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Today however, especially give the strategic significance of Guyana to the West, there would have been help. I am convinced of it. But let us not get bitter about this.

Gerhard,

Lets agree to disagree on this point. I am convinced that RK was a necessary evil in the context of what was happening.

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"Today however, especially give the strategic significance of Guyana to the West, there would have been help. I am convinced of it. But let us not get bitter about this."

Lets not kid ourselves my friend. Guyana is insignificant in the scheme of things, as far as the Americans are concerned. The situation may change if oil/gas is discovered. Guyana should not act thinking how the Americans or British or Canadians will view us. Our interest are not always aligned with theirs. History has been clear on this point.

You are ignoring the fact that Roger Khan wanted to turn Guyana into a narco state where he would be the king. This guy would have played the game from both sides. Your threshold for evil is quite high.

I am practical. Sometimes we make difficult decisions and then deal with the consequences. I do not support RK's illicit activities. I welcomed his intervention which was planned by the business community.

Recently the US Government decided that they had to make peace with the drug cartels in Afghanistan if they were going to win over the support of the villagers. US soldiers turned a blind eye to heroine being moved through the country. That was a practical decision. That doe not mean that President Obama supports drug trafficking or that he has conceded to the cartels.

Your analogy with respect to Afghanistan is nonsensical for two reasons:

1. The PPP utilized a guy who wanted to turn Guyana into another Colombia.

2. The PPP REFUSED foreign legitimate assistance and chose a murderous drug pusher instead. They had another option but went the drugs route. Why?

Many innocent people were killed in all of this. Tell that to their families.

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DNB,

You need to tell that to Minister Sawh's family. Furthermore, what democracy? The democracy was already threatened when a drug lord took control of security in Guyana. The AFC's response would have been much more comprehensive than what you make it out to be. Guyana experienced a drugs war along with a much smaller political war. RK understood the political dynamics and he moved in to destabilize further. He fed off of the PNC protests and the willingness of the PPP to give him space.

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Originally posted by DND:

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Originally posted by TK_REDUX:
DNB,

You need to tell that to Minister Sawh's family. Furthermore, what democracy? The democracy was already threatened when a drug lord took control of security in Guyana. The AFC's response would have been much more comprehensive than what you make it out to be. Guyana experienced a drugs war along with a much smaller political war. RK understood the political dynamics and he moved in to destabilize further. He fed off of the PNC protests and the willingness of the PPP to give him space.

How many lives lost would it have taken before the AFC would have acted? What would have been the response?

You got it all wrong and that says a lot about the AFC. There was a major political war that was intended to destabilize the government. The plan was to have the PNC enter through the back door. The PNC engaged the services of Blackie to further their interests- achieving political power in Guyana at any cost. The drug gangs saw an opening and used it. The drug war did not start first and caused a political crisis. It was the other way around.

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Originally posted by TK_REDUX:

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Originally posted by DND:

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Originally posted by TK_REDUX:
DNB,

You need to tell that to Minister Sawh's family. Furthermore, what democracy? The democracy was already threatened when a drug lord took control of security in Guyana. The AFC's response would have been much more comprehensive than what you make it out to be. Guyana experienced a drugs war along with a much smaller political war. RK understood the political dynamics and he moved in to destabilize further. He fed off of the PNC protests and the willingness of the PPP to give him space.

How many lives lost would it have taken before the AFC would have acted? What would have been the response?

You got it all wrong and that says a lot about the AFC. There was a major political war that was intended to destabilize the government. The plan was to have the PNC enter through the back door. The PNC engaged the services of Blackie to further their interests- achieving political power in Guyana at any cost. The drug gangs saw an opening and used it. The drug war did not start first and caused a political crisis. It was the other way around.

Your question is unrealistic. You cannot even establish a counterfactual scenario. However, this problem was a culmination of serious security failures of the PPP government since 1992. The problem started from the time they decided to keep the first dinosaur Commissioner. But there are some rumors why JJ had to keep him but I will not get into rumors. The PPP could have reformed the police from 1992. It did not. That we know and that is what is reasonable. There is no need for counterfactual there. We don't even have a forensic lab after 19 years of PPP. That much speaks loudly about the premium they placed on the security of the common man.

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Originally posted by DND:

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Originally posted by TK_REDUX:

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Originally posted by DND:

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Originally posted by TK_REDUX:
DNB,

You need to tell that to Minister Sawh's family. Furthermore, what democracy? The democracy was already threatened when a drug lord took control of security in Guyana. The AFC's response would have been much more comprehensive than what you make it out to be. Guyana experienced a drugs war along with a much smaller political war. RK understood the political dynamics and he moved in to destabilize further. He fed off of the PNC protests and the willingness of the PPP to give him space.

How many lives lost would it have taken before the AFC would have acted? What would have been the response?

