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When Pavi is your model representative Richmond Hill Hindu...this kind of mediocrity is the result.

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Diwali date controversy underlines the mediocrity that Hindus  have been sucked into

By Staff Writer On October 24, 2015 @ 5:04 am In Letters

 

Dear Editor,

 

I read with interest a news item, `Yesu Persaud agrees with Dharmic Sabha Diwali date’ (SN, 10-23-15). The article indicated that Mr. Persaud said that he agreed with the head of Dharmic Sabha, Dr. Vindhya Vasini Persaud that November 11th is the rightful day for Diwali. Mr. Yesu Persaud is quoted as stating: “In my opinion no politician should be able to get (involved) in religious matters as there is a fear you will intervene in other religious groups’ affairs. I suggest you leave this decision up to Dr. Persaud since she represents the Guyana Hindu Dharmic Sabha. This is my humble opinion on the recent dispute”. She may represent the Dharmic Sabha, but does she represent the Hindus of Guyana?

 

I have the greatest respect and admiration for Mr. Yesu Persaud, but there is some problem with this statement. Isn’t Dr. Vindhya Persaud a politician? By extension, why is she involved in a religious matter? Both the Security Minister, Khemraj Ramjattan (and he is a Hindu too) and Vindhya Persaud are politicians and their priorities are not the interest of the Hindu people. This whole episode of conflict regarding the correct date of Diwali points to a larger problem in the Hindu society, which is a culture of accepted widespread mediocrity promoted by organizations that have held the Hindu people hostage, and lack of respect for Hindu scholarship.

 

The only trained Hindu scholar living in Guyana is Swami Aksharananda and the decent thing to do would have been to seek his opinion. I am sure that the highly respected Mr. Yesu Persaud would agree because he is aware of Swami Aksharananda’s calibre. He is the top Hindu scholar in the region and is an expert in Sanskrit and speaks Hindi fluently. His approach to education is unmatched in the region as demonstrated over and over again by the achievements of Saraswati Vidya Niketan (SVN). Almost all of the major Hindu texts are written in Sanskrit except Tulsi Das’s

version of the Ramayana. Who in the Dharmic Sabha has the requisite training in Sanskrit to make the mathematical calculations and pronouncements related to the dates of historical events such as Diwali?

I point this out because it is shameful for anyone of good conscience to tolerate the ignorance and mediocrity that the Hindu people, especially the poor and uneducated ones, are sucked into. The “Pandits” generally have no formal educational training in Hinduism, and with few exceptions have made a mockery of the Sanskrit term “Pandit” which means a scholar. The division is not confined to conflicts such as the date of Diwali, but to splits such as in the Phagwa parade in Queens, New York, and temples in the court system. In Guyana, the reality is that Hindus are at the bottom of the pit – they are plagued by the most suicides, are the largest group of alcoholics, and they do the most menial labouring work.

 

I call on scholars in the areas of Hinduism, Sociology, Economics, and Political Science to examine the historical and current roles of organizations such as the Guyana Pandits Council and the Guyana Hindu Dharmic Sabha on the state of Hinduism in Guyana today.

 

Yours faithfully, Somdat Mahabir

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Ramjattan should publish the names of all those he consulted and their suggested dates so we know that he is telling the truth, and the quality of advice he is getting on this issue. The Swamp is a great scholar and a great example, but what about the others? heard about the Pandit Bandit, the sexual molester, the $10 pandit, the $5 bandit. I accept that all religions have their issues and people who are less than worthy. We need to reach within ourselves to live exemplary lives and do good. Scholars often pontificate but do not really solve anything. 

Z
Originally Posted by Zed:

Ramjattan should publish the names of all those he consulted and their suggested dates so we know that he is telling the truth, and the quality of advice he is getting on this issue. The Swamp is a great scholar and a great example, but what about the others? heard about the Pandit Bandit, the sexual molester, the $10 pandit, the $5 bandit. I accept that all religions have their issues and people who are less than worthy. We need to reach within ourselves to live exemplary lives and do good. Scholars often pontificate but do not really solve anything. 

Yea...I'd say let's get the hustlers and pushers to solve problems.

