborn posted:

" Consider the alternative and America probably won't be as powerful as it is"!!!!

We only need to look at the African continent to measure the veracity of this statement. 

Druggie displaying his usual racism, joining baseman.

Druggie try as hard as you like but the vast majority of whites consider you to be an inferior man with a pagan religion.

Feel free to continue your white worshiping.

caribny posted:

Drugb posted:

Stormborn posted:

" Consider the alternative and America probably won't be as powerful as it is"!!!!

We only need to look at the African continent to measure the veracity of this statement. 

Druggie displaying his usual racism, joining baseman.

Druggie try as hard as you like but the vast majority of whites consider you to be an inferior man with a pagan religion.

Feel free to continue your white worshiping.

Eh Eh !

Look na, dem man Carib is back. Welcome back.

Hope you stop your racism towards Indos. You can do a lot better than your past behaviour since you are bright chap.

baseman posted:

redux posted:

Drugb posted:

Apparently speaking the obvious seems to make one a bigot. Don't blame the messenger,  see for yourself. Even Justice Scalia recognized the lesser intellectual performance of Blacks, suggesting that they would do better in lower track schools.  

No doubt Blacks have paved the way for the rest of us, however this is not the issue, paving the way via protest and sacrifice and leadership roles in business are two different skill sets. Blacks have reaped a windfall in entertainment and sports but have consistently lagged behind in academics. I am not here to address the reason but rather to state the statistics. 

b_gurd one, what on earth do you mean by the "lesser intellectual performance" of "Blacks" ?

further, what does all this have to do with "Africa" and , for that matter, "INDIANS" and India?

better yet . . . GUYANA!!!!

hmmmmmmmmmmm??

Maybe he referring to this?  Scalia was commenting on those getting in based on quota and not merit!  I'm sure it was not all, but the "some" to which he as referring!

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/nb...ack-students-n478681

needless to say, i am thoroughly acquainted with Scalia's comments and his thinking

my post was an interrogation of drugb . . . he is a big man; no need for him to hide like a lil gurl behind the dead man's corpse

now, baseman, if u feel so compelled  . . . i placed everything in context; let's hear from u

redux posted:

Drugb posted:

Apparently speaking the obvious seems to make one a bigot. Don't blame the messenger,  see for yourself. Even Justice Scalia recognized the lesser intellectual performance of Blacks, suggesting that they would do better in lower track schools.  

No doubt Blacks have paved the way for the rest of us, however this is not the issue, paving the way via protest and sacrifice and leadership roles in business are two different skill sets. Blacks have reaped a windfall in entertainment and sports but have consistently lagged behind in academics. I am not here to address the reason but rather to state the statistics. 

b_gurd one, what on earth do you mean by the "lesser intellectual performance" of "Blacks" ?

further, what does all this have to do with "Africa" and , for that matter, "INDIANS" and India?

better yet . . . GUYANA!!!!

hmmmmmmmmmmm??

Forgive druggie. He knows that he is an inferior person, and wishes to find others who he can feel superior to.  Sad man refusing to understand that Indo Guyanese perform no better than Afro Caribbean people, in fact Guyanese have HIGHER drop out rates than Jamaicans in NYC, based on NYC stats. 

Unless he is able to prove that Guyanese blacks do worse than their fellow Afro Caribbean counterparts, clearly it suggests that Indo Guyanese are now way in a position to boast about their educational performance in NYC.

redux posted:

baseman posted:

redux posted:

Drugb posted:

Apparently speaking the obvious seems to make one a bigot. Don't blame the messenger,  see for yourself. Even Justice Scalia recognized the lesser intellectual performance of Blacks, suggesting that they would do better in lower track schools.  

No doubt Blacks have paved the way for the rest of us, however this is not the issue, paving the way via protest and sacrifice and leadership roles in business are two different skill sets. Blacks have reaped a windfall in entertainment and sports but have consistently lagged behind in academics. I am not here to address the reason but rather to state the statistics. 

b_gurd one, what on earth do you mean by the "lesser intellectual performance" of "Blacks" ?

further, what does all this have to do with "Africa" and , for that matter, "INDIANS" and India?

better yet . . . GUYANA!!!!

hmmmmmmmmmmm??

Maybe he referring to this?  Scalia was commenting on those getting in based on quota and not merit!  I'm sure it was not all, but the "some" to which he as referring!

