@Prashad posted:

Don't worry with them. 10 minutes with big batty and his AK-47 and they will know what Holocaust is all about.

When Indians deliberately cover up crimes against Indians you know that they have lost all dignity.

@Prashad posted:

Django did you work for Greco in Guyana?

Naah ,Little Mo on Robb St.

@Bibi Haniffa posted:

What truth? Both of you are covering crimes against Indians.  Ask yourselves why. 

You got to be kidding.

@Bibi Haniffa posted:

When the Indians arrived In 1838 the slaves were removed from the plantations and Indians moved in as indentured laborers. The slaves bought two villages at Victoria which was Plantation Northbrook, and Buxton.

Are you re-writing history ? revisit East Indian Indentured to British Guiana.

@Django posted:

Are you re-writing history ?

No.  Just correcting the lies that you and others have been propagating to cover Up crimes against Indians.  

@Bibi Haniffa posted:

No.  Just correcting the lies that you and others have been propagating to cover Up crimes against Indians.  

Unfortunately you aren't correcting anything ,you are misinformed.

@Django posted:

Naah ,Little Mo on Robb St.

Okay. I was going to ask you if you know a man call Mr. Stevens from Greco. He was a senior engineer.

@Prashad posted:

Okay. I was going to ask you if you know a man call Mr. Stevens from Greco. He was a senior engineer.

Yeah i know him ,some of my tech friends was working at Guyana Stores,also the company i worked for bought amplifiers from GRECO, he will visit the store periodically.

I know most of  the techs in GT and parts of the country, we all get along in friendliness.

@Django posted:

Unfortunately you aren't correcting anything ,you are misinformed.

Indian Diaspora World Information on Wismar massacre By NG News Desk -  By Annesha Das Gupta.

Heard of Guyana? It is a country in South America, bordered by Brazil, Suriname and Venezuela. Spread over an area of 83,000 square miles, Guyana has a population of approximately 750 thousand (7.5 Lakh). 43 percent of population is formed by people of East Indian ancestry (Indo-Guyanese), followed by Afro-Guyanese ancestry who form about 30 % of the population. Wismar is a locality in Guyana. Wismar massacre culminated on the day of 26th May, 1964. This date is special for the people of Guyana, as it is celebrated by them as the Guyana Independence day. Though there is another side to this coin, rather a dark one. Something which was kept well-hidden, for almost four decades, in the archives of the Guyana Government and also in the minds of the Indo-Guyanese. Yes, the side which denotes the day of the Wismar massacre. A day when more than 3000 Indo-Guyanese where murdered, severely injured, burned and raped by 18000 of the African population. An incidence, which the African government continue to deny. This article is constructed by garnering and processing through the sources available on the internet. Especially from the blog known as Guyana under Siege. In the blog, one will find the Wismar Report prepared back in the days of 1964 under the order of the then British Guiana governor, Sir Richard Luyt. The surprising part is that the report saw the light of the day as late as 2004 and was published by GNI Publications. It took special effort of Dr. Odeen Ismael, who was the former historian-ambassador for the government of People’s Progress Party, though the report is only available online. Another thing is that one will not be able to secure much resource on the topic, no matter how much they trawl through the cyber world.

Perhaps, it is not as astonishing as it sounds after all the histories are always written by the victorious ones. How? One will ask. Because sometimes battles are won and sometimes they are not. And the one who lose, do not often get to tell their side of the tale. The Wismar Massacre Wismar and Christianburg were the villages where the bauxite mining communities used to live, surrounding the region of the upper Demarara River. It was mixed community where both the members of the Indo-Guyanese and African-Guyanese used to reside. With the population for the Afro-Guyanese being as high as 90%. Unrest started growing up in the month of May, 1964 around the areas of Wismar, Christianburg and Mackenzie. The workers in the sugar industries started holding strikes, demanding the recognition of the workers as bargaining agents. And it is known that the strikes were initiated by Guyana Agricultural Workers Union (G.AW.U). The committee who were responsible for the preparation of the Wismar Report regarded these strikes as essential to include in their report because the participants in those strikes were segregated as East-Indians who mostly supported People’s Progress Party by Dr. Cheddi B. Jagan, whereas the African majority were on the side of People’s National Congress of Mr. Forbes Burnham. Therefore, indicating a racial as well as a political tension. While in the beginning the strikes were of a more peaceful nature, it did evolved into a violent one as clashes started between the strikers and the non-strikers, with the Africans being employed as the strike breakers.

