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THE MORE THINGS CHANGE…

As the nation prepares for Local Government Elections scheduled for later this year, there are concerns being expressed with respect to free and fair elections. It’s not surprising, Guyana has a chequered history in this regard and the two major parties have fed the endless scepticism.

 

The free world sees the United States as the bastion of democracy, with free and fair elections as its central feature and an enduring symbol. For that reason, many were appalled at the claim by Donald Trump, that elements of the US elections were exposed to rigging. He has not provided any evidence to support his claim. It seems like a baseless allegation.Elections in the United States have always been followed closely by other nations, largely because, among other reasons, they feel they have a vested interest in the outcome. America is regarded as the undisputed leader of the free world, and while it is not perfect, its democracy is accepted as the standard by which every other country is judged.


It is important for Guyana to understand this concept because of its painful experience with a flawed electoral system, highlighted in the not too distant past by racial voting, rigged elections and political unrest.So if the so-called standard bearer of democracy and the most powerful nation on earth—the United States of America—could have accusations of vote rigging, what would make us believe that our electoral system would not?Given significant improvements made in recent years, one could say the PPP’s accusation that the last election was rigged to allow the coalition parties to win by a razor-thin parliamentary majority is essentially without merit.

That claim was not substantiated by the Elections Commission. It also begs the question as to how it would have been possible for the opposition to rig any election when the incumbent had control of the election apparatus for almost two and a half decades. Why would the opposition have not rigged the election before, if success would have been assured? The argument/complaint just doesn’t make any sense in the grand scheme of things.


Complaints about election rigging in Guyana by the PPP is nothing new; it spanned several decades. While the British fiddled with the Constitution for the 1964 elections to be held under proportional representation and not first-past-the-post, there was no claim that the elections held in 1964 had been rigged. Nor was there any such claim in relation to the previous elections held in 1953, 1957 and 1961, all won by the PPP. It is alleged by the PPP that the rigging of elections in Guyana began in 1968 and lasted through 1985.With that in mind, it is quite surprising that not much was done by the PPP administration which was in power for 23 years, or has been done by this currently three-year-old government, to erase any possibility of illegal practices in the voting process.It is known that the two major races have been swayed primarily by racial considerations in their voting patterns. It began in the 1950s and remains intense and enduring today, as both races refuse to shed their sometimes blind loyalty to their respective parties. Many people believe that racial voting is undermining our democracy more than the rigging of elections.


In conclusion, it can be safely assumed that despite what we may consider have been meaningful changes in the system, the loser of any election in the future will inevitably claim that unorthodox means were employed by the winner. As they say, the more things change, the more they stay the same.

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By these proven riggers in Guyana drawing parallels with the USA.  The PNC are certified riggers who does it boldly and barefaced.  Anyone would have concerns.  The PPP has every reason to be concerned.  

FM

There is no doubt the PNC rigged elections from 1968 to 1985,

it seems far fetched that the 2105 elections was rigged by the opposition as claimed by the PPP.

From observations taken from the 2012 census,the current voters list is padded.The last house to house registration was done in 2006,the padding was done under the PPP watch,it's no wonder their faces were like sour p...s..s,when it was declared they lost.

Django
Baseman posted:

By these proven riggers in Guyana drawing parallels with the USA.  The PNC are certified riggers who does it boldly and barefaced.  Anyone would have concerns.  The PPP has every reason to be concerned.  

Well said. PNC thief and hijack the election with help from the ABC countries . 

FM
Django posted:

There is no doubt the PNC rigged elections from 1968 to 1985,

it seems far fetched that the 2105 elections was rigged by the opposition as claimed by the PPP.

From observations taken from the 2012 census,the current voters list is padded.The last house to house registration was done in 2006,the padding was done under the PPP watch,it's no wonder their faces were like sour p...s..s,when it was declared they lost.

The only sour P@$Y face is the writer . Continue fetching water in basket for PNC .

FM
Dave posted:
Baseman posted:

By these proven riggers in Guyana drawing parallels with the USA.  The PNC are certified riggers who does it boldly and barefaced.  Anyone would have concerns.  The PPP has every reason to be concerned.  

Well said. PNC thief and hijack the election with help from the ABC countries . 

how dem do it with PPP runnin tings bai?

feel free to come in and help de bai with dis wan Baseman

FM
Baseman posted:

By these proven riggers in Guyana drawing parallels with the USA.  The PNC are certified riggers who does it boldly and barefaced.  Anyone would have concerns.  The PPP has every reason to be concerned.  

