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Ok folks,

Granger is meeting with GECOM and PPP commissioners as we speak after Jagdeo pressured Granger for an election date in keeping with the constitution as a result of the NCV.

Unnamed Internal sources allegedly indicate that talks have stalled and they are still trying to reach an agreement.

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Do you think that we will get an election date in the next few days ?

Will Patterson declare that elections cannot be held as required by the constitutional deadline ?

PNC commissioners are stalling by stating that elections can only be done after a House to House registration.

What do you say ?

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yuji22 posted:

Ok folks,

Granger is meeting with GECOM and PPP commissioners as we speak after Jagdeo pressured Granger for an election date in keeping with the constitution as a result of the NCV.

Unnamed Internal sources allegedly indicate that talks have stalled and they are still trying to reach an agreement.

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Do you think that we will get an election date in the next few days ?

Will Patterson declare that elections cannot be held as required by the constitutional deadline ?

PNC commissioners are stalling by stating that elections can only be done after a House to House registration.

What do you say ?

Elections in July

V

 Basil Williams asked Granger to sign a extension of stay by 6 months  to the Haitians . This is the reason to stall the election and have them vote. 

They went in the Amerindian Village and distribute ID cards to 14 years old. 

This government is on a mission to rigged the election.

Govt grants extended length of stay for Haitians

â€Ķwill be competing with Guyanese for already limited jobs – trade unionist
Despite having thousands of Haitians enter Guyana unaccounted for last year, the coalition Government has sought to extend the time that Haitians spend in Guyana to six months.

The letter extending the stay of Haitians in Guyana

This was detailed in a letter dated January 31, 2019, addressed to Foreign Affairs Minister Carl Greenidge and copied to Minister of State, Joseph Harmon; Citizenship Minister Winston Felix and Public Security Minister Khemraj Ramjattan.
The correspondence sent by the President’s Senior Confidential Secretary was titled “Immigration Order 2019”. It noted that under the Immigration Act, Chapter 14:02, amendments were made to “allow Haitian nationals to be entitled to an automatic stay of six months”.
The amendment was made by Legal Affairs Minister Basil Williams.
This change in the immigration policy comes on the heels of the unaccountability of over 3000 Haitians in Guyana.
Already a number for persons are complaining about Haitians being employed at hospitals and in other sectors but being unable to speak proper English. This comes at a time when thousands of Guyanese have lost their jobs and are seeking employment but to no avail.
Speaking with Guyana Times on Wednesday, a trade unionist questioned the decision by the Government to grant the extension.
“What will they be doing in Guyana? How will they maintain themselves for six months? They obviously have to work and this means that they will be competing with Guyanese for already limited jobs,” the trade unionist added.
Haitian migration has long been a troublesome issue.
Meanwhile, at a meeting of the Parliamentary Committee on Foreign Affairs back in June 2018, the alarming statistics revealed that thousands of Haitians and Cubans are not only overstaying their time in Guyana but could not be accounted for.
On May 23, 2018, Minister Felix wrote the Clerk of the National Assembly and provided statistics of the eight main groups of foreign nationals, including Haitians, with the largest arrival and departure figures for the past five years.
The figures showed that Cubans accounted for the largest influx of foreign nationals, followed by Haitians and then Venezuelans after which were Brazilians, Indians, Bangladeshis, Dominicans [from The Dominican Republic] and Chinese.
It was noted that as of April 30, 2018, a total of 1238 Haitians arrived in Guyana, but only 85 left the country. In 2017, 3515 Haitian nationals entered Guyana and 291 left, while the year before out of 722 Haitians who came here, only 451 were on record as leaving. There were 770 Haitian nationals who arrived in 2015, 227 in 2014 and 188 in 2013, but only 136, 113 and 99 left the country respectively.
Chairman of the Parliamentary Committee, Opposition Chief Chip Gail Teixeira had pointed out that despite Haitians as well as Cubans – 22,520 of whom arrived but only 16,350 departed – speaking a foreign language, they seem to have gotten “lost”.
“Both groups are distinctive in terms of language and yet they seem to be lost away,” Teixeira stated.
However, the Citizenship Minister had suggested that the thousands of unaccounted-for foreign nationals must have left the country through `backtrack’. Felix had also accused Teixeira of “crying wolf in a crowded cinema” when it comes to the large numbers of Cubans, Haitians and others overstaying their time here and the risk of human trafficking.
In the meantime, the Opposition’s People’s Progressive Party (PPP) had claimed that the coalition Government is granting thousands of Haitians and Cubans citizenship, so they get voting rights for the impending General and Regional Elections. But Government had rejected this.

FM
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Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

The Lapdog Naga is the only Indo in the pic.

At least he is the only youth in the discussion.  And No women in observance of International Women’s Day.

Defeat of the PPP at the polls in 2015 did not bother me as much as the direction this government is taking Guyana.  I see the face of Burnham again.  Government is muzzling the press, suppressing businesses, and taking away the independence of Gecom to rig elections.  We don't want to go down that road again

Billy Ram Balgobin

GECOM needs to settle differences over “bloated” voters’ list before elections date is called- Granger

 

PPP-affiliated elections commissioners Bibi Shadick and Sase Gunraj, In the background are the pro-coalition elections commissioners Desmond Trotman, Charles Corbin and Vincent Alexander.

President David Granger on Friday said the existing voters’ list is “bloated” and now that the Guyana Elections Commission (GECOM) failed to provide him sufficient information so that he could call an election date and he asked that body to return to the ‘drawing board” to settle their differences.

“We don’t want any citizen to feel disenfranchised and it is evident from evidence provided at the meeting this morning that the list is bloated given the size of our population and much attention is focused on sanitising that list,” the President said after a more than two-hour meeting with the seven-member bipartisan elections commission.

