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FM
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PEEPING TOM: The National Assembly of Guyana cannot disregard or flout the ruling of the court regardless if that ruling is a preliminary one.
It is incumbent on the National Assembly to respect the ruling of the court in so far as interpretations of the Constitution of Guyana are concerned or in so far as the court is being asked to determine whether actions are ultra vires of the Constitution.
In July of last year, the Chief Justice of Guyana in a cogent judgment ruled that the National Assembly may approve or disapprove the estimates of expenditure of the Budget but cannot cut such estimates as presented by the Executive.
The ruling was sound and followed a line of reasoning and which can be summarized as follows:
1. It is the executive who has the constitutional responsibility for managing the affairs of the country and thus for preparing the Budget estimates.
2. It is the Minister of Finance (or a designated minister) who bears the responsibility for preparing and laying the estimates before the House.
3. Article 218(2) of the Constitution gives the National Assembly the power to approve the estimates of expenditure only. (The approval of the National Assembly is not required for the estimates or revenue.) There is an inherent corollary to disapprove.
4. Article 218(2) was drafted on the assumption that approval of the estimates would eventually occur. Final non- approval is not an option contemplated by the constitution.
5. If the estimates of expenditure are disapproved, it is for the Minister of Finance to go back to the drawing Board and revise the estimates of expenditure. It is not for the National Assembly to cut or reduce the estimates of expenditure.
6. If the National Assembly were to disapprove the estimates, the Minister of Finance must have the option to present amended estimates.
7. If the National Assembly were to cut the estimates, it would mean that it is the National Assembly that is both determining and approving the estimates rather than the Minister determining and the National Assembly approving.
8. For the National Assembly to both determine and approve the estimates would be in violation of the separation of powers.
9. Further, if the drafters of the Constitution had wanted to grant to the National Assembly the right to determine the Budget, they would have conferred such powers on it in expressed terms as is the case in other jurisdictions.
The opposition in attempting to counter these arguments has sought refuge in the concept of parliamentary sovereignty. However, they seem not to realize that in Guyana it is the Constitution that is supreme and not Parliament as is the case in England.
The Constitution of Guyana of course affords the National Assembly, the right to regulate its own procedures but this control over its own procedures does not extend to the power to cut the Budget.
In this judgment, Justice Chang had this to state on this issue:
β€œIt is true that Article 165(1) enables the National Assembly to regulate its own procedure and to make rules and regulation of its own affairs. However, Article 165(1) has conferred no power in the National Assembly to expand or enlarge the scope of its substantive powers under the Constitution. The power to cut or reduce the ministerial estimates of expenditure cannot be created under the guise of making procedural rules of self-regulation. Like the power to approve or not to approve the estimates of expenditure, the power to effect a reduction thereto is a substantive not a procedural power. Therefore the National Assembly, under the guise of making procedural rules of self regulation cannot confer on itself substantive powers to reduce such estimates.”
The opposition parties therefore have no power to cut anything from the Budget. What they can do is to withhold consent.
This would force the Minister of Finance to revise his estimates until agreement can be reached for approval, failing which of course, there is no option but elections.

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Originally Posted by Nehru:

But the DUMB, STUPID and ILLITERSATE Opposition will DELAY, DELAY and DELAY at the expense of POOR Guyanese. They dont care Rats ass about the POOR, The effect on the Economy and the People of Guyana. POWER!!!   DAT ISAT THEY CARE ABOUT. RIGHt MOSES, GR AND RAMJHAAAAAAAAAAAATAN?????/!!!!

 

HEH HEH HEH. GANGA PERSAUD LIKE DE HYENA SHIT ESCAPING OUT YUH MOUT.

FM

The joint opposition knows to their gut, that they can't cut the National Budget, what they are attempting to do, is to attract a ray of limelight on themselves, the Guyanese populace are seeing the sinister motives of the joint opposition to derail progress on the country and put thousands on the breadline, the electorate can't wait soon enough to get back to the polls and put the joint opposition where they rightfully belong....in the political

wilderness

FM
Originally Posted by Conscience:

The joint opposition knows to their gut, that they can't cut the National Budget, what they are attempting to do, is to attract a ray of limelight on themselves, the Guyanese populace are seeing the sinister motives of the joint opposition to derail progress on the country and put thousands on the breadline, the electorate can't wait soon enough to get back to the polls and put the joint opposition where they rightfully belong....in the political

wilderness

MEH KNOW DEM CYANT CUT. DEM A PLAY DEM RASS AND WASE TIME IN DE PEOPLE HOUSE. BOI CONSCIENCE DAT BURNHAM GOOD FOH RAMO AND JAGDEO RAPE DE POOR PEOPLE MONEY AND GEE DEM PICKNEY AND FAMLY SPECIAL CONTRACT. AYOO PUN TAP BOI. 

