What ideals and struggles? It is an anti PPP party, and partially anti-PNC.
What ideals and struggles? It is an anti PPP party, and partially anti-PNC.
Bai, is nah you seh dis?
". . . They still cling to the PNC like a leech and have no inclination for impartial AFC leanings"
I do believe some are impartial, but some are not. They still carry old baggage.
I do believe some are impartial, but some are not. They still carry old baggage.
. . . confirming that the AFC is just a convenience for use when YOU have nothing and want to score some cheap debate points.
Like I said, "I shudder . . ."
Chief, Like Rawmouthtar has a short memory?
OK. This is a discussion from 2012, and the lead post is mostly bull, lots of bull.
While the PPP is guilty of multitudinous sins too many to name, you cannot say it has practiced racial discrimination as done under Burnham as a matter of state policy. The facts negate such a notion. Today, the PPP is in power but not in office.
It's every race punishing, and I would say the rural Indians suffer the most. There had been no special outreaches to them from the PPP to address their problems and issues.
The PPP Jagdeoite is not an Indian party. It may want Indians to think that. The PPP today is a party of the PPP leadership aligned with the new parasitic, contractor/business class who flaunt their conspicuous consumption. There is very little trickle down to the working poor.
I like the way the Indian canecutters in Berbice went on strike to support the black brother canecutter who slapped the drunkard PPP Skeldon Manager, Dave Kumar. That is working class solidarity, and I think the working poor understand the PPP bosses care for themselves not the poor Black and Indian people. You cannot lose your Marxist framework of analysis, and substitute it with race theories.
So let's support the Coalition. I have sent an initial donation of $100,000 in honor of Bro. Moses and Bro. David. The Coalition is one small step for politics and a giant step for Guyana.
worthy of discussion . . .
now, what "facts" are u talking about?
and, what does "the PPP is in power but not in office" mean?
Can someone please post the Editorial we are talking about?
Can someone please post the Editorial we are talking about?
it is an ignominious matter of public record . . . no need to pick at a stink old sore
http://www.guyanaobservernews....oundingly-condemned/
The sickeningly racist Guyana Chronicle editorial has been thankfully, if not resoundingly, condemned
July 9, 2012
The ago, my wife, who is Afro-Guyanese, joined me in Antigua........... Then she made an observation, biting as it was poignant. I was left anguished and ashamed for my country.
She liked Antigua because βitβs ok to be black hereβ.
I believe that I have always been acutely aware of the challenges of the Afro-Guyanese man and woman in Guyana, never before though, had it been framed with such distressing and intense profundity in my mind.
I suggest that people like Mitwah, Jalil, HM-Redux, Shaitaan, Kzarma, Hay Bharrat, and others who deny the racism against blacks in Guyana in 2015 read this. Why does this woman feel this way.
Furthermore when Jagdeo visited Antigua the Guyanese there told him exactly that. They told him that they feel discriminated against in Antigua because they are Guyanese, and in Guyana because they were black, so he was chatting nonsense when he pretending that he wanted them to return to Guyana.
Note that the Guyanese in Antigua consist heavily of the types of people that are in short supply in Guyana. Teachers and nurses.
The person who reported this in the Guyanese papers was fired, because any discussion of anti black racism in Guyana is taboo.
You see the only narrative of racism allowed in Guyana is of the 'PNC and black savages brutalizing saintly Indians, who of course are so open to their African "brothers and sisters", and confused by this'.
The we have the fake kumba ya expressed by hypocrites like Jay Bharrat. When Hay suggests that Indians had equal access to opportunity to Africans under the Burnham regime, then I will listen to him. Because the PNC was no different in how it treated Indians than is the PPP in how it treats blacks.
And this extended to the ruling elites as well. Indian business elites have no more respect for blacks than does the PPP, and exclude them from the upper echelons, just as did the African elites in the state corporations exclude Indians in the 70s.
the Coalition. I have sent an initial donation of $100,000 in honor of Bro. Moses and Bro. David. The Coalition is one small step for politics and a giant step for Guyana.
Jay you know you are a class hypocrite. How can you support the coalition when the vast majority who do share exactly the SAME opinion of PPP run Guyana as does this woman?
