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WHO IS ISIS OR ISIL

 

How ISIL became a major force with

only a few thousand fighters

Money, efficiency and alliances with local tribes have given the armed group strength despite limited manpower

 

The Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) has lifted itself from obscurity to become the world’s most talked-about armed group, making major advances over the past week to challenge the Baghdad government. The group’s collaboration with local Iraqi tribes and groups opposed to Prime Minister Nour Al-Maliki’s rule β€” along with ISIL’s extensive wealth β€” have helped it flourish with relatively few fighters.

ISIL, with its mix of local and foreign fighters, swiftly took over Iraq’s second-largest city of Mosul and other areas last week while continuing to push closer to Baghdad.

ISIL β€” Sunni collaboration

Analysts estimate the group has about 6,000 to 10,000 fighters operating in Iraq and Syria β€” with only a few hundred involved in the Mosul take-over β€” said Lina Khatib, director of the Carnegie Middle East Center in Beirut. Discontent with Maliki has unified Sunni groups β€” secular and religious β€” in supporting ISIL’s advancements.

β€œISIS (which ISIL is also referred to as) was able to infiltrate Iraqi government ministries and has the support of members of Saddam Hussein's Baath party, the Islamic Front (originally formed in 2004 as a resistance group to the U.S. occupation) and other Sunni groups,” Emran El-Badawi, director of the Arabic program at the University of Houston, said in an email.

The relationship between ISIL β€” an Al-Qaeda breakaway group β€” and other Sunni groups goes back to the beginning of the Iraq war. But in the 2005 surge in Iraq, local tribes with U.S. funding built a coalition (known as the β€œSunni Awakening Movement” or β€œSons of Iraq&rdquo that began combatting Al-Qaeda and other extreme groups to restore security and calm sectarianism. The program met with some success.

"These 90,000 β€˜Sons of Iraq’ made a significant contribution to the reported 90% drop in sectarian violence in 2007-2008," said an op-ed co-written by Derek Harvey, a former senior intelligence official, and Michael Pregent, a former U.S. Army officer and onetime senior intelligence analyst.

But all that changed after U.S. forces withdrew and Maliki refused to integrate the Sunni tribes into the government. Off the payroll and pushed aside, the Sunnis were at a disadvantage and felt abandoned β€” while the Shias had full control of Baghdad and the south, and the Kurds had control of much of the north.

That discontent sparked a months-long sit-in last year outside Ramadi, the capital of Anbar province. Sunnis used the protest to express anger at what they considered second-class treatment and the Shia-led government's crackdown.

After Maliki’s crackdown on the protest, a re-alignment of ISIL and Sunni tribes became evident when they took control of Fallujah, Ramadi, and the rest of Anbar, Iraq’s largest province, in January.

Although ISIL’s brazen take-over of Mosul shocked many with its apparent swiftness, the recent offenses, with support from various Sunni groups, are a continuation of the Anbar assault.

β€œThose groups have been waiting for an opportunity to exact revenge on the Maliki government, which they regard as Shiite-dominated and divisive towards Sunnis,” Khatib said. β€œThe collaboration between tribes and Baathists is not ideological but revolves around a shared interest, which is to push the Maliki government out of power.”

Many Sunni soldiers in the Iraqi army quickly abandoned their posts as they saw that the Baghdad rule was not worth fighting for, giving ISIL’s few fighters the ability to advance without serious battles.

 

FM

Fueled by wealth

In just two years ISIL has become one of the wealthiest armed groups fighting in Iraq and across the border in Syria, where ISIL has gained control of oil wells in the country’s east β€” and ironically sells that oil to the government of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, which ISIL is actively fighting.

ISIL "in addition relies on taxation, ransoms and raids of assets to generate income. The group is now financially independent in both Iraq and Syria,” Khatib said.

In the Mosul offense ISIL took control of the central bank where it gained access to $500 million, bringing the organization’s funds to an estimated $2 billion.The group also gained control of heavy U.S.-made weaponry left behind by Iraq’s army.

