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September 10,2017 Source

The government is silently leaning the economy towards Burnham’s socialist control system, to cooperativism and poverty, where the sugar workers suffer and the private sector has no influence. The past government’s policies favoured drug lords, the criminally inclined and business crooks. While these two parties are in existence racism will never die in Guyana and the problems outlined above, and more, will never be resolved. Guyanese have a decision to make, or not to make and to live with the consequences. That decision is whether or not to support a political party for the next elections to be soon announced by Mr Craig Sylvester, whose views, as set out in a letter in yesterday’s KN, are summarized above.

The dominant narratives in and about Guyana are conditioned by slavery, indentureship and their consequences. One major consequence is the existence of two ethnic blocs which have been socialized differently and separately. Guyana consists largely of two different societies, in watchful competition, but largely at peace, existing under the same national roof.

The manner in which these ethnic blocs represent what they perceive their interests to be has evolved over the years, but with a central theme revolving around the idea of agreed united political action. During the 1950s, two major industrial events, namely the Teare strike of transport workers and the Enmore strike of sugar workers pushed the restive middle class into a national alliance under the PPP. The underlying idea was that cooperation to achieve independence and socialism will benefit all who were represented under the big tent of the PPP. That idea of a single big, political tent did not last and it should be no surprise that it did not.

Political parties represent interests, initially as Marx identified, class interests. The rise in consciousness of ethnic groups have resulted in political parties as ethnic instruments. No political party in Guyana will admit this. One reason is that they also receive substantial support from other groups for varying reasons, although more than ninety per cent of the major ethnic groups support their favoured party. For the foreseeable future, therefore, there will be two major political parties in Guyana, largely representing the two major ethnic groups. These parties might not necessarily be the PPP and the PNC but we should be thankful that it is these two parties and not other, more extreme, fascistic parties. We have had a difficult and unfortunate history, but it could have been worse.

In earlier decades, it was frowned upon – infra dig ‒ for ethnic groups to represent that they had separate interests that were independent of the national interest. This has changed for many reasons, both external and internal, as the decades went by. It is now argued that ethnic interests are part of or in the national interest. The reasons are important but an analysis is beyond the scope of this article. What is important to acknowledge is that independent organizing and articulation of such interests are being accommodated, resentfully or grudgingly sometimes, but accepted.

While the ideal of political unity under one party did not survive, the idea of united political action survived the rise of ethnicity. This is one of Guyana’s enduring political narratives. The split in the PPP occurred in 1955. By the early 1960s there was serious talk and negotiation for a coalition government to ease the political tension at that time. In the mid-1970s, the PPP proposed a coalition arrangement under the national patriotic front government. In the 1990s the PPP adopted the principle of ‘winner does not take all.’ In 2002 the PNC accepted ‘shared governance’ in principle. In 2015 the APNU+AFC coalition accepted constitutional reform which will see: 1. separate elections for president; 2. the vice-president being the person who receives the second highest votes in the presidential elections; 3. all political parties gaining more than 15 per cent of the vote being part of the government. The coalition promised to start the process of constitutional reform within one month of its election to office.

The bleakness of Mr Sylvester’s prognosis is shared by many. But his solution, another political party, will not solve the problem. Third parties or movements worldwide have a short life unless they represent a stable and permanent minority interest. They have not survived in Guyana and appeals to racial unity will continue to fall on deaf ears. Africans and Indians want to support the parties which they perceive are representing them.

We need to accept the existence of the PPP and PNC and work to being united politically by way of constitutional reform which both political parties and the diplomatic community in Guyana support. This will not solve all problems but it is the basic pre-requisite for the reduction of discrimination, corruption and the other ills mentioned by Mr Sylvester. With the developing oil economy and vastly more resources available, these problems will intensify and multiply unless there is a political solution in Guyana. Corruption did not emerge with the PPP. One reason that caused its expansion was the expansion of public spending from $3 billion a year prior to 1992 to $20 billion plus thereafter. With the oil resources, which will multiply public spending several times over, and one political group in control, imagine what will happen!

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Guyanese have to find alternatives to both PPP and APNU+AFC.

