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Opposition-elected House Speaker advantageous; AFC insists on sharing of Assembly positions
Written by Denis Chabrol and Kwesi Isles
Monday, 12 December 2011 11:39 DEMERARA WAVES


As discussions continue among the parliamentary parties on who should become the next Speaker of the National Assembly, Chairman of the Alliance For Change (AFC), Khemraj Ramjattan believes that position should go the opposition and in particular his party.

He explained that it is important that an opposition parliamentarian becomes the Speaker because in real politics, the opposition would be in a better position.

“The real politik is often in favour of those who would have elected him. His discretion can be more in our favour and that is why you would want it that way,” Ramjattan told Demerara Waves Online News ( www.demwaves.com ) . He expects that a Speaker from the opposition would favourably consider requests for adjournments of the House to discuss matters that the opposition may deem urgent matters.

Other advantages, he lists, include the fixing of the parliamentary agenda, opening up Wednesdays for the presentation of opposition bills and other papers and playing a major role in the running of the sectoral and other parliamentary committees.

The AFC Chairman insists that A Partnership for National Unity (APNU) should support his party getting the Speaker in the spirit of magnanimity and sharing in just the same way that the opposition coalition had expected the Peoples Progressive Party Civic (PPPC) to share its cabinet positions in a government of national unity.

Noting that APNU would get Opposition Leader, Deputy Speaker and Chief Whip, Ramjattan said there was no justifiable reason why the AFC’s Raphael Trotman or Moses Nagamootoo would not be supported for the position of Speaker.

“They (APNU) should be magnanimous with a party (AFC) and recognize its effort in breaking the stranglehold of the PPP in Berbice and creating a minority government,” said Ramjattan.

“They ought to be sharing with the AFC that very important portfolio to show that there is isn’t a monopoly because a party has the majority of seats,” he added.

Ramjattan said his party would not settle for the position of Deputy Speaker and he warned that if it comes down to voting along party lines, the PPPC could again clinch the Speaker with its single majority of 32 votes.

APNU is floating Attorney-at-Law, Debra Backer as its candidate while the PPPC appears set to support the re-election of Senior Counsel, Ralph Ramkarran.

Speaking to Demerara Waves Online News (www.demwaves.com), Trotman stated that by right the opposition should be doing the appointing since the PPP/C had done so when it controlled the House.

“For the first time in the history of Guyana we have an opposition-controlled parliament, therefore it stands to reason that the opposition should have the Speaker’s chair. Same way as when the government had the majority they chose the Speaker, so the same way the majority should choose the Speaker now,” Trotman stated.

APNU captured 26 seats in the just concluded elections while the AFC managed seven and the PPP/C 32, giving the opposition a one-seat majority in the 65-seat House, enough of an advantage to thwart government efforts or force consensus on legislation.

Should the Speaker come from among the elected parliamentarians the individual will still retain the right to vote in the House.

“Ordinarily the Speaker is not called on to vote, if my memory serves me correctly I’ve never seen Ralph Ramkarran vote, but because we have such a tenuous situation with a one-seat majority every vote will count,” Trotman said.

In an interview with demwaves.com on the importance of the Speaker political commentator and university lecturer Freddie Kissoon noted that the parliament is perhaps the supreme power in a country outside of the Constitution and it is this organ that the Speaker controls.

“The Speaker is the regulator of parliament, he determines which bill comes before parliament, he determines how often the parliament is called into session; when parliament meets on the 28th (December) the Speaker can determine the priority of the business.

So if the House is the supreme institution of the land he is the chairman of that institution,” Kissoon said.

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The APNU has waited too long and worked too hard not to have its candidate selected. It's just that way! The AFC will get some spots but this one belongs to the APNU.

Anyone with common sense would expect that result. There's nothing wrong with Ramjattan pushing for an AFC member to get the speaker position, but that slot belongs to the APNU .... hands down.
FM
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Originally posted by Nuff:
The APNU has waited too long and worked too hard not to have its candidate selected. It's just that way! The AFC will get some spots but this one belongs to the APNU.

