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Venezuela rejects US, UK views on border controversy

October 10, 2015 10:06 am Category: latest news A+ / A-

President of Venezuela, Nicolas Maduro

President of Venezuela, Nicolas Maduro

[www.inewsguyana.com] – The Venezuelan National Assembly  and Government have rejected statements made by UK High Commissioner to Guyana Greg Quinn and US Ambassador to Guyana Perry Holloway, calling for Guyana and Venezuela to respect the 1899 Arbitration Award.

Both Quinn and Holloway have been vocal on the issue here in Guyana, showing support for the diplomatic resolution and Venezuela’s respect for Guyana’s sovereignty to run its course on the issue.

According to Venezuela’s El Universal, Venezuela’s President Nicolas Maduro reasserted that the state regards as

US Ambassador Perry Holloway

US Ambassador Perry Holloway

“null and void” the Paris Arbitration Award; hence, in 1966, the Geneva Agreement was signed in Switzerland by England, Guyana, and Venezuela to settle the territorial matter.

Venezuela has also rejected the statements issued by Greg Quinn, the UK High Commissioner in Guyana, who recently referred to the territorial controversy between Venezuela and Guyana.

In a communiquÉ, the Foreign Affairs Ministry asserted, “(Greg) Quinn intends to hide the historical truth that his country, taking advantage of its

British High Commissioner to Guyana, James Gregory Quinn

British High Commissioner to Guyana, James Gregory Quinn

prevailing status of imperial power at the time and together with the United States government, promoted and staged an arbitration fraud that violated the integrity of Venezuela.”

In the document, Venezuela called upon British and US officials to respect the “Geneva Agreement of 1966 as the current legal instrument governing the territorial dispute” over the Essequibo region.

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According to Venezuela’s El Universal, Venezuela’s President Nicolas Maduro reasserted that the state regards as

“null and void” the Paris Arbitration Award; hence, in 1966, the Geneva Agreement was signed in Switzerland by England, Guyana, and Venezuela to settle the territorial matter.

 

Even if as the Venezuelans claimed, they would stick with the Geneva agreement of 1966 where England, Guyana, and Venezuela was called to settle the territorial matter, this does not give the Venezuelans any rights to the Guyana Terrorities. As no one agrees to that.

The agreement says settle peacefully, and that can mean quite a few other things. One of which Guyana opted for a settlement by keeping all their lands. Put that to a vote and Guyana and the British will be on one side, and only Venezuela will be on the other side.

 

Madhuro should understand that the British will sides with Guyana, and they are on their own.

FM
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GUYANA – VENEZUELA BORDER CONFLICT
CENTER FOR INTERNATIONAL DEVELOPMENT AND CONFLICT MANAGEMENT
UNIVERSITY OF MARYLAND


Preliminary draft concept paper by John Davies of CIDCM for private circulation and comment: not for publication, distribution or quoting. Please send comments to (removed)

 

I found this while surfing the net,cant i post a copy here ???,

it is an interesting piece written Oct 2002

 

Django
Last edited by Django
Originally Posted by Django:

GUYANA – VENEZUELA BORDER CONFLICT
CENTER FOR INTERNATIONAL DEVELOPMENT AND CONFLICT MANAGEMENT
UNIVERSITY OF MARYLAND


Preliminary draft concept paper by John Davies of CIDCM for private circulation and comment: not for publication, distribution or quoting. Please send comments to (removed)

 

I found this while surfing the net,cant i post a copy here ???,

it is an interesting piece written Oct 2002

 

You can link it. If you want the actual text, let me know.

FM
Originally Posted by D2:
Originally Posted by Django:

GUYANA – VENEZUELA BORDER CONFLICT
CENTER FOR INTERNATIONAL DEVELOPMENT AND CONFLICT MANAGEMENT
UNIVERSITY OF MARYLAND


Preliminary draft concept paper by John Davies of CIDCM for private circulation and comment: not for publication, distribution or quoting. Please send comments to (removed)

 

I found this while surfing the net,cant i post a copy here ???,

it is an interesting piece written Oct 2002

 

You can link it. If you want the actual text, let me know.

Thank's i got it.

Django

Venezuela rejecting the US position is music to Guyana's ear.  US was a key ally to Venezuela in this conflict, the UK and Russia were the original backers of this arbitration in 1899.  Russia may be a Venezuela ally today, but they are a signatory to the 1899 treaty, so Guyana wins.  Granger should now push to seal the deal and force Venezuela to acquiesce and to remove from their constitution and stop teaching in their school that it's their territory and to remove it from their map.

FM
Originally Posted by baseman:

Venezuela rejecting the US position is music to Guyana's ear.  US was a key ally to Venezuela in this conflict, the UK and Russia were the original backers of this arbitration in 1899.  Russia may be a Venezuela ally today, but they are a signatory to the 1899 treaty, so Guyana wins. 

Putin's Russia is light years away from Czarist Russia of 1899. Putin is a child of communist Russia, a KGB man in communist Russia, and a sort of Stalinist autocrat today.