FM

As I said here 2-3 days ago, party politics is the root cause of division among Hindus. The Guyana Hindu Dharmic Sabha, the Guyana Pandits Council, the Gandhi Youth Organization, the Viraat Sabha and others must all make a determined effort to keep far from APNU, AFC, PPP etc.

In future, the government of the day must consult real experts like Swami Aksharananda in its decision-making on religious holidays. Somdat Mahabir has made sound suggestions in his letter.

FM

Question. Isn't this all about holding a grand motorcade in GT? More Indo Power demonstrated.

 

The first time I would see lit dyas, was on the Corentyne. Between Port Mourant and Albion Front. It was a quiet occasion for families. None of the jump up and whining.

S
Originally Posted by TK:
Originally Posted by Zed:

Ramjattan should publish the names of all those he consulted and their suggested dates so we know that he is telling the truth, and the quality of advice he is getting on this issue. The Swamp is a great scholar and a great example, but what about the others? heard about the Pandit Bandit, the sexual molester, the $10 pandit, the $5 bandit. I accept that all religions have their issues and people who are less than worthy. We need to reach within ourselves to live exemplary lives and do good. Scholars often pontificate but do not really solve anything. 

Yea...I'd say let's get the hustlers and pushers to solve problems.

Really difficult to find people here who are not pushers and hustlers. Even some if not most of the scholarly.  Maybe, it is one of the reasons you reside outside of Guyana so you can maintain your integrity. (Some might dispute it) 

Z
Originally Posted by Zed:
Originally Posted by TK:
Originally Posted by Zed:

Ramjattan should publish the names of all those he consulted and their suggested dates so we know that he is telling the truth, and the quality of advice he is getting on this issue. The Swamp is a great scholar and a great example, but what about the others? heard about the Pandit Bandit, the sexual molester, the $10 pandit, the $5 bandit. I accept that all religions have their issues and people who are less than worthy. We need to reach within ourselves to live exemplary lives and do good. Scholars often pontificate but do not really solve anything. 

Yea...I'd say let's get the hustlers and pushers to solve problems.

Really difficult to find people here who are not pushers and hustlers. Even some if not most of the scholarly.  Maybe, it is one of the reasons you reside outside of Guyana so you can maintain your integrity. (Some might dispute it) 

The politics make it hard for academics to stay independent there. UG pay is low...so lecturers stay quiet to get the consultancies from politicians.

FM

Laad Ah Mercy!! From Donkey Cart Economics to Donkey Cart Religion.  This IDIOT just got his second PHD, this time in Donkey Cart REligion.  I have to believe TK derived from MUD and therefore has a MUD head.!!!!!!!!!!

Nehru
Originally Posted by seignet:

Question. Isn't this all about holding a grand motorcade in GT? More Indo Power demonstrated.

 

The first time I would see lit dyas, was on the Corentyne. Between Port Mourant and Albion Front. It was a quiet occasion for families. None of the jump up and whining.

I think you need an Education on the Diwali Motorcade before you continue to embarss yourself. Or you just confused with the Mashramani Wine , grind and backball naked.

Nehru
Originally Posted by Nehru:

Laad Ah Mercy!! From Donkey Cart Economics to Donkey Cart Religion.  This IDIOT just got his second PHD, this time in Donkey Cart REligion.  I have to believe TK derived from MUD and therefore has a MUD head.!!!!!!!!!!

I rest my case .

FM
Originally Posted by TK:
Originally Posted by Nehru:

Laad Ah Mercy!! From Donkey Cart Economics to Donkey Cart Religion.  This IDIOT just got his second PHD, this time in Donkey Cart REligion.  I have to believe TK derived from MUD and therefore has a MUD head.!!!!!!!!!!

I rest my case .

Thank you for resting your case . The Judge ruled YOU ARE AN IDIOT!!!!

Nehru
Originally Posted by Nehru:
Originally Posted by TK:
Originally Posted by Nehru:

Laad Ah Mercy!! From Donkey Cart Economics to Donkey Cart Religion.  This IDIOT just got his second PHD, this time in Donkey Cart REligion.  I have to believe TK derived from MUD and therefore has a MUD head.!!!!!!!!!!

I rest my case .

