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US cannot afford to wait for UN to attack Syria: Officials

 

US President Barack Obama meets with his national security team

US President Barack Obama meets with his national security team

 

Rep. Eliot Engel (NY), the top Democrat on the House Foreign Affairs Committee, has said “this is time for us” to launch cruise missile strikes on Syria, and that the US government cannot afford to wait for the United Nations.



“The world is a better place when the United States takes leadership; this is time for us to do this. I hope we’ll do it soon,” the American lawmaker said on Fox News Sunday.

A growing number of Republicans and Democrats in Congress are urging President Barack Obama to approve military action against Syria following reports of a deadly chemical attack in the suburbs of Damascus last week.

Engel said that the United States had to respond quickly and could not afford to wait for the United Nations.

“We could even destroy the Syrian Air Force if we wanted to… We have to move and we have to move quickly.”

Other senior US officials have also indicated that instead of seeking a UN approval for military action, Washington could work with its partners such as the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) or the Arab League.

"We'll consult with the UN. They're an important avenue. But they're not the only avenue," a senior administration official said.

The Syrian government has allowed UN inspectors to visit a site that allegedly came under chemical attack on Wednesday. Obama administration officials, however, have dismissed as too late the Syrian offer.

Although there is still no evidence to blame the chemical attack on the government of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, a senior administration official said there was “very little doubt” that Damascus was behind the attack.

“Based on the reported number of victims, reported symptoms of those who were killed or injured, witness accounts and other facts gathered by open sources, the US intelligence community, and international partners, there is very little doubt at this point that a chemical weapon was used by the Syrian regime against civilians in this incident,” the unnamed official said in a written statement on Sunday, as reported by the New York Times.

The Syrian government and the army categorically denied any role in Wednesday’s chemical attack which killed hundreds of people. Russia, a key ally of Syria, insists that the attack was "clearly provocative in nature," and that it was staged by foreign-backed militant groups to incriminate the Assad government.

In recent days, the Pentagon has moved more warships into place in the eastern Mediterranean Sea and American war planners have updated strike targets that include government and military installations inside Syria, officials said.

President Obama met with his national security advisers at the White House over the weekend to discuss “a range of options” for Syria, but officials said late Sunday that the president had yet to decide how to proceed.

Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel reiterated Sunday that the Pentagon has prepared “options for all contingencies” and is ready to use force if the president gives the green-light.

Meanwhile, the US top military leader is in Jordan to discuss possible strikes on neighboring Syria.

Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Martin Dempsey was set to meet with his Jordanian counterpart and other regional defense chiefs during his visit.

"The exchange is designed to increase the collective understanding of the impact of regional conflicts on nations, foster ongoing dialogue and improve security relationships," Defense Department spokeswoman Lt. Col. Cathy Wilkinson said.

President Obama said last year that the use of chemical weapons by the Syrian government was “a red line” that would provoke a military response.

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Rep. Eliot Engel (NY), the top Democrat on the House Foreign Affairs Committee, has said “this is time for us” to launch cruise missile strikes on Syria, and that the US government cannot afford to wait for the United Nations.

 

US President Barack Obama meets with his national security team

US President Barack Obama meets with his national security team

Another session like Iraq for the oil secure of the US_of_A.

FM

“The world is a better place when the United States takes leadership; this is time for us to do this. I hope we’ll do it soon,” the American lawmaker said on Fox News Sunday.

Rep. Eliot Engel (NY)

Really???

FM
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:

Rep. Eliot Engel (NY), the top Democrat on the House Foreign Affairs Committee, has said “this is time for us” to launch cruise missile strikes on Syria, and that the US government cannot afford to wait for the United Nations.

 

US President Barack Obama meets with his national security team

US President Barack Obama meets with his national security team

Another session like Iraq for the oil secure of the US_of_A.

Let me know how much oil the US got from Iraq - free or otherwise. If you can't answer, don't bother to make silly assertions like the above. There are sensible people on this Board and you might just be wasting digital time and space.

Kari

Read what CNN says

 

 

editor's note: Ten years ago, the war in Iraq began. This week, we focus on the people involved in the war and the lives that changed forever. Antonia Juhasz, an oil industry analyst, is author of several books, including "The Bush Agenda" and "The Tyranny of Oil."

(CNN) -- Yes, the Iraq War was a war for oil, and it was a war with winners: Big Oil.

It has been 10 years since Operation Iraqi Freedom's bombs first landed in Baghdad. And while most of the U.S.-led coalition forces have long since gone, Western oil companies are only getting started.

Before the 2003 invasion, Iraq's domestic oil industry was fully nationalized and closed to Western oil companies. A decade of war later, it is largely privatized and utterly dominated by foreign firms.

 

From ExxonMobil and Chevron to BP and Shell, the West's largest oil companies have set up shop in Iraq. So have a slew of American oil service companies, including Halliburton, the Texas-based firm Dick Cheney ran before becoming George W. Bush's running mate in 2000.

The war is the one and only reason for this long sought and newly acquired access.

