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When you frame a discussion on relationship with race identification you assert a basic position - I am coming from a purely race perspective. Nohing else matters.

 

Even from a race perspective, the "Indian" that is being talked about in Guyana is not Indian at all. Indian as a race includes Muslims, Untouchables, Sikhs and so on in addition to Hindus. I t also includes Brahmins as well as Chatris and other Hindus like the Untouchables.

 

I've been watching the PBS series "Indian Summer" and you see the machinations in the 1930s and the impact on the "Indians". The Brahmins and Rajputs wanted no truck with untouchables. The Muslims were not to be trusted. And so on and so on.

 

This is why when Guyanese of Indian origin speak of being not an Indian (though they clearly are, even if dark-skinned) but of Guyanese, they are not decrying their Indian origin. They are merely saying that as a Madrasi or Muslim or a lower (sic) caste they are paying cognizance to how an Indian (Brahmins and upper caste) treat another Indian (Muslim, Sikhs, Madrasis and Untouchables).

 

so it's time to quit this dialog of someone claiming to be Guyanese and not Indian. Aren't we all Guyanese?

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Originally Posted by cain:

Oh Ohhhh, if hasn't happened as yet to him, kari has now joined the ranks of the Dirty Indian, oh my goodness.

A badge I proudly wear. I am as more Indian that a lot of those espousing Indian-ness; but I am comfortable in my skin to say I'm Guyanese first (and American). I may not understand all the glorious Indian stuff but I have a better understanding of the Indian condition than those who would want to call others self-hating Indians. After all I am an Indian Muslim, not one of those caste-based people.

Kari
Originally Posted by Kari:

When you frame a discussion on relationship with race identification you assert a basic position - I am coming from a purely race perspective. Nohing else matters.

 

Even from a race perspective, the "Indian" that is being talked about in Guyana is not Indian at all. Indian as a race includes Muslims, Untouchables, Sikhs and so on in addition to Hindus. I t also includes Brahmins as well as Chatris and other Hindus like the Untouchables.

 

I've been watching the PBS series "Indian Summer" and you see the machinations in the 1930s and the impact on the "Indians". The Brahmins and Rajputs wanted no truck with untouchables. The Muslims were not to be trusted. And so on and so on.

 

This is why when Guyanese of Indian origin speak of being not an Indian (though they clearly are, even if dark-skinned) but of Guyanese, they are not decrying their Indian origin. They are merely saying that as a Madrasi or Muslim or a lower (sic) caste they are paying cognizance to how an Indian (Brahmins and upper caste) treat another Indian (Muslim, Sikhs, Madrasis and Untouchables).

 

so it's time to quit this dialog of someone claiming to be Guyanese and not Indian. Aren't we all Guyanese?

You better walk through RH in nondescript mode. Those Hindutva guys are not easy. You just joined the rank of a defector and traitor to the indian consciousness movement. 

FM
Originally Posted by Stormborn:

You better walk through RH in nondescript mode. Those Hindutva guys are not easy. You just joined the rank of a defector and traitor to the indian consciousness movement. 

I'll be at the Diwali Parade. In fact I was part of the group that was instrumental in getting the QC of Guyana Alumni Association, NY Chapter to donate the 3rd prize of $300 and to have a booth at the Cheddi Jagan Square.

 

Don't forget I used to be on those floats filming and commenting on (for Spotlight TV) the Phagwah parade.

 

Richmond Hill is in my backyard. I have no problems walking down there.

Kari
Originally Posted by Kari:
Originally Posted by Bibi Haniffa:

Kari I am so glad you are Indian.  I was trying to figure that out and wasn't sure.  Welcome home bro. I thought you were listening to Shakespeare when he said, "Deny thy father and refuse thy name."

You and carinby are strange bedfellows.

Actually you and bibi are.  But for the attacks on Moses for his comments "I am not an Indian" you wouldn't even broach this topic. 

 

You would insist that "blacks understand the position of Indians and should grovel to beg their forgiveness".  The implication of course being that our ethnically based political and socio economic dysfunction is due 100% to blacks.  And that it is ONLY the blacks who must take corrective steps, like apologizing to Indians.

 

And you racialized this by screaming last year that the PNC should apologize to Indians.  Well they didn't.

 

Like bibi and the rest, you are quick to talk about what Burnham did, but loathe to discuss what Cheddi, Jagdeo and Ramotar did.

FM
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Originally Posted by Kari:
Originally Posted by cain:

Oh Ohhhh, if hasn't happened as yet to him, kari has now joined the ranks of the Dirty Indian, oh my goodness.

A badge I proudly wear. I am as more Indian that a lot of those espousing Indian-ness; but I am comfortable in my skin to say I'm Guyanese first (and American). I may not understand all the glorious Indian stuff but I have a better understanding of the Indian condition than those who would want to call others self-hating Indians. After all I am an Indian Muslim, not one of those caste-based people.

Those Caste based people dont strap Bombs hoping to get 100 Virgins, only IDIOTS do so!

Nehru
Originally Posted by Nehru:
Originally Posted by Kari:
Originally Posted by cain:

Oh Ohhhh, if hasn't happened as yet to him, kari has now joined the ranks of the Dirty Indian, oh my goodness.

A badge I proudly wear. I am as more Indian that a lot of those espousing Indian-ness; but I am comfortable in my skin to say I'm Guyanese first (and American). I may not understand all the glorious Indian stuff but I have a better understanding of the Indian condition than those who would want to call others self-hating Indians. After all I am an Indian Muslim, not one of those caste-based people.

Those Caste based people dont strap Bombs hoping to get 100 Virgins, only IDIOTS do so!

This is exactly why Batoram is wrong. Among Indians themselves there are differing self concept.

FM
Originally Posted by ksazma:
Originally Posted by caribny:
 

Like bibi and the rest, you are quick to talk about what Burnham did, but loathe to discuss what Cheddi, Jagdeo and Ramotar did.

I think their talk about what Burnham did is offset by your talk of what Cheddie, Jagdeo and Ramotar did. So what is the problem?

Caribj blames Burnham, Cheddie, Jagdeo and Ramotar.

 

You Kari, VVP, and the Indo KKK blame Burnham only.

 

Do you see the difference?  No.  Because the whole bunch of you are enraged that I don't confine the blame to Burnham and join your "bad black man, good Indian" nonsense.

 

To summarize Kari. "blacks have to understand what Indians went through".  Note that he doesn't make the same suggestion that Indians have to understand what blacks went through.

 

It is amazing the levels of overt and covert racism against blacks exists in GNI. Overt by the Indo KKK.  Covert by the rest of you who endorse their behavior by your silence, that is until they start molesting Nagamootoo, and then Kari begins to scream at them.

FM
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