Like a Fortune 500 company, ISIL releases detailed β€œannual reports.” But instead of revealing revenue, it lists various attacks, city take-overs and prison-breaks. The report is aimed at potential investors and recruits.

The group's success against Iraq’s Shia-backed government and the Syrian regime has encouraged foreign donors, said Juan Zarate, a former deputy national security advisor for combating terrorism during the George W. Bush administration.

"It's the worst of all worlds: external funding from wealthy outside donors, state sponsorship from across the Persian Gulf, and the ability to raise large amounts of money locally," Zarate said.

FM

The US does not support ISIL in Syria. The US does not supporting the Syrian rebels mainly because they do not have a concerted front.  ISIL cannot get to Baghdad because the face the majority Shia and Iran will be behind them. The US will most likely start using airpower to stop them. There is Resistance to ground troops but the war in Iraq was not won by ground troops. It was won from the air.

FM

ASJ, Iraq is being taken down the path of dissolution into 3 States. I'm not sure that Obama is leaning towards this and that's why he's looking to Maliki's backers in Iran to make him do the US bidding, which is to have an inclusive government.

 

Maliki was a result of Bush's actions to go in to Iraq in the first place. ISIS or ISIL (L for Levant) has an uneasy embrace with the Sunni Baathists that Bush/Bremmer/Maliki shoved to the corner and stripped them of all power. This is another of Obama's cleanup of a Bush mess. The Sunni Baathists themselves are not enamored with ISIS (only less than 10,000 strong) and will kick their asses out soon.

 

In Syria, ISIS and other Al Qaeda forces with foreign Jihadists are duking it out, and that's why there is no need for action against Assad. The US can only take action when the opposition to Assad is unified and nationalist and not terrorists bent on creating an Islamic State in Syria.

 

In Iraq the Kurds would welcome their own State - they have the most organized autonomous State in Mesopotamia (if I can use that word). The Sunni north has the oil fields and the Shiite government as well as Iran would not want a breakup.

 

So ASJ, you see, Obama is doing right by the US now - send in military advisors (200 or 300) and be prepared for aerial strikes. This is just the power of US example Obama is displaying to keep some balance on the battlefield and get Maliki to bring the anti-ISISSunni Baathists into the government. It's that simple. No need to get all worked up like the republicans.

Kari

No one here would agree me. But anyway, I will give my views.

 

That body of land called Syria and Iraq, according to the Bible was known as Babylon, Assyria, Medes and Syria. Later called Mesopatamia and Sumner. The cradle of civilization.

 

The Bible predicts its utter destruction-it will all be rubbles and ruins. From my TV screen, it looks that way. Some may jump to the conclusion that God is to be blamed for the mess. No, He stated what will be the outcome of the evil deeds of men-controlled by the DEVIL. Muslim fanatics, schemes of Paul Wolfervitz, Bush, Tony Blair and Colin Powell. The abhorent way they put Saddam Hussein to death and on a Christmas day-the day Saviour of World was remembered for being born of virgin.  And Bush with Tony Blair recieved or issued the word to kill the man. 

S
Originally Posted by seignet:

No one here would agree me. But anyway, I will give my views.

 

That body of land called Syria and Iraq, according to the Bible was known as Babylon, Assyria, Medes and Syria. Later called Mesopatamia and Sumner. The cradle of civilization.

 

The Bible predicts its utter destruction-it will all be rubbles and ruins. From my TV screen, it looks that way. Some may jump to the conclusion that God is to be blamed for the mess. No, He stated what will be the outcome of the evil deeds of men-controlled by the DEVIL. Muslim fanatics, schemes of Paul Wolfervitz, Bush, Tony Blair and Colin Powell. The abhorent way they put Saddam Hussein to death and on a Christmas day-the day Saviour of World was remembered for being born of virgin.  And Bush with Tony Blair recieved or issued the word to kill the man. 

I have begun to build my ark.......

Kari
Originally Posted by seignet:

No one here would agree me. But anyway, I will give my views.

 

That body of land called Syria and Iraq, according to the Bible was known as Babylon, Assyria, Medes and Syria. Later called Mesopatamia and Sumner. The cradle of civilization.

