Burnham give and give plenty, plenty land to Afro Guyanese to farm and what happened. Most of them had the laid back attitude to farming and  when they gained title sold it to the Indo. So David Hinds should shut his crap.

David Hinds has written something very thoughtful here that we ignore at our own peril when contemplating how Bharat Jagdeo got us to where we are today, and how we mitigate the lawful unlawfulness he, anil and the other smirkers have sown in the country

The reality of what Hinds wrote is self evident. It also reduces to nonsense the idea of Indians being uber knowledgeable about running cakeshops.  The fact is most indians live poor and marginalized lives as the majority of citizens because all the cakeshops end up in the hands of a few by decree of the corruptocrats in office

randolph posted:

 Burnham give and give plenty, plenty land to Afro Guyanese to farm and what happened. Most of them had the laid back attitude to farming and  when they gained title sold it to the Indo. So David Hinds should shut his crap.

 

What do you guys get when such nonsense are being peddled,can you name the Afro Guyanese who benefited and what area the land was gived away,a few co-op was established during his tenure,by the way co-op land cannot be sold.

Reading this article clearly shows me why we East Indians should strive to have our own independent country.

Prashad posted:

Reading this article clearly shows me why we East Indians should strive to have our own independent country.

Prash..which section should be carved out for this new country.

Ancestral lands. What is he talking about. This chap should stop writing crap. Those villages bought by emancipated slaves are still under Afro control. In the colony every other piece of land was crown land, including all of what Amerindians lived on. That is the way it was under European laws. Hinds should revisit Pope Alexander decree. Not unless he thinks Africans had rites more than the Vatican. The Planters did not even own the lands back then either, they never bought it. And when sugar combined, Bookers was on crown lands. Suh, the lands Jagdeo transferred was Crown Lands, not Afro Ancestral lands. He was wrong to give it away for next to nothing.

As for the Indoes, those ppl never covet   They worked for whatever they ate. Whether they planted or bought it. Hatefulness never going to get twisted minds any benefits. Those who were well off never bother to look into the pots of poor Indian people. Poor Indian ppl know how to survive to this day. 

seignet posted:

Ancestral lands. What is he talking about. This chap should stop writing crap. Those villages bought by emancipated slaves are still under Afro control. In the colony every other piece of land was crown land, including all of what Amerindians lived on. That is the way it was under European laws. Hinds should revisit Pope Alexander decree. Not unless he thinks Africans had rites more than the Vatican. The Planters did not even own the lands back then either, they never bought it. And when sugar combined, Bookers was on crown lands. Suh, the lands Jagdeo transferred was Crown Lands, not Afro Ancestral lands. He was wrong to give it away for next to nothing.

As for the Indoes, those ppl never covet   They worked for whatever they ate. Whether they planted or bought it. Hatefulness never going to get twisted minds any benefits. Those who were well off never bother to look into the pots of poor Indian people. Poor Indian ppl know how to survive to this day. 

banna u lost in your own ignar bigot reverie

Hinds NEVER said that Jagdeo transferred "Afro Ancestral Lands" . . . that's all in your diseased head, ok?

Vish M posted:

With regards to the land issued to the co-op, as per public discussion yesterday with Rohee and Ramsammy, the following was disclosed.

 

Prime Land was given to the many Afro Guyanese controlled coops - Burnham era politics.

The coops were not planters and hence leased the land to farmers, most if not all Indo Guyanese. The Coops add  no value except to collect rent.

The PPP via Ramsammy, revisited this deal and started to lease land that the Coop could not plant, again, mostly Indo Guyanese farmers. After decades of tilling the land the APNU/AFC is now reclaiming the land from these farmers and re-issing to the mnay defunct coops.

 

This was stated publicly at the Narissa Palace event yesterday

 

vish, what are you talking about? . . . this has NOTHING to do with the claims of David Hinds' letter

you, like seignet are engaging in smoke and diversion . . . exactly what Dr Hinds pointed to in his piece

further, the co-op case before the courts of late that anil was crowing about involved Afro farmers not Indos

Vish M posted:

With regards to the land issued to the co-op, as per public discussion yesterday with Rohee and Ramsammy, the following was disclosed.

 

Prime Land was given to the many Afro Guyanese controlled coops - Burnham era politics.

The coops were not planters and hence leased the land to farmers, most if not all Indo Guyanese. The Coops add  no value except to collect rent.

The PPP via Ramsammy, revisited this deal and started to lease land that the Coop could not plant, again, mostly Indo Guyanese farmers. After decades of tilling the land the APNU/AFC is now reclaiming the land from these farmers and re-issing to the mnay defunct coops.

 

This was stated publicly at the Narissa Palace event yesterday

 

 

 

 

 

Django posted:

randolph posted:

 Burnham give and give plenty, plenty land to Afro Guyanese to farm and what happened. Most of them had the laid back attitude to farming and  when they gained title sold it to the Indo. So David Hinds should shut his crap.