Some people were killed incidentally and both the sides claim them as their very own ‘martyrs’. Later these clashes intensified into a pandemonium which took part in the greater portions of the East and the West coasts of Demerara. On 21st May, an African couple, were killed when a bomb hit their house. After that the situation went out of hand and a state of emergency was declared after three days. The massacre in the Wismar-Chistianburg and Mackenzie area lasted for a total of 38 hours; between 24th May, Sunday to 26th May, Tuesday – 1964. According to the committee, over 230 Indo-Guyanese homes and houses were destroyed, a person was even set on fire. Mr. Ramajjattan, a supporter of the PPP was found decapitated and a 15-year old girl was raped and apart from receiving physical injuries, went through a terrible mental shock. The thing is that these are just some of the instances mentioned among hundreds which have gone uncounted. The Africans who took part in the violence entered into the houses of the Indians hitting and molesting them while they shouted “kill de coolies”. The people, who managed to escape from their villages, remained hidden in the forests nearby. Unfortunately, the African mob followed them are hunted them down like animals. In the process over 1500 people became homeless. In the following days of 26th, 27th and 28th May, more than 500 of the Indo-Guyanese came out from their hidings in the forest and were taken to the refugee camps in Georgetown. Two river streamers were commissioned by the government to take the first batch of the Indo-Guyanese to Georgetown where the Africans pelted them with bricks, jeered and used shabby language at them, on their arrival. About 300 of the total number of Indians found shelters with their relatives while the rest had to sleep on the concrete floor of the pier warehouse. Seventy-five members of the Mackenzie Police and Volunteer force, who were all Africans, did not take any step to prevent the massacre. Even some of them were found to have themselves being part of the looting, beating and killing of the Indo-Guyanese. The volunteers did not help in any way to stop two women from being raped and they were ultimately saved by the members of DEMBA.

In other instance, a young East-Indian was shot when he refused to go by their command. The committee for the Wismar report, concluded that the disturbances were politically and racially inspired and that it was be said to be a pre-planned massacre. Aftermath to the present As mentioned by the committee themselves, hardly anything was done by the Police and Volunteer force and the British troops arrived late in the evening when all over 3000 Indians were evacuated and most of them were re-settled in the coastal areas. Whereas, on 6th July in the same year a passenger launch named the Sun Champ which was en route from Georgetown to Mackenzie was hit by a huge explosion killing about 36 Afro-Guyanese. This incident was assumed by some Africans, to have the hands of East-Indians behind it. They became enraged and attacked the community, injuring many and killing about 5 people. Mrs. Janet Jagan, who was then the Minister of Home Affairs resigned from her position concerning the atrocities that has been done. She stated of the non-corporation from the Commissioner of Police, Mr. Owen, who did not follow her orders that were given early on 25th May for reinforcement and the dispatching of the British troops to the areas for the protection of life and property.

In the contemporary times, as mentioned by Rakesh Rampertab, editor of the blog, Guyanese under Siege, mentions a quote where it is cited that the descendants of the Indo-Guyanese people who were involved in the massacre refused to even pass on the information to the other generations either vocally or as a written record. Though not every part, of it is true. In the recent era some of the people have been seen to write to the newspapers demanding the reimbursement or the compensation to the victims who have gone through such violent times. They want the African government to confess and open up the files on the massacre which have been a well-guarded secret for so many years. Rampertab, also talks about how Mackenzie was renamed to Linden by Burnham. He cited that Linden Forbes Sampson Burnham, named the town after himself to mark it as his greatest political victory. He intended to stamp the massacre and show off his superiority. Burnham also made 26th May, 1966 as the Independence Day for Guyana. In reality, he wanted to register his own name on the massacre and sent a message to anyone from the Indo-Guyanese community who will dare to challenge him, will receive the same fate as that of the Wismar massacre. It is further mentioned that the whole event was used as a tool of racial violence by Burnham’s PNC and Peter D’ Aguiar’s UF to bring down Dr. Jagan’s PPP, exactly when it was at its zenith. Therefore, the quote from Mr. Raymond Ali might perhaps ring as true in one’s ear: “The massacre of Indo-Guyanese in Wismar and Christianburg has remained a well-hidden and well-guarded secret. Not only have Guyanese failed to record and seriously document part of our history but also the older generation of Indo-Guyanese have not passed on this information even orally. Up to today there is no accurate figures on the number of Indo-Guyanese that died during the Wismar massacre”. 

