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Originally Posted by TK:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by TK:
Originally Posted by Brutus:
What's the position of the AFC on this matter TK?

I have personally written on this extensively. These can be found in the letter pages of SN. I am busy at the moment writing my next column for SN. The AFC does not have a well defined position on devolution as power sharing. The AFC believes in local government reforms/elections; electoral reforms; and I believe making sure MPs are elected directly to Parliament and not selected by a party boss. The AFC prefers procurement reforms; removal of the powers of the President; Freedom of Information. I am satisfied and comfortable with these. Don't think federalism is at the top of AFC's agenda and rightly so. The guys have an election to win and don't have the luxury to participate in metaphysical debates. Resources are thin. 

They also have to push for the removal of military from political influence and involvement and a robust governance mechanism to protect the constitution and the nation's integrity at the same time.  I think you have the cart before the horse, but then again, you do have to please the PNC and the Redux-type ideologues in the background.

Bai...I am much more worried by drug pushers than the army. I am much more bothered about the destabilizing influence of US$1.2 bill in external debt to finance four projects in the next three years. Much more concerned about the stealing of public funds and the bad sequencing and implementation, all adding more unnecessary debt to pay off and diminish the ability to do what is necessary in the future. The AFC no doubt understands the need to see all Guyanese share in the burden of the defence forces. But if you talk to the average Guyanese they will tell you they don't see a reserve of black men in uniform coming to suppress them. The days for that bogeyman are over. Their main concerns center around the outright theft of public funds and a completely corrupt and drugs-infiltrated police force. 

That's a distraction TK, a cop-out from the real political issue.  You guys are way out in left field.  You avoid the political hot-potatoes as you know you cross the PNC and will get pelted.

 

TK, you are in denial and you know it.  Many Indians switched back to the PPP in the days running up to elections when they saw the attitude of the PNC constituency.  They smelled a rat and they were right.  What a con job and you deny.  You know very well what I talk, you were there, so stop burying your head in the sand.

FM
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by TK:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by TK:
Originally Posted by Brutus:
What's the position of the AFC on this matter TK?

I have personally written on this extensively. These can be found in the letter pages of SN. I am busy at the moment writing my next column for SN. The AFC does not have a well defined position on devolution as power sharing. The AFC believes in local government reforms/elections; electoral reforms; and I believe making sure MPs are elected directly to Parliament and not selected by a party boss. The AFC prefers procurement reforms; removal of the powers of the President; Freedom of Information. I am satisfied and comfortable with these. Don't think federalism is at the top of AFC's agenda and rightly so. The guys have an election to win and don't have the luxury to participate in metaphysical debates. Resources are thin. 

They also have to push for the removal of military from political influence and involvement and a robust governance mechanism to protect the constitution and the nation's integrity at the same time.  I think you have the cart before the horse, but then again, you do have to please the PNC and the Redux-type ideologues in the background.

Bai...I am much more worried by drug pushers than the army. I am much more bothered about the destabilizing influence of US$1.2 bill in external debt to finance four projects in the next three years. Much more concerned about the stealing of public funds and the bad sequencing and implementation, all adding more unnecessary debt to pay off and diminish the ability to do what is necessary in the future. The AFC no doubt understands the need to see all Guyanese share in the burden of the defence forces. But if you talk to the average Guyanese they will tell you they don't see a reserve of black men in uniform coming to suppress them. The days for that bogeyman are over. Their main concerns center around the outright theft of public funds and a completely corrupt and drugs-infiltrated police force. 

That's a distraction TK, a cop-out from the real political issue.  You guys are way out in left field.  You avoid the political hot-potatoes as you know you cross the PNC and will get pelted.

 

TK, you are in denial and you know it.  Many Indians switched back to the PPP in the days running up to elections when they saw the attitude of the PNC constituency.  They smelled a rat and they were right.  What a con job and you deny.  You know very well what I talk, you were there, so stop burying your head in the sand.

 

PPP is never getting 50% again. Get used to it. 

FM
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by baseman:

How could be forget the 20 years of subjugation and virtual enslavement of the mainly Indian masses . . .  

more gratuitous 4th Grade demagoguery . . .  

 

doubling down with hysterics on obscure threads cannot mitigate the shame and embarrassment you brought upon yourself these past couple of days

 

sorry

The promise of the PNC GDF cadres campaigning in masse last election was to ensure the next time the PNC takes power, along with the GDF, never ever to let power slip away again.  They encouraged their people to go out and attend and cheer AFC meetings as long as the target of the AFC was the PPP.