A day late and a dollar short, they had 23 years to address that but the constitution favor the PPP with a race base majority. They were too power drunk and didn't notice the coolies were migrating to better jobs/opportunities. Coolies like to work hard and love the fruits of hard labor, was not gona stick around for lowest wages in the Caribbean under the PPP just to keep them in power.

The boat already gane a falls for coolie majority votes to guaranty a win, the jagabaats and Yugiis can continue to dance like headless chicken promoting coolie party but  race voting would only make it easy for the PNC.... 

sachin_05
Dave posted:
Django posted:

There is no doubt the PNC rigged elections from 1968 to 1985,

it seems far fetched that the 2105 elections was rigged by the opposition as claimed by the PPP.

From observations taken from the 2012 census,the current voters list is padded.The last house to house registration was done in 2006,the padding was done under the PPP watch,it's no wonder their faces were like sour p...s..s,when it was declared they lost.

The only sour P@$Y face is the writer . Continue fetching water in basket for PNC .

Facts bhai..facts,no sour face here,address what is said.

Django
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sachin_05 posted:
Baseman posted:

By these proven riggers in Guyana drawing parallels with the USA.  The PNC are certified riggers who does it boldly and barefaced.  Anyone would have concerns.  The PPP has every reason to be concerned.  

A day late and a dollar short, they had 23 years to address that but the constitution favor the PPP with a race base majority. They were too power drunk and didn't notice the coolies were migrating to better jobs/opportunities. Coolies like to work hard and love the fruits of hard labor, was not gona stick around for lowest wages in the Caribbean under the PPP just to keep them in power.

The boat already gane a falls for coolie majority votes to guaranty a win, the jagabaats and Yugiis can continue to dance like headless chicken promoting coolie party but  race voting would only make it easy for the PNC.... 

That's what the crew can't comprehend.

They malign supporting the PNC, when the truth are told.

Django
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Dave posted:
Baseman posted:

By these proven riggers in Guyana drawing parallels with the USA.  The PNC are certified riggers who does it boldly and barefaced.  Anyone would have concerns.  The PPP has every reason to be concerned.  

Well said. PNC thief and hijack the election with help from the ABC countries . 

The PPP was in power at the time of the election, any fudging would have be done by them. If a government is that slack to have the opposition fix the votes then that govt is useless.

cain
Django posted:
sachin_05 posted:
Baseman posted:

By these proven riggers in Guyana drawing parallels with the USA.  The PNC are certified riggers who does it boldly and barefaced.  Anyone would have concerns.  The PPP has every reason to be concerned.  

A day late and a dollar short, they had 23 years to address that but the constitution favor the PPP with a race base majority. They were too power drunk and didn't notice the coolies were migrating to better jobs/opportunities. Coolies like to work hard and love the fruits of hard labor, was not gona stick around for lowest wages in the Caribbean under the PPP just to keep them in power.

The boat already gane a falls for coolie majority votes to guaranty a win, the jagabaats and Yugiis can continue to dance like headless chicken promoting coolie party but  race voting would only make it easy for the PNC.... 

That's what the crew can't comprehend.

They malign supporting the PNC, when the truth are told.

The PPP express concern that an administrative region was rigged and requested a recount .

DJANGO, is this baseless allegation .

And why was the request denied .  

FM
Dave posted:
 

The PPP express concern that an administrative region was rigged and requested a recount .

DJANGO, is this baseless allegation .

And why was the request denied .  

The PPP lost the 2015 elections,their lost started from 2011.Blaming the Opposition and ABC countries are futile.The party always claimed to be victim when the loose.

Django
Django posted:
Dave posted:
 

The PPP express concern that an administrative region was rigged and requested a recount .

DJANGO, is this baseless allegation .

And why was the request denied .  

The PPP lost the 2015 elections,their lost started from 2011.Blaming the Opposition and ABC countries are futile.The party always claimed to be victim when the loose.

Stop beating around with your baseless  excuse . It’s a straight forward question. 

WHY WAS THE REQUESTED FOR A RECOUNT DENIED . 

is the quest for truth “futile” 

FM
Dave posted:
Django posted:
Dave posted:
 

The PPP express concern that an administrative region was rigged and requested a recount .

DJANGO, is this baseless allegation .

And why was the request denied .  

The PPP lost the 2015 elections,their lost started from 2011.Blaming the Opposition and ABC countries are futile.The party always claimed to be victim when the loose.

Stop beating around with your baseless  excuse . It’s a straight forward question. 

WHY WAS THE REQUESTED FOR A RECOUNT DENIED . 

is the quest for truth “futile” 

The PPP lost,the GECOM Chairman Dr.Surujbally made the decision,he also mentioned you will be surprised which party tampered with SOP.