You got it all wrong and that says a lot about the AFC. There was a major political war that was intended to destabilize the government. The plan was to have the PNC enter through the back door. The PNC engaged the services of Blackie to further their interests- achieving political power in Guyana at any cost. The drug gangs saw an opening and used it. The drug war did not start first and caused a political crisis. It was the other way around.

Your question is unrealistic. You cannot even establish a counterfactual scenario. However, this problem was a culmination of serious security failures of the PPP government since 1992. The problem started from the time they decided to keep the first dinosaur Commissioner. But there are some rumors why JJ had to keep him but I will not get into rumors. The PPP could have reformed the police from 1992. It did not. That we know and that is what is reasonable. There is no need for counterfactual there. We don't even have a forensic lab after 19 years of PPP. That much speaks loudly about the premium they placed on the security of the common man.

Think carefully now. What would the AFC have done under the circumstances that existed at the time. Would you have sacrificed more Indians?

It is clear that you are unable to do a critical analysis of the genesis of the crime spree or it serves your political interest to not do so. I usually recommend that my first year students read Browne, N.M. and Keeley, S. M. (2007). Asking the right questions: A guide to critical thinking. Pearson. Have a look at it sometime.

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Originally posted by TK_REDUX:

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Originally posted by DND:

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Originally posted by TK_REDUX:

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Originally posted by DND:

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Originally posted by TK_REDUX:
DNB,

You need to tell that to Minister Sawh's family. Furthermore, what democracy? The democracy was already threatened when a drug lord took control of security in Guyana. The AFC's response would have been much more comprehensive than what you make it out to be. Guyana experienced a drugs war along with a much smaller political war. RK understood the political dynamics and he moved in to destabilize further. He fed off of the PNC protests and the willingness of the PPP to give him space.

How many lives lost would it have taken before the AFC would have acted? What would have been the response?

You got it all wrong and that says a lot about the AFC. There was a major political war that was intended to destabilize the government. The plan was to have the PNC enter through the back door. The PNC engaged the services of Blackie to further their interests- achieving political power in Guyana at any cost. The drug gangs saw an opening and used it. The drug war did not start first and caused a political crisis. It was the other way around.

Your question is unrealistic. You cannot even establish a counterfactual scenario. However, this problem was a culmination of serious security failures of the PPP government since 1992. The problem started from the time they decided to keep the first dinosaur Commissioner. But there are some rumors why JJ had to keep him but I will not get into rumors. The PPP could have reformed the police from 1992. It did not. That we know and that is what is reasonable. There is no need for counterfactual there. We don't even have a forensic lab after 19 years of PPP. That much speaks loudly about the premium they placed on the security of the common man.

Think carefully now. What would the AFC have done under the circumstances that existed at the time. Would you have sacrificed more Indians?

It is clear that you are unable to do a critical analysis of the genesis of the crime spree or it serves your political interest to not do so. I usually recommend that my first year students read Browne, N.M. and Keeley, S. M. (2007). Asking the right questions: A guide to critical thinking. Pearson. Have a look at it sometime.

You did not get it? You are asking what would the AFC hhave done if it were in power in 2002? You are not willing to give the AFC the luxury of a previous 10 years, which the PPP had. The PPP simply squandered 10 years and did nothing for security reforms. Hence, in 2002 they chose a drug pusher instead of doing the hard work of reforms. The genesis goes back to the failure to appoint the right Police Commissioner in 1992. Furthermore, there would have been no need to spill the blood of anyone from any specific ethnic group because by 2002 there would have been a robust security system in place had the AFC been in government since 1992. No amount of lipstick by PPP apologist can disguise the fact that policy choices of the PPP has been deadly for all ethnic groups in Guyana.

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Originally posted by TK_REDUX:

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Originally posted by TK_REDUX:

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Originally posted by DND:

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Originally posted by TK_REDUX:
DNB,

You need to tell that to Minister Sawh's family. Furthermore, what democracy? The democracy was already threatened when a drug lord took control of security in Guyana. The AFC's response would have been much more comprehensive than what you make it out to be. Guyana experienced a drugs war along with a much smaller political war. RK understood the political dynamics and he moved in to destabilize further. He fed off of the PNC protests and the willingness of the PPP to give him space.

How many lives lost would it have taken before the AFC would have acted? What would have been the response?

You got it all wrong and that says a lot about the AFC. There was a major political war that was intended to destabilize the government. The plan was to have the PNC enter through the back door. The PNC engaged the services of Blackie to further their interests- achieving political power in Guyana at any cost. The drug gangs saw an opening and used it. The drug war did not start first and caused a political crisis. It was the other way around.

