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UN envoy meets with Ministers of Guyana, Venezuela to help resolve border dispute

21 October 2013, Source - United Nations

 

 

Personal Representative of the Secretary-General on the Border Controversy between Guyana and Venezuela Norman Girvan. Photo: OAS

 

21 October 2013 – A United Nations envoy has presented a plan to move forward the long-standing border controversy between Guyana and Venezuela.

 

According to a note today from a UN spokesperson, Norman Girvan, the Personal Representative of the Secretary-General on the border dispute, had “very productive separate meetings” on 17 October with the Foreign Ministers of Guyana, Carolyn Rodrigues-Birkett, and Venezuela, ElÍas Jaua.

 

The Ministers emphasized the excellent bilateral relations that currently exist between the two States, the readout noted, and welcomed Mr. Girvan’s initiative, which includes a schedule of meetings “to move the process forward over the coming months.”

 

The UN spokesperson said that Mr. Girvan appreciated the confidence that the Ministers put in the Good Offices process.

 

“He looks forward to providing the Ministers with suggestions in the coming weeks, and discussing them with each of the Foreign Ministers in the near future,” the note said.

 

At issue is the disputed Essequibo region, which since 1899 has functioned as a territory administered by Guyana but is claimed by Venezuela.

The dispute over the region resurfaced last year when Guyana asked the Organization to extend its continental shelf.

 

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Notes to correspondents

Statement by the Personal Representative of the Secretary-General on the Border Controversy between Guyana and Venezuela

New York, 21 October 2013

 

On 17 October 2013, the Personal Representative of the United Nations Secretary-General on the border controversy between Guyana and Venezuela, Mr. Norman Girvan, had very productive separate meetings with the Foreign Ministers of Guyana and Venezuela. The Ministers emphasized the excellent bilateral relations that currently exist between the two States.

In recalling the progress made under the Good Offices process in the recent past, the Ministers welcome the Personal Representative’s initiative to suggest a series of further steps to address the border controversy. These steps could include a schedule of meetings to move the process forward over the coming months.

The Personal Representative notes with appreciation the expression of confidence by both Ministers in the Good Offices process under the auspices of the United Nations Secretary-General. He looks forward to providing the Ministers with suggestions in the coming weeks, and discussing them with each of the Foreign Ministers in the near future.

 

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The UN is a waste of time. The only way to foil any aggression from Venezuela is to make good with the US so the are the wedge. The Venezuelans have no claim. If the reject the former treaties then we have claims to the mouth of the Orinoco as well and these are to be negotiated as we.

FM
Originally Posted by Danyael:

The Venezuelans have no claim. If the reject the former treaties then we have claims to the mouth of the Orinoco as well and these are to be negotiated as we.

Correct.

 

The issues were resolved about 100 years ago, but there are elements in Venezuela who are not convinced of the results.

FM
Originally Posted by Danyael:

The UN is a waste of time. The only way to foil any aggression from Venezuela is to make good with the US so the are the wedge. The Venezuelans have no claim. If the reject the former treaties then we have claims to the mouth of the Orinoco as well and these are to be negotiated as we.

They should get experienced people working on this case right away before the Venezuelans out maneuver us. This situation needs to be taken seriously, as a national crisis, and have knowledgeable people there instead of those dunces like Rummouthar and Carolyn Rodrigues.

Mars

Yes right.  Those right wing Venezuelans who want to invade Guyana at the drop of a hat must be shaking in their shoes like Elvis after seeing Girvan's picture.  A true waste of time. 

 

We need to become a part of the United States commonwealth so as to protect us as a nation from these invaders.

FM
Originally Posted by Wally:

Yes right.  Those right wing Venezuelans who want to invade Guyana at the drop of a hat must be shaking in their shoes like Elvis after seeing Girvan's picture.  A true waste of time. 

 

We need to become a part of the United States commonwealth so as to protect us as a nation from these invaders.

Dude, stop repeating this nonsense over and over. You don't just become a part of the US because you want to or there would be US commonwealths all over the world. 

Mars
Originally Posted by God:
Originally Posted by Wally:

Yes right.  Those right wing Venezuelans who want to invade Guyana at the drop of a hat must be shaking in their shoes like Elvis after seeing Girvan's picture.  A true waste of time. 

 

We need to become a part of the United States commonwealth so as to protect us as a nation from these invaders.

Dude, stop repeating this nonsense over and over. You don't just become a part of the US because you want to or there would be US commonwealths all over the world. 

Listen here you.  The Americans would willing take us.  We got exactly what they need.  Millions of gallons of fresh water plus a strategic location.