Anyone with common sense would expect that result. There's nothing wrong with Ramjattan pushing for an AFC member to get the speaker position, but that slot belongs to the APNU .... hands down.


The real victors of the past election is the AFC-it was the peoples voice that gave them the 7 seats. They have or had no ordained subjects as the PPP and the PNC.

If we are to strive forward and lay in the dust the history of the last 61 years then every APNU elected member must refuse the position and let Raphael Trotman assume the chair. The man has no baggage, hate or scores to settle.
S
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Originally posted by Nuff:
The APNU has waited too long and worked too hard not to have its candidate selected. It's just that way! The AFC will get some spots but this one belongs to the APNU.

Anyone with common sense would expect that result. There's nothing wrong with Ramjattan pushing for an AFC member to get the speaker position, but that slot belongs to the APNU .... hands down.

You you have the article in the constitution which dictates that?
FM
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Originally posted by Nuff:
The APNU has waited too long and worked too hard not to have its candidate selected. It's just that way! The AFC will get some spots but this one belongs to the APNU.

Anyone with common sense would expect that result. There's nothing wrong with Ramjattan pushing for an AFC member to get the speaker position, but that slot belongs to the APNU .... hands down.
In the interest of presenting the face of judicious decision making the speaker should be in the hands of the mediating party, the AFC. The PPP and the PNC cannot co opt all the plum roles.
FM
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Originally posted by BGurd_See:
This will be the first test of unity between AFC and APNU. If they can't come together and agree on a speaker then the PPP wins again and will elect its own speaker.
The AFC unfortunately, cannot afford the speaker position to the PPP.
FM
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Originally posted by baseman:
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Originally posted by Nuff:
The APNU has waited too long and worked too hard not to have its candidate selected. It's just that way! The AFC will get some spots but this one belongs to the APNU.

Anyone with common sense would expect that result. There's nothing wrong with Ramjattan pushing for an AFC member to get the speaker position, but that slot belongs to the APNU .... hands down.

You you have the article in the constitution which dictates that?
The "article" states that the majority pick the speaker. The PPP is in the minority in this case concerning summed opposition votes ... for the PPP to gain the speaker position, the AFC would HAVE to back them. That is not what the people voted for when they voted AFC.

On the other hand, by gaining 26 seats in Parliament the APNU is by far the larger holder of seats in the opposition. They will compromise with the AFC since this is a win win situation but to back down and give the AFC the speaker slot is definitely not what the APNU supporters voted for. Also ... won't the AFC lose a seat if it nominates one of their MP's? I could be wrong here.

It's just politics and if APNU attains the speaker position it is the smart approach to resolve the issue. Ramjattan has already stated that the he approves of the APNU nominee. I see no need for athe APNU and AFC to arm wrestle over this decision. It's just common sense.
FM
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Originally posted by Nuff:
The APNU has waited too long and worked too hard not to have its candidate selected. It's just that way! The AFC will get some spots but this one belongs to the APNU.

Anyone with common sense would expect that result. There's nothing wrong with Ramjattan pushing for an AFC member to get the speaker position, but that slot belongs to the APNU .... hands down.


The PPP is in favour of Deborah backer to be the speaker in return for certain concessions.

One of them is to support the Government for two years.
FM
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Originally posted by Ramakant_p:
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Originally posted by Nuff:
The APNU has waited too long and worked too hard not to have its candidate selected. It's just that way! The AFC will get some spots but this one belongs to the APNU.

Anyone with common sense would expect that result. There's nothing wrong with Ramjattan pushing for an AFC member to get the speaker position, but that slot belongs to the APNU .... hands down.


The PPP is in favour of Deborah backer to be the speaker in return for certain concessions.

One of them is to support the Government for two years.
And APNU will give them the finger and tell them you are not even in play on this decision!
FM
Ramjattan is showing his arrogance already. He will not settle for deputy speaker. making threats will not get him anywhere.. The PPP had in the past opened it's arms to afro_guyanese people and will be more comfortable working with them...
FM
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The "article" states that the majority pick the speaker.