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/nb...ack-students-n478681

needless to say, i am thoroughly acquainted with Scalia's comments and his thinking

my post was an interrogation of drugb . . . he is a big man; no need for him to hide like a lil gurl behind the dead man's corpse

now, baseman, if u feel so compelled  . . . i placed everything in context; let's hear from u

Baseman supports the essence of the Scalia comment!!

caribny posted:

redux posted:

Drugb posted:

Apparently speaking the obvious seems to make one a bigot. Don't blame the messenger,  see for yourself. Even Justice Scalia recognized the lesser intellectual performance of Blacks, suggesting that they would do better in lower track schools.  

No doubt Blacks have paved the way for the rest of us, however this is not the issue, paving the way via protest and sacrifice and leadership roles in business are two different skill sets. Blacks have reaped a windfall in entertainment and sports but have consistently lagged behind in academics. I am not here to address the reason but rather to state the statistics. 

b_gurd one, what on earth do you mean by the "lesser intellectual performance" of "Blacks" ?

further, what does all this have to do with "Africa" and , for that matter, "INDIANS" and India?

better yet . . . GUYANA!!!!

hmmmmmmmmmmm??

Forgive druggie. He knows that he is an inferior person, and wishes to find others who he can feel superior to.  Sad man refusing to understand that Indo Guyanese perform no better than Afro Caribbean people, in fact Guyanese have HIGHER drop out rates than Jamaicans in NYC, based on NYC stats. 

Unless he is able to prove that Guyanese blacks do worse than their fellow Afro Caribbean counterparts, clearly it suggests that Indo Guyanese are now way in a position to boast about their educational performance in NYC.

Guyanese Blacks actually do well here, at least the 1st generation.  And this is true of all immigrants!!

Drugb posted:

antabanta posted:

Drugb posted:

Stormborn posted:

" Consider the alternative and America probably won't be as powerful as it is"!!!!

We only need to look at the African continent to measure the veracity of this statement. 

What about the Indian sub-continent?

They are a nuclear power, and have produced many of the best and brightest engineers/scientists/doctors. In fact Indian despite its ills of overpopulation and large number of people in poverty, is doing remarkably well. Can you say the same of the African subcontinent? 

There is no African subcontinent. How is it possible to describe a community as doing "remarkably well" in the same sentence stating there is a "large number of people in poverty?" Do you have any idea how many of the best and brightest engineers/scientists/doctors are black?

You words are from pure ignorance and bigotry.

baseman posted:

redux posted:

baseman posted:

redux posted:

Drugb posted:

Apparently speaking the obvious seems to make one a bigot. Don't blame the messenger,  see for yourself. Even Justice Scalia recognized the lesser intellectual performance of Blacks, suggesting that they would do better in lower track schools.  

No doubt Blacks have paved the way for the rest of us, however this is not the issue, paving the way via protest and sacrifice and leadership roles in business are two different skill sets. Blacks have reaped a windfall in entertainment and sports but have consistently lagged behind in academics. I am not here to address the reason but rather to state the statistics. 

b_gurd one, what on earth do you mean by the "lesser intellectual performance" of "Blacks" ?

further, what does all this have to do with "Africa" and , for that matter, "INDIANS" and India?

better yet . . . GUYANA!!!!

hmmmmmmmmmmm??

Maybe he referring to this?  Scalia was commenting on those getting in based on quota and not merit!  I'm sure it was not all, but the "some" to which he as referring!

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/nb...ack-students-n478681

needless to say, i am thoroughly acquainted with Scalia's comments and his thinking

my post was an interrogation of drugb . . . he is a big man; no need for him to hide like a lil gurl behind the dead man's corpse

now, baseman, if u feel so compelled  . . . i placed everything in context; let's hear from u

Baseman supports the essence of the Scalia comment!!

No doubt you would. No one was ever keen on the idea you would grasp the odium of the comment given your lack of the requisite processing power.

Drugb posted:

antabanta posted:

Drugb posted:

Stormborn posted:

" Consider the alternative and America probably won't be as powerful as it is"!!!!

We only need to look at the African continent to measure the veracity of this statement. 

What about the Indian sub-continent?

They are a nuclear power, and have produced many of the best and brightest engineers/scientists/doctors. In fact Indian despite its ills of overpopulation and large number of people in poverty, is doing remarkably well. Can you say the same of the African subcontinent? 

baseman posted:

Stormborn posted:

baseman posted:

Baseman supports the essence of the Scalia comment!!

No doubt you would. No one was ever keen on the idea you would grasp the odium of the comment given your lack of the requisite processing power.

Well, coming from the perennial resident drunken Arawak, I take that as a complement!!