 

The Bible predicts its utter destruction-it will all be rubbles and ruins. From my TV screen, it looks that way. Some may jump to the conclusion that God is to be blamed for the mess. No, He stated what will be the outcome of the evil deeds of men-controlled by the DEVIL. Muslim fanatics, schemes of Paul Wolfervitz, Bush, Tony Blair and Colin Powell. The abhorent way they put Saddam Hussein to death and on a Christmas day-the day Saviour of World was remembered for being born of virgin.  And Bush with Tony Blair recieved or issued the word to kill the man. 

The biggest mistake was to invade, the compounding mistake was to dissolve the Iraqi military after the invasion.  George Bush was misled by dunces like Colin Powel, Condelessa Rice, and the agents of Mossad and the extreme Right.

FM
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by seignet:

No one here would agree me. But anyway, I will give my views.

 

That body of land called Syria and Iraq, according to the Bible was known as Babylon, Assyria, Medes and Syria. Later called Mesopatamia and Sumner. The cradle of civilization.

 

The Bible predicts its utter destruction-it will all be rubbles and ruins. From my TV screen, it looks that way. Some may jump to the conclusion that God is to be blamed for the mess. No, He stated what will be the outcome of the evil deeds of men-controlled by the DEVIL. Muslim fanatics, schemes of Paul Wolfervitz, Bush, Tony Blair and Colin Powell. The abhorent way they put Saddam Hussein to death and on a Christmas day-the day Saviour of World was remembered for being born of virgin.  And Bush with Tony Blair recieved or issued the word to kill the man. 

The biggest mistake was to invade, the compounding mistake was to dissolve the Iraqi military after the invasion.  George Bush was misled by dunces like Colin Powel, Condelessa Rice, and the agents of Mossad and the extreme Right.

I din want to include the Jewish lobby in Congress. The intentions were to destabilize Saddam Hussein's Iraq. Weaken the state and neutralize Saddam. That way, they think they would be safe. Now, they must be thinking about those madmen running Iraq. Interesting, if one can visualize that region in the period BCE, what u seeing is how they probably were killing-mercilessly. 

 

 

S
Originally Posted by Kari:
Originally Posted by baseman:

The biggest mistake was to invade, the compounding mistake was to dissolve the Iraqi military after the invasion.  George Bush was misled by dunces like Colin Powel, Condelessa Rice, and the agents of Mossad and the extreme Right.

Was it not you who invaded? And said "Mission Accomplished"?

Bai, that banna Colin Powel mis-led us all.

FM
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by seignet:

No one here would agree me. But anyway, I will give my views.

 

That body of land called Syria and Iraq, according to the Bible was known as Babylon, Assyria, Medes and Syria. Later called Mesopatamia and Sumner. The cradle of civilization.

 

The Bible predicts its utter destruction-it will all be rubbles and ruins. From my TV screen, it looks that way. Some may jump to the conclusion that God is to be blamed for the mess. No, He stated what will be the outcome of the evil deeds of men-controlled by the DEVIL. Muslim fanatics, schemes of Paul Wolfervitz, Bush, Tony Blair and Colin Powell. The abhorent way they put Saddam Hussein to death and on a Christmas day-the day Saviour of World was remembered for being born of virgin.  And Bush with Tony Blair recieved or issued the word to kill the man. 

The biggest mistake was to invade, the compounding mistake was to dissolve the Iraqi military after the invasion.  George Bush was misled by dunces like Colin Powel, Condelessa Rice, and the agents of Mossad and the extreme Right.

Let me see...you are the bright one...where the hell did you go to school and what have you accomplished in your life compared to the MS rice and Powell? You are general of your plate of rice!

 

You are also incorrect to say Powell pushed for this war. He was the only one against it and asked for more time for inspectors and the UN mandate. He was overused. Also, he had to make the case for his commander in chief. That was his job even if he did not agree.

 

Ms Rice did agree it was good policy and at her side were the Vice President, Bolton,  Wolfowitz who wrote the Defense Planning Guidance that placed the Bush doctrine firmly in the neoconservative camp. 

