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Are Indians by nature unhygienic?

B.S.RAGHAVAN

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If there is a ranking of countries in respect of observance of standards of sanitation and hygiene, one can be sure that India would figure close to the bottom. Some time ago, a British MP, Lucy Ivimy, was reported to have said that Indians did not know how to dispose of their rubbish and are congenital litterbugs.

 

From time to time, in their unguarded moments, highly placed persons in advanced industrial countries have burst out against Indians for being filthy and dirty in their ways of life. A majority of visitors to India from those countries complain of “Delhi belly” within a few hours of arrival, and some fall seriously ill.

 

There is no point in getting infuriated or defensive about this. The general lack of cleanliness and hygiene hits the eye wherever one goes in India — hotels, hospitals, households, work places, railway trains, airplanes and, yes, temples. Indians think nothing of spitting whenever they like and wherever they choose, and living in surroundings which they themselves make unliveable by their dirty habits.

 

The Indian Public Health Association has regularly been reporting the “scary situation” in Indian hotels, restaurants and eateries. The last, in particular, do not follow hygienic practices, use unclean containers, utensils and cups and plates and are often located near open drains or garbage bins.

Most mid-day meal kitchens in schools are no better.

 

DIRTIEST CLOTHES

Recently, Minister of Rural Development Jairam Ramesh courted a controversy with his remark that India needed more toilets than temples. Open defecation has become so rooted in India that even when toilet facilities are provided, the spaces round temple complexes, temple tanks, beaches, parks, pavements, and indeed, any open area are covered with faecal matter.

 

Some years ago, while staying at the Guest House of an undertaking, I watched with disbelief the wife of a fellow-guest occupying another room letting her child out into the compound to do its business. When I asked her why she was doing it when there was a good attached bath-room, she blandly said that the child was not comfortable with any other mode of evacuation. True story!

 

If one wants to keep one’s sanity, one should avoid entering the kitchen of a hotel or even an ordinary household. I sometimes wonder how we are still alive eating at our hotels. At the dining hall of a posh mansion hired out for weddings, I noticed stacks of dahi vadas and jalebis kept covered by the dirtiest clothes I ever saw.

 

Here are some sample findings from a published study conducted by Hygiene Council and supported by Reckitt Benckiser:

 

All swabbed kitchen cloths in India are heavily contaminated and found to be the dirtiest item in Indian households; in 92 per cent cases, chopping boards and knives are found to be contaminated; 45 per cent of home makers do not wash fruit and 51 per cent of them do not wash vegetables before eating; only 44 per cent of them clean and disinfect their child's lunch box every day; only 44 per cent of children are made to wash their hands after playing outside.

 

INTRIGUING FEATURE

The other day, filth and muck reportedly prevented the Minister of Shipping G. K. Vasan from stepping on to the Chennai beach from where he wanted to watch the tugging away of a stranded tanker.

 

One would presume that at least the passengers travelling air-conditioned classes in Indian trains paying costly fares would come from more hygienically sensitive strata of society. But no: Within a few hours, the coaches are choked with all kinds of litter, commodes are blocked with all kinds of stuff, flushes rendered dysfunctional and washbasins put out of use.

 

Even as Indians, we are forced to recoil with horror at the infinite tolerance of fellow Indians to pile-ups of garbage, overflowing sewage, open drains and generally foul-smelling environs. Governments too naturally reflect the same traits. Go to any government hospital, for instance.

 

An intriguing feature of this scenario is the general appearance of cleanliness and tidiness of churches, mosque, gurdwaras and Buddhist and Jain places of worship in contrast to the repelling conditions of Hindu temples and related establishments.

 

Are Indians, then, by nature oblivious to standards of hygiene? And among Indians, are Hindus more indifferent in these respects than others?

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How can India stop people urinating in public?

Images of Hindu gods protect a wall from urinaters Images of gods help to protect this wall
 
 

Spend any time in India, and you will see men urinating in public. In the state of Rajasthan last month volunteers began shaming offenders by drumming and blowing whistles. But some argue the country also needs more, and better, public toilets.

 

A few days after we moved to India my son pointed to a group of men standing in front of a wall near our flat. They were all laughing and joking as they urinated in public. He looked at me, confused, and said, "Why are they doing that?"