September 10,2017 Source

Dear Editor,
A number of people make it their duty to poke me to write a letter when they haven’t seen my name in the Letters columns for a while. This one I think is timely. If there is anything that Guyanese have learnt over our brief post-independence period, it is that economic policies very often have a prolonged impact, and policy reversals can be extremely painful and socially destructive. Equally important also is that these economic policies are framed by our politicians, or more directly, our political parties. By now, there are probably a few of us who can claim that they don’t understand what is going on and what is at stake with respect to the policies of our major political parties.
To sum these up, the PPP’s policies benefit drug lords, the criminally inclined in the justice system and the police force, and Guyana’s business crooks who get in bed with the PPP to siphon off our tax dollars through corrupt activities. Public servants are dragged through the existence of their daily lives, and workers in the private sector fair just a little better in the absence of proper regulation and oversight of their welfare.
Every year also the PPP sings a big song of promise of job creation and economic prosperity while the national budget is put on an explosive trajectory to finance ever increasing corrupt projects. The Coalition for its part has dug in its heels and is silently leaning the economy on the path Burnham’s socialist control system, to poverty, where the private sector can only bleat and cooperativism becomes a meaningful alternative.
It is content to play politics with Guyana’s sugar workers and suffer their children for the sake of political spite. What is almost an iron-clad guarantee is that political racism will never die in Guyana with these two major political parties in charge. The Coalition’s ministers and senior officials seem content to live and serve on their inflated salaries while the man in the street struggles to eke out an existence while trying to stay off of crime.
I have written a book now available through my Facebook account and CreateSpace.com which places Guyana’s economic and political problems in context. One of its major points is that we cannot escape the responsibility for our future. We have to create political alternatives to our major political parties, or saddle ourselves with their incompetence.
We have been conditioned into believing that it is impossible to form another functional political party capable of manning our government. This is a lie that I think even many of our intellectuals have come to accept, but which we as a nation have to reject. Accepting this lie is equivalent to consigning ourselves to slavery for the masses, because this is what the offerings of the PPP and Coalition boil down to.
We have come to a point in this five-year term where we act and give ourselves a shot at our future, or throw back and live at the mercies of the policies of the PPP, Coalition and the potential for rigged elections. We have a responsibility. We have a choice. We have a decision to make. And we will have to live with our decision, or indecision, whichever the case may be.
I have moved to public television via Channel 6 to propose this to the nation, and I now lay this out to the nation. I already have the name of a political party which I intend to bring on stream to contest the 2020 elections. I have an economic policy framework which will virtually guarantee our success at the polls. What is needed now is political support as well as individuals strong enough to consider themselves for posts of ministers within the new government. Please note that ministerial selections will not be made until the time for the presentation of our list of candidates to GECOM has arrived. We have a lot of work to do. Our future is in our hands. It is ours to decide what to do with it.

Craig Sylvester

Django
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Political racism will never die in Guyana. A third force may hold the balance of power but can be disastrous to progress. The Ministers will continue to enjoy there inflated salaries while the masses struggle to make ends meet without turning to crime.

Mitwah
ba$eman posted:
Django posted:

September 10,2017 Source

The government is silently leaning the economy towards Burnham’s socialist control system, to cooperativism and poverty, where the sugar workers suffer and the private sector has no influence. The past government’s policies favoured drug lords, the criminally inclined and business crooks.!

Sorry, isn't he a multi-generation member of the ruling party in the last Govt?  If they were that bad, then why not join the defectors?  From this piece, is he saying the PPP was more criminal-oriented, while the PNC was just lost in bad policy?

So how can anyone support this "voice of wisdom" and be die-hard supporter of BJ and the current PPP line leadership!  The two are diametrically opposites and just cannot co-exist!  One is the host and one is the cancer!  Which is it?

Base,

Ralph,was quoting from the letter by Craig Sylvester.

Letter posted above.

Django
Mitwah posted:

Political racism will never die in Guyana. A third force may hold the balance of power but can be disastrous to progress. The Ministers will continue to enjoy there inflated salaries while the masses struggle to make ends meet without turning to crime.

That will not happen in the near term.  What Guyana needs is reform which allows coalition after elections.  PPP and PNC will be the backbone but cannot rule without bringing in smaller parties.  Smaller parties must be allowed to leave [with some time requirements] the Govt and force a new alliance or election.  The courts must take ownership of this process!

Could you imagine what it would have been if the AFC could walk and the PNC collapse?  Guyana would be very different!

FM
Mitwah posted:

Political racism will never die in Guyana. A third force may hold the balance of power but can be disastrous to progress. The Ministers will continue to enjoy there inflated salaries while the masses struggle to make ends meet without turning to crime.

