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“It is the decision of the President, and for many good reasons. With that being said, the Administration and I are working closely with the Governors, and this will continue,” he added in another tweet, previewing that a “decision by me, in conjunction with the Governors and input from others, will be made shortly!”

The president’s reassertion of his authority runs counter to the views of legal scholars, who say the federal government lacks the power to directly order states to reopen their economies.

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Trump: It’s my decision, not governors’, to reopen country

But the law suggests the president has less power than he thinks.

President Donald Trump insisted Monday that he alone could declare the United States reopen for business, continuing a contradictory line of messaging toward the nation’s governors as they have taken on greater responsibilities to combat the coronavirus pandemic in the face of federal inaction.

“For the purpose of creating conflict and confusion, some in the Fake News Media are saying that it is the Governors decision to open up the states, not that of the President of the United States & the Federal Government. Let it be fully understood that this is incorrect,” Trump wrote on Twitter.

“It is the decision of the President, and for many good reasons. With that being said, the Administration and I are working closely with the Governors, and this will continue,” he added in another tweet, previewing that a “decision by me, in conjunction with the Governors and input from others, will be made shortly!”

The president’s reassertion of his authority runs counter to the views of legal scholars, who say the federal government lacks the power to directly order states to reopen their economies.

Trump’s tweets also contrast markedly with a directive he issued to governors Sunday via social media, ordering them to “get your states testing programs & apparatus perfected. Be ready, big things are happening. No excuses! The Federal Government is there to help. We are testing more than any country in the World. Also, gear up with Face Masks!”

Throughout the administration’s management of the public health crisis, Trump has repeatedly declined to activate a sweeping federal response, instead suggesting state and local authorities should take the lead in securing much-needed medical equipment and imposing enforceable orders restricting Americans’ movements.

At the same time, the president has toggled between sparring with several of the Democratic governors on the front lines of the outbreak and assuring the public that they are getting along smoothly — even broadcasting their occasional praise of him in campaign ads.

The jarring shifts in the president’s sentiments were evident Friday, when Trump struck a confusing tone regarding his view of states’ rights at the White House coronavirus task force’s daily news briefing.

“I like to allow governors to make decisions without overruling them, because from a constitutional standpoint, that’s the way it should be done,” he said. “If I disagreed, I would overrule a governor, and I have that right to do it. But I’d rather have them — you can call it ‘federalist,’ you can call it ‘the Constitution,’ but I call it ‘the Constitution’ — I would rather have them make their decisions.”

But pressed on what grounds he would have to reopen the country given his own refusal to impose a nationwide stay-at-home order, Trump was less deferential. “The states can do things if they want. I can override it if I want,” he said.

The president’s tweets Monday appeared to represent a similar attempt to flex his executive muscle as the White House weighs whether to extend stringent social-distancing guidelines beyond April 30.

Trump is anxious to reverse a dramatic slide in America’s economic fortunes that has sent jobless claims soaring and led to trillions of dollars in fiscal and monetary stimulus, and his aides are examining whether certain parts of the country could be safe to open in the near future.

Last week, Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin said the administration was eyeing May 1 as a target date for restarting the U.S. economy, but health officials stressed that much of the country must remain in lockdown even as they sounded increasingly optimistic notes about the success of the federal mitigation measures.

“There’s no doubt that we have to reopen correctly,” Dr. Robert Redfield, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said Monday. “It’s going to be a step-by-step, gradual process. It’s got to be data-driven, and as I said, I think it would be community-by-community, county-by-county.”

At least one federal agency is already having conversations about what business operations would look like when people head back to work at government buildings and how to communicate to employees about the uncertain return to normal, according to a U.S. government official familiar with the matter.

The Office of Personnel Management and the Office of Management and Budget have had continuous discussions about how to unwind the telework guidance that has been issued to federal workers when the time is right, another Trump administration official said.

When it comes to states, however, the president’s legal prerogative to order them to relax their lockdown policies is dubious. The federal government lacks the “police power” authority that states have to regulate their own citizens, including by issuing orders to stay home in an effort to stem the spread of the coronavirus.

What federal powers do exist in this area stem from the central government’s authority to regulate interstate and international commerce. Laws passed on that premise give officials at the CDC the ability to quarantine travelers, as well as planes, trains and automobiles moving between states.

Those powers may even extend to cordoning off an infected area or state against the wishes of local officials, particularly if local infection controls are deemed to be failing. Still, there exists no federal law empowering Trump to force a governor to rescind or loosen a stay-at-home order.

At the margins, the president might be able to undermine such decrees by trying to withhold federal aid or by ordering large numbers of federal workers and contractors to ignore the lockdown policies. Attorney General William Barr sent federal law enforcement officials a memo last month reminding them of their exemption from the state and local controls when performing work duties.

