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Extra US$8M spent on GPL V/Hoop plant

JANUARY 18, 2014 | BY  | FILED UNDER NEWS 

…CEO says dumped sand disappeared overnight in swamp, and this continued for months

Prime Minister Samuel Hinds and top brass of the Guyana Power and Light Inc (GPL) yesterday toured the construction site of the company’s latest generation plant at Vreed-en-Hoop, along with members of the media, and it was disclosed that the project is just about 20 per cent complete and will see cost overruns in the vicinity of US$8M.

GPL CEO Bharrat Dindyal explains the operations of the plant during the tour.

GPL CEO Bharrat Dindyal explains the operations of the plant during the tour.

GPL’s Chief Executive Officer (CEO), Bharrat Dindyal, in providing an update, said that the increase in the cost is related to the civil works and not the Warstila Contract which remains at US$26M.
Dindyal said given the nature of the soil there had to be a significant amount of work to be done, more than had been envisaged. He reiterated that when GPL first took possession of the site, it was a swamp.
In explaining the soil conditions and what they had to deal with, Dindyal said that when the contractors for the foundation first arrived on the site, their equipment immediately began sinking.
Dindyal said that they decided to dump sand, but this would disappear overnight into the swamp and this went on for months.

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Originally Posted by Nehru:

And I don't think they knew the swamp wAS AS DEEP.

They now know that after US$8M cost over run and 20% completion. Can you imagine what the cost overrun would have been under these incompetent ninconpoops for the Amaila Falls project. 

Mitwah
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by Nehru:

And I don't think they knew the swamp wAS AS DEEP.

They now know that after US$8M cost over run and 20% completion. Can you imagine what the cost overrun would have been under these incompetent ninconpoops for the Amaila Falls project. 

I have to agree with you. There seems to be a few Nincompoops in the group. I thought Engineers would have tested the Site prior to approving the site.

Nehru
Originally Posted by Nehru:
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by Nehru:

And I don't think they knew the swamp wAS AS DEEP.

They now know that after US$8M cost over run and 20% completion. Can you imagine what the cost overrun would have been under these incompetent ninconpoops for the Amaila Falls project. 

I have to agree with you. There seems to be a few Nincompoops in the group. I thought Engineers would have tested the Site prior to approving the site.

not only tested it but if they knew the foundation was unstable they could use different building strategy. In Dubai they build skyscrapers on sand by planting deep pylons to create a self sustaining stable foundation. The Taj was build in a swamp on wooden pylons and it is still standing.

FM
Dindyal said given the nature of the soil there had to be a significant amount of work to be done, more than had been envisaged. He reiterated that when GPL first took possession of the site, it was a swamp.


In explaining the soil conditions and what they had to deal with, Dindyal said that when the contractors for the foundation first arrived on the site, their equipment immediately began sinking.


Dindyal said that they decided to dump sand, but this would disappear overnight into the swamp and this went on for months.

 

Extra US$8M spent on GPL V/Hoop plant

JANUARY 18, 2014, BY  FILED UNDER NEWS

There are conditions in all contracts, worldwide, that include separate and distinct clauses which cover unforeseen situations, especially foundation issues and conditions.

 

Basically, payments are higher, for they are considered as "day-works" and are separate from the general rates of the contract.

FM
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Dindyal said given the nature of the soil there had to be a significant amount of work to be done, more than had been envisaged. He reiterated that when GPL first took possession of the site, it was a swamp.


In explaining the soil conditions and what they had to deal with, Dindyal said that when the contractors for the foundation first arrived on the site, their equipment immediately began sinking.


Dindyal said that they decided to dump sand, but this would disappear overnight into the swamp and this went on for months.

 

Extra US$8M spent on GPL V/Hoop plant

JANUARY 18, 2014, BY  FILED UNDER NEWS

There are conditions in all contracts, worldwide, that include separate and distinct clauses which cover unforeseen situations, especially foundation issues and conditions.