 

What do you guys get when such nonsense are being peddled,can you name the Afro Guyanese who benefited and what area the land was gived away,a few co-op was established during his tenure,by the way co-op land cannot be sold.

 

Vish

Ramsammy and Rohee came to tell the Indians in New York lands was taken away from Indians,it appears they are lying.

Take a peek here,

https://guyana.crowdstack.io/topic/mm...field-no-40-villages

MMA leases cancelled at Seafield, No.40 villages.

Django posted:

randolph posted:

 Burnham give and give plenty, plenty land to Afro Guyanese to farm and what happened. Most of them had the laid back attitude to farming and  when they gained title sold it to the Indo. So David Hinds should shut his crap.

 

What do you guys get when such nonsense are being peddled,can you name the Afro Guyanese who benefited and what area the land was gived away,a few co-op was established during his tenure,by the way co-op land cannot be sold.

On the East Bank, lots of land was given to PNC Afros and also some Indians to be fair. Most Afros eventually "rented" their lands to Indians and after the mandatory holding period, sold!

The "predicament" of Blacks in Guyana has nothing to do with the PPP, PNC or Indians in general. This current regime will come and go and nothing will have changed!

In another 20/30 years a new generation of "Caribjs" will be cussing Granger for not "preparing" Blacks for the return of "Indian"/[PPP] rule!  And a new generation of "Indians"will be cussing out the PPP for the Black plight!!

The more things change, the more they remain the same!!

randolph posted:

 Burnham give and give plenty, plenty land to Afro Guyanese to farm and what happened. Most of them had the laid back attitude to farming and  when they gained title sold it to the Indo. So David Hinds should shut his crap.

 

I don't know if what you wrote there is true, nor have I ever met anyone who has ever made that claim.

What I do know is that many East Indian families, including mine, were directly or indirectly forced to flee their land. That land was then occupied by PNC supporters of both African And East Indian origin. It was not limited to just black people. We did manage to recover some of the land in the nineties.

baseman posted:

On the East Bank, lots of land was given to PNC Afros and also some Indians to be fair. Most Afros eventually "rented" their lands to Indians and after the mandatory holding period, sold!

The "predicament" of Blacks in Guyana has nothing to do with the PPP, PNC or Indians in general. This current regime will come and go and nothing will have changed!

In another 20/30 years a new generation of "Caribjs" will be cussing Granger for not "preparing" Blacks for the return of "Indian"/[PPP] rule!  And a new generation of "Indians"will be cussing out the PPP for the Black plight!!

The more things change, the more they remain the same!!

instead of another of your diversionary 'nancy stories, why don't u be less an antiman and address the racist lies told by Rohee and Leslie Ramsammy at Naressa Palace as pointed out by Django

out of the question probably because the low breed in u badly needs this kind of nourishment to elevate your sense of self now that rat ain't 'powerful' presidente no more and the vicarious thrill is limited to watching him dominate kwamee

Prashad posted:

Reading this article clearly shows me why we East Indians should strive to have our own independent country.

According to Jagdeo......The recent Local Govt Elections have turned 3 towns into full Jihaji Jagabat  Control.

Corriverton, Rosehall and Ana Regina are now under PPP control.

Let us see how the Jihaji Jagabats will help the East Indians.

Let us see how the Jihaji Drug Lords will help the East Indians.

Let us see how the Black House of Israel Thugs will help the East Indians.

Let us see how the Expert Ballot Box Riggers will help the East Indians.

Let us see how the Jihaji Jagabats will take "De Jagdeo US$200 Skeldon Factory" and make it profitable and help the East Indians.

Let us see how "Dem Jagabat Top Public Sector Experts" will help the East Indians.

redux posted:

baseman posted:

On the East Bank, lots of land was given to PNC Afros and also some Indians to be fair. Most Afros eventually "rented" their lands to Indians and after the mandatory holding period, sold!

The "predicament" of Blacks in Guyana has nothing to do with the PPP, PNC or Indians in general. This current regime will come and go and nothing will have changed!

In another 20/30 years a new generation of "Caribjs" will be cussing Granger for not "preparing" Blacks for the return of "Indian"/[PPP] rule!  And a new generation of "Indians"will be cussing out the PPP for the Black plight!!

The more things change, the more they remain the same!!

instead of another of your diversionary 'nancy stories, why don't u be less an antiman and address the racist lies told by Rohee and Leslie Ramsammy at Naressa Palace as pointed out by Django

out of the question probably because the low breed in u badly needs this kind of nourishment to elevate your sense of self now that rat ain't 'powerful' presidente no more and the vicarious thrill is limited to watching him dominate kwamee

Wait ...... Anil and Baseboy are family.... and yuh saying Basebhai is a Chat-3.