FM
Originally Posted by Wally:
Originally Posted by God:
Originally Posted by Wally:

Yes right.  Those right wing Venezuelans who want to invade Guyana at the drop of a hat must be shaking in their shoes like Elvis after seeing Girvan's picture.  A true waste of time. 

 

We need to become a part of the United States commonwealth so as to protect us as a nation from these invaders.

Dude, stop repeating this nonsense over and over. You don't just become a part of the US because you want to or there would be US commonwealths all over the world. 

Listen here you.  The Americans would willing take us.  We got exactly what they need.  Millions of gallons of fresh water plus a strategic location.

You think is just like that the Americans take you in and make you a commonwealth? Wake up Rip, you're dreaming.

Mars
Originally Posted by God:
Originally Posted by Wally:
Originally Posted by God:
Originally Posted by Wally:

Yes right.  Those right wing Venezuelans who want to invade Guyana at the drop of a hat must be shaking in their shoes like Elvis after seeing Girvan's picture.  A true waste of time. 

 

We need to become a part of the United States commonwealth so as to protect us as a nation from these invaders.

Dude, stop repeating this nonsense over and over. You don't just become a part of the US because you want to or there would be US commonwealths all over the world. 

Listen here you.  The Americans would willing take us.  We got exactly what they need.  Millions of gallons of fresh water plus a strategic location.

You think is just like that the Americans take you in and make you a commonwealth? Wake up Rip, you're dreaming.

Go drink a cup of bloody coffee and get over this God complex of yours. They will most likely consider it and even put it to the house for a vote if Guyana votes in a referendum to become part of the US commonwealth.  The Turks and Caicos islands almost became part of Canada a few years back until a few Jamaicans started shouting white racism in the Canadian public.

FM
Originally Posted by Wally:
Originally Posted by God:
Originally Posted by Wally:
Originally Posted by God:
Originally Posted by Wally:

Yes right.  Those right wing Venezuelans who want to invade Guyana at the drop of a hat must be shaking in their shoes like Elvis after seeing Girvan's picture.  A true waste of time. 

 

We need to become a part of the United States commonwealth so as to protect us as a nation from these invaders.

Dude, stop repeating this nonsense over and over. You don't just become a part of the US because you want to or there would be US commonwealths all over the world. 

Listen here you.  The Americans would willing take us.  We got exactly what they need.  Millions of gallons of fresh water plus a strategic location.

You think is just like that the Americans take you in and make you a commonwealth? Wake up Rip, you're dreaming.

Go drink a cup of bloody coffee and get over this God complex of yours. They will most likely consider it and even put it to the house for a vote if Guyana votes in a referendum to become part of the US commonwealth.  The Turks and Caicos islands almost became part of Canada a few years back until a few Jamaicans started shouting white racism in the Canadian public.

You're a bloody moron if you think that Guyana can decide if they want to become a US commonwealth and it will happen. Why would we want to become a commonwealth of another nation anyway? We fought for independence not to relinquish it again when we find ourselves in a difficult situation. Intelligent and mature people would find real solutions to such problems, not jump under someone else's petticoat when we find ourselves under pressure. Is this what you do in real life when you find yourself in a difficult situation? Run crying for you mamee?

Mars

Maybe the Guyana government should rely on a dullard dolt like you and your thunder bolts to defend it when Venezulan forces come streaming over the border areas of Guyana. Because mark my words, that is exactly what will happen in a few years when this Venezuelan government falls. 

 

Unlike you I do not have imaginary thunderbolts but can back up my words at any time I choose to do so with appropriate measures.

FM
Last edited by Former Member
Originally Posted by Wally:

Maybe the Guyana government should rely on a dullard dolt like you and your thunder bolts to defend it when Venezulan forces come streaming over the border areas of Guyana.  Because mark my words, that is exactly what will happen in a few years when this Venezuelan falls.  

You could eat some dhall and chase away the Venezuelans with your smell. That would be a lot more effective.

 

Stupid man, don't you think that if a country could just become a commonwealth of the U.S. because they wanted to that other countries wouldn't have already done it?

 

Jeez, where do they find you people from? Somewhere a village is missing its idiot.

Mars
Originally Posted by God:
Originally Posted by Wally:

Maybe the Guyana government should rely on a dullard dolt like you and your thunder bolts to defend it when Venezulan forces come streaming over the border areas of Guyana.  Because mark my words, that is exactly what will happen in a few years when this Venezuelan falls.  

You could eat some dhall and chase away the Venezuelans with your smell. That would be a lot more effective.

 

Stupid man, don't you think that if a country could just become a commonwealth of the U.S. because they wanted to that other countries wouldn't have already done it?

 

Jeez, where do they find you people from? Somewhere a village is missing its idiot.

I am not going to lower myself and argue with you.