Of a population of 746,955 persons, eligible voters number more than 633,150 and that figure could increase by another 7,000 odd persons who would be 18 years old at the time of the next continuous registration process.

Also accompany the commissioners were Chief Elections Officer, Keith Lowenfield and Deputy Chief Elections Officer, Roxanne Myers.

Noting that the talks, which he described as a “useful engagement”,  focused heavily on the voters’ list, the President said he he did get the required information to allow him to name an election  date. “We did not get the kind of guidance that we need to enable me, as President, to make a proclamation to actually announce a date but we have kept the door open and we have asked the Guyana Elections Commission to go back to the drawing board to examine how quickly and how easily they could arrive at a consensual position, merge the various approaches, ensure the preparations for elections which have already started continue and that we could have an agreement as early as possible,” he said.

Pro-coalition elections commissioners Desmond Trotman, Charles Corbin and Vincent Alexander.

The elections commission is split over government and its pro-coalition commissioners’ stance that there must be house-to-house registration before the next general elections to remove the names of deceased persons and emigrants to minimise the possibility of electoral fraud. However, the opposition People’s Progressive Party (PPP) and its allied elections commissioners had first demanded that elections should have been held by March 21, 2019 following the passage of the no-confidence motion on December, 21, 2018.

Opposition Leader Bharrat Jagdeo has vowed that he would not lend hos PPP’s 32 votes in the National Assembly for a two-thirds majority to extend the life of the government unless elections are held by April 30, 2019 with the existing voters’ list.

The President said the differences among the commissioners were not irreconcilable and urged that they make a fresh search for agreement between the competing opinions on the commission. “The unfortunate thing is that we don’t have a date and I’m confident that if the Guyana Elections Commission resolves or reconciles the different points of view which exist in the Commission now, the Guyanese people could look forward to having elections at the earliest date possible,” he said.

GECOM’s Chief Elections Officer has estimated that elections can be held 148 days after claims and objections, while house-to-house registration can take as much as six to nine months.

Granger reiterated that neither he nor anyone would “overrule” the “independent” elections commission. “Once the commission says it’s ready, I will announce a date and I hope that that date is early as possible so the question of the ball being in the President’s court is not a credible position to take. I have to be advised by the Commission,” he said.

Except for the Commission Chairman, most of the other commissioners have been politicians over the decades and are still closely aligned to their political parties.

Down to a GECOM vote

Minister of State, Joseph Harmon signaled that the President’s proclamation of an election date would eventually come down to vote among the seven elections commissioners. GECOM Chairman, James Patterson could cast his vote to break a tie between the two opposing groups of three commissioners each.

“At the end of that, we have to act on a decision of GECOM. Sometimes, these decisions are unanimous, sometimes they are a majority decision but the fact of the matter is that we must have a decision,” Harmon said.

Pro-coalition elections commissioner, Vincent Alexander, reiterating that credible elections are hinged on house-to-house registration, hoped that GECOM’s technical personnel would accept his proposal to contract that exercise to be completed by November, 2019. Like Harmon, he says the final decision on a date now rests with the commission.

“The decision has to be made at the level of the commission. If it requires a vote, so be it,” Alexander said. GECOM’s next statutory meeting will be held on Tuesday, March 12, 2019.

He said some of the e-day preparations would have to be done simultaneously providing there is cash. Officials estimate that GECOM needs at least GYD$2.9 billion to hold general elections, an amount that the Finance Ministry says will have to be approved by the National Assembly.

For PPP-aligned elections commissioner, Bibi Shadick she said if the pro-coalition commissioner gets its way to hold house-to-house registration, general elections would be held by February, 2020. “I don’t see that as the shortest possible time,” she said.

Shadick and colleague commissioner, Sase Gunraj told reporters that Friday’s meeting was virtually useless and almost similar to the outcome of GECOM’s meetings. “This felt, today, as we were at another GECOM meeting because the inability of GECOM and the abject failure of us, as a commission, to arrive at credible decisions, proper decisions that will determine how the future of this country progresses; our failure, therefore, continued,” he added.

Gunraj contended that timelines for either claims and objections or house-to-house registration are “padded”. “They have a lot of fat in it that needs to be cut out,” he said.

Friday’s meeting were held two days after talks between President Granger and  Opposition Leader Jagdeo collapsed after the Guyanese leader refused to name a date.

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Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

How do we know the list is bloated?  Did an independent body reviewed the list?

The next move by the PNC is to pad the voters list so that they can rig. Guyana is definitely a shyte hole country under PNC.

7,000 Haitians will be added to the list.

Dem Haitians are the new PNC slow fiah sponsored crew. Guyanese who have a chance to leave for better shores should depart PNC shyte hole Guyana.

FM
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The GECOM numbers released to Granger show Guyana's population at 746,955 and eligible voters on the current list as 633,150. This means that 85% of the population is on the voters list. Put another way, close to 15% of the population is below 18 years of age. To me, that's a very small percentage of youths in the population. This begs the questions: Are less babies being born during the last 18 years? Why? Households financial squeeze? Lower sperm count? Higher emigration rate of children? Things don't add up. Where is Labba? Perhaps he can help.

FM
Gilbakka posted:

The GECOM numbers released to Granger show Guyana's population at 746,955 and eligible voters on the current list as 633,150. This means that 85% of the population is on the voters list. Put another way, close to 15% of the population is below 18 years of age. To me, that's a very small percentage of youths in the population. This begs the questions: Are less babies being born during the last 18 years? Why? Households financial squeeze? Lower sperm count? Higher emigration rate of children? Things don't add up. Where is Labba? Perhaps he can help.

Meh nah think dem have any aktomoms in Guyana bai. Peopkle mah mekkin nuf piknee anymo.

FM

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