 

I think a couple AFC Indian boys attempted to criticize the PNC and had bottles, bricks and stick thrown at them.  They had to run out of Albouystown.

you ran like a lil biatch from the other thread after being battered into shameful submission on the "GDF" nonsense

 

now you pop up here, drug_b like, pretending that this is a 'live' issue

 

g'waan suh ignar antiman

FM
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by baseman:

How could be forget the 20 years of subjugation and virtual enslavement of the mainly Indian masses . . .  

more gratuitous 4th Grade demagoguery . . .  

 

doubling down with hysterics on obscure threads cannot mitigate the shame and embarrassment you brought upon yourself these past couple of days

 

sorry

The promise of the PNC GDF cadres campaigning in masse last election was to ensure the next time the PNC takes power, along with the GDF, never ever to let power slip away again.  They encouraged their people to go out and attend and cheer AFC meetings as long as the target of the AFC was the PPP.

 

I think a couple AFC Indian boys attempted to criticize the PNC and had bottles, bricks and stick thrown at them.  They had to run out of Albouystown.

you ran like a lil biatch from the other thread after being battered into shameful submission on the "GDF" nonsense

 

now you pop up here, drug_b like, pretending that this is a 'live' issue

 

g'waan suh ignar antiman

You tend to pay attention as my comments on this issue cut deep and straight to the heart of the matter.

FM
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by baseman:

How could be forget the 20 years of subjugation and virtual enslavement of the mainly Indian masses . . .  

more gratuitous 4th Grade demagoguery . . .  

 

doubling down with hysterics on obscure threads cannot mitigate the shame and embarrassment you brought upon yourself these past couple of days

 

sorry

The promise of the PNC GDF cadres campaigning in masse last election was to ensure the next time the PNC takes power, along with the GDF, never ever to let power slip away again.  They encouraged their people to go out and attend and cheer AFC meetings as long as the target of the AFC was the PPP.

 

I think a couple AFC Indian boys attempted to criticize the PNC and had bottles, bricks and stick thrown at them.  They had to run out of Albouystown.

you ran like a lil biatch from the other thread after being battered into shameful submission on the "GDF" nonsense

 

now you pop up here, drug_b like, pretending that this is a 'live' issue

 

g'waan suh ignar antiman

You tend to pay attention as my comments on this issue cut deep and straight to the heart of the matter.

yes I do

 

I am the hammer, you are the nail

FM
Originally Posted by TK:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by TK:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by TK:
Originally Posted by Brutus:
What's the position of the AFC on this matter TK?

I have personally written on this extensively. These can be found in the letter pages of SN. I am busy at the moment writing my next column for SN. The AFC does not have a well defined position on devolution as power sharing. The AFC believes in local government reforms/elections; electoral reforms; and I believe making sure MPs are elected directly to Parliament and not selected by a party boss. The AFC prefers procurement reforms; removal of the powers of the President; Freedom of Information. I am satisfied and comfortable with these. Don't think federalism is at the top of AFC's agenda and rightly so. The guys have an election to win and don't have the luxury to participate in metaphysical debates. Resources are thin. 

They also have to push for the removal of military from political influence and involvement and a robust governance mechanism to protect the constitution and the nation's integrity at the same time.  I think you have the cart before the horse, but then again, you do have to please the PNC and the Redux-type ideologues in the background.

Bai...I am much more worried by drug pushers than the army. I am much more bothered about the destabilizing influence of US$1.2 bill in external debt to finance four projects in the next three years. Much more concerned about the stealing of public funds and the bad sequencing and implementation, all adding more unnecessary debt to pay off and diminish the ability to do what is necessary in the future. The AFC no doubt understands the need to see all Guyanese share in the burden of the defence forces. But if you talk to the average Guyanese they will tell you they don't see a reserve of black men in uniform coming to suppress them. The days for that bogeyman are over. Their main concerns center around the outright theft of public funds and a completely corrupt and drugs-infiltrated police force. 

That's a distraction TK, a cop-out from the real political issue.  You guys are way out in left field.  You avoid the political hot-potatoes as you know you cross the PNC and will get pelted.

 

TK, you are in denial and you know it.  Many Indians switched back to the PPP in the days running up to elections when they saw the attitude of the PNC constituency.  They smelled a rat and they were right.  What a con job and you deny.  You know very well what I talk, you were there, so stop burying your head in the sand.

 

PPP is never getting 50% again. Get used to it. 

Well, I don't debate that too much on this.  There will be elections, the truth will be revealed and you may be right, but we see.