The real problem is the belief that the East Indian is an inferior subhuman . So this belief that the East Indian is a subhuman racially inferior thief will be handed down from generation to generation. This belief had its origins the British colonial period. It is similar to the sterotype of jews. It will end in a genocidal massacre of our people. That is why it is of utmost importance that we East Indians seek our own independent country.

You are a nutcase banna. All that nonsense is in your head.

Prashad posted:

Reading this article clearly shows me why we East Indians should strive to have our own independent country.

To seek secession one would have to develop a narrative about patrimony based on primordialism or something such. None such exist for the indian who were contract workers and were conned by the Brits to forgo their return passage and remain. In a sense they were abandoned or bribed by compensation of lands to remain by the British and had to make do.

Secondly, Africans cleared the land and prepared it for agriculture and were everywhere some 200 years before indians. They have claims as anyone to be in any location in the modern state.

Thirdly, Amerindians have natural patrimony and are designated a protected group and that right is enshrined in annex c of the pre independence agreement. It decrees they are entitled to their ancestral lands and this includes areas in all three counties.

Since Guyanese are geographically intermingled there is hardly any rationale for the creation of ethnic nations. Such claims fails on any existing strategy used for people to create independence struggles. There is only one remaining option...war. But here again Indians will lose as would any group if they similarly decide they want independence from the state.

Prashad posted:

The real problem is the belief that the East Indian is an inferior subhuman . So this belief that the East Indian is a subhuman racially inferior thief will be handed down from generation to generation. This belief had its origins the British colonial period. It is similar to the sterotype of jews. It will end in a genocidal massacre of our people. That is why it is of utmost importance that we East Indians seek our own independent country.

You are projecting your own inadequacies on the situation. I doubt any Indian feel sub human in Guyana. They have abandoned caste a long time ago.

You are also making a baseless claim because while Christian colonizers did consider the Indian culture inferior ( and stupidly so) that did not impact the indian. They emerge in the current era where they actually are proud of the culture they constituted here. And one may even add their success as a group has made them the main carrier of the meme of racism.

baseman posted:

Stormborn posted:

Prashad posted:

The real problem is the belief that the East Indian is an inferior subhuman . So this belief that the East Indian is a subhuman racially inferior thief will be handed down from generation to generation. This belief had its origins the British colonial period. It is similar to the sterotype of jews. It will end in a genocidal massacre of our people. That is why it is of utmost importance that we East Indians seek our own independent country.

You are projecting your own inadequacies on the situation. I doubt any Indian feel sub human in Guyana. They have abandoned caste a long time ago.

You are also making a baseless claim because while Christian colonizers did consider the Indian culture inferior ( and stupidly so) that did not impact the indian. They emerge in the current era where they actually are proud of the culture they constituted here. And one may even add their success as a group has made them the main carrier of the meme of racism.

True, we do feel and act superior, remember!!

"You are also making a baseless claim" hehehe

cain posted:

You are a nutcase banna. All that nonsense is in your head.

cain posted:

You are a nutcase banna. All that nonsense is in your head.

Would those children who were murdered while they slept think I am a nutcase. Would that paralyzed East Indian man who was burned to death think I am a nutcase. Would those sugerworkers whose headless bodies were found in Buxton backlands think I am a nutcase. I think not.

baseman posted:

Stormborn posted:

Prashad posted:

The real problem is the belief that the East Indian is an inferior subhuman . So this belief that the East Indian is a subhuman racially inferior thief will be handed down from generation to generation. This belief had its origins the British colonial period. It is similar to the sterotype of jews. It will end in a genocidal massacre of our people. That is why it is of utmost importance that we East Indians seek our own independent country.

You are projecting your own inadequacies on the situation. I doubt any Indian feel sub human in Guyana. They have abandoned caste a long time ago.

You are also making a baseless claim because while Christian colonizers did consider the Indian culture inferior ( and stupidly so) that did not impact the indian. They emerge in the current era where they actually are proud of the culture they constituted here. And one may even add their success as a group has made them the main carrier of the meme of racism.

True, we do feel and act superior, remember!!

How can I not know the obvious?

Prashad posted:

cain posted:

You are a nutcase banna. All that nonsense is in your head.

cain posted:

You are a nutcase banna. All that nonsense is in your head.

Would those children who were murdered while they slept think I am a nutcase. Would that paralyzed East Indian man who was burned to death think I am a nutcase. Would those sugerworkers whose headless bodies were found in Buxton backlands think I am a nutcase. I think not.

 

 

Were you ever concerned that much about the murders during PPP's reign, how about Sawh's murder, you ever concerned about that?

No country in the world other than those backward countries would ever drop the murder of a Minister never to be heard of again.