@Totaram posted:

It was neither.  I lived through that period and remember it being called the crisis, the riots and the disturbances.  It was a frightening period , which is why it is not advisable for people living out of Guyana to instigate violence there.  I don't want to trivialize the barbarity of what happened during the riots but to call it "holocaust" for example would trivialize the systematic eradication of six million Jews by the Nazis and their collaborators.  

Read the book 'US Intervention in British Guiana: A Cold War Story' by Stephen Rabe. It explains everything the CIA did to dethrone  Communist Jagan and install Burnum. George Bush Sr. who was with the CIA at the time, said "if the people found out what we did, they would lynch us."

https://www.amazon.com/U-S-Int...istory/dp/0807856398

In the first published account of the massive U.S. covert intervention in British Guiana between 1953 and 1969, Stephen G. Rabe uncovers a Cold War story of imperialism, gender bias, and racism.

When the South American colony now known as Guyana was due to gain independence from Britain in the 1960s, U.S. officials in the Kennedy and Johnson administrations feared it would become a communist nation under the leadership of Cheddi Jagan, a Marxist who was very popular among the South Asian (mostly Indian) majority. Although to this day the CIA refuses to confirm or deny involvement, Rabe presents evidence that CIA funding, through a program run by the AFL-CIO, helped foment the labor unrest, race riots, and general chaos that led to Jagan's replacement in 1964. The political leader preferred by the United States, Forbes Burnham, went on to lead a twenty-year dictatorship in which he persecuted the majority Indian population.

Considering race, gender, religion, and ethnicity along with traditional approaches to diplomatic history, Rabe's analysis of this Cold War tragedy serves as a needed corrective to interpretations that depict the Cold War as an unsullied U.S. triumph.

@Bibi Haniffa

There was no massacre [Large scale slaughter of people ] at Wismar . That topic was discussed many times on this forum.

The report states  7  East Indians death.

ACCOUNT OF NUMBER OF DEATHS, EXTENT OF INJURIES, LOSS AND DAMAGE

(a) Deaths

When one considers the number of East Indians evacuated, the large number of Africans in the area and the negligible opposition which the attackers encountered, the number of fatalities was indeed very small.

There were two East Indians who died on the 25th May, 1964. Richard Khan, aged about 18 years, died at the Mackenzie Hospital two hours after admission. He had been attending high school in Georgetown. The other, Pau1 Mirgin, who operated a tug, was married and lived with his wife and four sons in the Valley of Tears.

Gussie English* an African was shot on the 25th May, 1964. He died the same day.

On the 28th May, 1964, Isaac Bridgewater was killed. He was the father of Senator Christina Ramjattan and lived at Section C, Christianburg.

On the 27th May, 1964, Byron Wharton*, an African, died because of extensive burns suffered when he was trapped in a burning building.

Following the Sun Chapman disaster the bodies of 35 persons were taken to Mackenzie and 12 others were listed as missing or unidentified. All of these were Africans. The Sun Chapman incident resulted in five East Indians being murdered at Mackenzie.

There are no official records of the deaths of these persons as no entry has been made in the Register of Births and Deaths. The dispenser who is also the Sub-Registrar for Births and Deaths left for Georgetown on the 24th May and never returned. His place was looted. The present dispenser did not even prepare a temporary list of deaths from the Police record pending the report from the coroner. He did not attend at the Inquiry in order to be of some assistance to the Commissioners. The Assistant District Commissioner who supervises the Sub-Registrar has done nothing to regularise the position. Up to the time when evidence was being taken at the Inquiry the coroner's court had not started to enquire into these deaths.

[Editor's Note: * Gussie English and Byron Wharton met their deaths while they were involved in looting.]

Title -- REPORT OF THE WISMAR, CHRISTIANBURG AND MACKENZIE COMMISSION

Source -- http://www.guyana.org/features/wismar_report.html

Django there are many Indians like you and Ramakant who have tried over the last 50 years to cover up these crimes. There is documentation for all of this.  One of the Jaikarran family who lost seven members of their family in one night at Mahaicony, can relate his story to you.  He lives in Richmond Hill, Queens, and was one of the speakers at the Indian Diaspora Conference.

@Bibi Haniffa posted:

Django there are many Indians like you and Ramakant who have tried over the last 50 years to cover up these crimes. There is documentation for all of this.  One of the Jaikarran family who lost seven members of their family in one night at Mahaicony, can relate his story to you.  He was one of the speaks at the Indian Diaspora Conference.