Of the four parties that contested the Election, it shows that the PPP/C ends up with 32 Seats, the APNU/PNC ends up with 26 the AFC ends up with 7 and the TUF 0

A kid will tell you who is the majority of the four, as it does not says anything about coalition. Hence the PPP/C takes the speaker position.

Lets challenged it, if needs be.

But in order to be inclusive, the PPP/C may offer the Position to the AFC, and I feel that Nagamootoo might be the PPP/C's choice.

The PPP/C owes that to Naga.

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FM
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Originally posted by Ramakant_p:
Ramjattan is showing his arrogance already. He will not settle for deputy speaker. making threats will not get him anywhere.. The PPP had in the past opened it's arms to afro_guyanese people and will be more comfortable working with them...
Is it arrogance to say no to the grasping hands of the PPP and the PNC?
FM
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Originally posted by D2:
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Originally posted by Ramakant_p:
Ramjattan is showing his arrogance already. He will not settle for deputy speaker. making threats will not get him anywhere.. The PPP had in the past opened it's arms to afro_guyanese people and will be more comfortable working with them...
Is it arrogance to say no to the grasping hands of the PPP and the PNC?


he is not saying no. he is demanding and threatening..
FM
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Originally posted by Ramakant_p:
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Originally posted by D2:
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Originally posted by Ramakant_p:
Ramjattan is showing his arrogance already. He will not settle for deputy speaker. making threats will not get him anywhere.. The PPP had in the past opened it's arms to afro_guyanese people and will be more comfortable working with them...
Is it arrogance to say no to the grasping hands of the PPP and the PNC?


he is not saying no. he is demanding and threatening..
Bending the knees gets one nowhere with the PPP or the PNC.
FM
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Originally posted by D2:
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Originally posted by Ramakant_p:
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Originally posted by D2:
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Originally posted by Ramakant_p:
Ramjattan is showing his arrogance already. He will not settle for deputy speaker. making threats will not get him anywhere.. The PPP had in the past opened it's arms to afro_guyanese people and will be more comfortable working with them...
Is it arrogance to say no to the grasping hands of the PPP and the PNC?


he is not saying no. he is demanding and threatening..
Bending the knees gets one nowhere with the PPP or the PNC.


I am not asking him to beg. I am saying that he should be more diplomatic and truthful..
FM
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Originally posted by Ramakant_p:
The PPP is in favour of Deborah backer to be the speaker in return for certain concessions.

One of them is to support the Government for two years.
The PPP has absolutely no say when it comes to the speaker. It's all APNU and AFC.
FM
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Originally posted by Nuff:
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Originally posted by Ramakant_p:
The PPP is in favour of Deborah backer to be the speaker in return for certain concessions.

One of them is to support the Government for two years.
The PPP has absolutely no say when it comes to the speaker. It's all APNU and AFC.


Nonsense, if AFC and APNU at logger heads as the case seems to be, then the PPP will have the speaker with their 32 seats clout.
FM
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Originally posted by asj:
Of the four parties that contested the Election, it shows that the PPP/C ends up with 32 Seats, the APNU/PNC ends up with 26 the AFC ends up with 7 and the TUF 0

A kid will tell you who is the majority of the four, as it does not says anything about coalition. Hence the PPP/C takes the speaker position.

Lets challenged it, if needs be.

But in order to be inclusive, the PPP/C may offer the Position to the AFC, and I feel that Nagamootoo might be the PPP/C's choice.

The PPP/C owes that to Naga.

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Learn the facts ... the constitution states you get the presidency by default. The speaker is voted in by the majority of votes in parliament and unless the AFC climbs into bed with you ... all Ramotar can do is SUGGEST a candidtae.

YOUR DAYS ARE OVER. FACE THE FACTS AND LEARN ABOUT WHAT THE COSTITUTION STATES AND STOP PEDDLING GARBAGE.

