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Walter Rodney Commission of Inquiry…Witness question authenticity of documents tendered

June 7, 2014 | By | Filed Under News 

By Latoya Giles Several documents which have been tendered to the Walter Rodney Commission of Inquiry appear to have been forged. One of the documents is an “account form” which Major General Norman McLean was questioned about on Thursday when he was giving evidence. The document which allegedly shows the movement of several high profile weapons from the Guyana Defence Force to the People’s National Congress and ultimately to the House of Israel religious group, has raised eyebrows.  signature The signature attached to the document was that of former Army Major Godwin McPherson. McPherson died several years ago. McLean, after seeing that document had immediately asked that a “handwriting” expert be summoned to determine its authenticity. Yesterday Kaieteur News managed to get a copy of the “account form” which was tendered.  The document was part of a police file which was submitted by Crime Chief, Leslie James. The document which is dated June 24, 1979 claims that the army handed over 19, G3 Rifles, 19, G3 Bayonett snipers, 1500 rounds of, 7.62 ammunition, ten browning pistols and 500 rounds of 9mm ammunition. These items according to the document were chargeable to the PNC for the House of Israel.  However several sources close to the now dead Mc Pherson are refuting that he signed the document and have produced other documents purportedly signed by him on which the signature is different. This has now caused some amount of concern about whether the documents have been willfully submitted to the Commission to publicly embarrass the officer and his family. This has also brought into question the authenticity of other documents which have been provided to the Commission by the police. On Thursday, Major General McLean said that he was familiar with the signature of the late army officer and denied that the signature attached to a document shown to him was that of McPherson’s. McLean immediately asked that the Commission summon a handwriting expert to determine the authenticity of the document. McLean was also shown a payroll document with the name “Smith” attached to it.  That document was dated May 24, 1979. According to McLean, the document speaks directly to something that looks as though it was “cut and pasted”.  McLean again said that the payroll document failed to state who collected salaries and was devoid of signatures. Lawyer for the Commission, Glenn Hanoman, claimed that the “payroll” document was acquired from the GDF and said it is his intention to call the officer who supplied the documents at a later date to testify. PNC lead counsel Attorney at Law Basil Williams and Guyana Trades Union lawyer Selwyn Pieters had argued on Thursday that the Commission should make available, original documents and witnesses’ statements. Pieters questioned why documents relevant to Walter Rodney’s death were not in the Commission’s possession before witnesses were called. According to Pieters, all the relevant documents should have been handed over to the Commission in all fairness to witnesses.  As such, Pieters suggested that McLean should not be questioned further on army records since the   original documents weren’t presented.

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That must be a really good Bic pen to maintain such resolution. But it nevertheless does not relieve McLean of his responsibilities as head of his department. Like how on some questions he is so smart and on the ones that implicate him, he is so evasive and combatant.

FM
Originally Posted by ksazma:

That must be a really good Bic pen to maintain such resolution. But it nevertheless does not relieve McLean of his responsibilities as head of his department. Like how on some questions he is so smart and on the ones that implicate him, he is so evasive and combatant.

The man must have used his wearever or waterman pen. Mc. Lean was and is a person who you need to always watch. Don't let him walk behind you. I am dissapointed that he and some of the crimminals are in the PPP.

FM
Originally Posted by JB:

Mr McLean works close with the PPP these days. He is like Mr Gold and Diamond. 

PNC train the man well. The PPP is scared of this PNC terrorist. If you can't beat 'em; join 'em.

FM
Originally Posted by skeldon_man:
Originally Posted by JB:

Mr McLean works close with the PPP these days. He is like Mr Gold and Diamond. 

PNC train the man well. The PPP is scared of this PNC terrorist. If you can't beat 'em; join 'em.

Even before Ramjattan was ejected, many of us here have been writing about how the party have been highjacked and how the PPP has become a sanctuary for the PNC thugs. Today, the PPP centralism is not different from the Burnhamism of the 70's and 80's. The grass roots is shut out of any decision making. They need to be mobilized to rid the party of the so-called elitists who have usurped key positions for their own personal enrichment.

Mitwah
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by skeldon_man:
Originally Posted by JB:

Mr McLean works close with the PPP these days. He is like Mr Gold and Diamond. 

PNC train the man well. The PPP is scared of this PNC terrorist. If you can't beat 'em; join 'em.

Even before Ramjattan was ejected, many of us here have been writing about how the party have been highjacked and how the PPP has become a sanctuary for the PNC thugs. Today, the PPP centralism is not different from the Burnhamism of the 70's and 80's. The grass roots is shut out of any decision making. They need to be mobilized to rid the party of the so-called elitists who have usurped key positions for their own personal enrichment.

 

Mits

 

How can that process begin ? It has to start at the grassroots level. The Elitists in the PPP must go.

