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I hate to have to remind you all, but you must never forget Guyana under the PNC from the Indo perspective. I don't want to play the race card as it's not beneficial for anyone. This was not a planned letter so please forgive and structural, grammatical or other imperfections.

Anyway, let me explain some thoughts and feelings from the heart. Understand, the average Indian over say 35 have a great fear of the PNC at the helm of power. You have to understand what occured pre-1992 and continued until 2006. The issue of PNC racist brutality against Indians (especially men) went from top, to the security forces, all the way to the man in the street. I cannot even begin to tell you the fear and hatred which was conjured up when we saw with our own eyes the brutality against our own and there was nothing we could do. Not only did we experience and witness street brutality, but we had even more fear when we turned to the security forces for help and representation.

Here are a few examples which close friends/relatives or myself were witness to. These are few examples, but it represents a microcosm of our experience under the PNC:

1. In Vreed-En-Hoop, 1979 an Indian guy punched an Afro who tried to grab his gold chain. About six of his Afro choke-and-rob brothers pounced on the Indo guy, beat him till he was down, the police came, the Afro guy told the police he was attacked, the police asked no questions but instead proceeded to beat the Indo guy on the ground with his baton, then proceeded to arrest him as a trouble maker.

2. On Sheriff Street, two Indian guys had an accident with an Afro-driven auto. A group of Hammie goons from Camp Town was hanging out and proceeded to beat the Indian guys, both of whom were injured from the accident. The police stood by.

3. An uncle of mine had a close call with his auto on Sheriff Street with an Afro-driven car, both vehicles came to a stop, no accident. The Afro guy jumped out and punched my uncle in the face breaking his glasses and just drove off as if it’s business as usual. And BTW the Afro guy was wrong as he tried to overtake even though my uncle had his turn signal on.

4. I also saw first-hand the abuses occurring at Timehri airport against Indians, especially male. I saw on old guy objected at the abuse and humiliation just to have several police officers pounced on him, beat him, dragged him into a separate building and continued to beat him. The son tried to intervene just to have several police officers rushed and beat him also. His wife and daughters were all left to cry outside.

Between 1992 and 2006 Afros continued with their acts of impunity. It is noteworthy that a guy called Waddel could openly call for violence against Indians, where the Buxton FFs could openly exhort their 2 for 1 policy, where Buxtonians were allowed to roam and Indians kill at will. A philosophy where the PNC leadership felt free to taunt their majority Afro supporters to embrace “slo-faya mo-faya. A mindset where, not so long ago, Fineman saw it fit to slaughter Indians with extreme prejudice over his missing girlfriend. These days cannot be allowed to return and, unfortunately, the average Indian see the PPP as their only safety net against such a recurrence.

My man, I don’t wish to bore you but this is what’s in the psyche of Indians and why they feel so strongly. 23 years may have passed since the PNC rule ended but much of these abuses are as fresh and raw as yesterday. So when you say Indians don’t give anyone else a chance like the Afros are willing to, well understand the thinking and risk many Indians see when they imagine a PNC power structure returning to power. We were not even allowed to eat properly without a PNC card to get “scarce” items from the KSI. Indians were abused in every facet of life all the way to the point of leaving Timehri airport. Our greatest relief was to know the plane we were on entered T&T airspace, only then were we free from a lifetime of abuse.

Between institutional racism, goons, police racism, street racism, plain bullies, life for the average Indian was unbearable, humiliating and fearful. We existed in an apartheid society which offered no apologies and knew little limits.

I would however, like to add that there were many decent Afros who did not subscribe to the doings of the core majority and the PNC. Many would prefer to see a different Guyana but fell victim to herd mentality and survival of the fittest as the pie got smaller and smaller or themselves became victims. Many of us can attest to afros who paid a price for standing up for justice.

On the other hand, I do not subscribe to the philosophy of retribution as two wrongs never make it right. Many of us hear the voice of Nigel Hughs and do feel the pain of feeling powerless and almost dispossessed. His voice and emotions brought back the emotions many of us Indians felt under the PNC. The big question, how do we make it right for all under one nation.

As you see, I have not even attempted to refer to the 60’s.