“The President can *informally* put pressure on local/state governments. He can mess with emergency funding. And he can even order the federal workforce back to their offices,” tweeted University of Texas law professor Stephen Vladeck. “But largely because he’s left so much to local authorities so far, this, too, is ultimately up to them.”

This opinion, widely held among legal scholars, did not stop acting Director of National Intelligence Richard Grenell from sharing on Instagram an image of the Constitution and the caption, “SIGNED PERMISSION SLIP TO LEAVE YOUR HOUSE.”

After a reporter noted the post, observing in a tweet that it seemed the ODNI chief “isn’t a fan of the stay at home orders,” Grenell replied, “‘Seems’ Grenell is a fan of the Constitution to me.”

Gov. Andrew Cuomo of New York — the epicenter of the outbreak in the U.S. — asserted Monday that any potential economic restart should be approached as a regional issue, and teased an announcement later in the afternoon with the governors of Connecticut, Delaware, New Jersey, Pennsylvania and Rhode Island.

“The optimum is to have as coordinated a regional plan as you can,” he said. “It is smarter for everyone, for people of their state and for the people of my state, and this is a time for smart, competent, effective government. Nothing else matters.”

Cuomo has pushed back forcefully against the president’s calls to reopen the economy in recent days, a sign that the White House will meet resistance in a state that has both suffered the most deaths from the coronavirus and is a key piston in America’s economic engine.

“I understand the need to bring back the economy as quickly as possible,” the governor said Saturday. “I understand people need to work. I also know we need to save lives, and we have. One cannot be at the expense of the other.”

Marie J. French and Daniel Lippman contributed to this report.

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Trump’s false claim that it’s up to him — not governors — to open states

By Amy Sherman April 13, 2020, Source - Politifact - https://www.politifact.com/fac...governors-open-stat/

Donald Trump
stated on April 13, 2020 in a tweet:
"It is the decision of the President," not governors, to "open up the states."
 https://static.politifact.com/politifact/rulings/meter-false.jpg

 

Our ruling

Trump said "it is the decision of the President," not governors, to "open up the states."

The White House provided no evidence to show that it is up to Trump and not the governors to reopen the states. The governors used their authority to issue emergency orders to close non-essential businesses and public spaces such as beaches and swimming pools, and they can use their powers to reopen them.

Trump can pressure governors to act as he sees fit, but he has not provided evidence that he can decide whether to reopen the states.

We rate this statement False. 

Source and rest of article -- POLITIFACT - https://www.politifact.com/fac...governors-open-stat/

FM

The State laws cannot supercede the Federal laws. TRump has the power but he doesn't know it yet.  If he stops talking from the corner of his mouth and listens to his advisors, he will do a better job.

R

Canada is getting a lot of fake news on American politics.  Trump will give the Governors of each state the power to decide when to reopen business.  He is not stupid. That’s a huge responsibility and undertaking that has to be dealt with at the state level. 

Bibi Haniffa

The governors have the power to decide when to reopen, Trump can only threaten them by withholding funding and state supplies. Knowing him, he likes the lime light, at today's meeting with the governors he will ask when they want to reopen and then at his daily press meeting he will take the honor to declare when different states will reopen. As Coumo stated, Trump can suggest but he will have the final say.

Doctors are saying, rush to reopen will induce a second phase of covid. Wearing masks and gloves will be the norm in addition to physical distancing .

K

The man is a compulsive and pathological liar. Never seen a barefaced liar like this dude. When confronted, he is very abusive and dismisses the reporter as a fake news outfit.  Not sure what name he goes by. All the derogatory names have been given already.

FM
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skeldon_man posted:

The man is a compulsive and pathological liar. Never seen a barefaced liar like this dude. When confronted, he is very abusive and dismisses the reporter as a fake news outfit.  Not sure what name he goes by. All the derogatory names have been given already.

I notice recently  some female reporters are pressing him very hard and not taking his bull crap. His press conference is more of a circus show, with Clowns standing around. He misses his MAGA campaign so he uses the circus show at taxpayers expense.

K
kp posted:
skeldon_man posted:

The man is a compulsive and pathological liar. Never seen a barefaced liar like this dude. When confronted, he is very abusive and dismisses the reporter as a fake news outfit.  Not sure what name he goes by. All the derogatory names have been given already.

I notice recently  some female reporters are pressing him very hard and not taking his bull crap. His press conference is more of a circus show, with Clowns standing around. He misses his MAGA campaign so he uses the circus show at taxpayers expense.

When he is caught in his own lies, he is like a caged animal. Unfit to be preident.

FM
Bibi Haniffa posted:

  Trump will give the Governors of each state the power to decide when to reopen business.  He is not stupid. That’s a huge responsibility and undertaking that has to be dealt with at the state level. 

He cannot give what he doesn't have. 

Mitwah
kp posted:

His dreadful menaces is now on the scene, President Obama.