 

 

FM

BAGHDAD (AP) - Sunni militants have blitzed through the vast desert of western Iraq, capturing four towns and three border crossings and deepening the predicament of the Shiite-led government in Baghdad led by Nouri al-Maliki.
The latest military victories - including two border posts captured Sunday, one along the frontier with Jordan and the other with Syria - considerably expanded territory under the militants' control just two weeks after the al-Qaida breakaway group began swallowing up chunks of northern Iraq, heightening pressure on al-Maliki to step aside.
The lightening offensive by the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant takes the group closer to its dream of carving out an Islamic state straddling both Syria and Iraq. Moreover, controlling the borders with Syria will help it supply fellow fighters there with weaponry looted from Iraqi warehouses, significantly reinforcing its ability to battle beleaguered Syrian government forces.
If the Sunni insurgents succeed in their quest to secure an enclave, they could further unsettle the already volatile Middle East and serve as a magnet for Jihadists from around the world - much like al-Qaida attracted extremists in Taliban-ruled Afghanistan.
President Barack Obama, in an interview with CBS' "Face the Nation" aired Sunday, warned that the Islamic State could grow in power and destabilize the region. Washington, he said, must remain "vigilant" but would not "play whack-a-mole and send U.S. troops ... wherever these organizations pop up."
U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry, in the Jordanian capital on Sunday, also weighed in. The Islamic State, he warned, is a "threat not only to Iraq, but to the entire region."
The U.S. is looking for ways to work with Middle Eastern nations, most of them led by Sunni governments, to curb the Sunni militant group's growth. Officials in the United States and the Middle East have suggested privately that al-Maliki must leave office before Iraq's Sunnis will believe that their complaints of marginalization by the Shiite-led government in Baghdad will be addressed.
Al-Maliki, in office since 2006, has shown no sign he is willing to step down. However, he has been uncharacteristically silent since Obama and Iraq's top Shiite cleric both urged the prime minister last week to form an inclusive government that promotes the interests of all of Iraq's ethnic and religious groups.
Iraq's newly elected parliament must meet by June 30, when it will elect a speaker and a new president, who, in turn, will ask the leader who enjoys the support of a simple majority in the 328-seat chamber to form a new government. Al-Maliki's State of the Law won 92 seats, more than any other group but not enough to form a government.
The militants' stunning battlefield successes in the north and the west of Iraq have laid bare the inadequacies of the country's U.S.-trained forces and their inability to defend the rapidly shrinking territory they hold. In the north, troops fled in the face of the advancing militants, abandoning their weapons, vehicles and other equipment. In some cases in the west, they pulled out either when the militants approached or when they heard of other towns falling.
The chief military spokesman, Lt. Gen. Qassim al-Moussawi, spoke on Sunday of tactical withdrawals to regroup and prepare to retake what has been lost to the militants.
"We have a very, very serious crisis to deal with," acknowledged a senior government official close to al-Maliki's inner circle. "Up until now, we don't have a plan to retake any territory we lost. We are working on one still."
A top Iraqi military intelligence official was equally blunt, saying the battlefield setbacks in Iraq's restive western Anbar province and the north have given the militants much more freedom of movement and their firepower has dramatically increased.
"Their objective is Baghdad, where we are working frantically to bolster our defenses," said the official. "I will be honest with you, even that is not up to the level of what is needed. Morale is low."
Both officials spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss the sensitive subject.
It is not clear whether Obama's deployment of up to 300 military advisers to retrain Iraqi troops could make a difference or turn things around quickly enough to prevent the militants from digging in and improving their defenses. Obama has also left the door open for airstrikes.
Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, said he was opposed to any U.S. involvement in the Iraqi crisis, accusing Washington of fomenting the unrest. His comments appeared to quash recent speculation that the two rivals might cooperate in addressing the shared threat posed by the Islamic extremists.
"We strongly oppose the intervention of the U.S. and others in the domestic affairs of Iraq," Khamenei, who has the final say over Iran's state policy, was quoted as saying by the IRNA state news agency, in his first reaction to the crisis. "The main dispute in Iraq is between those who want Iraq to join the U.S. camp and those who seek an independent Iraq."
"The U.S. aims to bring its own blind followers to power," said Khamenei, whose Shiite, none-Arab nation has close ties with al-Maliki's government and effectively plays the role of guarantor for Iraq's Shiite political domination. The U.S. has long accused Iran of meddling in Iraq, including organizing and backing Shiite militias following the 2003 invasion.
For now, however, the militants are on a seemingly unstoppable offensive.
On Sunday, their military advances took the conflict in Iraq to the doorstep of Jordan, a key U.S. ally that also borders embattled Syria to its north.
Sunday's capture of crossings bordering Jordan and Syria follows the fall on Friday and Saturday of the towns of Qaim, Rawah, Anah and Rutba, all of which are in Sunni-dominated Anbar province, where the militants have since January controlled the city of Fallujah and parts of the provincial capital, Ramadi.
Rutba is on the main highway from Baghdad to the two border crossings and the capture of the crossing into Jordan has effectively cut the Iraqi capital's main land route to its neighbor. It is a key artery for passengers and goods and has been infrequently used in recent months because of deteriorating security.
The capture of Rawah on the Euphrates River and the nearby town of Anah appeared to be part of a march toward a key dam in the city of Haditha, the destruction of which would damage the country's electrical grid and cause major flooding. The military has dispatched reinforcements to the dam's site to protect it.
In a separate incident in Anbar, twin blasts by a suicide bomber and a car bomb targeted a funeral for a senior army officer, killing eight people and injuring 13, police and hospital officials said. The attack near the provincial capital of Ramadi hit the funeral of Brig. Gen. Abdul-Majid al-Fahdawi, who was killed by a mortar shell in Qaim on the Syrian border on Friday.
In other violence, Sunni militants in control of a small northern town handed over the decomposing bodies of 15 Shiites to authorities in the northern city of Kirkuk, according to the city's deputy police chief, Maj. Gen. Torhan Abdul-Rahman Youssef.
Residents of the town of Besher said the Shiites were hung from street lights and a water tank for days. The circumstances of their deaths were not immediately known and the residents requested anonymity for fear of reprisals.