Corruption did not emerge with the PPP. One reason that caused its expansion was the expansion of public spending from $3 billion a year prior to 1992 to $20 billion plus thereafter.


 

Increasing budget to fatten themselves and friends,while the people getting the crumbs.

Third force can hold the balance of power between the PPP and PNC,constitutional changes needed in the Electoral System,the list system have to go to allow post Elections Alliances.

That should be the push,seems like everyone is mum towards this change.

Django
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Django posted:
ba$eman posted:
Django posted:

September 10,2017 Source

The government is silently leaning the economy towards Burnham’s socialist control system, to cooperativism and poverty, where the sugar workers suffer and the private sector has no influence. The past government’s policies favoured drug lords, the criminally inclined and business crooks.!

Sorry, isn't he a multi-generation member of the ruling party in the last Govt?  If they were that bad, then why not join the defectors?  From this piece, is he saying the PPP was more criminal-oriented, while the PNC was just lost in bad policy?

So how can anyone support this "voice of wisdom" and be die-hard supporter of BJ and the current PPP line leadership!  The two are diametrically opposites and just cannot co-exist!  One is the host and one is the cancer!  Which is it?

Base,

Ralph,was quoting from the letter by Craig Sylvester.

Letter posted above.

Sorry, my misunderstanding!  But he did lambaste BJ and the PPP just prior to the election!

FM
ba$eman posted:
Django posted:
ba$eman posted:
Django posted:

September 10,2017 Source

The government is silently leaning the economy towards Burnham’s socialist control system, to cooperativism and poverty, where the sugar workers suffer and the private sector has no influence. The past government’s policies favoured drug lords, the criminally inclined and business crooks.!

Sorry, isn't he a multi-generation member of the ruling party in the last Govt?  If they were that bad, then why not join the defectors?  From this piece, is he saying the PPP was more criminal-oriented, while the PNC was just lost in bad policy?

So how can anyone support this "voice of wisdom" and be die-hard supporter of BJ and the current PPP line leadership!  The two are diametrically opposites and just cannot co-exist!  One is the host and one is the cancer!  Which is it?

Base,

Ralph,was quoting from the letter by Craig Sylvester.

Letter posted above.

Sorry, my misunderstanding!  But he did lambaste BJ and the PPP just prior to the election!

Well you know the reason for the lambaste.

Django
Django posted:
Mitwah posted:

Political racism will never die in Guyana. A third force may hold the balance of power but can be disastrous to progress. The Ministers will continue to enjoy there inflated salaries while the masses struggle to make ends meet without turning to crime.

Corruption did not emerge with the PPP. One reason that caused its expansion was the expansion of public spending from $3 billion a year prior to 1992 to $20 billion plus thereafter.


 

Increasing budget to fatten themselves and friends,while the people getting the crumbs.

Third force can hold the balance of power between the PPP and PNC,constitutional changes needed in the Electoral System,the list system have to go to allow post Elections Alliances.

That should be the push,seems like everyone is mum towards this change.

I am not a fan of the list system. I would like to see that we move back to constituents and the people given the power too recall; coalition to be formed after the results of elections. Local elections should not be along party lines.

Mitwah

The solution is exactly as Base pointed out. Constitutional reform to allow for coalitions to be formed after elections and MP's allowing to cross the floor.

This will strengthen the democracy and prevent single party domination.

Come 2020, PPP will win a majority and PNC supporters will be complaining. Race relations is a major roadblock and the PPP and PNC are equally responsible for stroking the race issue especially during elections.

The AFC and their broken promises killed any possibility of a third party for the next ten years. No third party of political significance will emerge as a result of Guyanese losing faith. Moses and Ramjattan abandoned the people who laid the foundation for a possible third party by towing the PNC line.

Very sad situation for the future of Guyana.

 

FM
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Quoting Ralph:

"The bleakness of Mr Sylvester’s prognosis is shared by many. But his solution, another political party, will not solve the problem. Third parties or movements worldwide have a short life unless they represent a stable and permanent minority interest. They have not survived in Guyana and appeals to racial unity will continue to fall on deaf ears. Africans and Indians want to support the parties which they perceive are representing them.