You are clueless about the discussion at hand. The PP has no say when it comes to the speaker position unless they call for a new election.
FM
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Originally posted by Nuff:
quote:
Originally posted by asj:
Of the four parties that contested the Election, it shows that the PPP/C ends up with 32 Seats, the APNU/PNC ends up with 26 the AFC ends up with 7 and the TUF 0

A kid will tell you who is the majority of the four, as it does not says anything about coalition. Hence the PPP/C takes the speaker position.

Lets challenged it, if needs be.

But in order to be inclusive, the PPP/C may offer the Position to the AFC, and I feel that Nagamootoo might be the PPP/C's choice.

The PPP/C owes that to Naga.

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Learn the facts ... the constitution states you get the presidency by default. The speaker is voted in by the majority of votes in parliament and unless the AFC climbs into bed with you ... all Ramotar can do is SUGGEST a candidtae.

YOUR DAYS ARE OVER. FACE THE FACTS AND LEARN ABOUT WHAT THE COSTITUTION STATES AND STOP PEDDLING GARBAGE.

You are clueless about the discussion at hand. The PP has no say when it comes to the speaker position unless they call for a new election.


I know for a fact that the AFC will not get the Speaker's position. The PPP has a say in everything.. They are the government. They will decide who gets the speaker as the opposition are putting forward two separate candidates.
FM
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Originally posted by Ramakant_p:
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Originally posted by Nuff:
quote:
Originally posted by asj:
Of the four parties that contested the Election, it shows that the PPP/C ends up with 32 Seats, the APNU/PNC ends up with 26 the AFC ends up with 7 and the TUF 0

A kid will tell you who is the majority of the four, as it does not says anything about coalition. Hence the PPP/C takes the speaker position.

Lets challenged it, if needs be.

But in order to be inclusive, the PPP/C may offer the Position to the AFC, and I feel that Nagamootoo might be the PPP/C's choice.

The PPP/C owes that to Naga.

.
Learn the facts ... the constitution states you get the presidency by default. The speaker is voted in by the majority of votes in parliament and unless the AFC climbs into bed with you ... all Ramotar can do is SUGGEST a candidtae.

YOUR DAYS ARE OVER. FACE THE FACTS AND LEARN ABOUT WHAT THE COSTITUTION STATES AND STOP PEDDLING GARBAGE.

You are clueless about the discussion at hand. The PP has no say when it comes to the speaker position unless they call for a new election.


I know for a fact thet the AFC will not get the Speaker's position. The PPP has a say in everything.. They are the government. They will decide who get the speaker as the opposition are outting forward two separate candidates.
They will have to go with the PNC. Do you think they will want the agenda of parliament be controlled with their intractable political opponent? If so Ramotar will only add another vice grip to his testicles.
FM
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Originally posted by BGurd_See:
Nonsense, if AFC and APNU at logger heads as the case seems to be, then the PPP will have the speaker with their 32 seats clout.
And ... you really foresee that happening this early into the game. Wishful thinking.

The AFC doesn't hate the APNU as much as it hates the PPP.

Guys this is all commonsense. Watch how it plays out. The APNU will get the vote from the AFC and its candidate will be embraced by the AFC and nominated as speaker.

Anythig else is wishful thinking.
FM
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Originally posted by Nuff:
quote:
Originally posted by asj:
Of the four parties that contested the Election, it shows that the PPP/C ends up with 32 Seats, the APNU/PNC ends up with 26 the AFC ends up with 7 and the TUF 0

A kid will tell you who is the majority of the four, as it does not says anything about coalition. Hence the PPP/C takes the speaker position.

Lets challenged it, if needs be.

But in order to be inclusive, the PPP/C may offer the Position to the AFC, and I feel that Nagamootoo might be the PPP/C's choice.

The PPP/C owes that to Naga.

.
Learn the facts ... the constitution states you get the presidency by default. The speaker is voted in by the majority of votes in parliament and unless the AFC climbs into bed with you ... all Ramotar can do is SUGGEST a candidtae.

YOUR DAYS ARE OVER. FACE THE FACTS AND LEARN ABOUT WHAT THE COSTITUTION STATES AND STOP PEDDLING GARBAGE.

