Was Jesus Sent to be Crucified
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The Koran mentions 5 prophets. Why did Mohommad claimed that Allah acknowleged him with more praises than Abrahim, Mossua and the other two.
The Koran mentions 5 prophets. Why did Mohommad claimed that Allah acknowleged him with more praises than Abrahim, Mossua and the other two.
Jesus said in the Gospel that of all the prophets, John was the greatest. It is widely believed that that status was given to John because his role was to herald in Jesus. Likewise, the greatness associated with Jesus in the Qur'an is because of his role to herald in Muhammad.
Jesus did not die on cross, says scholar
Jesus may not have died nailed to the cross because there is no evidence that the Romans crucified prisoners two thousand years ago, a scholar has claimed.
The legend of his execution is based on the traditions of the Christian church and artistic illustrations rather than antique texts, according to theologian Gunnar Samuelsson.
He claims the Bible has been misinterpreted as there are no explicit references the use of nails or to crucifixion - only that Jesus bore a "staurus" towards Calvary which is not necessarily a cross but can also mean a "pole".
Mr Samuelsson, who has written a 400-page thesis after studying the original texts, said: "The problem is descriptions of crucifixions are remarkably absent in the antique literature.
"The sources where you would expect to find support for the established understanding of the event really don't say anything."
The ancient Greek, Latin and Hebrew literature from Homer to the first century AD describe an arsenal of suspension punishments but none mention "crosses" or "crucifixion."
Mr Samuelsson, of Gothenburg University, said: "Consequently, the contemporary understanding of crucifixion as a punishment is severely challenged.
"And what's even more challenging is the same can be concluded about the accounts of the crucifixion of Jesus. The New Testament doesn't say as much as we'd like to believe."
Any evidence that Jesus was left to die after being nailed to a cross is strikingly sparse - both in the ancient pre-Christian and extra-Biblical literature as well as The Bible.
Mr Samuelsson, a committed Christian himself, admitted his claims are so close to the heart of his faith that it is easy to react emotionally instead of logically.
Mr Samuelsson said the actual execution texts do not describe how Christ was attached to the execution device.
He said: "This is the heart of the problem. The text of the passion narratives is not that exact and information loaded, as we Christians sometimes want it to be."
Mr Samuelsson said: "If you are looking for texts that depict the act of nailing persons to a cross you will not find any beside the Gospels."
A lot of contemporary literature all use the same vague terminology - including the Latin accounts.
Nor does the Latin word crux automatically refer to a cross while patibulum refer to the cross-beam. Both words are used in a wider sense that that.
Mr Samuelsson said: "That a man named Jesus existed in that part of the world and in that time is well-documented. He left a rather good foot-print in the literature of the time.
"I do believe that the mentioned man is the son of God. My suggestion is not that Christians should reject or doubt the biblical text.
"My suggestion is that we should read the text as it is, not as we think it is. We should read on the lines, not between the lines. The text of the Bible is sufficient. We do not need to add anything."
Perhaps, you should read the Book of Enoch. One could easily see the accounts of Mohammad is copy of Enoch acension into heaven and is given a preferred place ahead of all other righteous patriachs. And Enoch's accounts of seeing the Messiah and his purpose for the redemption of mankind.
The best source for this information should be the Holy Bible but even the authenticity of this book is questionable
can you stick to the topic please, this is a typical trend you people follow when asked to defend the stories in the Holy Bible. Let's have a meaningful discussion please.Thanks in advance
The best source for this information should be the Holy Bible but even the authenticity of this book is questionable
The books of the Bible was selected by men who professed to be guided by the holy spirit. Those men rejected text that seemed out of their sphere. But, today with all we know, the text they omitted addresses questions of the Elected One.
well given the inconsistencies and lack of information as relates to the death or Jesus one has the rights to question the source. How long after the death of Jesus was the new testament was complied?
The books of the Bible was selected by men who professed to be guided by the holy spirit. Those men rejected text that seemed out of their sphere. But, today with all we know, the text they omitted addresses questions of the Elected One.
Are you saying that Paul et. al. were not sufficiently guided by the Holy Spirit?
Muslims don't believe that Jesus was crucified or killed in the manner as understood by Christians. The Qur'an states that '.....but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but it was made to appear to them and those who differ are full of doubts, with no certain knowledge except conjecture for certainly they did not kill him". Incidentally, as you read the passages in the Bible relating to this event, they narratives are very sketchy and make believe and conjecture as well as doubtful.
The books of the Bible was selected by men who professed to be guided by the holy spirit. Those men rejected text that seemed out of their sphere. But, today with all we know, the text they omitted addresses questions of the Elected One.
Are you saying that Paul et. al. were not sufficiently guided by the Holy Spirit?
Bai, me sey the selection of the books that were chosen to be in the Bible.
Muslims don't believe that Jesus was crucified or killed in the manner as understood by Christians. The Qur'an states that '.....but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but it was made to appear to them and those who differ are full of doubts, with no certain knowledge except conjecture for certainly they did not kill him". Incidentally, as you read the passages in the Bible relating to this event, they narratives are very sketchy and make believe and conjecture as well as doubtful.
Suh, wah yuh think happened to Him?
well given the inconsistencies and lack of information as relates to the death or Jesus one has the rights to question the source. How long after the death of Jesus was the new testament was complied?
At the day of Pentecost.
the two men next to jesus on the cross,look like ppp ministers hard to tell which one,they all thief alike
the two men next to jesus on the cross,look like ppp ministers hard to tell which one,they all thief alike
Paradise is not heaven, they have to answer. Dey money can't help them in that part of the universe.
these people crazy, their God was killed on a stake or cross who knows.
"Jesus did not die on cross, says scholar
Jesus may not have died nailed to the cross because there is no evidence that the Romans crucified prisoners two thousand years ago, a scholar has claimed."
Yes he did die on the cross as claimed. I saw it in Monthy Pythin's "Life Of Brian" I urge you all to see this great film.