Django
Django posted:
Dave posted:
Django posted:
Dave posted:
 

The PPP express concern that an administrative region was rigged and requested a recount .

DJANGO, is this baseless allegation .

And why was the request denied .  

The PPP lost the 2015 elections,their lost started from 2011.Blaming the Opposition and ABC countries are futile.The party always claimed to be victim when the loose.

Stop beating around with your baseless  excuse . It’s a straight forward question. 

WHY WAS THE REQUESTED FOR A RECOUNT DENIED . 

is the quest for truth “futile” 

The PPP lost,the GECOM Chairman Dr.Surujbally made the decision,he also mentioned you will be surprised which party tampered with SOP.

You have failed to answer my question..  bun out .  

FM
Dave posted:
Django posted:
Dave posted:
Django posted:
Dave posted:
 

The PPP express concern that an administrative region was rigged and requested a recount .

DJANGO, is this baseless allegation .

And why was the request denied .  

The PPP lost the 2015 elections,their lost started from 2011.Blaming the Opposition and ABC countries are futile.The party always claimed to be victim when the loose.

Stop beating around with your baseless  excuse . It’s a straight forward question. 

WHY WAS THE REQUESTED FOR A RECOUNT DENIED . 

is the quest for truth “futile” 

The PPP lost,the GECOM Chairman Dr.Surujbally made the decision,he also mentioned you will be surprised which party tampered with SOP.

You have failed to answer my question..  bun out .  

Your question is infantile,from my responses the answers are there.Apparently you weren't trained well by the PYO.

Django
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Django posted:
Dave posted:
Django posted:
Dave posted:
Django posted:
Dave posted:
 

The PPP express concern that an administrative region was rigged and requested a recount .

DJANGO, is this baseless allegation .

And why was the request denied .  

The PPP lost the 2015 elections,their lost started from 2011.Blaming the Opposition and ABC countries are futile.The party always claimed to be victim when the loose.

Stop beating around with your baseless  excuse . It’s a straight forward question. 

WHY WAS THE REQUESTED FOR A RECOUNT DENIED . 

is the quest for truth “futile” 

The PPP lost,the GECOM Chairman Dr.Surujbally made the decision,he also mentioned you will be surprised which party tampered with SOP.

You have failed to answer my question..  bun out .  

Your question is infantile,from my responses the answers are there.Apparently you weren't trained well by the PYO.

Your answers are BS . I was train not to respond to people who shoot shit .

what is there to fear on a recount. 

 

 

FM
Dave posted:
 

Your answers are BS . I was train not to respond to people who shoot shit .

what is there to fear on a recount. 

Fear ? they lost,

your training is mediocre,it's for folks whom you can brainwashed.

Django

I see the PNC paid drum beaters are showing their real ignorance, stay quiet, refuse to answer and diversion , that's the #2 principle of the Congress House Doctrine. In any democratic country a recount must be done when the votes are close otherwise the result is tarnished. The ABC countries sent Carter to secure a regime change and they succeeded.

K

As a businessman Mr Djanjo , if you were running for public office and asked for a recount because you suspect irregularities . 

It would be infantile of you to request a recount - eh bai .

Come straight with an honest answer .

FM
kp posted:

I see the PNC paid drum beaters are showing their real ignorance, stay quiet, refuse to answer and diversion , that's the #2 principle of the Congress House Doctrine. In any democratic country a recount must be done when the votes are close otherwise the result is tarnished. The ABC countries sent Carter to secure a regime change and they succeeded.

That's the PPP mantra and you sucked it up.

Check all the Elections in Guyana the winning party wins by a few percent.

Don't count the one that Burnham rigged.

Django
kp posted:

I see the PNC paid drum beaters are showing their real ignorance, stay quiet, refuse to answer and diversion , that's the #2 principle of the Congress House Doctrine. In any democratic country a recount must be done when the votes are close otherwise the result is tarnished. The ABC countries sent Carter to secure a regime change and they succeeded.

The usual Djanjo ! refuse to provide a straight forward answer .

FM
Dave posted:

As a businessman Mr Djanjo , if you were running for public office and asked for a recount because you suspect irregularities

It would be infantile of you to request a recount - eh bai .

Come straight with an honest answer .

Leave what i am aside.

Does "suspect irregularities" deems a recount.

The PPP always claimed to be the victim when they lost.

check my post to kp,regarding elections in Guyana.