Your question is unrealistic. You cannot even establish a counterfactual scenario. However, this problem was a culmination of serious security failures of the PPP government since 1992. The problem started from the time they decided to keep the first dinosaur Commissioner. But there are some rumors why JJ had to keep him but I will not get into rumors. The PPP could have reformed the police from 1992. It did not. That we know and that is what is reasonable. There is no need for counterfactual there. We don't even have a forensic lab after 19 years of PPP. That much speaks loudly about the premium they placed on the security of the common man.

Think carefully now. What would the AFC have done under the circumstances that existed at the time. Would you have sacrificed more Indians?

It is clear that you are unable to do a critical analysis of the genesis of the crime spree or it serves your political interest to not do so. I usually recommend that my first year students read Browne, N.M. and Keeley, S. M. (2007). Asking the right questions: A guide to critical thinking. Pearson. Have a look at it sometime.

You did not get it? You are asking what would the AFC hhave done if it were in power in 2002? You are not willing to give the AFC the luxury of a previous 10 years, which the PPP had. The PPP simply squandered 10 years and did nothing for security reforms. Hence, in 2002 they chose a drug pusher instead of doing the hard work of reforms. The genesis goes back to the failure to appoint the right Police Commissioner in 1992. Furthermore, there would have been no need to spill the blood of anyone from any specific ethnic group because by 2002 there would have been a robust security system in place had the AFC been in government since 1992. No amount of lipstick by PPP apologist can disguise the fact that policy choices of the PPP has been deadly for all ethnic groups in Guyana.

You are side stepping. Answer the question faced with those circumstances what would the AFC have done?

If the AFC is in government and the PNC and armed criminals launched a crime spree with Indian villages being targeted and the police force and the GDF are in bed with the PNC. What would the AFC do? Lives are being lost every night. People are afraid to leave their homes. The police is not responding to calls. You went to your masters at the Embassy and they gave you a list of security firms. What do you do?

This is the tough question that the AFC will have to answer. And do not tell me that that scenario will never happen.

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You don't seem to get it! The Roger Khan trial in NY and the Wiki leaks have now opened up a totally new interpretation which is damming to your propaganda. The old blame the PNC strategy is now up in smoke. Any decent historian now has enough evidence to put together a case that a drug pusher used the stupidity of Hoyte and the political uncertainty of the time - plus the complicity of the PPP - to generate a war to weaken the Guyana state.

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TK, DND = Dense N Denser.

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TK, DND = Dense N Denser.

Profound. The AFC response is fitting.

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TK, DND = Dense N Denser.

Profound. The AFC response is fitting.

The AFC is not the one that hired a criminal to do the dirty job.

Who killed Sat Sawh and why?

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TK, DND = Dense N Denser.

Profound. The AFC response is fitting.

The AFC is not the one that hired a criminal to do the dirty job.

Who killed Sat Sawh and why?

Apparently you have the answer. Ignorance is bliss.

New US Ambassador is a solid man.

On July 24, 2014, President Barack Obama nominated Perry L. Holloway, a career Foreign Service officer, to be the U.S. ambassador to Guyana. If confirmed by the Senate, it will be the first ambassadorial posting for Holloway.

Holloway is from South Carolina and graduated from North Augusta High School in 1979. He went on to attend Wofford College in Spartanburg, South Carolina, graduating with a Bachelor’s degree in foreign languages literature and linguistics in 1983. While there, he studied as an exchange student in Spain. Holloway went to graduate school at the University of South Carolina, earning a Master’s in international business sciences in 1986. One of his first jobs out of college was as a manager at a Radio Shack store and he later worked for Apple in Mexico. He joined the Foreign Service in 1989.

Holloway has spent the vast majority of his career in Central and South America. His first overseas posting, in 1989, was as a consular officer in the U.S. Embassy in Bogota, Colombia, subsequently becoming staff assistant to the ambassador there. In 1992 he was made a general services officer at the embassy to El Salvador and in 1994 was an administrative officer for the U.S. Consulate in Tijuana, Mexico. Holloway went to the embassy in Quito, Ecuador in 1997 as a general services officer.

He began working in the anti-drug effort in 2000 when he was named director of the Narcotics Affairs Section of the embassy in Guatemala City. In 2003 he took time off to do graduate work at the Industrial College of the Armed Forces, earning a Master’s in national resource strategy before being named in 2004 as the Andean drug coordinator at the Department of State.

Holloway returned to Latin America in 2005 when he was named deputy director, then director of the Narcotic Affairs Section at the embassy in Bogota. In August 2009 he was named deputy chief of mission at the U.S. Embassy in Asuncion, Paraguay and returned to Bogota in a similar post a year later, remaining in that position for four years. His one assignment outside Latin America came in 2013 when he was a political-military counselor at the U.S. Embassy in Kabul, Afghanistan.

As might be expected, Holloway speaks Spanish fluently. He and his wife, Rosaura, have two children.