I would be drunk in your imagination. It is such a pitiful place. It is no compliment. You are a shallow man.

baseman posted:

Stormborn posted:

baseman posted:

Stormborn posted:

baseman posted:

Baseman supports the essence of the Scalia comment!!

No doubt you would. No one was ever keen on the idea you would grasp the odium of the comment given your lack of the requisite processing power.

Well, coming from the perennial resident drunken Arawak, I take that as a complement!!

I would be drunk in your imagination. It is such a pitiful place. It is no compliment. You are a shallow man.

You are "South of Daft" man, far South!!!

 And you are standing on the south pole! You cannot win dude...I am north of you.

baseman posted:

 

Baseman supports the essence of the Scalia comment!!

Note that Scalia didn't say that those blacks who lacked the ability to go to top rated schools, should go to places more fitting with their abilities.

He said that blacks should go to places more fitting of their capabilities.

Now we do know that Scalia was a racist and the fact that you agree with him suggests that you are too. Yes you and druggie!

baseman posted:

 

Guyanese Blacks actually do well here, at least the 1st generation.  And this is true of all immigrants!!

Yes because they are black, you and Scalia would want them to go to low rated schools, because that is what he said. 

He didn't say that Caribbean blacks and American blacks should be treated different.

He didn't say that the Obama kids and an illiterate ghetto kid should be seen as different.

No he didn't get into the complexities of the black population.

He said black, because like you, and druggie, he defines blacks by the worst of the lot.

yuji22 posted:

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Hope you stop your racism towards Indos. You can do a lot better than your past behaviour since you are bright chap.

Saying that an ideology of "blackman a kill ahbe", "blackman bad, Indos good" is NOT racist. You have never been able to describe what it is that I say is racist, given that I do NOT claim that Africans are immune from racism towards Indians, and that Indians haven't suffered as a result.

I suggest that you go read comments made by others, as they responded to my banning, which was NOT because of my comment about Nehru.

Even then NONE of you were able to articulate what I say that is racist.  Your rage is because I refuse to let you all get away putting 100% of the blame on blacks.  And I also remind you that many rural Indians (especially Hindus) are quite ethnocentric (clannish) and there is no place for this behavior in a country where no group exceeds 40% of the population.

baseman posted:

 

The time of allotments in University/colleges is long past.  Everyone should compete on merit, not race, plain and simple!!  Blacks are no different and they do possess the aptitude to compete with anyone!!

Interesting that the same GOP, which ensures that inner city schools are starved of resources, then scream when even the best of these schools cannot compete.

Raw affirmative action into colleges ended long ago. One cannot get into college by virtue of being black. 

And don't pull out the average SAT scores either, as legacy kids (almost al white) and white athletes score worse than average blacks.

The GOP continues to encourage mediocre whites with this nonsense, instead of dealing with the increasing difficulties faced by poorer whites, which increasingly mirror those of poorer blacks.

They encouraged a culture of racial resentment, telling them that blacks, Hispanics and "furriners" were getting favored treatment. This as they closed down plants and ensured that real wages have declined, all due to decisions made by rich white men.

So poor white men vote for a rich white legacy kid. A spoiled brat who only succeeded because his daddy gave him a platinum spoon.

baseman posted:

caribny posted:

baseman posted:

 

The time of allotments in University/colleges is long past.  Everyone should compete on merit, not race, plain and simple!!  Blacks are no different and they do possess the aptitude to compete with anyone!!

Interesting that the same GOP, which ensures that inner city schools are starved of resources, then scream when even the best of these schools cannot compete.

This is why they are pushing for more State control.  So you don't have to blame the Federal govt.  Schools are generally not as unequal as in the past.

I have a few relatives lived in, and kids attend, so-called mediocre school districts. The kids all went from these "looked-down upon schools" off to good colleges and Uni.  In fact, one just got admitted to MIT and started last Sept.

I agree that school makes a difference, but too much blame is placed there.  If a kid has the aptitude and willingness to do well and parents take the interest, they will do well.  This goes for anyone!!

Stop always blaming the system and others out there in the ether!!

Good systems are what make things work. The idea of relying on good humans to produce a standard product is a rubes goldberg solution in our modern welfare state. You blame the system everywhere else in your life but yet here you want to blame the parent. Sociology 101 tells you that it is peer group that contribute most to defining identity. School systems and the atmosphere they create formalizes the status of peer groups here. Good schools produce good students and that is more than a rule of thumb. That is why most of you here yap about the quality of an ivy league education.

caribny posted:

baseman posted:

 

Baseman supports the essence of the Scalia comment!!