FM
Originally Posted by albert:

All those lawyers in the opposition trying to skillfully go around this

 it may be a matter of law but is is in general a matter of morality and democratic prerogatives. The PPP's insistence on autocratic legitimacy is anti democratic, backward seeking and reeks of their communist legacy.

 

You  cretins need to illustrate one democratic state that said its legislature is obsolete or impotent as a control to the excesses of the administration.

FM

http://www.kaieteurnewsonline....angs-in-the-balance/



"The opposition’s trump card was perhaps what came from AFC leader Khemraj Ramjattan.
He quoted from the statement of the Finance Minister Dr. Ashni Singh from April 17, 2012 when he said β€œβ€it is the legitimate right of the opposition to propose any change within the boundary of the Standing Orders.”
The Finance Minister had said, then, that the ruling PPP/C would defend the right of the opposition to question the estimates and make amendments.
That essentially chewed up Singh, and the rest of the government’s arguments that the opposition cannot cut the budget.
However, the budget cuts could be avoided, the AFC says, if the government comes clean on its spending"

Mars
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by albert:

All those lawyers in the opposition trying to skillfully go around this

 it may be a matter of law but is is in general a matter of morality and democratic prerogatives. The PPP's insistence on autocratic legitimacy is anti democratic, backward seeking and reeks of their communist legacy.

 

You  cretins need to illustrate one democratic state that said its legislature is obsolete or impotent as a control to the excesses of the administration.

So its only democratic as long as its being practiced by the opposition? Guess the acting CJ knows nothing about the constitution and law. The very democratic opposition gagged Rohee which the CJ ruled to be an infringement of his constitutional right 

FM
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
it may be a matter of law but is is in general a matter of morality and democratic prerogatives.

It is the law, both in the previous PNC and current PPP/C government.

 

Specifically, what has the PNC cum AFC done since 1992 to make any changes to this specific aspect of the laws?

Good question D_G. Especially considering that they have a one seat majority since 2011. 

FM
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
it may be a matter of law but is is in general a matter of morality and democratic prerogatives.

It is the law, both in the previous PNC and current PPP/C government.

 

Specifically, what has the PNC cum AFC done since 1992 to make any changes to this specific aspect of the laws?

HEY HEY HEY HEY HEY. WAN STUPID LAGIC. AFC BIN DEH ROUND SINCE 1992. NO WANDA WHY YUH BRUK UP MOCA MOCA HYDRO AND DE BURNHAM HYDRO. DEM BIN RIGHT FOH CHASE YOU INCOMEPETENT RASS OUT GUYANA. 

FM
Originally Posted by albert:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by albert:

All those lawyers in the opposition trying to skillfully go around this

 it may be a matter of law but is is in general a matter of morality and democratic prerogatives. The PPP's insistence on autocratic legitimacy is anti democratic, backward seeking and reeks of their communist legacy.

 

You  cretins need to illustrate one democratic state that said its legislature is obsolete or impotent as a control to the excesses of the administration.

So its only democratic as long as its being practiced by the opposition? Guess the acting CJ knows nothing about the constitution and law. The very democratic opposition gagged Rohee which the CJ ruled to be an infringement of his constitutional right 

are you daft? one is speaking of the function of the legislature in a democracy. The chief justice is ruling per legislation and the dictatorial Constitution that the PPP themselves at one time declared to be so.

FM
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
it may be a matter of law but is is in general a matter of morality and democratic prerogatives.

It is the law, both in the previous PNC and current PPP/C government.

 

Specifically, what has the PNC cum AFC done since 1992 to make any changes to this specific aspect of the laws?

Knuckle head, if the PPP are the autocrats and demanding the dictatorial rights to do as they please then who are you asking to lay down the law? Are you not defending their right to be dictators here with this nonsense?

FM
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
it may be a matter of law but is is in general a matter of morality and democratic prerogatives.

It is the law, both in the previous PNC and current PPP/C government.

 

Specifically, what has the PNC cum AFC done since 1992 to make any changes to this specific aspect of the laws?

