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New York Times' David Brooks in an opinion piece raised the question of how much is religion involved in Jihadism, or psychology, or politics? He added that "the core of our confusion is that we are unclear about what a religion is, and how it might relate to violence sometimes carried out in its name." So he borrowed from William James’s classic work, “The Varieties of Religious Experience.”

Essentially religion was used by two entities - a practical, political one (the spirit of corporate dominion) and an intellectual one (the spirit of dogmatic dominion) - that envelops the spirit of religion.

Brooks continued by saying that “the spirit of religion begins with a sense that God exists. God is the primary reality, and out of that flows a set of values and experiences: prayer, praise, charity, contrition, grace and the desire to grow closer toward holiness. Sincere faith begins with humility in relation to the Almighty and a sense of being strengthened by his infinite love.

He then used this logic to posit that “In some sense the phrase “Islamic radicalism” is wrong because terrorism is not a radical extension of this kind of faith. People don’t start out with this kind of faith and then turn into terrorists because they became more faithful.

He goes on to state that “The spirit of dominion, on the other hand, does not start with an awareness of God. It starts with a sense of injury and a desire to heal injury through revenge and domination.

So that gives him the reason to believe that “For the terrorist, a sense of humiliation is the primary reality. Terrorism emerges from a psychic state, not a spiritual one. This turns into a grievance, the belief that some external enemy is the cause of this injury, rather than some internal weakness.

Brooks then cited the forensic psychologist Reid Meloy who talks about “the moral outrage that comes from the belief that my victimization is connected to the larger victimization of my group.”

That leads Brooks to this – it’s only at this point in the pathway that religion enters the picture, or rather an absolutist, all-explaining political ideology that is the weed that grows up next to religion. Bin Ladinism explains all of history, and gives the injured a course of action that will make them feel grandiose and heroic. It is the human impulse for dominance and revenge that borrows righteous garb.

For the religious person it’s about God. For the terrorist, it’s about himself. When Omar Mateen was in the midst of his rampage, he was posting on Facebook and calling a TV station. His audience was us, not the Divine.

Omar Mateen wanted us to think he was martyring himself in the name of holiness. He was actually a sad loser obliterating himself for the sake of revenge.

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Like the German Pope - the guy before this Argentinian Pope - I try to marry reason with faith. Having done a course in the theory of knowledge and being a rationalist first all my life I question religion and Islam in particular a lot. You of all people should know from my behavior that calling me a religious person borders on the insane.

One's posture about correcting this particular branch of knowledge (and faith is a form of knowledge) does not a religious person make.

I am surprised that anyone could say that I have an a obsession about Islam. You see being nuts about Islam is better than being nuts about the PPP. You saw my recent posts about Islam from a rationalist point of view and having called you nuts over the PPP you got a Eureka moment and said I'll nail him for his obsession over Islam. Well, don't let me diminish your happiness - call be an obsessionist over Islam. At least my posts are not nuts over it, like you seem to disown reason when looking at the God-like PPP (aren't they Godless themselves, but deign divinity over simpletons like you?)

Kari
ksazma posted:

Wicked people shield their evil behind religion because religion is an easy way to trick the unsuspecting. 

I agree with you. But who are the wicked and who are the Saints? I would consider Chief as the wicked, but you may not agree with me. Please enlightened us.

FM

No one ascribe anything to religion but the people and their Imams themselves.  Everything done by ISIS and Al Qaeda is done in the name of religion.  This s how they justify killing of innocents and Children.  And the fuel for this terrorism comes out of Saudi, the leader of the Wahabis!

FM

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