FM
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by skeldon_man:
Originally Posted by JB:

Mr McLean works close with the PPP these days. He is like Mr Gold and Diamond. 

PNC train the man well. The PPP is scared of this PNC terrorist. If you can't beat 'em; join 'em.

Even before Ramjattan was ejected, many of us here have been writing about how the party have been highjacked and how the PPP has become a sanctuary for the PNC thugs. Today, the PPP centralism is not different from the Burnhamism of the 70's and 80's. The grass roots is shut out of any decision making. They need to be mobilized to rid the party of the so-called elitists who have usurped key positions for their own personal enrichment.

 

Mits

 

How can that process begin ? It has to start at the grassroots level. The Elitists in the PPP must go.

get a gun and kill the mother *****ers

FM
Originally Posted by warrior:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by skeldon_man:
Originally Posted by JB:

Mr McLean works close with the PPP these days. He is like Mr Gold and Diamond. 

PNC train the man well. The PPP is scared of this PNC terrorist. If you can't beat 'em; join 'em.

Even before Ramjattan was ejected, many of us here have been writing about how the party have been highjacked and how the PPP has become a sanctuary for the PNC thugs. Today, the PPP centralism is not different from the Burnhamism of the 70's and 80's. The grass roots is shut out of any decision making. They need to be mobilized to rid the party of the so-called elitists who have usurped key positions for their own personal enrichment.

 

Mits

 

How can that process begin ? It has to start at the grassroots level. The Elitists in the PPP must go.

get a gun and kill the mother *****ers

Bid Mouth IDIOT, Instead of telling others why don't you instead of shitting in your Pants JAXHASS!!!

Nehru
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by skeldon_man:
Originally Posted by JB:

Mr McLean works close with the PPP these days. He is like Mr Gold and Diamond. 

PNC train the man well. The PPP is scared of this PNC terrorist. If you can't beat 'em; join 'em.

Even before Ramjattan was ejected, many of us here have been writing about how the party have been highjacked and how the PPP has become a sanctuary for the PNC thugs. Today, the PPP centralism is not different from the Burnhamism of the 70's and 80's. The grass roots is shut out of any decision making. They need to be mobilized to rid the party of the so-called elitists who have usurped key positions for their own personal enrichment.

 

Mits

 

How can that process begin ? It has to start at the grassroots level. The Elitists in the PPP must go.

yuji and Mits, it will be a herculean task, very daunting and difficult. Let me explain.

The PPP adopted democratic centralism as its modus operandi in 1969, the same year I joined the party. The PPP still practices democratic centralism. So, I was intimately familiar with the system during the period 1969-92 while I was with them.

Under that system, grassroots members cannot elect Party leaders directly. At the group level, delegates to congress are supposed to be elected by majority vote. That rarely happens. At the district committee level, where groups in the district are represented, decisions are supposed to be made through majority vote. That rarely happens too. At the regional committee level, where districts in the region are represented, decisions are supposed to be taken by majority vote. That rarely happens there too.

At congresses, delegates vote for a 35-member central committee. Because many delegates are handpicked or inexperienced, and because intense lobbying and campaigning and character smearing takes place in between working sessions, the results of Central Committee elections are often controversial though not officially disputed.

That 35-member Central Committee elects from among themselves a 15-member Executive Committee which is the real power-house in the PPP. But here, too, decisions are supposed to be taken by majority vote, meaning that 8 persons have great power in their hands. Cheddi Jagan's son Joey used to call them the Gang of 8. These 8 bigwigs run the show all the way down to the group level. They can reject any group decision, as they did when the Campbellville group voted for the removal of Marxism-Leninism and democratic centralism.

This system has caused members who have genuine grievances to leave the PPP in disgust, bitterness and anger.

 

FM
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by skeldon_man:
Originally Posted by JB:

Mr McLean works close with the PPP these days. He is like Mr Gold and Diamond. 

PNC train the man well. The PPP is scared of this PNC terrorist. If you can't beat 'em; join 'em.

Even before Ramjattan was ejected, many of us here have been writing about how the party have been highjacked and how the PPP has become a sanctuary for the PNC thugs. Today, the PPP centralism is not different from the Burnhamism of the 70's and 80's. The grass roots is shut out of any decision making. They need to be mobilized to rid the party of the so-called elitists who have usurped key positions for their own personal enrichment.

 

Mits

 

How can that process begin ? It has to start at the grassroots level. The Elitists in the PPP must go.

yuji and Mits, it will be a herculean task, very daunting and difficult. Let me explain.

The PPP adopted democratic centralism as its modus operandi in 1969, the same year I joined the party. The PPP still practices democratic centralism. So, I was intimately familiar with the system during the period 1969-92 while I was with them.

