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US must not hunt down Snowden: Amnesty

 

 

Amnesty International says the U.S. must not hunt down whistleblower Edward Snowden for disclosing information about the government’s human rights violations.

 

The organization also warned that if Snowden is extradited to the United States, he would be at risk of persecution.

 

"No one should be charged under any law for disclosing information of human rights violations by the U.S. government. Such disclosures are protected under the rights to information and freedom of expression," said Widney Brown, Senior Director of International Law and Policy at Amnesty International.

 

"It appears he is being charged by the U.S. government primarily for revealing its and other governments’ unlawful actions that violate human rights,” he added.

 

Snowden, who traveled from Hong Kong to Moscow, is reportedly seeking asylum in Ecuador where he would not be at risk of extradition to the U.S.

 

Amnesty also said that no one can be extradited while they have an asylum claim under way in any country.

 

"Regardless of where Snowden ends up he has the right to seek asylum. For such a claim to succeed, he must demonstrate a well-founded fear of persecution. Even if such a claim failed, no country can return a person to another country where there is a substantial risk of ill-treatment,” Brown said.

 

“His forced transfer to the USA would put him at great risk of human rights violations and must be challenged.”

 

The American whistleblower is charged with conveying classified information to an unauthorized party, disclosing communications intelligence information, and theft of government property. The charges, each of which carries a potential ten year prison term.

 

U.S. President Barack Obama told reporters Washington is following legal channels on how to bring Snowden back to the U.S.

 

Obama said that his administration is working to make sure "the rule of law is observed."

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Where is Amnesty when the United States of America, has been killing innocent Women and Children and Babies in their sleep in Afghanistan and Pakistan and America continues to do so?

FM
Originally Posted by Danyael:

he will end up in US jail...no where to hide.

"No one should be charged under any law for disclosing information of human rights violations by the U.S. government.

FM

Edward Snowden a hero to many young

Americans, poll suggests

Edward Snowden performed a public service in leaking information about NSA programs, say 60 percent of Americans age 18 to 29, according to a poll. Tea partyers and liberals also approve.

 

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A majority of Americans believe Edward Snowden should be criminally prosecuted for leaking classified information about government surveillance programs, according to a new national poll. But you might be surprised by the unlikely grouping of cohorts who suggest the information he has revealed is in the public interest.

 

First off, 54 percent of Americans say the government should pursue a criminal case against Mr. Snowden, the former Booz Allen Hamilton contractor who has fled to Hong Kong, according to a new Pew Research Center and USA Today survey. But digging into the numbers, it’s interesting to note that tea party loyalists, liberals, and young people suggest the National Security Administration leak outlining extensive phone and e-mail monitoring programs is in the public interest.

People who identify themselves as tea partyers believe the release of this information is in the public interest by a 56 to 39 percent margin. An almost identical segment of liberals – 57 to 38 percent – say the same.

Meanwhile, the 18-to-29-year-old set feel even more strongly – 60 percent to 34 percent – that American citizens are well-served by the knowledge Snowden has provided. And a minority of young people, 44 percent, believe he – or as the survey frames it, “the person responsible for leaking the classified information” – should face criminal charges.

What unites these subsets of the population? Former President George W. Bush might call them freedom lovers.

“We saw the same pattern with the Patriot Act,” says Democratic pollster Celinda Lake. “This pattern was particularly acute in the West. These issues unite the people who dislike government interference and believe in ‘black helicopters’ with liberals who since Vietnam dislike and distrust government in many of its war and terrorist activities.”

The poll also shows a partisan shift in feelings about personal privacy since Mr. Bush held office. In 2006, 77 percent of Democrats said they would feel their personal privacy was violated if they learned the government was collecting their personal data, while just 28 percent of Republicans agreed. In the latest survey, those numbers reverse – 68 percent of Republicans said they would feel violated, while 53 percent of Democrats agree.

Perhaps these changes in sentiment have something – everything? – to do with who holds the White House and is ultimately overseeing sensitive intelligence programs. If respondents supported the incumbent at the polls, they’re more likely to trust his motivations and give him the benefit of the doubt.