 

LONG LIVE THE PPP, LONG LIVE THE INDIAN, LONG LIVE FREEDOM FROM TYRANY.  WE SHALL NEVER RETURN TO THE PAST.

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Don't see the point. The safest period for Indians was 1985 to 1992. I am fine with a Desmond Persaud. PPP has been a disaster for the masses of Indos. Yes a few got rich, but so too did a minority under Burnham.

FM
Originally Posted by baseman:
. . . LONG LIVE THE PPP, LONG LIVE THE INDIAN, LONG LIVE FREEDOM FROM TYRANY.  WE SHALL NEVER RETURN TO THE PAST.

ole bigot wannabe smartman like u never really 'retire'

 

welcome 'back' baseman . . . it's like u never left

FM
Originally Posted by TK:

Don't see the point. The safest period for Indians was 1985 to 1992. I am fine with a Desmond Persaud. PPP has been a disaster for the masses of Indos. Yes a few got rich, but so too did a minority under Burnham.

You wouldn't, you hope to become the latest of the 1% who was the PNC smoke-screen to hide their quasi-apartheid practices.

FM
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Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by TK:

Don't see the point. The safest period for Indians was 1985 to 1992. I am fine with a Desmond Persaud. PPP has been a disaster for the masses of Indos. Yes a few got rich, but so too did a minority under Burnham.

You wouldn't, you hope to become the latest of the 1% who was the PNC smoke-screen for their quasi-apartheid practices.

Dude...I could be in the 1% on the c00lie side. But I choose civilization.

FM

Baseman

welcome back my friend.....

 

should I forget the record of

Lamumba, Kwame, Hamilton,

Kit Nascimento, Norman McClean,

Edgehill, Witicka and Bynoe

and Keep Voting for the PPP.

 

Or should I distance myself

from those Black Thugs,

Killers, Rapist,

Kick-down-door Bandits

and Ballot Box Thieves?????

FM
Originally Posted by TK:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by TK:

Don't see the point. The safest period for Indians was 1985 to 1992. I am fine with a Desmond Persaud. PPP has been a disaster for the masses of Indos. Yes a few got rich, but so too did a minority under Burnham.

You wouldn't, you hope to become the latest of the 1% who was the PNC smoke-screen for their quasi-apartheid practices.

Dude...I could be in the 1% on the c00lie side. But I choose civilization.

Yea, yea, we know, don't we.

FM
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by TK:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by TK:

Don't see the point. The safest period for Indians was 1985 to 1992. I am fine with a Desmond Persaud. PPP has been a disaster for the masses of Indos. Yes a few got rich, but so too did a minority under Burnham.

You wouldn't, you hope to become the latest of the 1% who was the PNC smoke-screen for their quasi-apartheid practices.

Dude...I could be in the 1% on the c00lie side. But I choose civilization.

Yea, yea, we know, don't we.

Dude...go hug and give Rima a big kiss pon she cheek...ok.

FM

Welcome my friend, Baseman. Thank you for showing up after a long time. I also want to thank you for maintaining your position. Let's make sure the PNC never regain power in Guyana. 

FM
Originally Posted by Cobra:

Welcome my friend, Baseman. Thank you for showing up after a long time. I also want to thank you for maintaining your position. Let's make sure the PNC never regain power in Guyana. 

I have many friends who are residents of the U.S.A. that are going back to vote for the PPP. I am working very hard to get there dedicated guys and girls to make that trip just to put the PNC where they belong.

FM
Originally Posted by Cobra:

Welcome my friend, Baseman. Thank you for showing up after a long time. I also want to thank you for maintaining your position. Let's make sure the PNC never regain power in Guyana. 

The PPP needs to improve however, those who think the PNC has turned into some benign caring for all party is in for a rude shock.  The PNC's desires are there, alive and well.  This was their mantra in 2011.

FM
Why is it that these Afro bandits  only beat up and buggah all you effeminate Ghandites type? I'm one a dese 35+ coolies yuh speak of but have no such terror related Nancy stories Baselesshoman, Worm and Kneerust vividly remembers
FM
Originally Posted by TK:

Don't see the point. The safest period for Indians was 1985 to 1992. I am fine with a Desmond Persaud. PPP has been a disaster for the masses of Indos. Yes a few got rich, but so too did a minority under Burnham.