Thank you for resting your case . The Judge ruled YOU ARE AN IDIOT!!!!

I had to dig this one up to elicit your response . I hope you placed the mala and pour milk on Emperor pictcha at your RH mandir.

FM
Originally Posted by Zed:
Originally Posted by TK:
Originally Posted by Zed:

Ramjattan should publish the names of all those he consulted and their suggested dates so we know that he is telling the truth, and the quality of advice he is getting on this issue. The Swamp is a great scholar and a great example, but what about the others? heard about the Pandit Bandit, the sexual molester, the $10 pandit, the $5 bandit. I accept that all religions have their issues and people who are less than worthy. We need to reach within ourselves to live exemplary lives and do good. Scholars often pontificate but do not really solve anything. 

Yea...I'd say let's get the hustlers and pushers to solve problems.

Really difficult to find people here who are not pushers and hustlers. Even some if not most of the scholarly.  Maybe, it is one of the reasons you reside outside of Guyana so you can maintain your integrity. (Some might dispute it) 

Good observation.  I cannot live in Guyana under current conditions.  I am not prepared to bribe anyone and I surely do not want to lower myself by doing illegal things to survive.

FM
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Originally Posted by VVP:
Originally Posted by Zed:
Originally Posted by TK:
Originally Posted by Zed:

Ramjattan should publish the names of all those he consulted and their suggested dates so we know that he is telling the truth, and the quality of advice he is getting on this issue. The Swamp is a great scholar and a great example, but what about the others? heard about the Pandit Bandit, the sexual molester, the $10 pandit, the $5 bandit. I accept that all religions have their issues and people who are less than worthy. We need to reach within ourselves to live exemplary lives and do good. Scholars often pontificate but do not really solve anything. 

Yea...I'd say let's get the hustlers and pushers to solve problems.

Really difficult to find people here who are not pushers and hustlers. Even some if not most of the scholarly.  Maybe, it is one of the reasons you reside outside of Guyana so you can maintain your integrity. (Some might dispute it) 

Good observation.  I cannot live in Guyana under current conditions.  I am not prepared to bribe anyone an I surely do not want to lower myself by doing illegal things to survive.

 

 

 

I lived in Guyana under the most undemocratic and Lawless time BUT NEVER paid a Bribe!!!

Nehru
Originally Posted by TK:

When Pavi is your model representative Richmond Hill Hindu...this kind of mediocrity is the result.

=================================

 

Diwali date controversy underlines the mediocrity that Hindus  have been sucked into

By Staff Writer On October 24, 2015 @ 5:04 am In Letters

 

Dear Editor,

 

I read with interest a news item, `Yesu Persaud agrees with Dharmic Sabha Diwali date’ (SN, 10-23-15). The article indicated that Mr. Persaud said that he agreed with the head of Dharmic Sabha, Dr. Vindhya Vasini Persaud that November 11th is the rightful day for Diwali. Mr. Yesu Persaud is quoted as stating: “In my opinion no politician should be able to get (involved) in religious matters as there is a fear you will intervene in other religious groups’ affairs. I suggest you leave this decision up to Dr. Persaud since she represents the Guyana Hindu Dharmic Sabha. This is my humble opinion on the recent dispute”. She may represent the Dharmic Sabha, but does she represent the Hindus of Guyana?

 

I have the greatest respect and admiration for Mr. Yesu Persaud, but there is some problem with this statement. Isn’t Dr. Vindhya Persaud a politician? By extension, why is she involved in a religious matter? Both the Security Minister, Khemraj Ramjattan (and he is a Hindu too) and Vindhya Persaud are politicians and their priorities are not the interest of the Hindu people. This whole episode of conflict regarding the correct date of Diwali points to a larger problem in the Hindu society, which is a culture of accepted widespread mediocrity promoted by organizations that have held the Hindu people hostage, and lack of respect for Hindu scholarship.