At least for a time. President Obama has seen his approval numbers take a nose dive in recent days, in particular those young people who twice helped him get elected are showing their discontent with the latest batch of scandals plaguing the administration, Snowden’s included. Mr. Obama’s overall rating with those ages 18 to 29 has declined 17 points and is at 48 percent, according to a recent CNN/ORC poll.

As for Snowden, who is making the very most of his more than 15 minutes of fame via web chats and interviews, opinions are deeply divided.

Though the Pew/USA Today poll shows a majority believe he should be charged, a Reuters survey indicates more view him as a patriot than a traitor.

"I'm neither traitor nor hero. I'm an American," Snowden told the South China Post, an English-language newspaper in Hong Kong, last week.

FM
Originally Posted by asj:
Originally Posted by Danyael:

he will end up in US jail...no where to hide.

"No one should be charged under any law for disclosing information of human rights violations by the U.S. government.

this was a legal process and he does not get to decide alone. He swore an oath before he took the high security job. He has the congress to complain to as they have a whistleblower forum. He gets money ( up to 3 milllion) if he uncovers unlawful act. He has consorted with the enemy and will be hunted down.

 

BTW Amnesty gets no money from me from now on.

FM
Originally Posted by Danyael:
Originally Posted by asj:
Originally Posted by Danyael:

he will end up in US jail...no where to hide.

"No one should be charged under any law for disclosing information of human rights violations by the U.S. government.

this was a legal process and he does not get to decide alone. He swore an oath before he took the high security job. He has the congress to complain to as they have a whistleblower forum. He gets money ( up to 3 milllion) if he uncovers unlawful act. He has consorted with the enemy and will be hunted down.

 

BTW Amnesty gets no money from me from now on.

This is a high handed actions taken by the government, nobody agreed to it, nobody voted for it, agreed that he might have taken an oath, but breaking that oath, for the good of a majority does not make him a criminal, someday he might be vetted as a hero. Unless you are now suggesing that we are a fascist state then.

The guy was working for a Private Contractor, and if he screwed up then the Government was not his employer.....to hunt him down like a dog.

 

Seems like Obama is acting just like Hitler even worse

FM
Originally Posted by asj:
Originally Posted by Danyael:
Originally Posted by asj:
Originally Posted by Danyael:

he will end up in US jail...no where to hide.

"No one should be charged under any law for disclosing information of human rights violations by the U.S. government.

this was a legal process and he does not get to decide alone. He swore an oath before he took the high security job. He has the congress to complain to as they have a whistleblower forum. He gets money ( up to 3 milllion) if he uncovers unlawful act. He has consorted with the enemy and will be hunted down.

 

BTW Amnesty gets no money from me from now on.

This is a high handed actions taken by the government, nobody agreed to it, nobody voted for it, agreed that he might have taken an oath, but breaking that oath, for the good of a majority does not make him a criminal, someday he might be vetted as a hero. Unless you are now suggesing that we are a fascist state then.

The guy was working for a Private Contractor, and if he screwed up then the Government was not his employer.....to hunt him down like a dog.

 

Seems like Obama is acting just like Hitler even worse

I think Press TV bilge polluted your brain. This is a Congressional approved act and the people voted in their congress.  I know the company and if he worked for them he had to have security clearance so he was approved for the job by the government. Further, the company is sanctioned by the government and not some run of the mill op.

 

The image of Obama as Hitler makes you an loon. BTW check Baghdad today...I bet they set those bombs off with such precision in public places that they were certainly not after women and children!

FM
Originally Posted by Danyael:
Originally Posted by asj:
Originally Posted by Danyael:

he will end up in US jail...no where to hide.

"No one should be charged under any law for disclosing information of human rights violations by the U.S. government.

this was a legal process and he does not get to decide alone. He swore an oath before he took the high security job. He has the congress to complain to as they have a whistleblower forum. He gets money ( up to 3 milllion) if he uncovers unlawful act. He has consorted with the enemy and will be hunted down.