We need to accept the existence of the PPP and PNC and work to being united politically by way of constitutional reform which both political parties and the diplomatic community in Guyana support. This will not solve all problems but it is the basic pre-requisite for the reduction of discrimination, corruption and the other ills mentioned by Mr Sylvester."

FM

The way to solve this issue is to embrace inclusiveness. When last did you hear a political leader speak about this with conviction.  What we hear is politicians paying lip service to this idea while pandering to their support base. You have BJ and his cohorts including his clan on GNI touting PPP as a "collie" party. On the other hand Granger looks to blacks as his support base and blacks do not support the PPP.  As they view the PPP as anti black.  So each party panders to its own base without embracing the other in a meaningful way that demonstrates real committment to idea of inclusiveness to ensure a level playing field for all. 

FM
FC posted:

The way to solve this issue is to embrace inclusiveness. When last did you hear a political leader speak about this with conviction.  What we hear is politicians paying lip service to this idea while pandering to their support base. You have BJ and his cohorts including his clan on GNI touting PPP as a "collie" party. On the other hand Granger looks to blacks as his support base and blacks do not support the PPP.  As they view the PPP as anti black.  So each party panders to its own base without embracing the other in a meaningful way that demonstrates real committment to idea of inclusiveness to ensure a level playing field for all. 

It ain't going to happen, rules and process drives behavior, not the other way.  Make the rules and the process that forces behavior!  We cannot count on Mandela showing up in Guyana anytime soon!

FM
FC posted:

The way to solve this issue is to embrace inclusiveness. When last did you hear a political leader speak about this with conviction.  What we hear is politicians paying lip service to this idea while pandering to their support base. You have BJ and his cohorts including his clan on GNI touting PPP as a "collie" party. On the other hand Granger looks to blacks as his support base and blacks do not support the PPP.  As they view the PPP as anti black.  So each party panders to its own base without embracing the other in a meaningful way that demonstrates real committment to idea of inclusiveness to ensure a level playing field for all. 

With that said,

can National Front Government be the solution,taking in to consideration the two parties will never go away.

Django
Django posted:
FC posted:

The way to solve this issue is to embrace inclusiveness. When last did you hear a political leader speak about this with conviction.  What we hear is politicians paying lip service to this idea while pandering to their support base. You have BJ and his cohorts including his clan on GNI touting PPP as a "collie" party. On the other hand Granger looks to blacks as his support base and blacks do not support the PPP.  As they view the PPP as anti black.  So each party panders to its own base without embracing the other in a meaningful way that demonstrates real committment to idea of inclusiveness to ensure a level playing field for all. 

With that said,

can National Front Government be the solution,taking in to consideration the two parties will never go away.

National Front = One-Party State!

FM
ba$eman posted:
Django posted:
FC posted:

The way to solve this issue is to embrace inclusiveness. When last did you hear a political leader speak about this with conviction.  What we hear is politicians paying lip service to this idea while pandering to their support base. You have BJ and his cohorts including his clan on GNI touting PPP as a "collie" party. On the other hand Granger looks to blacks as his support base and blacks do not support the PPP.  As they view the PPP as anti black.  So each party panders to its own base without embracing the other in a meaningful way that demonstrates real committment to idea of inclusiveness to ensure a level playing field for all. 

With that said,

can National Front Government be the solution,taking in to consideration the two parties will never go away.

National Front = One-Party State!

Just wanna hear some thoughts,

I have my reservations about that idea.

Django

A national front government is like a one party socialist state. Yuji is 1000 percent against this idea and hates socialism. (My brother Gil is still promoting a failed socialist state system).

Let us not bury our heads in the sand, race based voting system also exists in the USA with most minorities voting for the Democrats and some of them only broke ranks after the last election.

Both parties need leaders who are outsiders and who will break the traditional party ideology. They must be transformational and carry no race baggage.

FM
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Django, you are quick to highlight the ills of the PPP. I do not see you highlighting the ills of the PNC...kick down door, empty treasury, blatant racism, nepotism, criminals being treated as freedom fighters.....

Like this: leaning the economy towards Burnham’s socialist control system, to cooperativism and poverty, where the sugar workers suffer and the private sector has no influence.

 

FM
skeldon_man posted:

Django, you are quick to highlight the ills of the PPP. I do not see you highlighting the ills of the PNC...kick down door, empty treasury, blatant racism, nepotism, criminals being treated as freedom fighters.....