The coalition will be very short lived in people like you call Afro Guyanese stupid for expressing THEIR REALITY of life in PPP run Guyana. I very much doubt that you would have appreciated blacks telling you that life in Guyana in the 70s was no worse for Indians than it was for blacks, and it is only a "coincidence" that, aside from a small number of Indians, Guyana was African led.
How soon we forget that Jagdeo led the PPP twice to defeat at the polls.
caribny posted:Originally Posted by baseman:The issue is that in Guyana (unlike Trinidad) many blacks are educating themselves. Then they graduate and racists like those who commented in the Chronicle display contempt for them.
No wonder, and with all its current problems and hostile attitude to Guyanese a black Guyanese women opined that "at least its OK to be black here".
This after AfroGUyanese told Jagdeo that being Guyanese in Antigua (where they are foreigners) is as bad as being black in Guyana (where they are NOT foreigners.
All the apologists can continue to deny that the Indo elite is trying their best to make AfroGuyanese 3rd class citizens...and then they get caught and pretend otherwise.
Well gentlemen and ladies, Chronicle has spoken and its quite ugly in the open bigotry that was displayed.
Just to revive comments from way back when the PPP felt perfectly free to publish an editorial damning blacks to be violent, lazy, criminal and of no use to Guyana.
And the pressure that Afro Guyanese were under at that time.
This is a discussion that Bibi wants to avoid.
Mars posted:http://www.guyanaobservernews....oundingly-condemned/
The sickeningly racist Guyana Chronicle editorial has been thankfully, if not resoundingly, condemned
July 9, 2012
(By: Imran Khan).
She liked Antigua because βitβs ok to be black hereβ.
I believe that I have always been acutely aware of the challenges of the Afro-Guyanese man and woman in Guyana, never before though, had it been framed with such distressing and intense profundity in my mind.
Those who wish to know are not in doubt that Afro-Guyanese, under this government, have been systematically marginalised and discriminated against. Reference the historic King Kong case for your evidence. There is now a growing sense that there is an intensification of the racial onslaught and that the infancy of an outright attack is being engineered to be waged against our Afro-Guyanese brothers and sisters to incite them.
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The observation of independent minded former Guyanese magistrate Yohhanseh Cave, who now lives and works in the British Virgin Islands strikes at the heart of the persecutors.βThis (the Guyana Chronicle editorial) is just another reason why so many Afro-Guyanese feel disrespected, delegitimised and marginalised in the country of our birth.β
On the one hand Indo-Guyanese are being conditioned to believe that Afro-Guyanese are of no social value and worthy of nothing good. On the other there is a campaign to debase and psychologically repress Afro-Guyanese into third class citizenry and for which they must show content, not contempt.
Both are equally revolting in conception and practice.
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1. Until recently adjusted none of Guyanaβs ambassadors were Afro-Guyanese.
2. Until recently none of the heads of state agencies were Afro-Guyanese.
3. The Berbice Bridge was deliberately located away from New Amsterdam, an area where Afro-Guyanese live. It has been argued that this being to purposefully spite the Afro-Guyanese community, disallowing them from being economic benefactors of this investment.
4. Afro-Guyanese are allocated lots mostly in the decidedly low-income housing schemes such as Parfait Harmonie on the West Bank of Demerara (and far removed from their places of employment).
5. .mic slavery.
βThe revolution is not an apple that falls when it is ripe. You have to make it fall.β β Ernesto βCheβ Guevara
Bibi, baseman, billyram and all the others who scream that the PPP isn't as racist as the PNC was under Burnham. Where are you?
Come on. I want to be amused by the insults that you all throw at this Indian guy because he exposes the truth about the PPP.
Bibi go show your pics of Jagdeo instead of discussing this fact.
Carib, Carib, CARIBNY......I was asking for the actual editorial, not Imran Khan's take on things (which includes a reference to the editorial). Also let's see the PPP office holder who stated the thing about Blacks not being competent for Ambassador position. Once we get these in a separate thread, we'll hold Bibi to the fire.
Imran Khan provides a very comprehensive analysis about Afro Guyanese (professionals that is) under the PPP.
I suggest that you read it. It sets the context for that Chronicle editorial.
http://www.kaieteurnewsonline....ies-and-land-awards/
Roger Luncheon said that there were no AfroGuyanese qualified to get an Ambassadorial posting.