Django
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The PPP government trusted that Surujbally would perform his duties as GECOM Chairman with integrity but it seems that Surujbally was bought out by the opposition. His reluctance to grant a simple recount request speaks volumes. He is probably living on that pay for play right now.

FM
Mitwah posted:

How come there is no proof so far that the PPP was robbed? Next dem gonna blame Ramjattan and Moses fuh dem loss. Poor Cry babies. 

Who is going to bring forward that proof bai. Old man Patterson now in charge so you know is old school PNC election fraud apparatus in operation.

FM
ksazma posted:

The PPP government trusted that Surujbally would perform his duties as GECOM Chairman with integrity but it seems that Surujbally was bought out by the opposition. His reluctance to grant a simple recount request speaks volumes. He is probably living on that pay for play right now.

How come PPP can't come up with the fake SOPs?

Mitwah
Mitwah posted:
ksazma posted:

The PPP government trusted that Surujbally would perform his duties as GECOM Chairman with integrity but it seems that Surujbally was bought out by the opposition. His reluctance to grant a simple recount request speaks volumes. He is probably living on that pay for play right now.

How come PPP can't come up with the fake SOPs?

That responsibility was Surujbally which he failed miserably to perform. It is not proper for the opposition to step into the government current role. It seems that Surujbally didn't need to work anymore after the elections. The payout must have been very handsome.

FM
ksazma posted:
Mitwah posted:
ksazma posted:

The PPP government trusted that Surujbally would perform his duties as GECOM Chairman with integrity but it seems that Surujbally was bought out by the opposition. His reluctance to grant a simple recount request speaks volumes. He is probably living on that pay for play right now.

How come PPP can't come up with the fake SOPs?

That responsibility was Surujbally which he failed miserably to perform. It is not proper for the opposition to step into the government current role. It seems that Surujbally didn't need to work anymore after the elections. The payout must have been very handsome.

They lost the election fair and square. Too late to look in the mortar for more Foo-Foo.  Was 2011 rigged too?

Mitwah
ksazma posted:
Mitwah posted:
ksazma posted:

The PPP government trusted that Surujbally would perform his duties as GECOM Chairman with integrity but it seems that Surujbally was bought out by the opposition. His reluctance to grant a simple recount request speaks volumes. He is probably living on that pay for play right now.

How come PPP can't come up with the fake SOPs?

That responsibility was Surujbally which he failed miserably to perform. It is not proper for the opposition to step into the government current role. It seems that Surujbally didn't need to work anymore after the elections. The payout must have been very handsome.

All the elections Surujbally was doing a great gob,when the PPP lost,he was hounded and  became the bad guy.

Django
Last edited by Django
Django posted:
ksazma posted:
Mitwah posted:
ksazma posted:

The PPP government trusted that Surujbally would perform his duties as GECOM Chairman with integrity but it seems that Surujbally was bought out by the opposition. His reluctance to grant a simple recount request speaks volumes. He is probably living on that pay for play right now.

How come PPP can't come up with the fake SOPs?

That responsibility was Surujbally which he failed miserably to perform. It is not proper for the opposition to step into the government current role. It seems that Surujbally didn't need to work anymore after the elections. The payout must have been very handsome.

All the elections Surujbally was doing a great gob,when the PPP lost,he was hounded and  became the bad guy.

And look how dem treat dem own stooge Boodhoo in the end. 

Mitwah
Mitwah posted:
ksazma posted:
Mitwah posted:
ksazma posted:

The PPP government trusted that Surujbally would perform his duties as GECOM Chairman with integrity but it seems that Surujbally was bought out by the opposition. His reluctance to grant a simple recount request speaks volumes. He is probably living on that pay for play right now.

How come PPP can't come up with the fake SOPs?

That responsibility was Surujbally which he failed miserably to perform. It is not proper for the opposition to step into the government current role. It seems that Surujbally didn't need to work anymore after the elections. The payout must have been very handsome.

They lost the election fair and square. Too late to look in the mortar for more Foo-Foo.  Was 2011 rigged too?

No election with a hanging cloud can be called fair and square. There was a valid recount request which was denied. It was within the elections rule to grant that recount. Not so long ago, there was congressional representative in Virginia who was declared the winner based on pulling their name out of a bag. As antiquated as that may have seem, it was the rule and it was performed and accepted. It also overturned the previously declared winner.

FM
Mitwah posted:
Django posted:
ksazma posted:
Mitwah posted:
ksazma posted:

The PPP government trusted that Surujbally would perform his duties as GECOM Chairman with integrity but it seems that Surujbally was bought out by the opposition. His reluctance to grant a simple recount request speaks volumes. He is probably living on that pay for play right now.