You are clueless about the discussion at hand. The PP has no say when it comes to the speaker position unless they call for a new election.


Then in this case I would trust the AFC more than I would the PNC/APNU and I would trust Naga more than Trotman. Indians will never ever trust the PNC/APNU if it ever comes down to that.

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FM
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Originally posted by BGurd_See:
Nonsense, if AFC and APNU at logger heads as the case seems to be, then the PPP will have the speaker with their 32 seats clout.
Wishful thinking.

I assure you the APNU and AFC will solidify their partnership by never allowing the PPP to nominate their candidate as speaker.

Dudes ... this is simple commonsense .. stop dreaming. It ain't gonna happen.
FM
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Originally posted by asj:
Then in this case I would trust the AFC more than I would the PNC/APNU and I would trust Naga more than Trotman. Indians will never ever trust the PNC/APNU if it ever comes down to that.

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What does that have to do with the price of eggs?

YOU THE PPP DON'T HAVE A SAY .... YOU ARE THE MINORITY!

This is between the AFC and APNU.
FM
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Originally posted by Ramakant_p:
ASF, this is not about you.

It's about what the PPP is going to do. They are more inclined to work with the PNC rather than the AFC.


Rama cha cha, it is not ASF it is ASJ Big Grin

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FM
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Originally posted by Ramakant_p:
ASF, this is not about you.

It's about what the PPP is going to do. They are more inclined to work with the PNC rather than the AFC.
THank you ... ASJ runs a good game but is clueless about who "run tings" in Guyana jnow.
FM
The AFC and the APNU are not working together.

They had no previous discussions about their plans and strategies.

The APNU is a minority party which cannot hope to form a government in the future. They will gain nothing by working with the AFC against the government.
FM
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Originally posted by Nuff:
quote:
Originally posted by BGurd_See:
Nonsense, if AFC and APNU at logger heads as the case seems to be, then the PPP will have the speaker with their 32 seats clout.
And ... you really foresee that happening this early into the game. Wishful thinking.

The AFC doesn't hate the APNU as much as it hates the PPP.

Guys this is all commonsense. Watch how it plays out. The APNU will get the vote from the AFC and its candidate will be embraced by the AFC and nominated as speaker.

Anythig else is wishful thinking.
Were I in the AFC I would ask the PPP for the Speaker role for the party if the PNC disagrees. What will they do to penalize the AFC; not go along with it elsewhere? The AFC should play strictly down the middle. The Speaker role to the PNC is not a prudent thing in this minority government. They are too angry driven and by no less vindictive inclinations than the PPP and they will use it self-servingly for narrow political interests rather than to serve the people.
FM
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Originally posted by D2:
quote:
Originally posted by Nuff:
quote:
Originally posted by BGurd_See:
Nonsense, if AFC and APNU at logger heads as the case seems to be, then the PPP will have the speaker with their 32 seats clout.
And ... you really foresee that happening this early into the game. Wishful thinking.

The AFC doesn't hate the APNU as much as it hates the PPP.

Guys this is all commonsense. Watch how it plays out. The APNU will get the vote from the AFC and its candidate will be embraced by the AFC and nominated as speaker.

Anythig else is wishful thinking.
Were I in the AFC I would ask the PPP for the Speaker role for the party if the PNC disagrees. What will they do to penalize the AFC; not go along with it elsewhere? The AFC should play strictly down the middle. The Speaker role to the PNC is not a prudent thing in this minority government. They are too angry driven and by no less vindictive inclinations than the PPP and they will use it self-servingly for narrow political interests rather than to serve the people.


Once in a while I would agree with you and in this case I do,

Trotman or Naga?

I still belief that Trotman has a hidden agenda with APNU/PNC

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FM
The AFC can go that route ... but that is starting off on the wrong foot. Left .. right ... not right left.

Imagine playing up to the PPP after all the PPP accused them of doing prior to elections. The issue here is to squash and humble the proud egotistical PPP and bring them to trial for their injustices.