 

Oil was not the only goal of the Iraq War, but it was certainly the central one, as top U.S. military and political figures have attested to in the years following the invasion.

 

"Of course it's about oil; we can't really deny that," said Gen. John Abizaid, former head of U.S. Central Command and Military Operations in Iraq, in 2007. Former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan agreed, writing in his memoir, "I am saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: the Iraq war is largely about oil." Then-Sen. and now Defense SecretaryChuck Hagel said the same in 2007: "People say we're not fighting for oil. Of course we are." 

 

 

For the first time in about 30 years, Western oil companies are exploring for and producing oil in Iraq from some of the world's largest oil fields and reaping enormous profit. And while the U.S. has also maintained a fairly consistent level of Iraq oil imports since the invasion, the benefits are not finding their way through Iraq's economy or society.

These outcomes were by design, the result of a decade of U.S. government and oil company pressure.

 

In 1998,Kenneth Derr, then CEO of Chevron, said, "Iraq possesses huge reserves of oil and gas-reserves I'd love Chevron to have access to." Today it does.

FM
Last edited by Former Member
Originally Posted by Kari:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:

Rep. Eliot Engel (NY), the top Democrat on the House Foreign Affairs Committee, has said “this is time for us” to launch cruise missile strikes on Syria, and that the US government cannot afford to wait for the United Nations.

 

US President Barack Obama meets with his national security team

US President Barack Obama meets with his national security team

Another session like Iraq for the oil secure of the US_of_A.

Let me know how much oil the US got from Iraq - free or otherwise. If you can't answer, don't bother to make silly assertions like the above. There are sensible people on this Board and you might just be wasting digital time and space.

Take the time to know the basic facts.

FM
Originally Posted by TI:

Read what CNN says

 

 

editor's note: Ten years ago, the war in Iraq began. This week, we focus on the people involved in the war and the lives that changed forever. Antonia Juhasz, an oil industry analyst, is author of several books, including "The Bush Agenda" and "The Tyranny of Oil."

(CNN) -- Yes, the Iraq War was a war for oil, and it was a war with winners: Big Oil.

It has been 10 years since Operation Iraqi Freedom's bombs first landed in Baghdad. And while most of the U.S.-led coalition forces have long since gone, Western oil companies are only getting started.

Before the 2003 invasion, Iraq's domestic oil industry was fully nationalized and closed to Western oil companies. A decade of war later, it is largely privatized and utterly dominated by foreign firms.

 

From ExxonMobil and Chevron to BP and Shell, the West's largest oil companies have set up shop in Iraq. So have a slew of American oil service companies, including Halliburton, the Texas-based firm Dick Cheney ran before becoming George W. Bush's running mate in 2000.

The war is the one and only reason for this long sought and newly acquired access.

 

Oil was not the only goal of the Iraq War, but it was certainly the central one, as top U.S. military and political figures have attested to in the years following the invasion.

 

"Of course it's about oil; we can't really deny that," said Gen. John Abizaid, former head of U.S. Central Command and Military Operations in Iraq, in 2007. Former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan agreed, writing in his memoir, "I am saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: the Iraq war is largely about oil." Then-Sen. and now Defense SecretaryChuck Hagel said the same in 2007: "People say we're not fighting for oil. Of course we are." 

 

 

For the first time in about 30 years, Western oil companies are exploring for and producing oil in Iraq from some of the world's largest oil fields and reaping enormous profit. And while the U.S. has also maintained a fairly consistent level of Iraq oil imports since the invasion, the benefits are not finding their way through Iraq's economy or society.

These outcomes were by design, the result of a decade of U.S. government and oil company pressure.

 

In 1998,Kenneth Derr, then CEO of Chevron, said, "Iraq possesses huge reserves of oil and gas-reserves I'd love Chevron to have access to." Today it does.

Reveal for us how many barrels a day the US Government or a US private company or companies get from Iraq for FREE or for a price way below world market price.

 

Please use the comments to demonstrate your own ignorance, unfamiliarity with empirical data and lack of respect for scientific knowledge. Be sure to create straw men and argue against things I have neither said nor implied. If you could repeat previously discredited memes or steer the conversation into irrelevant, off topic discussions, it would be appreciated. Lastly, kindly forgo all civility in your discourse . . . you are, after all, anonymous or a keyboard warrior.

Kari

D-G, I'm still waiting for your facts. You made the assertion, not me. So you should break out the empirical evidence of this waht you wrote:

 

Another session like Iraq for the oil secure of the US_of_A.

 

It's easy - just the fax(cts) ma'am!!!!

Kari
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by Kari:

D-G, I'm still waiting for your facts.

Kari .. take your time to see the light.

That was part of the lyrics from a song......take time to know her.....

Kari
Originally Posted by Kari:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by Kari:

D-G, I'm still waiting for your facts.

Kari .. take your time to see the light.

That was part of the lyrics from a song...... take time to know her ..... 

A song with deep and special meaning.