Note that Scalia didn't say that those blacks who lacked the ability to go to top rated schools, should go to places more fitting with their abilities.

He said that blacks should go to places more fitting of their capabilities.

Now we do know that Scalia was a racist and the fact that you agree with him suggests that you are too. Yes you and druggie!

Dem not only racist dem also stupid. Imagine these guys backing someone who is against anyone darker than he. Trump and Scalia would lump these fellas into the same group as those wearing indoor outdoor rugs on their heads.

baseman posted:

Stormborn posted:

baseman posted:

This is why they are pushing for more State control.  So you don't have to blame the Federal govt.  Schools are generally not as unequal as in the past.

I have a few relatives lived in, and kids attend, so-called mediocre school districts. The kids all went from these "looked-down upon schools" off to good colleges and Uni.  In fact, one just got admitted to MIT and started last Sept.

I agree that school makes a difference, but too much blame is placed there.  If a kid has the aptitude and willingness to do well and parents take the interest, they will do well.  This goes for anyone!!

Stop always blaming the system and others out there in the ether!!

Good systems are what make things work. The idea of relying on good humans to produce a standard product is a rubes goldberg solution in our modern welfare state. You blame the system everywhere else in your life but yet here you want to blame the parent. Sociology 101 tells you that it is peer group that contribute most to defining identity. School systems and the atmosphere they create formalizes the status of peer groups here. Good schools produce good students and that is more than a rule of thumb. That is why most of you here yap about the quality of an ivy league education.

You don't need an education, you need a shrink!!  You talk so much non-stop that your brain must run dry from the draft!!

When contradicted you come up with these inane responses. I will be here when you take off on Granger for the education of  Guyanese kids because lacking intervention promptly we are incubating a bunch of morons there. Then your racism will see the failings of a system but here because your selective racist persona is in full turbo mode you want to blame black people as poor parents when their kids fail. As I said on many occasions, you are just a mediocre jerk who use this forum as a means of selling your racist poison.

baseman posted:

cain posted:

caribny posted:

Note that Scalia didn't say that those blacks who lacked the ability to go to top rated schools, should go to places more fitting with their abilities.

He said that blacks should go to places more fitting of their capabilities.

Now we do know that Scalia was a racist and the fact that you agree with him suggests that you are too. Yes you and druggie!

Dem not only racist dem also stupid. Imagine these guys backing someone who is against anyone darker than he. Trump and Scalia would lump these fellas into the same group as those wearing indoor outdoor rugs on their heads.

Are you saying that the color of one's skin should be the deciding factor?  And you calling out people on Race!!

You are a racist!!

You see things whoever you wish to. It is plain what I meant about you guys throwing your support behind a white supreme racist, that's all.

baseman posted:

Stormborn posted:

baseman posted:

You don't need an education, you need a shrink!!  You talk so much non-stop that your brain must run dry from the draft!!

.... you want to blame black people as poor parents when their kids fail....

Stop lying, where did I blame Black parents?  In fact, I know and admire many Afro Guyanese/WIs who hold a tight rein on their kids here and the kids do very well.

And kids from very good homes also don't always do well.  Sometimes even within a family, some do better than others.  That is an issue for all races.  As I said, it's a combo of several factors, parenting being only one!!

 

You  got browbeaten into writing something sane...This is the kind of jaraying ( albeit with words) you bigots need to come to your senses. You have the saving grace of admitting your faults so there is hope for you. The others....not so much....

baseman posted:

 

This is why they are pushing for more State control.  So !!

Tell you what.  The schools in NYC are run by De Blasio and Cuomo.  Really what control does Obama have over them. 

In fact NY sends way more tax dollars to the Feds then they get back, and yet the GOP ensures that NYC is starved of the funds that it needs to run proper schools. Their mantra is vouchers.  They don't even fund these voucher schools, so even if kids wanted to attend these schools there aren't enough spaces for them.

baseman posted:

.  If a kid has the aptitude and willingness to do well and parents take the interest, they will do well.  This goes for anyone!!

 

Clearly personal attributes and parental involvement are key, but how can a bright kid compete when there are no AP classes, no equipment and the worst teachers in the system?

The cannot compete to get the grades to get to the Ivies, because the attitude that this country has to blacks is that they are worth nothing, and so no resources should be used to help them.

In fact you peddle the same rant in Guyana with Linden.

So yes if skin color determines one's access to opportunity, than clearly race remains an issue.

When racist like you roam this earth, damning blacks as lazy, criminal and useless, unless they have the opportunity to prove otherwise, they need to have the best credentials to offset these perceptions.

