Why the status quo will remain for the next 5 years

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Kari

The opposition parties in Guyana's Parliament will find it in their interest to not have a vote of no-confidence in the ruling party - the PPP/C -early or if at all until the next scheduled elections in 5 years.

The simple reason is that they know they will not have reached the point of gaining more votes that the PPP/C.

The AFC is still suspicious of the APNU and so too are a majority of Indians in Guyana, and thus would not want a situation where the APNU gains more votes than the PPP/C. So until the AFC can finally put to rest the PPP-PNC hegemony (let's call it for what it is), you will see the 2011 elections results as the new normal.

There will be a PPP/C President and a Parliament that's not a winner-take-all. Guyana wins.

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Former Member

The political playing field is some what level at this point in time....the ball is in Ramouthar's court and I don't think he should neglect this opportunity to put together an inclusive cabinet and go to work to build national unity and to move Guyana forward.....

It is critical he does this because the PPP does not have a majority in parliament.....

12/4/118:42 AM

Former Member

AFC has 4 renowned anti-PPP members in Parliament.

12/4/118:43 AM

NehruBig Mouth Member

I strongly believe President Ramoutar should consider proposals from the Opposition and work with those that are reasonable and has the same aim and objective of his Party. I understand that there will always be small differences but Piliticans should be able to compromise.

12/4/1110:06 AM

Former Member

Another reason why the status quo should hold is that running elections is expensive and time-consuming and brutal on the stamina. The Parties won't want to have this all over again so soon.

12/4/1110:10 AM

Former Member

quote:
Originally posted by TI:
AFC has 4 renowned anti-PPP members in Parliament.

so what your point.they might not like the ppp,but there are guyanese and guyana come first

12/4/1110:27 AM

KariSenior Member

Of course the PPP could remake itself and become unbeatable for generations to come. It has a world of opportunities to make Guyana a place to be - the oil finds, hydro-electricity, returning expats who can invest in technology, a higher institution center that's the envy of the Caribbean with collaboration from universities in North America and the UK. Energy and technology and the rest will follow- eco tourism, light manufacturing of high-valued stuff for the export market. The PPP can build institutions that will be the take-off point for all the above. Of course it can continue to plod along without a rudder and fill their own pockets. Point is, is that the world is in front of Guyana, because we have passed from the era of political arrogance.

12/4/1110:58 AM

Former Member

quote:
I strongly believe President Ramoutar should consider proposals from the Opposition and work with those that are reasonable and has the same aim and objective of his Party.

Why would they be in the opposition if they have the same aim and objective of the PPP?

12/4/1110:58 AM

Former Member

quote:
Originally posted by Kari:
The opposition parties in Guyana's Parliament will find it in their interest to not have a vote of no-confidence in the ruling party - the PPP/C -early or if at all until the next scheduled elections in 5 years.

The simple reason is that they know they will not have reached the point of gaining more votes that the PPP/C.

The AFC is still suspicious of the APNU and so too are a majority of Indians in Guyana, and thus would not want a situation where the APNU gains more votes than the PPP/C. So until the AFC can finally put to rest the PPP-PNC hegemony (let's call it for what it is), you will see the 2011 elections results as the new normal.

There will be a PPP/C President and a Parliament that's not a winner-take-all. Guyana wins.

The way you fram,ed your words reeks of partiality. The AFC ought to be afraid of the excesses of both since if either is allowed access to the uncontrollable autocratic powers of the state they will descend into the came path. It is not about good or bad but the inclination to lift up one's own.

The AFC should worry about consolidation its own vote count above 12 seats and not worry about either of the other parties. They have to accomplish their intent of decentralizing the government and creating direct constituencies through electoral and constitution reform.

12/4/1111:08 AM

Former Member

quote:
Originally posted by TI:
AFC has 4 renowned anti-PPP members in Parliament.

So what? Anti Corruption is anti PPP at this point.

12/4/1111:09 AM

Former Member

quote:
Originally posted by D2:
quote:
Originally posted by TI:
AFC has 4 renowned anti-PPP members in Parliament.
So what? Anti Corruption is anti PPP at this point.

TI, and who are the pro-PPPites?

12/4/1111:11 AM

Former Member

quote:
Originally posted by Churchill:
The political playing field is some what level at this point in time....the ball is in Ramouthar's court and I don't think he should neglect this opportunity to put together an inclusive cabinet and go to work to build national unity and to move Guyana forward.....

It is critical he does this because the PPP does not have a majority in parliament.....

The AFC should not take administrative roles in the government. Let the PPP award the PNC those positions so they can learn to work together. The AFC can best serve the nation as an outlier party.

12/4/1111:12 AM

Former Member

quote:
Originally posted by D2:
quote:
Originally posted by Churchill:
The political playing field is some what level at this point in time....the ball is in Ramouthar's court and I don't think he should neglect this opportunity to put together an inclusive cabinet and go to work to build national unity and to move Guyana forward.....

It is critical he does this because the PPP does not have a majority in parliament.....
The AFC should not take administrative roles in the government. Let the PPP award the PNC those positions so they can learn to work together. The AFC can best serve the nation as an outlier party.

Remember there are corrupt elements in both the PPP and PNC and perhaps the AFC's involvement in the govt administration in addition to parliment might be good for Guyana....

12/4/1111:17 AM

KariSenior Member

The PPP ought to make "It's the people, stupid" a rallying cry.....recalling Bill Clinton's "It's the economy, stupid".

Focus on the one asset that Guyana has not husbanded well or invested in - human capital. People make institutions; institutions provide the foundation of economic and social growth. People means members of the opposition political parties and their supporters; people mean businessmen; people means expatriates who can invest.

