Churchill was a grunt in the PPP trenches for decades. I believe mits was a foot soldier as well.

Jagdeo may be your hero no doubt  but a gravitation kindred is normal. He is however a crook and introduced the worse of human ignominies into our political culture, 

 Just as I indicated, both the above gentlemen are the lowest common denominators of human existence. Both no longer live in Guyana and ran away when the going got tough, so I don't see how you can give them any credence. One possibly joined the PPP to get his grimy hands on little boys to satiate his pedophile desires. The other was looking for a political position beyond his mental capabilities. 

Jagdeo represented the end of Indians cowering from the big bad Black man.  Phantomizing was born, the PNC shyte their shorts in fear and the rest is history.

The chief pedophile surfaces to defend his honor, but no little boys here today. ahahaha

 Just as I indicated, both the above gentlemen are the lowest common denominators of human existence. Both no longer live in Guyana and ran away when the going got tough, so I don't see how you can give them any credence. One possibly joined the PPP to get his grimy hands on little boys to satiate his pedophile desires. The other was looking for a political position beyond his mental capabilities. 

Jagdeo represented the end of Indians cowering from the big bad Black man.  Phantomizing was born, the PNC shyte their shorts in fear and the rest is history.

 Just as I indicated, both the above gentlemen are the lowest common denominators of human existence. Both no longer live in Guyana and ran away when the going got tough, so I don't see how you can give them any credence. One possibly joined the PPP to get his grimy hands on little boys to satiate his pedophile desires. The other was looking for a political position beyond his mental capabilities. 

Jagdeo represented the end of Indians cowering from the big bad Black man.  Phantomizing was born, the PNC shyte their shorts in fear and the rest is history.

 What makes them the lowest denominator? Is a bending of the kn ees in complete unquestioning submissions to the neo lennist in the PPP central committee a precondition to be meaningful in life? Does a road runner gets to call another road runner inferior on account he or she is a road runner? Get real sir.

I see you are still have aims of gaining political coin by appealing to the most obnoxious and obscene in the pantheon of evils; pedophilia. That you so casually misuse the term speaks to you the man. You gain no currency but earns handily our disgust and revulsion  as an amoral creature of the worse sort.

You magnify that contempt by appealing to the base natures of a racist in this elevation of the perverse crook Jagdeo to sainthood  with you as a supplicant.

Perhaps you are in agreement with their philosophy and see pedophilia as an benign act to be overlooked.  That is your choice but just be aware that the rest of the world disagrees with you. I have no political aspiration like Mitjuanita or the other old pedo.  I merely observe an give my unbiased view of the landscape. 

Any Guyanese will tell you that the day the PPP grew balls was the day that phantomizing commenced. You may see it as evil, but it is written that the meek shall inherit and the Indians are meek. 

you is a ass you is the meek indian do not speak for all the indians maybe nehru and skelton i think there are also meek

I don't know all the details, but it's rather contemptuous that one nation can demand to do a project in another country without the approval of the host Govt.  I remember Gadaffi's aid to Nation of Islam for fighting inner-city poverty being blocked by the USG.

If this is truly what the US Govt is doing, then how different are they from a colonial power?

Many of these dummies commenting on this thread don't understand what the program is all about. Indeed it is US interference in local politics. They are basically providing aid to opposition groups to even the playing field. 

I don't know all the details, but it's rather contemptuous that one nation can demand to do a project in another country without the approval of the host Govt.  I remember Gadaffi's aid to Nation of Islam for fighting inner-city poverty being blocked by the USG.

If this is truly what the US Govt is doing, then how different are they from a colonial power?

Any Guyanese will tell you that the day the PPP grew balls was the day that phantomizing commenced. You may see it as evil, but it is written that the meek shall inherit and the Indians are meek. 

Perhaps you are in agreement with their philosophy and see pedophilia as an benign act to be overlooked.  That is your choice but just be aware that the rest of the world disagrees with you. I have no political aspiration like Mitjuanita or the other old pedo.  I merely observe an give my unbiased view of the landscape. 

Any Guyanese will tell you that the day the PPP grew balls was the day that phantomizing commenced. You may see it as evil, but it is written that the meek shall inherit and the Indians are meek. 

Poor dumb druggie.  If the US was concerned about China they would be "interfering" in every single Caribbean country.  China has huge involvement in Jamaica and yet I don't hear Portia Simpson wailing that the USA is destabilizing Jamaica.