Putin maintains close relations with leftist Cuba and Venezuela. The Cuban newspaper Granma recently published a Venezuelan map that includes Essequibo.

Putin will not openly support the 1899 treaty because Venezuela considers it null and void. Putin will support Maduro's stance that the 1966 Geneva Agreement is the operative document.

FM
Last edited by Former Member
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by baseman:

Venezuela rejecting the US position is music to Guyana's ear.  US was a key ally to Venezuela in this conflict, the UK and Russia were the original backers of this arbitration in 1899.  Russia may be a Venezuela ally today, but they are a signatory to the 1899 treaty, so Guyana wins. 

Putin's Russia is light years away from Czarist Russia of 1899. Putin is a child of communist Russia, a KGB man in communist Russia, and a sort of Stalinist autocrat today.

Putin maintains close relations with leftist Cuba and Venezuela. The Cuban newspaper Granma recently published a Venezuelan map that includes Essequibo.

Putin will not openly support the 1899 treaty because Venezuela considers it null and void. Putin will support Maduro's stance that the 1966 Geneva Agreement is the operative document.

The UK getting these territories was a trade for Russia getting the Caucasus, so it's as relevant today as it was in 1899.

FM
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by baseman:

Venezuela rejecting the US position is music to Guyana's ear.  US was a key ally to Venezuela in this conflict, the UK and Russia were the original backers of this arbitration in 1899.  Russia may be a Venezuela ally today, but they are a signatory to the 1899 treaty, so Guyana wins. 

Putin's Russia is light years away from Czarist Russia of 1899. Putin is a child of communist Russia, a KGB man in communist Russia, and a sort of Stalinist autocrat today.

Putin maintains close relations with leftist Cuba and Venezuela. The Cuban newspaper Granma recently published a Venezuelan map that includes Essequibo.

Putin will not openly support the 1899 treaty because Venezuela considers it null and void. Putin will support Maduro's stance that the 1966 Geneva Agreement is the operative document.

The UK getting these territories was a trade for Russia getting the Caucasus, so it's as relevant today as it was in 1899.

What's your source, base? I'm doing a check but can't find anything along that line.

FM

RE: The 1899 Arbitration Tribunal

After the US and Britain had nominated their arbitrators, Britain proposed that the disputing parties agree on the presiding fifth arbitrator. There were delays in discussing this, and in the interim De Martens was among the names of international jurists suggested by the US. De Martens was then chosen by Venezuela from a shortlist of names submitted by Britain. The Panel of Arbitration thus consisted of:

  1. Melville Weston Fuller (Chief Justice of the United States)
  2. David Josiah Brewer (Member of the US Supreme Court)
  3. Sir Richard Henn Collins (Lord Justice of Appeal)
  4. Lord Herschell (former Lord Chancellor), replaced upon his death by Charles Russell (Lord Chief Justice of England and Wales)
  5. Frédéric de Martens (Russian diplomat and jurist)[Suggested by UK and chosen by Venezuela]
      SOURCE: Wikipedia
FM
Last edited by Former Member
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:

RE: The 1899 Arbitration Tribunal

After the US and Britain had nominated their arbitrators, Britain proposed that the disputing parties agree on the presiding fifth arbitrator. There were delays in discussing this, and in the interim De Martens was among the names of international jurists suggested by the US. De Martens was then chosen by Venezuela from a shortlist of names submitted by Britain. The Panel of Arbitration thus consisted of:

  1. Melville Weston Fuller (Chief Justice of the United States)
  2. David Josiah Brewer (Member of the US Supreme Court)
  3. Sir Richard Henn Collins (Lord Justice of Appeal)
  4. Lord Herschell (former Lord Chancellor), replaced upon his death by Charles Russell (Lord Chief Justice of England and Wales)
  5. Frédéric de Martens (Russian diplomat and jurist)[Suggested by UK and chosen by Venezuela]
      SOURCE: Wikipedia

I know someone on this BB who had dem guys as school mates.

cain
Originally Posted by cain:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:

RE: The 1899 Arbitration Tribunal

After the US and Britain had nominated their arbitrators, Britain proposed that the disputing parties agree on the presiding fifth arbitrator. There were delays in discussing this, and in the interim De Martens was among the names of international jurists suggested by the US. De Martens was then chosen by Venezuela from a shortlist of names submitted by Britain. The Panel of Arbitration thus consisted of:

  1. Melville Weston Fuller (Chief Justice of the United States)
  2. David Josiah Brewer (Member of the US Supreme Court)
  3. Sir Richard Henn Collins (Lord Justice of Appeal)
  4. Lord Herschell (former Lord Chancellor), replaced upon his death by Charles Russell (Lord Chief Justice of England and Wales)
  5. Frédéric de Martens (Russian diplomat and jurist)[Suggested by UK and chosen by Venezuela]
      SOURCE: Wikipedia

I know someone on this BB who had dem guys as school mates.

Bai, your pun is as recognizable as an unclothed punani.

FM

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