 

Basically, payments are higher, for they are considered as "day-works" and are separate from the general rates of the contract.

as an engineer, don't you think proper testing should have been done first?

FM
Originally Posted by raymond:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Dindyal said given the nature of the soil there had to be a significant amount of work to be done, more than had been envisaged. He reiterated that when GPL first took possession of the site, it was a swamp.


In explaining the soil conditions and what they had to deal with, Dindyal said that when the contractors for the foundation first arrived on the site, their equipment immediately began sinking.


Dindyal said that they decided to dump sand, but this would disappear overnight into the swamp and this went on for months.

 

Extra US$8M spent on GPL V/Hoop plant

JANUARY 18, 2014, BY  FILED UNDER NEWS

There are conditions in all contracts, worldwide, that include separate and distinct clauses which cover unforeseen situations, especially foundation issues and conditions.

 

Basically, payments are higher, for they are considered as "day-works" and are separate from the general rates of the contract.

as an engineer, don't you think proper testing should have been done first?

Adequate testing indeed are made prior to the finalization of a contract and, as I have stated, the "day-works" clauses are included, world-wide, in all contracts.

FM

I understand that there are clauses in every contract for all contingencies, but if a reliable test was done, it seem that this problem could have been avoided. There is already an US8 million overrun at this point in the project, seems to be that the overall cost would be double by the time this project is completed. 

WHich nincompoop would put a clause in a contract for the cost to be double by the time the project is complete...maybe you would

FM
Originally Posted by raymond:

I understand that there are clauses in every contract for all contingencies, but if a reliable test was done, it seem that this problem could have been avoided.

Regardless of the number of foundation tests at a site, there are ALWAYS unforeseen issues, and hence "day-works" clauses are in each contract.

FM
Originally Posted by raymond:

WHich nincompoop would put a clause in a contract for the cost to be double by the time the project is complete ...

Simply do your research on the execution of projects; world-wide, including the US_of_A; you will find that there are indeed numerous situations where the final amount paid for the works are more than double the initial tendered amounts.

FM
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by raymond:

WHich nincompoop would put a clause in a contract for the cost to be double by the time the project is complete ...

Simply do your research on the execution of projects; world-wide, including the US_of_A; you will find that there are indeed numerous situations where the final amount paid for the works are more than double the initial tendered amounts.

provide proof since you're making the claim

FM
Last edited by Former Member
Originally Posted by raymond:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by raymond:

WHich nincompoop would put a clause in a contract for the cost to be double by the time the project is complete ...

Simply do your research on the execution of projects; world-wide, including the US_of_A; you will find that there are indeed numerous situations where the final amount paid for the works are more than double the initial tendered amounts.

provide proof since you're making the claim

Simply, do your personal research. You made the statement about the clause.

FM
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by raymond:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by raymond:

WHich nincompoop would put a clause in a contract for the cost to be double by the time the project is complete ...

Simply do your research on the execution of projects; world-wide, including the US_of_A; you will find that there are indeed numerous situations where the final amount paid for the works are more than double the initial tendered amounts.

provide proof since you're making the claim

Simply, do your personal research. You made the statement about the clause.

you f-ucking thief

FM
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by raymond:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by raymond:

WHich nincompoop would put a clause in a contract for the cost to be double by the time the project is complete ...

Simply do your research on the execution of projects; world-wide, including the US_of_A; you will find that there are indeed numerous situations where the final amount paid for the works are more than double the initial tendered amounts.

provide proof since you're making the claim

Simply, do your personal research. You made the statement about the clause.

you first made the claim that contracts all over the world have such a clause that projects could be double the cost...so provide the proof of your claim ( we all know that you tend to talk out of your ass)

 

All I said is only a nincompoop would accept such a a clause in a contract

 

 

FM
Last edited by Former Member
Originally Posted by warrior:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by raymond:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by raymond:

WHich nincompoop would put a clause in a contract for the cost to be double by the time the project is complete ...