This is factually incorrect.  The worst period for East Indians was between 1985-1988.  Yes thing really changed for the better after than.  Desmond Hoyte lorded over the worst rigging of elections in 1985, even worst than Burnham.

 

East Indians were on their knees after than.  People were running even to Venezuela after than.  

FM

But Baseman come here with his racist ranting.

 

Yes much wrong was done to East Indians under the PNC rule, but how much MORE was not done under this Jagdeo rule.  Yes Jagdeo rule since Ramotar is nothing but a Jagdeo PUPPET.

 

The wealth of the East Indian community - sugar - was bankrupted by the PPP scrunts all because they wanted to build a mansion and a bigger mansion with the payoff from the Chinee (Skeldon Factory).

 

FM
Originally Posted by GT Stingaa:
Why is it that these Afro bandits  only beat up and buggah all you effeminate Ghandites type? I'm one a dese 35+ coolies yuh speak of but have no such terror related Nancy stories Baselesshoman, Worm and Kneerust vividly remembers

You does ENJOY when they BUGGERED you. I have no problem with that, you like it and welcome the KAAAK.

Nehru

WElcome back Baseman. I also have many stories but I will share only one.  I was sitting at back bench Strand Cinema waiting for Django to start. Cinema full, a AfroGuyanese came in and could not find a seat. He shouted, well wan COOLIE gat to get up. He pulled an Indian out of his seat gave him a few slaps and took the seat.  No one said a word. As you said, business as usual.

Nehru
Originally Posted by baseman:

I hate to have to remind you all, but you must never forget Guyana under the PNC from the Indo perspective. I don't want to play the race card as it's not beneficial for anyone. This was not a planned letter so please forgive and structural, grammatical or other imperfections....

 

LONG LIVE THE PPP, LONG LIVE THE INDIAN, LONG LIVE FREEDOM FROM TYRANY.  WE SHALL NEVER RETURN TO THE PAST.

You cannot be living so much in the past you lost your way to the future.  The PPP is lost. They are lost functionally, morally and to that end of no value to our society.

 

And dummy, how often must I say what should be obvious to smart people. The past cannot be replicated. Actually, the seminal questions asked in pre history about human needs remain the same then as now. It is how they are being answered that matters and presently the PPP are lost on that question. They do not answer any question just fulfill their greedy inclinations.

FM
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Originally Posted by baseman:

I hate to have to remind you all, but you must never forget Guyana under the PNC from the Indo perspective. I don't want to play the race card as it's not beneficial for anyone...LONG LIVE THE INDIAN, LONG LIVE FREEDOM FROM TYRANY.  WE SHALL NEVER RETURN TO THE PAST.

http://images.sodahead.com/profiles/0/0/1/0/0/8/0/8/9/hbebe-110823432011.jpeg

FM
Originally Posted by Nehru:

. . . I was sitting at back bench Strand Cinema waiting for Django to start. Cinema full, a AfroGuyanese came in and could not find a seat. He shouted, well wan COOLIE gat to get up. He pulled an Indian out of his seat gave him a few slaps and took the seat.  No one said a word. As you said, business as usual.

nehru, it stands to reason that you gave up your seat like a punk and was scarred for life

 

no self-respecting Indian Guyanese would have done so in your apocryphal circumstance

 

it does, however, clue me in as to how u gravitated so seamlessly into the bt selling business when u refugeed to Region 11

FM
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Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by Nehru:

. . . I was sitting at back bench Strand Cinema waiting for Django to start. Cinema full, a AfroGuyanese came in and could not find a seat. He shouted, well wan COOLIE gat to get up. He pulled an Indian out of his seat gave him a few slaps and took the seat.  No one said a word. As you said, business as usual.

nehru, it stands to reason that you gave up your seat like a punk and was scarred for life

 

no self-respecting Indian Guyanese would have done so in your apocryphal circumstance

 

it does, however, clue me in as to how u gravitated so seamlessly into the bt selling business when u refugeed to Region 11

Wait, I am not wrong to believe you are into tekking KAAAAKL like Freaky.  You from Mon Repos too.  I hear GR put Kaak pun yuh when you slept at his house!!!!