 

Five years on, I am still trying to find an answer. Travel around the world's largest democracy and you better watch where you are walking as you will find men - and it is almost always men - urinating and spitting everywhere. An Indian friend of mine recently joked that it has become a national pastime.

 

"We will do it anywhere," he said with some pride.

 
 

Garbage and sewage

Young woman collecting waste

Even as Indians, we are forced to recoil with horror at the infinite tolerance of fellow Indians to pile-ups of garbage, overflowing sewage, open drains and generally foul-smelling environs. Governments too naturally reflect the same traits. Go to any government hospital, for instance.

 




 

The decision by the authorities in part of Rajasthan to try and stop people urinating in public by embarrassing them has started a debate here.

A columnist in one of the country's most popular English language newspapers recently asked the question, "Are Indians by nature unhygienic?"

His answer, which angered a number of his readers, was "Yes".

Armed with a copy of his article, I decided to pose the same question to some friends of mine.

Bikram, part of India's new young cash-rich middle class, was the first to answer. After glaring at me for a few seconds he said: "How can you even ask such a stupid question?"

The answer was quite simple, he added. "There are just not enough toilets here." There were lots of nodding heads around the table.

Bikram had a point. India's rural development minister Jairam Ramesh recently said that the country needed toilets more than temples. Almost half of the homes in the world's largest democracy do not have one. His comments led to protests outside his house. But a few days later he urged women not to get married unless there was a toilet in their new homes.

Man urinating against wall

There was silence following Bikram's comments. It looked as though our discussion was over.

 

But then Tina, a housewife, decided to have her say. "It is not about toilets, it is about a lack of civic sense," she said, adding that just a few hours earlier she had seen a man urinating on the street, right in front of a public toilet.

 

"It happens all the time, and it is disgusting," she said.

I looked at Bikram, hoping for a response, but he had nothing to say and pretended that he had to make an urgent call. But a friend of mine from Mumbai, Raju, shook his head.

 

"Have you ever been to a public toilet?" he asked.

Indian contradictions

Mobile phone user, Delhi
  • Nearly half of India's 1.2bn people have no toilet at home and defecate in the open
  • But more than half the population - 53.2% - have a mobile phone

"They stink. I had one near my house and they had to knock it down as you could not walk within 50 yards of it without being physically sick."

Tina, though, was now in full flow.

"Well that is because of caste," she said. "We expect people from lower castes to clean toilets. We will not do it. Until that changes the problem will remain."

 

Her friend Brinka, who was sitting next to her, wanted to say something. Her eyes were fixed on all the men around the table.

"Can I ask you guys why we women can wait until we find a toilet but you men can't?" she asked. None of the men around the table dared to answer.

As I walked home I saw a man standing on the pavement.

Legs apart. You can guess what he was doing.

I asked him in Hindi: "Why could you not wait till you got home or find a toilet?"

 

He looked at me like I was mad. "This is India sir... this is what we do," he replied.

 

Listening to our conversation was a policeman. I asked him why he did not stop him. With a smile on his face, he said: "What is the point?"

Those words kept ringing in my head as I continued my walk home. How could you solve the problem with that attitude?

 

As I looked up, I saw pictures of the gods on the wall in front of me.

They had been placed outside a house so that people would not urinate on it. India may need more toilets than temples - but in this deeply religious country, it seems that divine intervention is the only thing that can stop men from urinating in public.

FM

If indeed you are a Guyanese, a buckman to be specific, you would acknowledge that you shyte in the bush just as the Indians do, I don't believe that buck people had toilet facilities, they shyte wherever convenient. So don't throw stones if you live in glass house. 

On another note, India is a large nation, this example is not indicative of the entire nation as more and more the population is changing their outlook on what is considered to be the norm.  Just like any other developing nation. 

FM
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:

If indeed you are a Guyanese, a buckman to be specific, you would acknowledge that you shyte in the bush just as the Indians do, I don't believe that buck people had toilet facilities, they shyte wherever convenient. So don't throw stones if you live in glass house. 

On another note, India is a large nation, this example is not indicative of the entire nation as more and more the population is changing their outlook on what is considered to be the norm.  Just like any other developing nation. 

You are indeed a lout. This is a problem that needs to be addressed and is not a problem for my people who presently have abstracted the good habit to build toilets as a essential habit of hygiene.