Like this: leaning the economy towards Burnham’s socialist control system, to cooperativism and poverty, where the sugar workers suffer and the private sector has no influence.

 

Guyana is a screwed up country seems like no politicians in the homeland have any ideas,they trying all sorts of things to manage a nation of 3/4 million people.

Most are thieves who bank and invest the stolen money in first world countries.

By the way the "New PPP" isn't the best thing since slice bread.

Django

As long as members of the old guard are involved in any party, no good is to come to the country. The AFC attracted rejects from pnc and ppp and as it turns out these rejects brought the same corrupt behavior from their respective party to the AFC.  In addition, as long as the people of Guyana accept corruption and law enforcement is controlled by the ruling party, then any political party will invariably be inept and corrupt.  The best solution is what baseman proposed, constitutional reform rather than depending on party to police themselves. 

FM
yuji22 posted:

The solution is exactly as Base pointed out. Constitutional reform to allow for coalitions to be formed after elections and MP's allowing to cross the floor.

This will strengthen the democracy and prevent single party domination.

Come 2020, PPP will win a majority and PNC supporters will be complaining. Race relations is a major roadblock and the PPP and PNC are equally responsible for stroking the race issue especially during elections.

The AFC and their broken promises killed any possibility of a third party for the next ten years. No third party of political significance will emerge as a result of Guyanese losing faith. Moses and Ramjattan abandoned the people who laid the foundation for a possible third party by towing the PNC line.

Very sad situation for the future of Guyana.

 

Keeping your hopes high .... eh bhai,

no problem,at the least you have to console yourself,who willn't like the party they support to win.

Django
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Django posted:

can National Front Government be the solution,taking in to consideration the two parties will never go away.

There is currently a national front government in Guyana.

APNU + AFC with APNU equal to PNCR plus about four smaller parties.

FM
Drugb posted:

As long as members of the old guard are involved in any party, no good is to come to the country. The AFC attracted rejects from pnc and ppp and as it turns out these rejects brought the same corrupt behavior from their respective party to the AFC.  In addition, as long as the people of Guyana accept corruption and law enforcement is controlled by the ruling party, then any political party will invariably be inept and corrupt.  The best solution is what baseman proposed, constitutional reform rather than depending on party to police themselves. 

I agree Constitutional Reform is the way to go. Right now the President is above the law. That should be changed. If there is a third force, I hope it comprises youths and not those with baggages from the PPP or PNC.

Mitwah
Drugb posted:

The best solution is what baseman proposed, constitutional reform rather than depending on party to police themselves. 

Constitutional reform is indeed one of the solutions.

It also requires the firm abolition of all current and past politicians from ever participating in the political process.

FM

Constitutional reform is necessary for political change for the good of Guyana. 

I clearly remember Moses and Ramjattan shouting about these reforms during political campaigns and in parliament.

Like all lying and crooked politicians, now that they are in office, constitutional reform has taken a back seat.

The AFC has no idea of the amount of power it has to shake up the current administration, they were supposed to use that as a catalyst for change. Instead, they chose to tow the PNC line. Granger seems quite content with the Burnham's constitution and so did the PPP.

Quoting DG:

"It also requires the firm abolition of all current and past politicians from ever participating in the political process."

FM
Demerara_Guy posted:
Drugb posted:

The best solution is what baseman proposed, constitutional reform rather than depending on party to police themselves. 

Constitutional reform is indeed one of the solutions.

It also requires the firm abolition of all current and past politicians from ever participating in the political process.

No, let's start one step.  People gi alyuh one centimeter, alyuh want the whole kilometer!

If the system is self regulating, who cares about who wants to stay.  The system will fragment and become multi-polar.  Large parties will ensure leadership who can coalesce with smaller parties.  This becomes self-fulfilling

FM
ba$eman posted:
Demerara_Guy posted:
Drugb posted:

The best solution is what baseman proposed, constitutional reform rather than depending on party to police themselves. 

Constitutional reform is indeed one of the solutions.

It also requires the firm abolition of all current and past politicians from ever participating in the political process.

No, let's start one step.  People gi alyuh one centimeter, alyuh want the whole kilometer!

If the system is self regulating, who cares about who wants to stay.  The system will fragment and become multi-polar.  Large parties will ensure leadership who can coalesce with smaller parties.  This becomes self-fulfilling

If this can be that, these may be those, those specific ones can be others and them do not exist, then it would be a wonderful world.