If this project was offered to her I am sure that she would accept in gratitude knowing that it will be ALL parties, not just the opposition, who will benefit.

But Guyana is an elected dictatorship and this screaming about a package to improve the function of parliament exposes this fact.  Even though the PPP< in addition to APNU and the AFC will benefit.

And what is wrong with evening the playing field.  Its supposed to be that way in any functioning democracy.

Baseman, what was in the container from Ed Ahmad that was delivered tax free to State House?

Don't know if you know this but the PPP is not the nation.  If the parliamentary majority say something then it does represent the nation a sit will speak on behalf of the voters who they represent.

You and the PPP need to understand this.

Why don't you tell us on what evidence you base this concoction you insist is a philosophy?  The world does not invent "philosophies" out of thin air as you do. You are  a truly a nasty fellow to do that.

If you admit the PPP are murderers where is no courage in that. There is only cowardice since they used a drug baron to murder their opponents. I do not know what is meek about murder.

Listen banna, I hear you however, nations operate under international law and norms and the GoG (whether you like it or not) is the legitimate authority in Guyana and the representative of the nation.  The GoG has the legal authority to decide many thing as long as they do not violate Guyana's constitution or international law.  Any nation willing impose it's will on another could be construed as an act of war in the crudest and most extreme sense.

Now, that being said, I have dug a bit more into the specific issue at hand and have softened my stance vis-a-vis the USA.  The project (as I understand) is the Democracy Project.  It was the USA under Bill Clinton with the Carter Center which brought democracy to Guyana.  Evil despotism was relegated to the graveyard.  We all could agree that Guyana is not a perfect democracy, actually a very flawed democracy.  The USA wants to see improvement and wants to have an impact.  This project is part of the formula.

The GoG should be open to this and work with the USA to ensure an unbiased approach.

The same evidence that you and the pedophile gang have on me to justify their daily taunts.  Two can play the same game. I finally found a solution to counter their taunts and they send you to negotiate when they can't handle the heat. 

I don't speak for or represent the PPP. What I know is that phantomizing, whether a govt program or not, has been effective. The proof of this is clearly demonstrated by the discomfort displayed by you and caribj, supporters of the mo fiah slow fiah and killing and murdering of innocent Guyanese.

contradictory nonsense . . .

the term of art is "shyte slinging" in service to an evil, primitive, minority tiefman cabal

what's your excuse again baseman?

True, remember how your elders in the PNC abused, plundered and quasi-enslaved the majority in Guyana for decades and exercised "legitimate" power free of external intervention?

banna, when yuh slinging yuh nonsense, go for the jugular and doan construct rhetorical (escape) back doors with coward mealy mouthings like "quasi" . . . arite?

embrace yuh inner ignar fully  . . . like ah man, not antiman

But, it's the truth and you know it...arite.

Baseman, Dat ASS KISSING IDIOT would not know the TRUTH if it hits him on his big head!!!

Baseman, Dat ASS KISSING IDIOT would not know the TRUTH if it hits him on his big head!!!

Poor dumb caribj, read and weep:

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The tiny island nation of Dominica has received a grammar school, a renovated hospital and a sports stadium, also courtesy of the Chinese. Antigua and Barbuda got a power plant and a cricket stadium, and a new school is on its way. The prime minister of Trinidad and Tobago can thank Chinese contractors for the craftsmanship in her official residence.

China’s economic might has rolled up to America’s doorstep in the Caribbean, with a flurry of loans from state banks, investments by companies and outright gifts from the government in the form of new stadiums, roads, official buildings, ports and resorts in a region where the United States has long been a prime benefactor.

The Chinese have flexed their economic prowess in nearly every corner of the world. But planting a flag so close to the United States has generated intense vetting — and some raised eyebrows — among diplomats, economists and investors.

“When you’ve got a new player in the hemisphere all of a sudden, it’s obviously something talked about at the highest level of governments,” said Kevin P. Gallagher, a Boston University professor who is an author of a recent report on Chinese financing, “The New Banks in Town.”

Most analysts do not see a security threat, noting that the Chinese are not building bases or forging any military ties that could invoke fears of another Cuban missile crisis. But they do see an emerging superpower securing economic inroads and political support from a bloc of developing countries with anemic budgets that once counted almost exclusively on the United States, Canada and Europe.