 

I did not write the articles. One was by an indian commenting on what VS Naipaul called the curse of Indians,  mental and actual "communal defecation".

 

These articles are part of a global initiative to improve the lives of Indian people. Without sanitary habits they cannot develop. Further, they invented water toilets and indoor plumbing so they ought to make it a reality in their present lives.

 

The fact remains that Indians, for whatever reasons have continued to live in a society where the build houses and cities with nary a thought for  no advance planning for sewer systems and private toilets much less public ones!. This combined with their cruel habit of slavery and castism is a curse on the planet and a blight to themselves.

 

And yes I am Guyanese and I am proud to be the child of a native woman and I am proud of my indian and white heritages as well. BTW, I hope you do not shit in the woods in maplewoods, NJ! You apparently see virtue in this.

FM

This guy should be given wan backdam bust r-ss for hinting that Indians are by nature unhygienic.  Poverty is the cause.  Our ancestors lost the battles to the Europeans who can now afford to build tiolets and sinks with stolen loot from us.

Prashad

A Country like India should be ashamed to have this happenin. If Bihar wants to have it, let them but the Civilised areas MUST STOP this NOw!!! There is NO EXCUSE for such nastiness.

Nehru

STROMBORN: "And yes I am Guyanese and I am proud to be the child of a native woman and I am proud of my indian and white heritages as well. BTW, I hope you do not shit in the woods in maplewoods, NJ! You apparently see virtue in this."


This is classic stuff. I am in class cracking up...my students think I am crazy. 

FM
Originally Posted by TK:

STROMBORN: "And yes I am Guyanese and I am proud to be the child of a native woman and I am proud of my indian and white heritages as well. BTW, I hope you do not shit in the woods in maplewoods, NJ! You apparently see virtue in this."


This is classic stuff. I am in class cracking up...my students think I am crazy. 

They think?? They know you are bloody Crazy and they wasted money paying to take your Class.

Nehru
Originally Posted by Nehru:
Originally Posted by TK:

STROMBORN: "And yes I am Guyanese and I am proud to be the child of a native woman and I am proud of my indian and white heritages as well. BTW, I hope you do not shit in the woods in maplewoods, NJ! You apparently see virtue in this."


This is classic stuff. I am in class cracking up...my students think I am crazy. 

They think?? They know you are bloody Crazy and they wasted money paying to take your Class.

 Well you know they pay me. I'm watching them pushing the limits on my exam. Have a good weekend Pavi and enjoy the henny and poke cuttahs. 

FM
Originally Posted by Prashad:

This guy should be given wan backdam bust r-ss for hinting that Indians are by nature unhygienic.  Poverty is the cause.  Our ancestors lost the battles to the Europeans who can now afford to build tiolets and sinks with stolen loot from us.

Poverty is not the cause. Were that the case the conclusion could be made that poor people are unhygienic and that is clearly not so. This is a habit inculcated out of India's intractable caste culture. The idea of not sharing public facilities as "unclean" people may use them and contaminate the upper caste. I have no idea why public defecation on open spaces is preferable to having in house to toilets. That a big country like that prefers not to build in sewer system as standard in its design of cities is abhorrent. It is more than a cultural blindness. It is obscene.

 

Your idea of taking me to the backdam for a beat down for speaking the truth is in the arena of "mental communal defecation" or simply silly cultural pride in concealing a public wrong.

FM
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Originally Posted by BGurd_See:

If indeed you are a Guyanese, a buckman to be specific, you would acknowledge that you shyte in the bush just as the Indians do, I don't believe that buck people had toilet facilities, they shyte wherever convenient. So don't throw stones if you live in glass house. 

On another note, India is a large nation, this example is not indicative of the entire nation as more and more the population is changing their outlook on what is considered to be the norm.  Just like any other developing nation. 

Amerindians who live in Gtwn do not defecate on the street.  People do in India.  They apparently do this even when they have access to toilets.

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:

If indeed you are a Guyanese, a buckman to be specific, you would acknowledge that you shyte in the bush just as the Indians do, I don't believe that buck people had toilet facilities, they shyte wherever convenient. So don't throw stones if you live in glass house. 

On another note, India is a large nation, this example is not indicative of the entire nation as more and more the population is changing their outlook on what is considered to be the norm.  Just like any other developing nation. 