How come PPP can't come up with the fake SOPs?

That responsibility was Surujbally which he failed miserably to perform. It is not proper for the opposition to step into the government current role. It seems that Surujbally didn't need to work anymore after the elections. The payout must have been very handsome.

All the elections Surujbally was doing a great gob,when the PPP lost,he was hounded and  became the bad guy.

And look how dem treat dem own stooge Boodhoo in the end. 

Expected from Ingrates.

Django
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Django posted:
ksazma posted:
Mitwah posted:
ksazma posted:

The PPP government trusted that Surujbally would perform his duties as GECOM Chairman with integrity but it seems that Surujbally was bought out by the opposition. His reluctance to grant a simple recount request speaks volumes. He is probably living on that pay for play right now.

How come PPP can't come up with the fake SOPs?

That responsibility was Surujbally which he failed miserably to perform. It is not proper for the opposition to step into the government current role. It seems that Surujbally didn't need to work anymore after the elections. The payout must have been very handsome.

All the elections Surujbally was doing a great gob,when the PPP lost,he was hounded and  became the bad guy.

He didn't become tainted because the Coalition was declared the winner. He became tainted because he stubbornly refused to grant a valid recount request. People don't/shouldn't get passes for their bad actions just because they also have good actions.

FM
ksazma posted:
Django posted:
ksazma posted:
Mitwah posted:
ksazma posted:

The PPP government trusted that Surujbally would perform his duties as GECOM Chairman with integrity but it seems that Surujbally was bought out by the opposition. His reluctance to grant a simple recount request speaks volumes. He is probably living on that pay for play right now.

How come PPP can't come up with the fake SOPs?

That responsibility was Surujbally which he failed miserably to perform. It is not proper for the opposition to step into the government current role. It seems that Surujbally didn't need to work anymore after the elections. The payout must have been very handsome.

All the elections Surujbally was doing a great gob,when the PPP lost,he was hounded and  became the bad guy.

He didn't become tainted because the Coalition was declared the winner. He became tainted because he stubbornly refused to grant a valid recount request. People don't/shouldn't get passes for their bad actions just because they also have good actions.

The PPP lost fair and square,why would GECOM hold the nation at ransom by not declaring the winner,due to some frivolous claims of "suspect irregularities"

Django
ksazma posted:
Django posted:
ksazma posted:
Mitwah posted:
ksazma posted:

The PPP government trusted that Surujbally would perform his duties as GECOM Chairman with integrity but it seems that Surujbally was bought out by the opposition. His reluctance to grant a simple recount request speaks volumes. He is probably living on that pay for play right now.

How come PPP can't come up with the fake SOPs?

That responsibility was Surujbally which he failed miserably to perform. It is not proper for the opposition to step into the government current role. It seems that Surujbally didn't need to work anymore after the elections. The payout must have been very handsome.

All the elections Surujbally was doing a great gob,when the PPP lost,he was hounded and  became the bad guy.

He didn't become tainted because the Coalition was declared the winner. He became tainted because he stubbornly refused to grant a valid recount request. People don't/shouldn't get passes for their bad actions just because they also have good actions.

That's not entirely true. The delays in announcing the elections results were largely due to the PPP wanting recounts after recounts. The public was getting angry of the delays. He did facilitate the PPP's wishes. He probably got fed up with the crocodile tears and thought enough is enough. So far the PPP can't come up with fake SOPs.

Mitwah
kp posted:

Rumjaat and Mosejaat will go down in Guyana's history as the disgraced traitors. Since election what are their contributions to the country other than milking the taxpayers dry.

You conveniently left out the albatross that the PPP left around the necks of the Guyanese public after 23 years. They spent out the money on Pradoville 1 & 2, Barriott Hotel, The Floating Berbice River Bridge and pink elephant, Skeldon Estate..... they spent more money on entertainment than on the University of Guyana. 

Mitwah
Django posted:
 

The PPP lost fair and square,why would GECOM hold the nation at ransom by not declaring the winner,due to some frivolous claims of "suspect irregularities"

The issue was not about any frivolous claims. It was about the difference in votes being within the legal margin to perform a recount. It was Surujbally's job to do what is required by law. It was not his place to insert his preference above the law. And what is this about holding the nation ransom. Guyanese have forever been held ransom. They are still being held ransom today. There was not a clear winner so Surujbally did not declare any clear winner. He instead declared a tainted winner. They are still tainted even today because they did not utilize their tainted entry into government to correct some of their past wickedness. Instead, Granger was impatiently counting down the days when he can give Green that national award.

FM

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