 

FM
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by seignet:

No one here would agree me. But anyway, I will give my views.

 

That body of land called Syria and Iraq, according to the Bible was known as Babylon, Assyria, Medes and Syria. Later called Mesopatamia and Sumner. The cradle of civilization.

 

The Bible predicts its utter destruction-it will all be rubbles and ruins. From my TV screen, it looks that way. Some may jump to the conclusion that God is to be blamed for the mess. No, He stated what will be the outcome of the evil deeds of men-controlled by the DEVIL. Muslim fanatics, schemes of Paul Wolfervitz, Bush, Tony Blair and Colin Powell. The abhorent way they put Saddam Hussein to death and on a Christmas day-the day Saviour of World was remembered for being born of virgin.  And Bush with Tony Blair recieved or issued the word to kill the man. 

The biggest mistake was to invade, the compounding mistake was to dissolve the Iraqi military after the invasion.  George Bush was misled by dunces like Colin Powel, Condelessa Rice, and the agents of Mossad and the extreme Right.

Let me see...you are the bright one...where the hell did you go to school and what have you accomplished in your life compared to the MS rice and Powell? You are general of your plate of rice!

 

You are also incorrect to say Powell pushed for this war. He was the only one against it and asked for more time for inspectors and the UN mandate. He was overused. Also, he had to make the case for his commander in chief. That was his job even if he did not agree.

 

Ms Rice did agree it was good policy and at her side were the Vice President, Bolton,  Wolfowitz who wrote the Defense Planning Guidance that placed the Bush doctrine firmly in the neoconservative camp. 

 

 

The situation in Iraq shows the Bush Administration was given incorrect information-on which they based their decision making. Educated as those ppl were, and I might add more educated than the White ppl who sat around the table with them. And yet their brilliance couldn't convince the white ppl that they knew better. Of the oncoming catastrophe. Present today.

 

Education doesn't necessarily make a person bright.  

S

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