Under that system, grassroots members cannot elect Party leaders directly. At the group level, delegates to congress are supposed to be elected by majority vote. That rarely happens. At the district committee level, where groups in the district are represented, decisions are supposed to be made through majority vote. That rarely happens too. At the regional committee level, where districts in the region are represented, decisions are supposed to be taken by majority vote. That rarely happens there too.

At congresses, delegates vote for a 35-member central committee. Because many delegates are handpicked or inexperienced, and because intense lobbying and campaigning and character smearing takes place in between working sessions, the results of Central Committee elections are often controversial though not officially disputed.

That 35-member Central Committee elects from among themselves a 15-member Executive Committee which is the real power-house in the PPP. But here, too, decisions are supposed to be taken by majority vote, meaning that 8 persons have great power in their hands. Cheddi Jagan's son Joey used to call them the Gang of 8. These 8 bigwigs run the show all the way down to the group level. They can reject any group decision, as they did when the Campbellville group voted for the removal of Marxism-Leninism and democratic centralism.

This system has caused members who have genuine grievances to leave the PPP in disgust, bitterness and anger.

 

Thank you Gilly.

Mitwah
Last edited by Mitwah
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
 

This system has caused members who have genuine grievances to leave the PPP in disgust, bitterness and anger.

 

Unfortunately those who left did not distinguish themselves as true agents of change and improvements. They fell into the trap of "the enemy of your enemy is my friend" instead of solidifying their own identity.

FM

I already questioned one of the so called evidence documents last week. The type face didn't match. So I am not surprised if there are more of these fabricated documents. With modern day technology it is quite easy to forge documents. The PPP drugs cartel isn't fooling anyone.

Mr.T
Originally Posted by Mr.T:

I already questioned one of the so called evidence documents last week. The type face didn't match. So I am not surprised if there are more of these fabricated documents. With modern day technology it is quite easy to forge documents. The PPP drugs cartel isn't fooling anyone.

Fortunately it can be challenged through the proper channel.

FM
Originally Posted by Mitwah:

Walter Rodney Commission of Inquiry…Witness question authenticity of documents tendered

June 7, 2014 | By | Filed Under News 

By Latoya Giles Several documents which have been tendered to the Walter Rodney Commission of Inquiry appear to have been forged. One of the documents is an “account form” which Major General Norman McLean was questioned about on Thursday when he was giving evidence. The document which allegedly shows the movement of several high profile weapons from the Guyana Defence Force to the People’s National Congress and ultimately to the House of Israel religious group, has raised eyebrows.  signature The signature attached to the document was that of former Army Major Godwin McPherson. McPherson died several years ago. McLean, after seeing that document had immediately asked that a “handwriting” expert be summoned to determine its authenticity. Yesterday Kaieteur News managed to get a copy of the “account form” which was tendered.  The document was part of a police file which was submitted by Crime Chief, Leslie James. The document which is dated June 24, 1979 claims that the army handed over 19, G3 Rifles, 19, G3 Bayonett snipers, 1500 rounds of, 7.62 ammunition, ten browning pistols and 500 rounds of 9mm ammunition. These items according to the document were chargeable to the PNC for the House of Israel.  However several sources close to the now dead Mc Pherson are refuting that he signed the document and have produced other documents purportedly signed by him on which the signature is different. This has now caused some amount of concern about whether the documents have been willfully submitted to the Commission to publicly embarrass the officer and his family. This has also brought into question the authenticity of other documents which have been provided to the Commission by the police. On Thursday, Major General McLean said that he was familiar with the signature of the late army officer and denied that the signature attached to a document shown to him was that of McPherson’s. McLean immediately asked that the Commission summon a handwriting expert to determine the authenticity of the document. McLean was also shown a payroll document with the name “Smith” attached to it.  That document was dated May 24, 1979. According to McLean, the document speaks directly to something that looks as though it was “cut and pasted”.  McLean again said that the payroll document failed to state who collected salaries and was devoid of signatures. Lawyer for the Commission, Glenn Hanoman, claimed that the “payroll” document was acquired from the GDF and said it is his intention to call the officer who supplied the documents at a later date to testify. PNC lead counsel Attorney at Law Basil Williams and Guyana Trades Union lawyer Selwyn Pieters had argued on Thursday that the Commission should make available, original documents and witnesses’ statements. Pieters questioned why documents relevant to Walter Rodney’s death were not in the Commission’s possession before witnesses were called. According to Pieters, all the relevant documents should have been handed over to the Commission in all fairness to witnesses.  As such, Pieters suggested that McLean should not be questioned further on army records since the   original documents weren’t presented.

Norman will meet the maker soon and yet he continue to mislead.  HELL???

FM
Originally Posted by KishanB:
Norman will meet the maker soon and yet he continue to mislead.  HELL???

he is actually on the money dat alyuh tendering forged documents!

 

who's doing de "mislead[ing]" now u confused lil antiman?

FM

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