FM
Originally Posted by Wally:
Originally Posted by God:
Originally Posted by Wally:

Maybe the Guyana government should rely on a dullard dolt like you and your thunder bolts to defend it when Venezulan forces come streaming over the border areas of Guyana.  Because mark my words, that is exactly what will happen in a few years when this Venezuelan falls.  

You could eat some dhall and chase away the Venezuelans with your smell. That would be a lot more effective.

 

Stupid man, don't you think that if a country could just become a commonwealth of the U.S. because they wanted to that other countries wouldn't have already done it?

 

Jeez, where do they find you people from? Somewhere a village is missing its idiot.

I am not going to lower myself and argue with you.

You can't go any lower than your Hubu Backdam High education so that would be impossible. Propose something concrete instead of your usual bilge and maybe you'll be able to actually have an argument. Right now you have nothing else but pipe dreams.

Mars
Originally Posted by Danyael:

The UN is a waste of time. The only way to foil any aggression from Venezuela is to make good with the US so the are the wedge. The Venezuelans have no claim. If the reject the former treaties then we have claims to the mouth of the Orinoco as well and these are to be negotiated as we.

I totally agree here Danyael.  We will eventually be facing a country ending invasion sooner or later from the Venezuelan right.(With the present and rapid improvement of geographic and map technology the jungle areas of Guyana would be much easier to travel in armed convoys.)   No agreement, or negotiation or piece of paper or diplomacy can stop or satisfy the ideological push of the Venezuelan right to regain what they see as their occupied land. Their thinking on this matter is too strong to be satisfied by these options. It would be like the Indian and Pakistan governments asking a Kashmiri separatist who wants all of Kashmir to be a province of Pakistan to settle for the present line of control between Pakistan and India in Kashmir to become the international border of the two countries.  It will never happen.

FM
Last edited by Former Member

Those of you who are thinking that Brazil will protect Guyana from Venezuela just do not understand how the latin mind works. Brazil will offer symbolic support but will they send their people to die for Guyana. Absolutely not.

FM
Originally Posted by God:
Originally Posted by Wally:
Originally Posted by God:
Originally Posted by Wally:

Maybe the Guyana government should rely on a dullard dolt like you and your thunder bolts to defend it when Venezulan forces come streaming over the border areas of Guyana.  Because mark my words, that is exactly what will happen in a few years when this Venezuelan falls.  

You could eat some dhall and chase away the Venezuelans with your smell. That would be a lot more effective.

 

Stupid man, don't you think that if a country could just become a commonwealth of the U.S. because they wanted to that other countries wouldn't have already done it?

 

Jeez, where do they find you people from? Somewhere a village is missing its idiot.

I am not going to lower myself and argue with you.

You can't go any lower than your Hubu Backdam High education so that would be impossible. Propose something concrete instead of your usual bilge and maybe you'll be able to actually have an argument. Right now you have nothing else but pipe dreams.


A person such as yourself who lives in North America and travels on a foreign passport should be the last person to talk about the independence virtues of Guyana.

 

Commonwealth status should be on the table and should be an option. It can be done with the lobbied support of key US law makers.

FM
Originally Posted by Wally:
Originally Posted by God:
Originally Posted by Wally:
Originally Posted by God:
Originally Posted by Wally:

Maybe the Guyana government should rely on a dullard dolt like you and your thunder bolts to defend it when Venezulan forces come streaming over the border areas of Guyana.  Because mark my words, that is exactly what will happen in a few years when this Venezuelan falls.  

You could eat some dhall and chase away the Venezuelans with your smell. That would be a lot more effective.

 

Stupid man, don't you think that if a country could just become a commonwealth of the U.S. because they wanted to that other countries wouldn't have already done it?

 

Jeez, where do they find you people from? Somewhere a village is missing its idiot.

I am not going to lower myself and argue with you.

You can't go any lower than your Hubu Backdam High education so that would be impossible. Propose something concrete instead of your usual bilge and maybe you'll be able to actually have an argument. Right now you have nothing else but pipe dreams.


A person such as yourself who lives in North America and travels on a foreign passport should be the last person to talk about the independence virtues of Guyana.

 

Commonwealth status should be on the table and should be an option. It can be done with the lobbied support of key US law makers.

How do you know that I live in North America and I even travel on a foreign passport? You must have some kind of supernatural powers to know what passport I use for my travel or if I leave the country where I live. Does someone need to maintain Guyanese citizenship in order to comment about the independence virtues of Guyana? Am I limited to what I can talk about on GNI? Quit babbling just for babbling sake because you're not making too much sense.

 

Sure, we can lobby the support of the US but to believe that we can demand commonwealth status from the US and they will hand it over is simply wishful thinking. You live in la la land ole man.

 

 

Mars

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