Amerindians who live in Gtwn do not defecate on the street.  They do in India.  They apparently do this even when they have access to toilets.

I didn't know Amerindians live in India. That's breaking news?

FM
Originally Posted by skeldon_man:
 

I didn't know Amerindians live in India. That's breaking news?


Read amended post.  Understand that those Guyanese Indians who fool themselves that they are as Indian as the Indians from India will then have to admit to this behavior.

 

Maybe they will be less eager to claim to be this.

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by skeldon_man:
 

I didn't know Amerindians live in India. That's breaking news?


Read amended post.  Understand that those Guyanese Indians who fool themselves that they are as Indian as the Indians from India will then have to admit to this behavior.

 

Maybe they will be less eager to claim to be this.

I agree with your assessment. I never claim to be Indian as Indians from India. They scorn us. I had an argument with one of them and had to tell him to go feed his street beggars before criticizing other Indians.

FM
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
 

You are indeed a lout. This is a problem that needs to be addressed and is not a problem for my people who presently have abstracted the good habit to build toilets as a essential habit of hygiene.

 

I did not write the articles. One was by an indian commenting on what VS Naipaul called the curse of Indians,  mental and actual "communal defecation".

 

These articles are part of a global initiative to improve the lives of Indian people. Without sanitary habits they cannot develop. Further, they invented water toilets and indoor plumbing so they ought to make it a reality in their present lives.

 

The fact remains that Indians, for whatever reasons have continued to live in a society where the build houses and cities with nary a thought for  no advance planning for sewer systems and private toilets much less public ones!. This combined with their cruel habit of slavery and castism is a curse on the planet and a blight to themselves.

 

And yes I am Guyanese and I am proud to be the child of a native woman and I am proud of my indian and white heritages as well. BTW, I hope you do not shit in the woods in maplewoods, NJ! You apparently see virtue in this.

You are the lout as you seek to generalize the entire nation based on this article. The title of this thread would be offensive to any Indian from India reading this forum. 

FM
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
 

You are indeed a lout. This is a problem that needs to be addressed and is not a problem for my people who presently have abstracted the good habit to build toilets as a essential habit of hygiene.

 

I did not write the articles. One was by an indian commenting on what VS Naipaul called the curse of Indians,  mental and actual "communal defecation".

 

These articles are part of a global initiative to improve the lives of Indian people. Without sanitary habits they cannot develop. Further, they invented water toilets and indoor plumbing so they ought to make it a reality in their present lives.

 

The fact remains that Indians, for whatever reasons have continued to live in a society where the build houses and cities with nary a thought for  no advance planning for sewer systems and private toilets much less public ones!. This combined with their cruel habit of slavery and castism is a curse on the planet and a blight to themselves.

 

And yes I am Guyanese and I am proud to be the child of a native woman and I am proud of my indian and white heritages as well. BTW, I hope you do not shit in the woods in maplewoods, NJ! You apparently see virtue in this.

You are the lout as you seek to generalize the entire nation based on this article. The title of this thread would be offensive to any Indian from India reading this forum. 

 I am saying the society has a problem if "A majority of visitors to India from those countries complain of “Delhi belly” within a few hours of arrival, and some fall seriously ill...." and if "kitchen cloths in India are heavily contaminated and found to be the dirtiest item in Indian households; in 92 per cent cases, chopping boards and knives are found to be contaminated; 45 per cent of home makers do not wash fruit and 51 per cent of them do not wash vegetables before eating; only 44 per cent of them clean and disinfect their child's lunch box every day; only 44 per cent of children are made to wash their hands after playing outside"...Further, if "Nearly half of India's 1.2bn people have no toilet at home and defecate in the open...they have a problem. Even Indians "are forced to recoil with horror at the infinite tolerance of fellow Indians to pile-ups of garbage, overflowing sewage, open drains and generally foul-smelling environs"..."A columnist in one of the country's most popular English language newspapers recently asked the question, "Are Indians by nature unhygienic?" His answer, ... was "Yes".



I do not care if Indians from India would be angry. That would be a wasted sentiment since the conditions described above is the reality. Remember recently a head of GOPIO said of guyanese indians....that they are filthy, backward, not keen on educating their kids and prone to violence....his words not mine. This puts to lie his fantasy...and yours!!!!!

FM

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