Nehru
Originally Posted by Nehru:

. . . I was sitting at back bench Strand Cinema waiting for Django to start. Cinema full, a AfroGuyanese came in and could not find a seat. He shouted, well wan COOLIE gat to get up. He pulled an Indian out of his seat gave him a few slaps and took the seat.  No one said a word. As you said, business as usual.

nehru, it stands to reason that you gave up your seat like a punk and was scarred for life

 

no self-respecting Indian Guyanese would have done so in your apocryphal circumstance

 

it does, however, clue me in as to how u gravitated so seamlessly into the bt selling business when u refugeed to Region 11

FM
Originally Posted by Nehru:

WElcome back Baseman. I also have many stories but I will share only one.  I was sitting at back bench Strand Cinema waiting for Django to start. Cinema full, a AfroGuyanese came in and could not find a seat. He shouted, well wan COOLIE gat to get up. He pulled an Indian out of his seat gave him a few slaps and took the seat.  No one said a word. As you said, business as usual.

Why am I getting this nagging feeling that this coolie in question was you?

Sheik101
Originally Posted by GT Stingaa:
Why is it that these Afro bandits  only beat up and buggah all you effeminate Ghandites type? I'm one a dese 35+ coolies yuh speak of but have no such terror related Nancy stories Baselesshoman, Worm and Kneerust vividly remembers

Born and bred in evans street, charlestown. live all meh life in G\t. none a this shit never happen to me. These chaps too weak.

Sheik101
Originally Posted by Sheik101:
Originally Posted by Nehru:

WElcome back Baseman. I also have many stories but I will share only one.  I was sitting at back bench Strand Cinema waiting for Django to start. Cinema full, a AfroGuyanese came in and could not find a seat. He shouted, well wan COOLIE gat to get up. He pulled an Indian out of his seat gave him a few slaps and took the seat.  No one said a word. As you said, business as usual.

Why am I getting this nagging feeling that this coolie in question was you?

cOULD HAVE BEEN KNOWING THE monsters WE HAVE IN gt.  fORTUNATELY, THE monster FOUND ANOTHER coolie BEFORE ME. If you know anything about the MONSTERS?PARASITES we have in GT!!!

Nehru

Got robbed once for ah dollar...other than that...everything ok...my wife family from Corentyne, they never complained about being robbed or beaten up...

 

I don't know who these weak ass people are who constantly complain...

 

BTW, ah thought Harper seh that PPP only looking forward, not backward...like baseman aint got the message

FM
Originally Posted by Nehru:
Originally Posted by Sheik101:
Originally Posted by Nehru:

WElcome back Baseman. I also have many stories but I will share only one.  I was sitting at back bench Strand Cinema waiting for Django to start. Cinema full, a AfroGuyanese came in and could not find a seat. He shouted, well wan COOLIE gat to get up. He pulled an Indian out of his seat gave him a few slaps and took the seat.  No one said a word. As you said, business as usual.

Why am I getting this nagging feeling that this coolie in question was you?

cOULD HAVE BEEN KNOWING THE monsters WE HAVE IN gt.  fORTUNATELY, THE monster FOUND ANOTHER coolie BEFORE ME. If you know anything about the MONSTERS?PARASITES we have in GT!!!

Drop the caps. it was you dem bais pull out the seat, rite? you could be honest, no shame in it.

Sheik101
Originally Posted by Sheik101:
Originally Posted by GT Stingaa:
Why is it that these Afro bandits  only beat up and buggah all you effeminate Ghandites type? I'm one a dese 35+ coolies yuh speak of but have no such terror related Nancy stories Baselesshoman, Worm and Kneerust vividly remembers

Born and bred in evans street, charlestown. live all meh life in G\t. none a this shit never happen to me. These chaps too weak.

Sheik, Freaky does offer his BT in exchange for not getting beat up.!!!!!!!!!!! It is a WIN WIN situation for him!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nehru
Originally Posted by Nehru:
Originally Posted by Sheik101:
Originally Posted by Nehru:

WElcome back Baseman. I also have many stories but I will share only one.  I was sitting at back bench Strand Cinema waiting for Django to start. Cinema full, a AfroGuyanese came in and could not find a seat. He shouted, well wan COOLIE gat to get up. He pulled an Indian out of his seat gave him a few slaps and took the seat.  No one said a word. As you said, business as usual.