It's not about partisan focus D2. It's about the political reality facing Guyana today. It starts with politics.

12/4/1111:19 AM

Former Member

quote:
Originally posted by Churchill:
quote:
Originally posted by D2:
quote:
Originally posted by Churchill:
The political playing field is some what level at this point in time....the ball is in Ramouthar's court and I don't think he should neglect this opportunity to put together an inclusive cabinet and go to work to build national unity and to move Guyana forward.....

It is critical he does this because the PPP does not have a majority in parliament.....
The AFC should not take administrative roles in the government. Let the PPP award the PNC those positions so they can learn to work together. The AFC can best serve the nation as an outlier party.

Remember there are corrupt elements in both the PPP and PNC and perhaps the AFC's involvement in the govt administration in addition to parliment might be good for Guyana....

Once you are inside you are inside a culture and it is hard to be objective about what is wrong with it. They won the seats they have on the faith of their supporters that they can be the antidote to our corrupt race based politics. Lacking that efficacy they are relegated to slices of the same pie.

12/4/1111:19 AM

NehruBig Mouth Member

And that is a serious question, right???

quote:
Originally posted by raymond:
quote:
I strongly believe President Ramoutar should consider proposals from the Opposition and work with those that are reasonable and has the same aim and objective of his Party.

Why would they be in the opposition if they have the same aim and objective of the PPP?

12/4/118:10 PM

Former Member

quote:
Originally posted by Churchill:
quote:
Originally posted by D2:
quote:
Originally posted by Churchill:
The political playing field is some what level at this point in time....the ball is in Ramouthar's court and I don't think he should neglect this opportunity to put together an inclusive cabinet and go to work to build national unity and to move Guyana forward.....

It is critical he does this because the PPP does not have a majority in parliament.....
The AFC should not take administrative roles in the government. Let the PPP award the PNC those positions so they can learn to work together. The AFC can best serve the nation as an outlier party.

Remember there are corrupt elements in both the PPP and PNC and perhaps the AFC's involvement in the govt administration in addition to parliment might be good for Guyana....

I agree but, more like will and not might be. PPP and PNC have cooperated in many ways in the past so AFC has to be the folks with the whistles.

12/5/111:03 AM

Former Member

quote:
Originally posted by D2:
quote:
Originally posted by TI:
AFC has 4 renowned anti-PPP members in Parliament.
So what? Anti Corruption is anti PPP at this point.

Politics in Guyana is at a personal level.
Did you know that Cheddie was slapped once in Parliament?

12/5/119:23 AM

Former Member

quote:
Originally posted by Nehru:
I strongly believe President Ramoutar should consider proposals from the Opposition and work with those that are reasonable and has the same aim and objective of his Party. I understand that there will always be small differences but Piliticans should be able to compromise.

It's too early to think about the opposition and what they can do for us.

There is a matter of an opposition MP as Speaker of the house..

12/5/116:29 PM

Former Member

quote:
Originally posted by TI:
quote:
Originally posted by D2:
quote:
Originally posted by TI:
AFC has 4 renowned anti-PPP members in Parliament.
So what? Anti Corruption is anti PPP at this point.

Politics in Guyana is at a personal level.
Did you know that Cheddie was slapped once in Parliament?

Hopefully he hid behind a post and returned the favor with a good jumbie lash....of course that would be the logical extension if your example is to be taken to its fullest conclusion.

12/5/116:37 PM

Former Member

quote:
Originally posted by Kari:
The opposition parties in Guyana's Parliament will find it in their interest to not have a vote of no-confidence in the ruling party - the PPP/C -early or if at all until the next scheduled elections in 5 years.

.

You are right except that it might take three years.

The Indian vote is diminishing and the time when they alone will determine Guyana's politics is fast coming to an end. If that didnt already happen.

It turns out that APNU getting out black and mixed votes might have played a bigger role than AFC taking away PPP votes in regions 5 and 6.

The day might be when there are two almost equal groups. The ultimate winner will be the party which is able to successfully convince Guyanese that it is truly inclusive.

12/5/117:00 PM

Former Member

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Churchill:
the ball is in Ramouthar's court and I don't think he should neglect this opportunity to put together an inclusive cabinet [QUOTE]

Well he hasnt selecetd any one new, which means that inclusiveness isnt on his agenda. Wooing back lost votes to the AFC will be his priority.

The AFC by 2016 will have to have built up its own base whose loyalty will be to them thinking that they represent a paradigm shift in politics in Guyana.

As of now its role ha sbeen that of the default p[arty, taking awy votes from one of the two main parties, when their support base is disatisfied with its leadership.

12/5/117:03 PM

Former Member

quote:
Originally posted by Alexander:
Another reason why the status quo should hold is that running elections is expensive and time-consuming and brutal on the stamina. The Parties won't want to have this all over again so soon.

TRue. They need a breather, especially the opposition parties who lack access to taxpayers' funds.

12/5/117:04 PM

Former Member

quote:
Originally posted by D2:
The AFC should worry about consolidation its own vote count above 12 seats and not worry about either of the other parties..

This is my point and they can only do this if they pull votes from all regions. Maybe a focus on the youth vote where support for the traditional parties is less hardened.

12/5/117:06 PM

Former Member

quote:
Originally posted by Kari:
It's not about partisan focus D2. It's about the political reality facing Guyana today. It starts with politics.

kari its clear the PPP isnt doing as you wish. Hoa can it be when they have picked the same dirty vessels they ahd last time. Just moved them around to give an impression of a New Day. They certainly havent reached out to those who arent actively in politics. What does Juan Edghill bring to the table?

12/5/117:08 PM

Former Member

The PNC already wants GECOM to resign. Once this happens then all hell would btreak loose.

12/6/118:34 AM

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