China announced late last year that it would lend $6.3 billion to Caribbean governments, adding considerably to the hundreds of millions of dollars in loans, grants and other forms of economic assistance it has already channeled there in the past decade.

Unlike in Africa, South America and other parts of the world where China’s forays are largely driven by a search for commodities, its presence in the Caribbean derives mainly from long-term economic ventures, like tourism and loans, and potential new allies that are inexpensive to win over, analysts say.

American diplomatic cables released through WikiLeaks and published in the British newspaper The Guardian quoted diplomats as being increasingly worried about the Chinese presence here “less than 190 miles from the United States” and speculating on its purpose. One theory, according to a 2003 cable, suggested that China was lining up allies as “a strategic move” for the eventual end of the Castro era in Cuba, with which it has strong relations.

But the public line today is to be untroubled.

“I am not particularly worried, but it is something the U.S. should continue to monitor,” said Dennis C. Shea, the chairman of the U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission, a bipartisan Congressional panel. But, he added, “With China you have to be wary of possible policy goals behind the effort.”

This archipelago, less than a one-hour flight from Florida, has gotten particular attention from the Chinese. Aside from the new stadium, with its “China Aid” plaque affixed prominently at the entrance, Chinese workers here in the Bahamas are busy helping build the $3.5 billion Baha Mar, one of the region’s largest megaresorts.

Beyond that, a Chinese state bank agreed in recent weeks to put up $41 million for a new port and bridge, and a new, large Chinese Embassy is being built downtown.

The new stadium here, Bahamian officials said, was in part a reward for breaking ties with Taiwan in 1997 and establishing and keeping relations with China.

It is one of several sporting arenas that China has sprinkled in Caribbean and Central American nations as gratitude for their recognition of “one China” — in other words, for their refusal to recognize Taiwan, which Chinese officials consider part of their country.

“They offered a substantial gift and we opted for a national stadium,” said Charles Maynard, the Bahamian sports minister, adding that his government could never have afforded to build it on its own.

In this enduring tug of war with Taiwan, others have switched, too, with a little financial encouragement. Grenada ended relations with Taiwan in 2004, and it is now in talks with China about getting a new national track and field stadium. The parting has not been entirely amicable; Taiwan and Grenada are now locked in a financial dispute over loans that Grenada received to finance the construction of its airport.

Determined not to be sidelined, Taiwan is seeking to solidify its existing relationships with countries like Belize, St. Kitts and Nevis, and St. Lucia — which in 2007 broke relations with China in favor of Taiwan — with a bevy of projects, many of them agricultural, including an agreement signed with Belize in recent weeks to develop the fish farming industry there.

Still, Taiwanese diplomats in the region conceded that they could never keep up with China’s largess but continued to make strategic investments in the Caribbean.

There are some commodities in the region that China wants. In August, a Chinese company, Complant, bought the last three government sugar estates in Jamaica and leased cane fields, for a total investment of $166 million. Last year, Jamaica for the first time shipped its famed Blue Mountain Coffee to China.

The Jamaican government has also received several hundred million dollars in loans from China, including $400 million announced in 2010 over five years to rebuild roads and other infrastructure.

“In order to be prosperous you need to build roads first,” said Adam Wu, an executive with China Business Network, a consulting group for Chinese businesses that has been making the case for China in several Caribbean countries.

Several analysts in the Caribbean say they believe that China eventually will emerge as a political force in the region, with so many countries indebted to it, at a time when the United States is perceived as preoccupied with the Middle East and paying little attention to the region.

“They are buying loyalty and taking up the vacuum left by the United States, Canada and other countries, particularly in infrastructure improvements,” said Sir Ronald Sanders, a former diplomat from Antigua and Barbuda.

“If China continues to invest the way it is doing in the Caribbean, the U.S. is almost making itself irrelevant to the region,” he added. “You don’t leave your flank exposed.”

In some places, Chinese contractors or workers have stayed on, beginning to build communities and businesses. So many have opened in Roseau, Dominica, that local merchants have complained about being squeezed out.

Trinidad and Tobago has had waves of Chinese immigration over the past century, but locals are now seeing more Chinese restaurants and shops, as well as other signs of a new immigrant generation.

“I am second-generation Trinidadian-Chinese, and like most of us of this era, we have integrated very well in society, having friends, girlfriends, spouses and kids with people of other ethnicities,” said Robert Johnson-Attin, 36, a mechanical engineer now with his own successful business. “It’ll only be a matter of time before it happens with the Chinese coming in now.”