Simply do your research on the execution of projects; world-wide, including the US_of_A; you will find that there are indeed numerous situations where the final amount paid for the works are more than double the initial tendered amounts.

provide proof since you're making the claim

Simply, do your personal research. You made the statement about the clause.

you f-ucking thief

When an Uneducated Chap is drunk wid cheal White Rum Dem does think Dem ah Einstein.

Nehru
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by raymond:

I understand that there are clauses in every contract for all contingencies, but if a reliable test was done, it seem that this problem could have been avoided.

Regardless of the number of foundation tests at a site, there are ALWAYS unforeseen issues, and hence "day-works" clauses are in each contract.

Where did you purchase your engineering degree?

Mitwah
Originally Posted by Nehru:
Originally Posted by warrior:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by raymond:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by raymond:

WHich nincompoop would put a clause in a contract for the cost to be double by the time the project is complete ...

Simply do your research on the execution of projects; world-wide, including the US_of_A; you will find that there are indeed numerous situations where the final amount paid for the works are more than double the initial tendered amounts.

provide proof since you're making the claim

Simply, do your personal research. You made the statement about the clause.

you f-ucking thief

When an Uneducated Chap is drunk wid cheal White Rum Dem does think Dem ah Einstein.

i am uneducated alright but not drunk,the dumbest businessman will not build nothing on a swamp land,this the best scamp yet.first they buy a swamp land from somebody and you fools can guess who they brought the land from,ops a ppp comrade,and a engineer okay to build a project of this magnitude on a swamp land

FM
Originally Posted by raymond:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by raymond:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by raymond:

WHich nincompoop would put a clause in a contract for the cost to be double by the time the project is complete ...

Simply do your research on the execution of projects; world-wide, including the US_of_A; you will find that there are indeed numerous situations where the final amount paid for the works are more than double the initial tendered amounts.

provide proof since you're making the claim

Simply, do your personal research. You made the statement about the clause.

you first made the claim that contracts all over the world have such a clause that projects could be double the cost...so provide the proof of your claim ( we all know that you tend to talk out of your ass)

 

All I said is only a nincompoop would accept such a a clause in a contract

Perhaps, also the owners/managers in the UK, US_of_A, Europe, etc.; who always ensure that these clauses are in the contracts; do not know what they are doing?

FM
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by raymond:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by raymond:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by raymond:

WHich nincompoop would put a clause in a contract for the cost to be double by the time the project is complete ...

Simply do your research on the execution of projects; world-wide, including the US_of_A; you will find that there are indeed numerous situations where the final amount paid for the works are more than double the initial tendered amounts.

provide proof since you're making the claim

Simply, do your personal research. You made the statement about the clause.

you first made the claim that contracts all over the world have such a clause that projects could be double the cost...so provide the proof of your claim ( we all know that you tend to talk out of your ass)

 

All I said is only a nincompoop would accept such a a clause in a contract

Perhaps, also the owners/managers in the UK, US_of_A, Europe, etc.; who always ensure that these clauses are in the contracts; do not know what they are doing?

fool no way in any other country beside guyana will a company build some thing of this magnitude in a swamp 

FM
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by raymond:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by raymond:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by raymond:

WHich nincompoop would put a clause in a contract for the cost to be double by the time the project is complete ...

Simply do your research on the execution of projects; world-wide, including the US_of_A; you will find that there are indeed numerous situations where the final amount paid for the works are more than double the initial tendered amounts.

provide proof since you're making the claim

Simply, do your personal research. You made the statement about the clause.

you first made the claim that contracts all over the world have such a clause that projects could be double the cost...so provide the proof of your claim ( we all know that you tend to talk out of your ass)

 

All I said is only a nincompoop would accept such a a clause in a contract

Perhaps, also the owners/managers in the UK, US_of_A, Europe, etc.; who always ensure that these clauses are in the contracts; do not know what they are doing?

stop talking shit and provide proof

FM

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