Just my opinion. I don't think the AFC will go the PPP route to get the speaker job. Ramjattan has already stated he has no problem with the APNU candidate. It's time to bring a woman to the forefront of parliament so the men can get their act together once and for all.

Debra would weild a good whip in parliament.
FM
I have to return to my home but ASJ ... realise this ... all you have is the title presidency ... you have absolutely nothing else. This constitution is designed for failure with a minority gov't. Especially when you have an uncompromising haughty PPP.

That's why the PPP has been reduced to a toothless tiger in parliament. Sure the president can veto every pill which passes his desk ... but he will never pass the budget as a minority if he tries to bull doze the opposition in the upcoming weeks.

You will be forced to become a a humbler, gentler PPP ... because you no longer run things.

Dan dadda run tings now!
FM
quote:
Originally posted by Nuff:
The AFC can go that route ... but that is starting off on the wrong foot. Left .. right ... not right left.

Imagine playing up to the PPP after all the PPP accused them of doing prior to elections. The issue here is to squash and humble the proud the PPP and bring them to trial for their injustices.

Just my opinion. I don't think the AFC will go the PPP route to get the speaker job. Ramjattan has already stated he has no problem with the APNU candidate. It's time to bring a woman to the forefront of parliament so the men can get their act together once and for all.

Debra would weild a good whip in parliament.
I am offering my opinion without knowing the terms of negotiation between the APNU and the AFC. In terms of strict payoff benefits given the parties as we know them I say the AFC should have the speaker role. The APNU will have plausible deniability, the AFC will have a position of visible influence and the PPP would be less suspicious and looking over its shoulders for bushwhackers and the Guyanese people will feel the most comfort.
FM
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Originally posted by asj:
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Originally posted by Nuff:
quote:
Originally posted by asj:
Of the four parties that contested the Election, it shows that the PPP/C ends up with 32 Seats, the APNU/PNC ends up with 26 the AFC ends up with 7 and the TUF 0

A kid will tell you who is the majority of the four, as it does not says anything about coalition. Hence the PPP/C takes the speaker position.

Lets challenged it, if needs be.

But in order to be inclusive, the PPP/C may offer the Position to the AFC, and I feel that Nagamootoo might be the PPP/C's choice.

The PPP/C owes that to Naga.

.
Learn the facts ... the constitution states you get the presidency by default. The speaker is voted in by the majority of votes in parliament and unless the AFC climbs into bed with you ... all Ramotar can do is SUGGEST a candidtae.

YOUR DAYS ARE OVER. FACE THE FACTS AND LEARN ABOUT WHAT THE COSTITUTION STATES AND STOP PEDDLING GARBAGE.

You are clueless about the discussion at hand. The PP has no say when it comes to the speaker position unless they call for a new election.


Then in this case I would trust the AFC more than I would the PNC/APNU and I would trust Naga more than Trotman. Indians will never ever trust the PNC/APNU if it ever comes down to that.

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Of course they will not...with folks like you hammering away of the tribal tent, how could they. Race is the very foundation from which all else emanates from racist mindset.
FM
quote:
Originally posted by Nuff:
I have to return to my home but ASJ ... realise this ... all you have is the title presidency ... you have absolutely nothing else. This constitution is designed for failure with a minority gov't. Especially when you have an uncompromising haughty PPP.

That's why the PPP has been reduced to a toothless tiger in parliament. Sure the president can veto every pill which passes his desk ... but he will never pass the budget as a minority if he tries to bull doze the opposition in the upcoming weeks.

You will be forced to become a a humbler, gentler PPP ... because you no longer run things.

Dan dadda run tings now!


Who knows there can be closer cooperation between the PPP/C and the AFC

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FM
I think level heads between the APNU and AFC will prevail.

There is one common goal at hand. Squashing ther PPP. Just like the PPP squashed the AFC and APNU when it was in power. Just like Jagdeo cussed them both out at the end of his term. Of course there is no need to go the cuss down route.

I am sure the AFC and APNU will arrive at the right candidate for speaker. But I guarantee you the PPP won't have any say in that discussion.
FM

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