 

BTW Amnesty gets no money from me from now on.

Then the US govt owes him that much

Pointblank
Originally Posted by asj:
Originally Posted by Danyael:
Originally Posted by asj:
Originally Posted by Danyael:

he will end up in US jail...no where to hide.

"No one should be charged under any law for disclosing information of human rights violations by the U.S. government.

this was a legal process and he does not get to decide alone. He swore an oath before he took the high security job. He has the congress to complain to as they have a whistleblower forum. He gets money ( up to 3 milllion) if he uncovers unlawful act. He has consorted with the enemy and will be hunted down.

 

BTW Amnesty gets no money from me from now on.

This is a high handed actions taken by the government, nobody agreed to it, nobody voted for it, agreed that he might have taken an oath, but breaking that oath, for the good of a majority does not make him a criminal, someday he might be vetted as a hero. Unless you are now suggesing that we are a fascist state then.

The guy was working for a Private Contractor, and if he screwed up then the Government was not his employer.....to hunt him down like a dog.

 

Seems like Obama is acting just like Hitler even worse

The USG may have gone a bit overboard with this surveillance program.  However, the US does have the right and obligation to seek out and hunt down these terrorists.

 

The fact that he is working for a private contractor does not mean he can just "screw-up" and the USG does not have a right to react.  Most defense contractors are private and they have every obligation to safeguard the national assets.  If you work at a bank and commit fraud, the Govt prosecute you.

 

Regarding Obama as Hitler, that's way out of all proportion.  Obama is a do-little leader who in not in control of things, but he is no Hitler or despot, though at times he displays elements of despotism.

 

The USG should not target it's citizens, they need to go after sleeper-cell Islamist in the US and overseas.

FM

The big question now is; where is Snowden? According to reports, he didn't make the flight from Russia to Havana. Ecuador's president may grant him Asylum like he did to Julian Assange. But getting a fix on his location seems to be a bit tricky.

Sheik101
Originally Posted by Sheik101:

The big question now is; where is Snowden? According to reports, he didn't make the flight from Russia to Havana. Ecuador's president may grant him Asylum like he did to Julian Assange. But getting a fix on his location seems to be a bit tricky.

Ecuador may be having second thoughts right now.  There in an Andean trade agreement coming up for renewal with the USA in two months.  If the US balks at it, 100k-200k Ecuadorian farmers livelihood is as stake.

FM
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by Sheik101:

The big question now is; where is Snowden? According to reports, he didn't make the flight from Russia to Havana. Ecuador's president may grant him Asylum like he did to Julian Assange. But getting a fix on his location seems to be a bit tricky.

Ecuador may be having second thoughts right now.  There in an Andean trade agreement coming up for renewal with the USA in two months.  If the US balks at it, 100k-200k Ecuadorian farmers livelihood is as stake.

 A touchy situation, no doubt. Equador depends on the US for nearly half of its foreign trade But seems quite contented in annoying the US with this recent proposition to grant Amnesty, citing that such a decision would be based on Equadorian National Sovereignty and Universal principles of human rights. I hope Correa knows what he's doing.

 

Sheik101
Originally Posted by asj:
Originally Posted by Danyael:

he will end up in US jail...no where to hide.

"No one should be charged under any law for disclosing information of human rights violations by the U.S. government.

Access to confidential information is a sensitive matter.

 

Under no circumstances should the individual accumulate and publicly/privately display the information.

 

US-of-A authorities have the right to bring this individual before the courts for his gross indiscretion.

 

Simple matter -- if individuals have concerns about the information they have access, they should discuss the matter with their supervisors and when deemed necessary, they can leave their position.

FM
Originally Posted by Sheik101:

The big question now is; where is Snowden? According to reports, he didn't make the flight from Russia to Havana. Ecuador's president may grant him Asylum like he did to Julian Assange. But getting a fix on his location seems to be a bit tricky.

He could be "holed up" in an embassy, similar to Julian Assange.

FM

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