.Luncheon was unable to answer questions that formed the basis of Jagdeo being called an institutional racist. Included was the paucity of Africans in leadership slots on state corporations, commissions and boards.
I will challenge Bibi to question the credentials of the heads of mission that have now been appointed. High caliber people. While one can argue that Indians are under represented at least 3 have good slots to Canada, Wash DC and China.
Bibi refuses to engage in this conversation as she too cannot defend Jagdeo other than showing pics of him wandering the cricket ground looking for black flesh.
Bibi remains in terror, refusing to see how bad life was for blacks under Jagdeo.
caribny posted:Bibi remains in terror, refusing to see how bad life was for blacks under Jagdeo.
More blacks gained economic growth under BJ more than any other leader in Guyana's history. Go to Golden Grove and see dem Nice house and fancy SUVs park up in the driveway.
He even build Dr CC Nicholson Memorial Hospital for the residents of Golden Grove, Nabaclis, and Buxton. They have brand new gas station, supermarket, and church. Burnham left a dump for them.
Go check it out before you pi$$ you pants again!!
I remember reports of remittances being over US$100 million. I wonder how much of the physical improvements to properties are attributed to this source of income or due to government raising the income levels of Guyanese. SUVs and nice houses in places like Golden Grove are because of an economic boom, the PPP's largesse in handing out goodies to its citizens or remittances?
Why is our new PM, M. Nagamotoo refusing to take questions from the audience in NY??? What is he afraid of?? He has the secret service protecting him. No one is going to hurt him.
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:Why is our new PM, M. Nagamotoo refusing to take questions from the audience in NY??? What is he afraid of?? He has the secret service protecting him. No one is going to hurt him.
Why are you and Bibi afraid to read exactly about the racism that blacks faced under the PPP.
Bibi Haniffa posted:caribny posted:Bibi remains in terror, refusing to see how bad life was for blacks under Jagdeo.
More blacks gained economic growth under BJ more than any other leader in Guyana's history. Go to Golden Grove and see dem Nice house and fancy SUVs park up in the driveway.
He even build Dr CC Nicholson Memorial Hospital for the residents of Golden Grove, Nabaclis, and Buxton. They have brand new gas station, supermarket, and church. Burnham left a dump for them.
Go check it out before you pi$$ you pants again!!
So some Indians amassed wealth under Burnham. All praises to him right.
Supposed some people find ways to survive even in a system which is designed to make them fail.
If blacks did so well under the PPP because of PPP policies then why did they feel so glad to see the end of the PPP last year. The streets were packed with celebrating blacks yelling "we free" just as they did on August 1 1834 when slavery ended.
You sound like that Republican who said that slaves were well fed and housed. Black people tell you that they were humiliated, you scream "you ungrateful negroes, look how much we did for you".
As to PPP projects. Well Buxtonians complained loudly that when the PPP put projects in those black villages that they used PPP contractors who refused to hire local blacks, except to bring water.
And the SUVs. Well thank God for Barbados and Brooklyn because THAT is what funded what ever those people had. NOT the PPP.
As to Buxton. I have relatives in that village. Its USA and Barbados $$$ that built those homes as large numbers of people who actually live there are unemployed.
Now go back to posting pics with Jagdeo hunting for black men. Like many racists he admires black brawn, not black brain, because he certainly squeezed them out of the highest echelons of leadership, except in the GDF and GPF where few Indians were available. Cheddi was bad enough but Jagdeo was HORRENDOUS!
You would have looked less ridiculous if you read that Imran Khan article and the one where Luncheon boasts that there were no blacks qualified to be ambassadors and that almost none were fit to lead government agencies. But you wouldn't dare get into that, while you scream that Granger hasn't maintained a 90% Indo leadership that the PPP had.
caribny posted:Billy Ram Balgobin posted:Why is our new PM, M. Nagamotoo refusing to take questions from the audience in NY??? What is he afraid of?? He has the secret service protecting him. No one is going to hurt him.
Why are you and Bibi afraid to read exactly about the racism that blacks faced under the PPP.
Blowing things out of proportion and making charges of racism without facts is a full-time occupation for you. Do you get paid for doing this????