You cannot walk away from the fact race still remains an issue in this country, especially for the black middle class.

Do white parents have to fear that the police might shoot their son?  Well upper middle class black parents have this fear, and have experienced enough to know that this isn't irrational!

?  In fact, I know and admire many Afro Guyanese/WIs who hold a tight rein on their kids here and the kids do very well.

 

If you weren't such a racist you would know that many upper middle class American blacks have the same goals.

And in fact ALL have to school their sons in what to do if they encounter a cop at night. This why these kids do NOT engage in the drugs or binge drinking that their white peers would.

And these parents will also tell you of the unceasing battles that they must fight to ensure that their sons, especially, are treated fairly by school systems.

Stormborn posted:

 

You  got browbeaten into writing something sane...This is the kind of jaraying ( albeit with words) you bigots need to come to your senses. You have the saving grace of admitting your faults so there is hope for you. The others....not so much....

Yes now that there are more of us to deal with these idiots, they are gradually being put back into their cages.

caribny posted:

Stormborn posted:

 

You  got browbeaten into writing something sane...This is the kind of jaraying ( albeit with words) you bigots need to come to your senses. You have the saving grace of admitting your faults so there is hope for you. The others....not so much....

Yes now that there are more of us to deal with these idiots, they are gradually being put back into their cages.

Boy, you swinging from limb to limb here!!

caribny posted:

?  In fact, I know and admire many Afro Guyanese/WIs who hold a tight rein on their kids here and the kids do very well.

 

If you weren't such a racist you would know that many upper middle class American blacks have the same goals.

I actually was limiting my comment to the immigrant community.  Yes, many Afros/Blacks, middle and otherwise class do have the same aspirations for their kids!!  But when it does not work, don't blame society, whites, Asians and others.  Sometimes, it's the luck of the draw!!

baseman posted:

Afros are equally competitive in this space and need no preferential treatment. 

Scalia stated that it is better for blacks to go to inferior schools suitable to their capabilities. 

Note that he didn't say the same for Hispanics, or for white legacy kids, or increasingly for working class white males, ALL of whom have lower SAT scores than white females and Asians.

You jumped to support him because he represented your views that blacks are inferior, and useless.

Now that you are back in your cage, you pretend to say otherwise.  No wonder you like Trump, who had to be brought kicking and screaming to disavow Duke's endorsement, and only because the rest of his party have decided that this becomes a good way to get rid of him.

baseman posted:

caribny posted:

baseman posted:

 

This is why they are pushing for more State control.  So !!

Tell you what.  The schools in NYC are run by De Blasio and Cuomo.  Really what control does Obama have over them. 

In fact NY sends way more tax dollars to the Feds then they get back, and yet the GOP ensures that NYC is starved of the funds that it needs to run proper schools. Their mantra is vouchers.  They don't even fund these voucher schools, so even if kids wanted to attend these schools there aren't enough spaces for them.

I will not argue the details or merits of what you write, but, as I said, this is where the issue needs to be addressed. 

And the GOP is starving public schools because they prefer to spend their money on tax cuts and defense.

So bright kids, with ambitious parents who live in less affluent communities are condemned to mediocre colleges, which, being less prestigious, cannot shield this blacks from the racism which is to follow. Daily I got calls from black parents who are frantic that their college grad kids seem less able to find work than their white counterparts.

baseman posted:

caribny posted:

baseman posted:

Afros are equally competitive in this space and need no preferential treatment. 

Scalia stated that it is better for blacks to go to inferior schools suitable to their capabilities. 

Note that he didn't say the same for Hispanics, or for white legacy kids, or increasingly for working class white males, ALL of whom have lower SAT scores than white females and Asians.

You jumped to support him because he represented your views that blacks are inferior, and useless.

Now that you are back in your cage, you pretend to say otherwise.  No wonder you like Trump, who had to be brought kicking and screaming to disavow Duke's endorsement, and only because the rest of his party have decided that this becomes a good way to get rid of him.

Nah, he was addressing the issue of being "placed" in an environment where you struggle to compete.  Any Afro and anyone else who get there on plain merit, stand a better chance!

Scalia said blacks belong in slower colleges. END OF STORY!

I went to an Ivy where 10% of the students were black.  They did NOT struggle and all graduated on time!  This was a Master's degree. As far as I know most of them are doing well.

Blacks are presumed to be incompetent and unproductive, as you well know, given that you scream this regularly.  They need the image boost of a high tier school more than do others, even Hispanics.