Here in the Bahamas, Tan Jian, the economic counselor at the Chinese Embassy, said he that believed “it’s only the start” of the Chinese presence across the Caribbean, casting it as one developing country using its growing economic power to help other developing ones.

The Bahamian government, he said, “cannot afford to build huge projects by itself.”

While the Chinese built the stadium, the Bahamas is responsible for utility hookups and the roads and landscaping outside it.

The $35 million gift “is costing us $50 million,” said Mr. Maynard, the sports minister. “But at the end of the day it will pay for itself” by putting the Bahamas in position to host major sporting events and reap the tourism revenue that comes with that.

For Baha Mar, the Chinese Export-Import Bank is financing $2.6 billion, nearly three-quarters of the cost, and China’s state construction company is a partner.

The Bahamas agreed to allow up to 8,000 foreign workers, most of them Chinese, to work on the project in stages, but it also required employment for 4,000 Bahamians, dampening concerns that Chinese workers were taking jobs. American companies will also take part in building and running it.

Mr. Jian played down any economic competition with the United States, whose tourists, he asserted, stood to benefit from China’s presence in the Caribbean. The Chinese workers here live in barracks behind the project fences, largely shielded from public view.

“We hardly know they are here,” said James Duffy, watching a track practice next to the stadium one recent afternoon, adding with a chuckle: “Except for the big things they build.”

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Karla Zabludovsky contributed reporting from Mexico City, Camilo Thame from Kingston, Jamaica, and Prior Beharry from Port of Spain, Trinidad and Tobago .

Now, that being said, I have dug a bit more into the specific issue at hand and have softened my stance vis-a-vis the USA.  The project (as I understand) is the Democracy Project.  It was the USA under Bill Clinton with the Carter Center which brought democracy to Guyana.  Evil despotism was relegated to the graveyard.  We all could agree that Guyana is not a perfect democracy, actually a very flawed democracy.  The USA wants to see improvement and wants to have an impact.  This project is part of the formula.

The GoG should be open to this and work with the USA to ensure an unbiased approach.

You are so dumb and foolish that you don't know that you just made my point.  The Chinese are every where in the Caribbean, some places even more than they are in Guyana.

And yet only Guyana is weeping about US interference in their sovereignty.    How come nobody else is?  Maybe the govt in those islands have more respect for the opposition and so their parliaments function better.  Maybe govts in those countries aren't as paranoid as the PPP so offers to help their parliaments function aren't met by a childis tantrum as Luncheon seems incessantly prone to make.

Indeed most Caribbean govts are welcoming the Chinese to send notice that the USA must stop ignoring its backyard while it acts as Israel's servant in the Middle East.

Luncheon is always screaming that the PPP has a mandate.  Well it doesn't because 51% of those who voted do not want the PPP there.

So is this how it works? Burnham was a tyrant so Roger Luncheons thinks that he (acting on behalf of Jagdeo) ought to be one too?  And when people act to prevent this he resorts to behaving like two year old?

All those Caribbean nations are being punished by the US for accepting Chinese aid. Whether it by by deporting criminals back to the Islands or implementing the US aid programs to support the opposition. You just are not aware of it.  

It is a fact that the US is interfering in the sovereignty of the nation by implementing a program in the country against the wishes of the govt.  Do you thing Guyana could implement such a program in the US in such high handed manner?  

They have been deporting illegals for over 20 years so what are you incoherently babbling.  You are like a moron who escaped from a mental institution with all your deranged grunts simply to attract attention.

If it was the PNC who refused the grant you would have been screaming about how racist they are and how they just want carte blanche to harass Indians.

All you want is a government who will play black criminals to protect rich Indian criminals.  They could start killing little kids and you would find some justification for it.

Nonsense, deportation from the US have increased to 400,000 per year under Obama.  With the focus to deport those who are a danger to the country, convicted criminals, suspected terrorists and gang members.  

The PPP did not refuse any grants, it was not consulted and that is the issue. An issue of disrespect and ignoring sovereignty. It was the same scenario with the British when they tried to be high handed holding their "grant money" as a tease.

I am for the elimination of all criminals, not just Blacks. You on the other hand are all for destabilization of the nation at the hands of afc/pnc sponsored bandits. 

Nonsense, deportation from the US have increased to 400,000 per year under Obama.  .