 Obama will take charge and give the Americans comfort and compassion.

I would love to see NY renames on of the streets/avenue where Trump's hotel is located to Obama Way or Obama St. Let's see how fast he sells and moves out of NY.

FM
skeldon_man posted:
kp posted:

His dreadful menaces is now on the scene, President Obama.

 Obama will take charge and give the Americans comfort and compassion.

I would love to see NY renames on of the streets/avenue where Trump's hotel is located to Obama Way or Obama St. Let's see how fast he sells and moves out of NY.

Well, the crook has already using Florida as his residence, just to evade tax prosecution. 

K
skeldon_man posted:
Casablanca posted:
skeldon_man posted:
I take it that it was deposited in your account.

Yes...

Mine too.

I thought it was fuh deh baad peeps.  Is allyo own money dem giving back eh! 

Mitwah
Mitwah posted:
skeldon_man posted:
Casablanca posted:
skeldon_man posted:
I take it that it was deposited in your account.

Yes...

Mine too.

I thought it was fuh deh baad peeps.  Is allyo own money dem giving back eh! 

If they can give the millionaires a tax break and they accepted it, I am just a kaka belly gulping up stale rice in the muddy drains. $1200.00 is just a drop in the bucket compared to the tax breaks. I'll find something to do with it. Maybe buying more fishing or hunting toys.

FM
Casablanca posted:
kp posted:

The governors have the power to decide when to reopen, Trump can only threaten them by withholding funding and state supplies. Knowing him, he likes the lime light, at today's meeting with the governors he will ask when they want to reopen and then at his daily press meeting he will take the honor to declare when different states will reopen. As Coumo stated, Trump can suggest but he will have the final say.

Doctors are saying, rush to reopen will induce a second phase of covid. Wearing masks and gloves will be the norm in addition to physical distancing .

It will take a few years for life to get back to what it was before Covid...Your 2nd paragraph is correcto...I'll be doing much Teleworking and only go to the office periodically...I'm even thinking about a few months leave of absence until the Vaccine is ready...Some close relatives died this week in Queens and it really hurt me...I don't want to die, I want to live to a ripe old age, see grandkids, etc...

Got a few homemade masks the wife sewed up. I am also practicing self-isolation as much as I can. This too will pass.

FM
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skeldon_man posted:
Mitwah posted:
skeldon_man posted:
Casablanca posted:
skeldon_man posted:
I take it that it was deposited in your account.

Yes...

Mine too.

I thought it was fuh deh baad peeps.  Is allyo own money dem giving back eh! 

If they can give the millionaires a tax break and they accepted it, I am just a kaka belly gulping up stale rice in the muddy drains. $1200.00 is just a drop in the bucket compared to the tax breaks. I'll find something to do with it. Maybe buying more fishing or hunting toys.

We use to ketch Kakabelly with girgirah. Got some from GY. Will have it with daal and rice.

Mitwah
Mitwah posted:
skeldon_man posted:

I thought it was fuh deh baad peeps.  Is allyo own money dem giving back eh! 

If they can give the millionaires a tax break and they accepted it, I am just a kaka belly gulping up stale rice in the muddy drains. $1200.00 is just a drop in the bucket compared to the tax breaks. I'll find something to do with it. Maybe buying more fishing or hunting toys.

We use to ketch Kakabelly with girgirah. Got some from GY. Will have it with daal and rice.

We never caught kaka belly. We bought a few times at the market. My brothers always go fishing with a cast net. As for me, I could never throw a cast net as a left-hander. It always went into a figure 8. I gave up after a few casts.

FM
Casablanca posted:

Just got my IRS Stimulus Check, I'm a happy camper...

80 million Americans have received stimulus checks so far this week.  I think all of Canada already got theirs?!$😀😀😀😀$$$

Bibi Haniffa
kp posted:
skeldon_man posted:
kp posted:

His dreadful menaces is now on the scene, President Obama.

 Obama will take charge and give the Americans comfort and compassion.

I would love to see NY renames on of the streets/avenue where Trump's hotel is located to Obama Way or Obama St. Let's see how fast he sells and moves out of NY.

Well, the crook has already using Florida as his residence, just to evade tax prosecution. 

How does Florida residency assist in the evasion of tax prosecution?  Who is facing prosecution for tax evasion?

Bibi Haniffa

Each affected Canadian gets a minimum of $2,000 per month for up to 4 months. If you apply on line the money is in your account in three days or a cheque by mail in ten days. Families with children are given allowance for each child.

Covid will destroy first class economy,  America is on that list.

K

People are so bored they are even coming up with songs of this virus, such as on you tube, "DoReMi covid19 version"

Also one with Trudeau "Speaking Moistly" he used the word "moistly in error now they went a step further. I'm not sure how to take these, I guess they are trying to lighten up a bit.

cain

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