Why am I getting this nagging feeling that this coolie in question was you?

cOULD HAVE BEEN KNOWING THE monsters WE HAVE IN gt.  fORTUNATELY, THE monster FOUND ANOTHER coolie BEFORE ME. If you know anything about the MONSTERS?PARASITES we have in GT!!!

Bannas..I went in pit at Strand, Metropole, Astor, Globe etc numerous times...never had this happen to me

FM
Originally Posted by Sheik101:
Originally Posted by Nehru:
Originally Posted by Sheik101:
Originally Posted by Nehru:

WElcome back Baseman. I also have many stories but I will share only one.  I was sitting at back bench Strand Cinema waiting for Django to start. Cinema full, a AfroGuyanese came in and could not find a seat. He shouted, well wan COOLIE gat to get up. He pulled an Indian out of his seat gave him a few slaps and took the seat.  No one said a word. As you said, business as usual.

Why am I getting this nagging feeling that this coolie in question was you?

cOULD HAVE BEEN KNOWING THE monsters WE HAVE IN gt.  fORTUNATELY, THE monster FOUND ANOTHER coolie BEFORE ME. If you know anything about the MONSTERS?PARASITES we have in GT!!!

Drop the caps. it was you dem bais pull out the seat, rite? you could be honest, no shame in it.

lLIke reading and understanding is not your cup of soup. 

Nehru
Originally Posted by KishanB:
Originally Posted by TK:

Don't see the point. The safest period for Indians was 1985 to 1992. I am fine with a Desmond Persaud. PPP has been a disaster for the masses of Indos. Yes a few got rich, but so too did a minority under Burnham.

This is factually incorrect.  The worst period for East Indians was between 1985-1988.  Yes thing really changed for the better after than.  Desmond Hoyte lorded over the worst rigging of elections in 1985, even worst than Burnham.

 

East Indians were on their knees after than.  People were running even to Venezuela after than.  

sometimes u are worse than baseman in your 'racial' analysis of Guyana's history

 

so . . . only East Indians were on their knees during the economic crises of 1985-1988?

 

only East Indians were fleeing to "Venezuela" and any other rock in the Caribbean that would have them?

 

all the while Hoyte was doing his best to clean up the mess left by Burnham - reforming the economy; jailing and worse meted out to rabbi and kick-down-the-door bandits, etc.

 

some of y'all will forever remain prisoners of alyuh own bilious, racist mythology

 

smfh

FM
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Originally Posted by Mitwah:

Baseman, remind us again what the PPP/C has done for Indians these past 23 years.

With all these scary stories basemen has regaled us with, people are still being robbed, killed, and much more. Bodies are dropping like flies, be it from a PNC thug or otherwise. So what has changed?

Sheik101
Must have been a GT savage!!!Originally Posted by RiffRaff:

My first year in America, I got beaten and robbed in Brooklyn...almost got cut with a knife, but they only took my money

Must have been a GT savage!!  You like me would never trade we BT for not being beaten up.

Nehru
Originally Posted by Nehru:
Must have been a GT savage!!!Originally Posted by RiffRaff:

My first year in America, I got beaten and robbed in Brooklyn...almost got cut with a knife, but they only took my money

Must have been a GT savage!!  You like me would never trade we BT for not being beaten up.

only in your head would you think is ah GT do that

FM
Originally Posted by Nehru:
Originally Posted by Mitwah:

A user's photo.

And if PNC win is real change Al YUh gun get:  MO FIAH slo FIAH!!!!!

Yuh right. PPP will have to get rid of the records / evidence by burning down buildings.

Mitwah
Originally Posted by RiffRaff:
Originally Posted by Nehru:
Must have been a GT savage!!!Originally Posted by RiffRaff:

My first year in America, I got beaten and robbed in Brooklyn...almost got cut with a knife, but they only took my money

Must have been a GT savage!!  You like me would never trade we BT for not being beaten up.

only in your head would you think is ah GT do that

 

Hey, many of them had lots of practice picking pockets.

Nehru

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