 

The only trained Hindu scholar living in Guyana is Swami Aksharananda and the decent thing to do would have been to seek his opinion. I am sure that the highly respected Mr. Yesu Persaud would agree because he is aware of Swami Aksharananda’s calibre. He is the top Hindu scholar in the region and is an expert in Sanskrit and speaks Hindi fluently. His approach to education is unmatched in the region as demonstrated over and over again by the achievements of Saraswati Vidya Niketan (SVN). Almost all of the major Hindu texts are written in Sanskrit except Tulsi Das’s

version of the Ramayana. Who in the Dharmic Sabha has the requisite training in Sanskrit to make the mathematical calculations and pronouncements related to the dates of historical events such as Diwali?

I point this out because it is shameful for anyone of good conscience to tolerate the ignorance and mediocrity that the Hindu people, especially the poor and uneducated ones, are sucked into. The “Pandits” generally have no formal educational training in Hinduism, and with few exceptions have made a mockery of the Sanskrit term “Pandit” which means a scholar. The division is not confined to conflicts such as the date of Diwali, but to splits such as in the Phagwa parade in Queens, New York, and temples in the court system. In Guyana, the reality is that Hindus are at the bottom of the pit – they are plagued by the most suicides, are the largest group of alcoholics, and they do the most menial labouring work.

 

I call on scholars in the areas of Hinduism, Sociology, Economics, and Political Science to examine the historical and current roles of organizations such as the Guyana Pandits Council and the Guyana Hindu Dharmic Sabha on the state of Hinduism in Guyana today.

 

Yours faithfully, Somdat Mahabir

I agree with much of what Somdat Stated here ( believe they call him Pandit as well) with respect to the Indian community being captured by "religious leaders" as proxies for political opinions with religion being sidelined. I however disagree that one needs a Sanskrit scholar to grasp the fundamentals of Hinduism or that only such a person can accurately deduce proper incantations and auspicious dates.

 

If there is disagreements as to proper form of rituals or dates one has to reflect on understanding and in thousands of years of exposition on the issues because the most ancient of systems cannot still be an enigma in the 20th century and be useful.

 

Somdat is doing no less than he criticize; looking for official interpreters of the faith and swallowing their pronouncements whole cloth. Sanskrit is translatable and scholars should be multitude and faith adherents should also have a grasp of what they believe. Surely they are not passive consumers or the exposition by diktat of some "scholar"

 

Again, calculating the dark moon is no great problem. It can be done from online calculators or from existing charts and tables. Any moron can with a modicum of instruction learn to do it. Note, for it to be on a particular day. the  possibility of error is beyond the proverbial mile... ie almost impossible! That we missed it by a day here and have a quarrel of epic proportions testify to the community of morons we call Hindu priests. There should be no dispute as to what day it is

 

 

As an aside, there is no one Hinduism...the religion spans the philosophical  chasm from the atheistic Janes and Buddhists to the monotheist Sikh and not simply  Sanathan Dharma as the predominant form in Guyana.

FM
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RAMJATTAN'S REPLY TO YESU PERSAUD

October 24, 2015 | By |

Dear Editor,
Thank you for sharing your opinion on the matter of Deepavali by letter dated 20th October, 2015.
I wholly share your opinion that the political types should not get involved in religious matters.
Just to remind you, however, that Dr. Vindya Persaud, a politican pure and simple and not a Pandit nor Swami, was instructing the country to celebrate Deepavali on 11th November, 2015 against the wishes of Pandits and Swamis.
The Pandits and Swamis of this country, totaling some ninety (90) whose signatures I have and who have rationalized and justified why it should be 10th November, 2015, asked me – the Minister with powers under the law – to correct the mistake made by politician Dr Vindya Persaud. In accordance with my religious principles and my legal duty, I did exactly that.
The Swamis and Pandits who suggested the 10th November, 2015 represent other Sabhas including the Maha Sabha, the Viraat Sabha, the Vedic Sabha amongst others and it would be oppressively discriminatory to leave the decision to just one Sabha, the Dharmic Sabha.I had cause to hear their opposing arguments, and I gave a reasoned decision before coming to my opinion. I attach same here for your cogitation.
Hope you respect my humble opinion on this dispute, and what led me to walk with the Pandits and Swamis of this country.
Khemraj Ramjattan
Vice-President and Minister of Public Security

FM
Originally Posted by TK:
Originally Posted by Nehru:

Laad Ah Mercy!! From Donkey Cart Economics to Donkey Cart Religion.  This IDIOT just got his second PHD, this time in Donkey Cart REligion.  I have to believe TK derived from MUD and therefore has a MUD head.!!!!!!!!!!