Knuckle head, if the PPP are the autocrats and demanding the dictatorial rights to do as they please then who are you asking to lay down the law? Are you not defending their right to be dictators here with this nonsense?

Knuckle head = You do have numerous names/monikers for yourself. 


Now carefully read the simple question and; if you are capable; provide an answer. 

FM
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
it may be a matter of law but is is in general a matter of morality and democratic prerogatives.

It is the law, both in the previous PNC and current PPP/C government.

 

Specifically, what has the PNC cum AFC done since 1992 to make any changes to this specific aspect of the laws?

Knuckle head, if the PPP are the autocrats and demanding the dictatorial rights to do as they please then who are you asking to lay down the law? Are you not defending their right to be dictators here with this nonsense?

Knuckle head = You do have numerous names/monikers for yourself. 


Now carefully read the simple question and; if you are capable; provide an answer. 

The question is vacuous. It should be directed to the PPP. The point is as autocrats and who defend the anti democratic principle that they have all the power, they could exercise that power good but instead you stupidly placed  it on the heads of opposition  who has none. But you are a senile old fool so you are excused.

FM
Originally Posted by Nehru:

Trotty is a READ DUNCE. This FOOL love to show his DUMBNESS. Laad Ah Mercy, I wonder if he will be travelling to England to gain some basic Knowledge. The Court already ruled against him but he loves to demonstrate his acute DUMBNESS!!!!

 De did exactly what I stated above, ruled on the manifest absurdity that the people's elected representatives and supposed legislators cannot act in their interest. Further, he highlighted something I did not know,  thar the word amendment does not exist in the Constitution ( the reason for the absurd notion that the opposition cannot amend)  and prohibitions to cutting the budget is also absent.

 

It therefore mean by extension they can chop left and right. Note, the courts cannot make laws. If Trotman is right ( and I will check it later) then the PPP are gotten by the balls by the balls!

FM
Last edited by Former Member
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
it may be a matter of law but is is in general a matter of morality and democratic prerogatives.

It is the law, both in the previous PNC and current PPP/C government.

 

Specifically, what has the PNC cum AFC done since 1992 to make any changes to this specific aspect of the laws?

Knuckle head, if the PPP are the autocrats and demanding the dictatorial rights to do as they please then who are you asking to lay down the law? Are you not defending their right to be dictators here with this nonsense?

Knuckle head = You do have numerous names/monikers for yourself. 


Now carefully read the simple question and; if you are capable; provide an answer. 

The question is vacuous.

 

It should be directed to the PPP. The point is as autocrats and who defend the anti democratic principle that they have all the power, they could exercise that power good but instead you stupidly placed  it on the heads of opposition  who has none. But you are a senile old fool so you are excused.

Vacuous =  the same as your views, actions and display on GNI.

 

Keep trying and perhaps, in about one hundred ( 100 ) years, you may get a slight inclination of the issues.

FM
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:

 

Keep trying and perhaps, in about one hundred ( 100 ) years, you may get a slight inclination of the issues.

 

I know you think the above is smart but it simply reaffirms what I said about senility and an empty head.

Interesting that you have again referenced your senility and having an empty head.

FM
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
it may be a matter of law but is is in general a matter of morality and democratic prerogatives.

It is the law, both in the previous PNC and current PPP/C government.

 

Specifically, what has the PNC cum AFC done since 1992 to make any changes to this specific aspect of the laws?

Knuckle head, if the PPP are the autocrats and demanding the dictatorial rights to do as they please then who are you asking to lay down the law? Are you not defending their right to be dictators here with this nonsense?

Knuckle head = You do have numerous names/monikers for yourself. 


Now carefully read the simple question and; if you are capable; provide an answer. 

The question is vacuous.

 

It should be directed to the PPP. The point is as autocrats and who defend the anti democratic principle that they have all the power, they could exercise that power good but instead you stupidly placed  it on the heads of opposition  who has none. But you are a senile old fool so you are excused.

Vacuous =  the same as your views, actions and display on GNI.

 

Keep trying and perhaps, in about one hundred ( 100 ) years, you may get a slight inclination of the issues.


HEHEHE   HAHaha DG mess up sTORMY.

Nehru
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:

The PNC cum AFC needs to effectively conduct in parliament a vote of non-confidence in the Government.

 

The President then sets the date for an election.

The AFC needs to hold the fort exactly as they are doing. It is to their advantage the longer the tenure of this dysfunctional parliament. Further, it is the presidents prerogative to dissolve parliament and call elections.

FM

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