I met the surviving member. He lives at Better Hope.

@Bibi Haniffa posted:

Django there are many Indians like you and Ramakant who have tried over the last 50 years to cover up these crimes. There is documentation for all of this.  One of the Jaikarran family who lost seven members of their family in one night at Mahaicony, can relate his story to you.  He was one of the speaks at the Indian Diaspora Conference.

Bibi ,all you are stated was discussed on this forum . There are lots of different tales of the early 60 crisis.

I was 9 yrs old in 1962 and have done research to find the facts. There are lots of information on GNI.

How about the Abrams family in Georgetown ?

Mr. Abraham was transferred to the Ministry of Works six months ago after documents disappeared from his office.

The bombs were thrown as the family slept. Mrs. Abraham escaped by jumping through a window. The other two children were away from home.

Terrorists also tried to burn down the home of Senator Ann Jardim, a member of the United Force party of Peter D’Aguiar.

https://www.nytimes.com/1964/0...-guiana-bombing.html

@Ramakant-P posted:

I met the surviving member. He lives at Better Hope.

I am speaking of the nephew who was a child that hid under a bed while his parents were murdered in the same room. He lives in Richmond Hill, NY.

@Bibi Haniffa posted:

I am speaking of the nephew who was a child that hid under a bed while his parents were murdered in the same room. He lives in Richmond Hill, NY.

OK! I had many relatives who lived in Mahacony. The incident occurred in Perth Village, on the Mahaicony branch road.

"Yes, the side which denotes the day of the Wismar massacre. A day when more than 3000 Indo-Guyanese where murdered, severely injured, burned and raped by 18000 of the African population. An incidence, which the African government continue to deny."  This quote is from the unattributed piece posted by Bibi. The article is very badly written and meant to exaggerate a massacre that did happen.  The wismar massacre happened and was investigated.  The report of the COI is available online.  It was a terrible event that sent fear through IndoGuyanese communities throughout British Guiana.  However, the quote above is factually incorrect and very clumsily worded.  Is the writer suggesting that 3000 Indo-Guyanese were murdered at Wismar or the totality of those murdered, severely injured, burned and raped was 3000.  And, was this done by "18000 of the African population"?  What a diabolical mind!

@Totaram posted:

"Yes, the side which denotes the day of the Wismar massacre. A day when more than 3000 Indo-Guyanese where murdered, severely injured, burned and raped by 18000 of the African population. An incidence, which the African government continue to deny."  This quote is from the unattributed piece posted by Bibi. The article is very badly written and meant to exaggerate a massacre that did happen.  The wismar massacre happened and was investigated.  The report of the COI is available online.  It was a terrible event that sent fear through IndoGuyanese communities throughout British Guiana.  However, the quote above is factually incorrect and very clumsily worded.  Is the writer suggesting that 3000 Indo-Guyanese were murdered at Wismar or the totality of those murdered, severely injured, burned and raped was 3000.  And, was this done by "18000 of the African population"?  What a diabolical mind!

There were only 400 people who died.   The survivors were taken to Annandale by the PPP.   I met them all.   Totabhai, your statistics are wrong.  Nobody said that the Wismar massacre didn't happen, but at least tell the truth.   I used to be a Political activist for the PPP at that time.

@Totaram posted:

"Yes, the side which denotes the day of the Wismar massacre. A day when more than 3000 Indo-Guyanese where murdered, severely injured, burned and raped by 18000 of the African population. An incidence, which the African government continue to deny."  This quote is from the unattributed piece posted by Bibi. The article is very badly written and meant to exaggerate a massacre that did happen.  The wismar massacre happened and was investigated.  The report of the COI is available online.  It was a terrible event that sent fear through IndoGuyanese communities throughout British Guiana.  However, the quote above is factually incorrect and very clumsily worded.  Is the writer suggesting that 3000 Indo-Guyanese were murdered at Wismar or the totality of those murdered, severely injured, burned and raped was 3000.  And, was this done by "18000 of the African population"?  What a diabolical mind!

Information on Wismar massacre- Annesha Das Gupta - got the Some Facts wrong.

Django · 5/27/17

Three years ago ,that article was nailed for being erroneous.