I rest my case .

It's not your case.  it's Nehru's cASE and he just kicked your backside.

R
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
I agree with much of what Somdat Stated here ( believe they call him Pandit as well) with respect to the Indian community being captured by "religious leaders" as proxies for political opinions with religion being sidelined. I however disagree that one needs a Sanskrit scholar to grasp the fundamentals of Hinduism or that only such a person can accurately deduce proper incantations and auspicious dates.

 

If there is disagreements as to proper form of rituals or dates one has to reflect on understanding and in thousands of years of exposition on the issues because the most ancient of systems cannot still be an enigma in the 20th century and be useful.

 

Somdat is doing no less than he criticize; looking for official interpreters of the faith and swallowing their pronouncements whole cloth. Sanskrit is translatable and scholars should be multitude and faith adherents should also have a grasp of what they believe. Surely they are not passive consumers or the exposition by diktat of some "scholar"

 

Again, calculating the dark moon is no great problem. It can be done from online calculators or from existing charts and tables. Any moron can with a modicum of instruction learn to do it. Note, for it to be on a particular day. the  possibility of error is beyond the proverbial mile... ie almost impossible! That we missed it by a day here and have a quarrel of epic proportions testify to the community of morons we call Hindu priests. There should be no dispute as to what day it is

 

 

As an aside, there is no one Hinduism...the religion spans the philosophical  chasm from the atheistic Janes and Buddhists to the monotheist Sikh and not simply  Sanathan Dharma as the predominant form in Guyana.

Stormborn, this is not necessarily a technical issue or a singular Guyana problem at all

 

much of South India and important precincts such as Delhi will observe Nov 10 while a majority of India observes Nov 11

 

this seems not to be a problem over there . . . it is religion, not science after all

FM
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Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
I agree with much of what Somdat Stated here ( believe they call him Pandit as well) with respect to the Indian community being captured by "religious leaders" as proxies for political opinions with religion being sidelined. I however disagree that one needs a Sanskrit scholar to grasp the fundamentals of Hinduism or that only such a person can accurately deduce proper incantations and auspicious dates.

 

If there is disagreements as to proper form of rituals or dates one has to reflect on understanding and in thousands of years of exposition on the issues because the most ancient of systems cannot still be an enigma in the 20th century and be useful.

 

Somdat is doing no less than he criticize; looking for official interpreters of the faith and swallowing their pronouncements whole cloth. Sanskrit is translatable and scholars should be multitude and faith adherents should also have a grasp of what they believe. Surely they are not passive consumers or the exposition by diktat of some "scholar"

 

Again, calculating the dark moon is no great problem. It can be done from online calculators or from existing charts and tables. Any moron can with a modicum of instruction learn to do it. Note, for it to be on a particular day. the  possibility of error is beyond the proverbial mile... ie almost impossible! That we missed it by a day here and have a quarrel of epic proportions testify to the community of morons we call Hindu priests. There should be no dispute as to what day it is

 

 

As an aside, there is no one Hinduism...the religion spans the philosophical  chasm from the atheistic Janes and Buddhists to the monotheist Sikh and not simply  Sanathan Dharma as the predominant form in Guyana.

Stormborn, this is not necessarily a technical issue or a singular Guyana problem at all

 

much of South India and important precincts such as Delhi will observe Nov 10 while a majority of India observes Nov 11

 

this seems not to be a problem over there . . . it is religion, not science after all

Then someone tell me what are the portends that postulate the new moon ( or rather the dark moon) being calculated a day off between two communities?

 

No one has explained  this except to suggest that their  astrologers and priests conjured up a particular answer. The conjurers and priests are definitely in a conundrum with two competing dates.

 

If Guyana is confused then it is Hindus who are being battered and being made to look stupid and politically irreconcilable in this fight.God knows precisely when the new moon comes and so does every other moron, even Nehru and Ugli if they have a computer.

 

But why should an atheist like me not be sure on what day I can expect my Gulab Jamun and Besan Ke Ladoo? Such unfair inconsistencies is certainly not good for everyone!

FM

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