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:caribny posted:Billy Ram Balgobin posted:Why is our new PM, M. Nagamotoo refusing to take questions from the audience in NY??? What is he afraid of?? He has the secret service protecting him. No one is going to hurt him.
Why are you and Bibi afraid to read exactly about the racism that blacks faced under the PPP.
Blowing things out of proportion and making charges of racism without facts is a full-time occupation for you. Do you get paid for doing this????
BillyB bai, guh drink some senna pod. It will cleanse your system.
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:Blowing things out of proportion and making charges of racism without facts is a full-time occupation for you. Do you get paid for doing this????
Funny you scream all day about racist PNC!
Don't respond to me.
Respond to Imran Khan. He cited many blacks who had loads to say.
Respond to Nigel Hughes, who queried the almost complete absence of blacks from top leadership spots aside from the armed forces.
Help out Luncheon, who couldn't name too many blacks heading state owned corporations, committees and commissions and who was forced to admit that the PPP didn't think that blacks weren't qualified to be appointed as ambassador.
Also tell us the thinking behind the racist Chronicle where they screamed much as the lot of you do about violent, lazy and criminal blacks (even as almost daily Indians are being arrested for violent criminal behavior).
I can also claim that YOU are blowing things out of proportion.
So let is look at the facts. In 2011 there were no APPOINTED black Ambassadors. Now there are 4 Indians out of 10. Canada, USA, China, and Cuba. NONE of these being shabby postings. In fact THREE out of the 5 most important postings (USA, Canada, UK, EU, and China) are posts occupied by INDIANS.
Yet you all want to run to the UN screaming Indo Holocaust. They will run you just like Canada ran those Indians screaming Holocaust when they wanted refugee status for Canada in the late 80s.
Is Clarissa Indian? The woman look mixed, though no putagee traces is noticeable.
seignet posted:Is Clarissa Indian? The woman look mixed, though no putagee traces is noticeable.
She is Indian. Maybe not 100%.
redux posted:Originally Posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:A group of people who controls the military, police, judiciary, now legislative power in the parliament does not pass the test of being marginalized. I did not even mention the mayorships in various towns and the vast outrageous number of Afros employed by the gov't.
The CYNICISM is awesome . . .; but, more to the point, your CONTEMPT for Black people is downright dangerous!
BRB has been exposed.
Eh Eh, like you ran out of glue for your cut and paste. You are now digging up garbage from 2012. Keep recycling, it looks good on you.
yuji22 posted:Eh Eh, like you ran out of glue for your cut and paste. You are now digging up garbage from 2012. Keep recycling, it looks good on you.
You make no sense.
Demerara Guy and the Chief "brother in Islam" Hamiltone Greene would have been Emperor Henri Christophe (the second) of Guyana if it was not for them racist koolies.
yuji22 posted:Eh Eh, like you ran out of glue for your cut and paste. You are now digging up garbage from 2012. Keep recycling, it looks good on you.
It merely shows that what the PPP wishes folks to forget resurfaces.
caribny posted:Billy Ram Balgobin posted:Blowing things out of proportion and making charges of racism without facts is a full-time occupation for you. Do you get paid for doing this????
Funny you scream all day about racist PNC!
Don't respond to me.
Respond to Imran Khan. He cited many blacks who had loads to say.
Respond to Nigel Hughes, who queried the almost complete absence of blacks from top leadership spots aside from the armed forces.
Help out Luncheon, who couldn't name too many blacks heading state owned corporations, committees and commissions and who was forced to admit that the PPP didn't think that blacks weren't qualified to be appointed as ambassador.
Also tell us the thinking behind the racist Chronicle where they screamed much as the lot of you do about violent, lazy and criminal blacks (even as almost daily Indians are being arrested for violent criminal behavior).
I can also claim that YOU are blowing things out of proportion.
So let is look at the facts. In 2011 there were no APPOINTED black Ambassadors. Now there are 4 Indians out of 10. Canada, USA, China, and Cuba. NONE of these being shabby postings. In fact THREE out of the 5 most important postings (USA, Canada, UK, EU, and China) are posts occupied by INDIANS.
Yet you all want to run to the UN screaming Indo Holocaust. They will run you just like Canada ran those Indians screaming Holocaust when they wanted refugee status for Canada in the late 80s.
The PPP screams racism and call any discussion of their own racism to be a racist attack.