The joys of contemplating on the ifs.

FM
Demerara_Guy posted:
ba$eman posted:
Demerara_Guy posted:
Drugb posted:

The best solution is what baseman proposed, constitutional reform rather than depending on party to police themselves. 

Constitutional reform is indeed one of the solutions.

It also requires the firm abolition of all current and past politicians from ever participating in the political process.

No, let's start one step.  People gi alyuh one centimeter, alyuh want the whole kilometer!

If the system is self regulating, who cares about who wants to stay.  The system will fragment and become multi-polar.  Large parties will ensure leadership who can coalesce with smaller parties.  This becomes self-fulfilling

If this can be that, these may be those, those specific ones can be others and them do not exist, then it would be a wonderful world.

The joys of contemplating on the ifs.

D_G, you lacking comprehension!  "If" D_G improves comprehension, he could become somewhat additive to this forum!  Now, that's a BIG "IF"!!

The sentence thereafter tells of the "If" to realized!  It was just a prelude to what is the "to be"!  So the word "if" was only rhetorical in this context!

FM

We boy Prashad gonna go loco when he hears my thoughts.

Iman having some thoughts of goin back an start a putagee party. Unlike Prashad's plan on finding a separate piece ah land, Iman stayin right deh and anyone can join regardless of their ethnicity/religion as long as they got the gonads or patax to place the word "putagee" in front of whatever race they might be eg: Putagee Indo Guyanese. Oh yeh one mo thing, they must believe in making 'erb legal.

Oohhh siggy would luv dis so much he'll tear his hair out unless he gone bald aready.

cain
Django posted:
 

With that said,

can National Front Government be the solution,taking in to consideration the two parties will never go away.

No this merely Guyanese seeking to avoid the hard work of developing systems of governance.  Its been established that both the PPP and the PNC are parties of incompetence, corruption and racism.  So how does binding them together make them change? 

 

Its a known fact that characters within each collaborate with characters of the other party and will quickly sell out their base if it suits their interests.

FM

The two large parties in Guyana will always dominate.  Third parties will not survive, they will only serve to be used by the PNC.  People will continue to do what they have always done when the going gets tough.  They will migrate.  Those is the diaspora who think they know everything will not survive in Guyana or many of them would have long returned because it's so much easier to bang out lies and misinformation from miles away.

Bibi Haniffa

FACT: Since the 1960s over 90 percent of the electorate voted for PNC and PPP combined. 

FACT: PNC and PPP are basically race-based parties.

So for over 55 years, despite emigration or the outflow of people who voted race, fresher batches of voters overwhelmingly vote race like those before them.

Coming to brass tacks, over 90 per cent of the electorate are happy and contented to vote race. This mindset is deeply rooted.

Will constitutional reform change the template or pattern? Gilbakka does not think so. You cannot legislate change of people's deeply rooted political behaviour patterns from the top.

Third parties always bring some excitement to the process but such excitement fizzles out sooner or later. Who is still excited with the AFC today?

To sum up, the future is bleak. Guyanese are saddled with the PNC and PPP for decades more.

 

FM
caribny posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:

it's so much easier to bang out lies and misinformation from miles away.

Yes.  You do this daily as instructed by Jagdeo, your employer.

Why did you delete the rest of the statement I made?  My employer will be mad at you!!

Bibi Haniffa
Bibi Haniffa posted:

And they are the original people of the land so they have the most credibility to the name Guyanese.

Suh now is who come first and born in Guyana are Guyanese,so that make Afro second,where does Indos stand in the que ??..oh...i got.. it some are ashamed to be called Guyanese, you does spout stupidness.

Django
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Django posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:

And they are the original people of the land so they have the most credibility to the name Guyanese.

Suh now is who come first and born in Guyana are Guyanese,so that make Afro second,where does Indos stand in the que ??..oh...i got.. it some are ashamed to be called Guyanese, you does spout stupidness.

That is not what I said.

Bibi Haniffa
Bibi Haniffa posted:
Django posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:

And they are the original people of the land so they have the most credibility to the name Guyanese.

Suh now is who come first and born in Guyana are Guyanese,so that make Afro second,where does Indos stand in the que ??..oh...i got.. it some are ashamed to be called Guyanese, you does spout stupidness.

That is not what I said.

Re-read your statement.

Django
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