@Bibi Haniffa posted:

Django there are many Indians like you and Ramakant who have tried over the last 50 years to cover up these crimes. There is documentation for all of this.  One of the Jaikarran family who lost seven members of their family in one night at Mahaicony, can relate his story to you.  He lives in Richmond Hill, Queens, and was one of the speakers at the Indian Diaspora Conference.

I remember someone pointing out the spot where the Mahaicony family was wiped out.  I don't know of anyone who has denied that this happened.  

@Ramakant-P posted:

There were only 400 people who died.   The survivors were taken to Annandale by the PPP.   I met them all.   Totabhai, your statistics are wrong.  Nobody said that the Wismar massacre didn't happen, but at least tell the truth.   I used to be a Political activist for the PPP at that time.

Read what I wrote again.  The stats quoted are from the article Bibi posted.  I pointed out that they a grossly exaggerated.  I know what happened at Wismar.  BTW, Rama, you couldn't possibly have been old enough in 1964 to be a PPP activist.  

@Totaram posted:

Read what I wrote again.  The stats quoted are from the article Bibi posted.  I pointed out that they a grossly exaggerated.  I know what happened at Wismar.

  BTW, Rama, you couldn't possibly have been old enough in 1964 to be a PPP activist.  

Rama ,up there in age. He and Siege are the most senior members on the forum.

Dem two guys are cousins to Methuselah.

Just found this and thought of sharing...

@Django posted:

Rama ,up there in age. He and Siege are the most senior members on the forum.

From his writings, me thinks he's Reepu's nephew! 

@Former Member posted:

From his writings, me thinks he's Reepu's nephew! 

If such he have relatives at CI WCD.

@Totaram posted:

I remember someone pointing out the spot where the Mahaicony family was wiped out.  I don't know of anyone who has denied that this happened.  

My wife is related to the Jaikarans. She said they were Vigilantes armed with big guns and patrolling the Mahaicony Branch Road. Then the blacks showed them who had the power. They retaliated and shot and killed some of the black thugs!! 

@Totaram posted:

Read what I wrote again.  The stats quoted are from the article Bibi posted.  I pointed out that they a grossly exaggerated.  I know what happened at Wismar.  BTW, Rama, you couldn't possibly have been old enough in 1964 to be a PPP activist.  

I think he was already working with Corbin back in the days at Customs.

@Former Member posted:

Read the book 'US Intervention in British Guiana: A Cold War Story' by Stephen Rabe. It explains everything the CIA did to dethrone  Communist Jagan and install Burnum. George Bush Sr. who was with the CIA at the time, said "if the people found out what we did, they would lynch us."

https://www.amazon.com/U-S-Int...istory/dp/0807856398

In the first published account of the massive U.S. covert intervention in British Guiana between 1953 and 1969, Stephen G. Rabe uncovers a Cold War story of imperialism, gender bias, and racism.

When the South American colony now known as Guyana was due to gain independence from Britain in the 1960s, U.S. officials in the Kennedy and Johnson administrations feared it would become a communist nation under the leadership of Cheddi Jagan, a Marxist who was very popular among the South Asian (mostly Indian) majority. Although to this day the CIA refuses to confirm or deny involvement, Rabe presents evidence that CIA funding, through a program run by the AFL-CIO, helped foment the labor unrest, race riots, and general chaos that led to Jagan's replacement in 1964. The political leader preferred by the United States, Forbes Burnham, went on to lead a twenty-year dictatorship in which he persecuted the majority Indian population.

Considering race, gender, religion, and ethnicity along with traditional approaches to diplomatic history, Rabe's analysis of this Cold War tragedy serves as a needed corrective to interpretations that depict the Cold War as an unsullied U.S. triumph.

 

I found that book in the military college's library that I attended. It was an excellent book. I will buy a copy on Amazon.

Prash seems to be in a better mood today. That's nice. 

@Mitwah posted:

Prash seems to be in a better mood today. That's nice. 

Me thought only girls have moods!!  

@Totaram posted:

Read what I wrote again.  The stats quoted are from the article Bibi posted.  I pointed out that they a grossly exaggerated.  I know what happened at Wismar.  BTW, Rama, you couldn't possibly have been old enough in 1964 to be a PPP activist.  

I was eighteen years old then.  My father was treasurer of the PPP group for the Golden Grove/Nabaclis District.   I became an activist in Annandale after moving there in 1964. I met Cheddi and attended his party meetings many many times in Golden Grove.   I would have become PYO chairman in Annandale but cheddi had his own person so I back off from the nomination.