FM

The US has to be cautious with the Saudi-backed terrorists.  However, we need to understand what happened and who so ever perpetuated the crime ought to be held accountable.  My hunch it's the wahabs who done it, carefully carried out to make it look like it was the Syrian army.

 

The army has the upper hand so why would they revert to such means knowing fully well they are being closely watched and the US want any excuse to attack them.

FM
Originally Posted by baseman:

The US has to be cautious with the Saudi-backed terrorists.  However, we need to understand what happened and who so ever perpetuated the crime ought to be held accountable.  My hunch it's the wahabs who done it, carefully carried out to make it look like it was the Syrian army.

 

The army has the upper hand so why would they revert to such means knowing fully well they are being closely watched and the US want any excuse to attack them.

BaseBoard the Foreign Affairs savant......

Kari
Originally Posted by Kari:
Originally Posted by baseman:

The US has to be cautious with the Saudi-backed terrorists.  However, we need to understand what happened and who so ever perpetuated the crime ought to be held accountable.  My hunch it's the wahabs who done it, carefully carried out to make it look like it was the Syrian army.

 

The army has the upper hand so why would they revert to such means knowing fully well they are being closely watched and the US want any excuse to attack them.

BaseBoard the Foreign Affairs savant......

This is the same kanwah who also defend the PPP saying the Linderers shoot their own....

sachin_05

I doubt the Syrian govt so stupid as to use chemical weapons Knowing that it will draw in the US.

 

This was most likely done by outside forces or the rebels in the hope of bringing in the international community.  Sick people in that part of the world. Hate their own kind.

 

FM

While the acts are unacceptable, there are no conclusive - ironclad - proof that the incident was done by the Syria.

 

US_of_A and the other countries seem to be pursuing the same purposes as in the Iraq's invasion.

FM
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:

While the acts are unacceptable, there are no conclusive - ironclad - proof that the incident was done by the Syria.

 

US_of_A and the other countries seem to be pursuing the same purposes as in the Iraq's invasion.


Actually, I heard little green men from Mars did it

FM
Originally Posted by raymond:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:

While the acts are unacceptable, there are no conclusive - ironclad - proof that the incident was done by the Syria.

 

US_of_A and the other countries seem to be pursuing the same purposes as in the Iraq's invasion.

Actually, I heard little green men from Mars did it

You are probably on to something.

FM

It is estimated that 82,370 to 106,425 men, women and children died from the Syrian civil war to date and counting. All of the totals include civilians, rebels, and security forces. While Russia and NATO allies are playing chess game with Syria, people are dying senselessly in a war torn country. 

FM
Originally Posted by sachin_05:
Originally Posted by Kari:
Originally Posted by baseman:

The US has to be cautious with the Saudi-backed terrorists.  However, we need to understand what happened and who so ever perpetuated the crime ought to be held accountable.  My hunch it's the wahabs who done it, carefully carried out to make it look like it was the Syrian army.

 

The army has the upper hand so why would they revert to such means knowing fully well they are being closely watched and the US want any excuse to attack them.

BaseBoard the Foreign Affairs savant......

This is the same kanwah who also defend the PPP saying the Linderers shoot their own....

Yep, the Afro terrorists shot the Lindeners to provoke a backlash.  Wahab terrorists, Afro terrorists, same trade, same behavior.

FM
Originally Posted by Kari:
Originally Posted by baseman:

The US has to be cautious with the Saudi-backed terrorists.  However, we need to understand what happened and who so ever perpetuated the crime ought to be held accountable.  My hunch it's the wahabs who done it, carefully carried out to make it look like it was the Syrian army.

 

The army has the upper hand so why would they revert to such means knowing fully well they are being closely watched and the US want any excuse to attack them.

BaseBoard the Foreign Affairs savant......

Hi talk man Kari-katahar, like you out of words, albeit mostly useless.

FM
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by Kari:
Originally Posted by baseman:

The US has to be cautious with the Saudi-backed terrorists.  However, we need to understand what happened and who so ever perpetuated the crime ought to be held accountable.  My hunch it's the wahabs who done it, carefully carried out to make it look like it was the Syrian army.

 

The army has the upper hand so why would they revert to such means knowing fully well they are being closely watched and the US want any excuse to attack them.

BaseBoard the Foreign Affairs savant......

Hi talk man Kari-katahar, like you out of words, albeit mostly useless.

BaseBoard, I see you still have that constipated look on your face.

Kari

Kari, you calling Baseman BaseBoard? Is this what intelligent people do? Baseman is a highly educated person who serve Guyana interest at home and abroad. Bro, you letting yourself down big time. It's ok to disagree, but have respect for people's opinion.

FM
Originally Posted by Cobra:

Kari, you calling Baseman BaseBoard? Is this what intelligent people do? Baseman is a highly educated person who serve Guyana interest at home and abroad. Bro, you letting yourself down big time. It's ok to disagree, but have respect for people's opinion.

The banna got a problem trying to become relevant.  The lil QC teaching job did not give him the boost to become meaningful in the USA.  He is on his last lap and trying to have his big mouth heard.

FM

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