FM
TK I am fully aware of your position on devolution. I am flummoxed that you now think that those were 'metaphysical' debates! I would urge the AFC not to sweep the ethnic issue under the rug, nor appoint token biracial tickets in attempting to solve the ethnic problem. This a heavy issue and I urge you encourage discussion in the party. I am flabbergasted as to why all the parties prefer to ignore the need for open discourses on governing in a multiracial environment.
FM
Originally Posted by Brutus:
TK I am fully aware of your position on devolution. I am flummoxed that you now think that those were 'metaphysical' debates! I would urge the AFC not to sweep the ethnic issue under the rug, nor appoint token biracial tickets in attempting to solve the ethnic problem. This a heavy issue and I urge you encourage discussion in the party. I am flabbergasted as to why all the parties prefer to ignore the need for open discourses on governing in a multiracial environment.

Because the two main parties are the greatest benefactors.  The AFC cannot change that.  The PPP (Jagan) missed the boat when he had the moral authority and high ground to work on bridging the divide.  If he was visionary and strategic, he should have addressed starting day 1 as ethnic security trumps anything else.

 

The PNC's response with Slo-fiah Mo fiah followed by mayhem and massacres of mostly Indians have ensured this will be the state for sometime. No other leader has the political currency and moral high ground to bridge the divide.

 

The PPP (Jagan) should have reached out to the South Africans (Mandela, Tutu, etc) to come in and help us build a reconciliation model.  He did not, so we are like the Congo rather than South Africa.

 

Long live the great hero Cheddie Jagan.

FM
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by Brutus:
TK I am fully aware of your position on devolution. I am flummoxed that you now think that those were 'metaphysical' debates! I would urge the AFC not to sweep the ethnic issue under the rug, nor appoint token biracial tickets in attempting to solve the ethnic problem. This a heavy issue and I urge you encourage discussion in the party. I am flabbergasted as to why all the parties prefer to ignore the need for open discourses on governing in a multiracial environment.

Because the two main parties are the greatest benefactors.  The AFC cannot change that.  The PPP (Jagan) missed the boat when he had the moral authority and high ground to work on bridging the divide.  If he was visionary and strategic, he should have addressed starting day 1 as ethnic security trumps anything else.

 

The PNC's response with Slo-fiah Mo fiah followed by mayhem and massacres of mostly Indians have ensured this will be the state for sometime. No other leader has the political currency and moral high ground to bridge the divide.

 

The PPP (Jagan) should have reached out to the South Africans (Mandela, Tutu, etc) to come in and help us build a reconciliation model.  He did not, so we are like the Congo rather than South Africa.

 

Long live the great hero Cheddie Jagan.

One good point you made Baseman:

 

LONG LIVE THE MEMORY OF THE GREAT FOUNDER LEADER DR CHEDDI JAGAN.

 

FM
Originally Posted by Brutus:
Baseman if the AFC is unable to influence the political dynamics ... Why does it even try? As for Jagan.. He barked up the wrong tree for a realllly long time.

They should try,  give them credit.  However, their one-sided positions and hatred for the GoG does not help the cause.  People have stepped back as they have become bellicose and not seen as a middle of the road option.  They are now seen part and parcel of an PNC axis to back-door power.

FM
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by Brutus:
Baseman if the AFC is unable to influence the political dynamics ... Why does it even try? As for Jagan.. He barked up the wrong tree for a realllly long time.

They should try,  give them credit.  However, their one-sided positions and hatred for the GoG does not help the cause.  People have stepped back as they have become bellicose and not seen as a middle of the road option.  They are now seen part and parcel of an PNC axis to back-door power.

AS DG would say, "Perhaps, perhaps not". People also see them as their voice  as we recently seen in PPP strongholds such as BBP and West Coast Berbice. Changes are happening.

 

It's most likely that the PPP will open the back door to power for the PNC and shut out the AFC.

Mitwah
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by Brutus:
Baseman if the AFC is unable to influence the political dynamics ... Why does it even try? As for Jagan.. He barked up the wrong tree for a realllly long time.

They should try,  give them credit.  However, their one-sided positions and hatred for the GoG does not help the cause.  People have stepped back as they have become bellicose and not seen as a middle of the road option.  They are now seen part and parcel of an PNC axis to back-door power.

AS DG would say, "Perhaps, perhaps not". People also see them as their voice  as we recently seen in PPP strongholds such as BBP and West Coast Berbice. Changes are happening.

 

It's most likely that the PPP will open the back door to power for the PNC and shut out the AFC.

You see Mitts, in politics it's every man for himself.  The PNC comes across as much more pragmatic and approachable.  The AFC spews lots of venom and hatred towards to PPP and its individuals.  It is inevitable, the PPP and PNC will find accommodation and bring some degree of reconciliation and the AFC will be left out in the cold.  As you see in Linden and other places, the PNC shut you out on decisions/agreements with the PPP.  This is the writing on the wall.

FM

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