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Former Member

HASEEF YUSUF, AFC Councillor, Region 6  : IT is with profound thought and extreme deliberation that I have finally made this decision to let the public know, especially the Alliance For Change (AFC) members and supporters in Berbice of the corrupt and fraudulent practices of certain AFC members in Berbice, more specifically a Member of Parliament (MP). 

He has been on DTV 8 for the past few years where he hosted a programme called ‘Issues of the People’, where he vehemently lashed out at the government, the PPP/C, GPL, GWI and the Guyana Police Force, Guysuco, etcetera.  He proclaimed himself as the ‘champion’ of transparency, justice and accountability. He entertained anyone who claims to have a grievance and he would lash out without any supporting evidence. He also claimed on numerous occasions that he would ‘singlehandedly’ deliver Berbicians from oppression and corruption, even if the AFC fails to do so.
However, certain post-election events greatly contradicted this image he is trying so hard to portray on TV. I will deal chronologically with these events and you be the judge.
Just after the November elections, three AFC groups submitted financial reports on campaign activities to the Head Office: New Amsterdam, Whim and Upper Corentyne. Two of these groups submitted detailed reports with the necessary supporting documents; however, the Whim Group headed by this MP failed to do so. He submitted a financial report without supporting documents and he furthermore made a ludicrous claim. He claimed that he spent $4.5 M from his pocket and that the party should reimburse him. Two points should be noted here:
I) He was not authorised by the executive or the Campaign Manager to spend in excess of what funds were given to him through the party or by way of donations;
II) He provided no documentary evidence whatever to support his claim of $ 4.5M. In fact, he claimed that he was too busy for that. Right now he is asking for same such evidence in Parliament!
I want to add here that even for funds collected, no receipts were issued. In fact, he would tell a woman working at his house to ‘throw it in the box upstairs.’
The central executive of the party categorically refused to entertain his spurious and unsubstantiated claim for reimbursement. This led to the next linked event.
On February 1 this year, he convened a meeting at his Whim office where 51 members were present. At this meeting, he emphasised that the party owed him $4.5M and he tried to solicit funds through donations and fund- raising activities in order to recoup his claim of $4.5M ‘owed’ to him. He then convened an election to form a Regional Management Committee and to establish an AFC Office at his Office at Whim. One of the functions of this RMC would be fund-raising through which he would get ‘his money back.’
I was unanimously elected by all 51 members present as the Chairman, Mr. Lionel Howell as the Vice- Chairman and Ms. Donna Mathoo as the Secretary.
Among other things, I put forward fund-raising suggestions to the members present and asked their suggestions as to what should be done with excess funds above the needs of individual groups and everyone unanimously agreed that all excess funds should be placed into a bank account to take care of future expenses. No one present agreed that monies collected should be used to offset the claim by the MP. This irked him.
At this same meeting, he also suggested that a certain female be selected and employed to work at the AFC office to be opened at Whim. I strongly objected to this sort of cronyism and suggested that applications be invited so that there is fairness and transparency and that the most suitable person be selected. Can you imagine a fledgling party behaving in this undemocratic manner? Suddenly I became this MP’s number one enemy, but I can live with that!
The third event unfolded on April 16, 2012. Unknowing to Donna Mathoo (the Secretary) and I, another election meeting was convened to re-elect office bearers to the Regional Management Committee. The meeting held on February 1, 2012 was declared unconstitutional by the General Secretary, Mr. Sixtus Edwards. I knew about this meeting two days later when Mr. Lionel Howell called me to hand over some funds and documents to him, the new Chairman.
However three points should be raised here:
i) Donna and I were never officially or unofficially informed that the election held on February 1 was null and void and that we were no longer the Chairman and Secretary respectively, and that the office will become vacant;
ii) We were not invited to present ourselves for nomination or otherwise; and
iii) A public announcement was not made about the election meeting. The AFC’s Constitution Article, Section 8, has made it clear that all groups in the region should be invited for any such meeting. Less than 20 members were present. Why the MP did  not make a public announcement on DTV 8 the week before so that members could take notice? Why only a selected handful of members? Is this not rigging? Is this not fraudulent?
It is time to take out the ‘beam from thine own eyes’ Mr. MP!
And lo and behold the very same female whom the good MP recommended was employed to work in the AFC Office! And yet speakest thou about cronyism! This is a shame and disgrace to the very principles which the AFC stand for or claims to stand for!
The million dollar (or 4.5 million) question that I want Mr. Ramjattan to answer is: Was the MP acting in the interest in the AFC or in his own self-interest?
The other questions are:
i) Where is the accountability within the AFC?
ii) Where is the transparency in the electoral process?
iii) Isn’t there cronyism within the AFC?
iv)What are you going to do about these matters?
v) Afraid of another defection if you drop the hammer?
I doubt whether Mr. Ramjattan has the courage to act decisively in these matters since I have emailed him three times and on the third occasion he said that he was too busy and that the General Secretary will deal with these matters.
In any other country the misuse and abuse of campaign funds are dealt with criminally, especially where a person is making unsubstantiated claims in order to enrich himself or herself. But alas ! In Guyana such a person will be promoted to high offices.
I still want to know which university made that terrible blunder to confer that MP with a doctorate as he is unfit for public office and should be severely reprimanded for his actions. I call upon the party’s Chairman, Mr. Ramjattan and the Central Executive to act decisively now or face the consequences later.
At this point I am undecided as to what my next move will be,  but I am sure that it hinges on how the party will take it from here.

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Well Well.

 

It seems that the evil AFC is now being exposed. It is only a matter of time that that Berbicians realize that they were sold snake oil and they have to suffer the consequences.

 

Gerhard, can you respond ?

 

Cause you are now looking like just another politician defending a corrupt party, if this is true.

 

Fellow Guyanese, we better wake up before the AFC and PNC destroy Guyana.

FM
Originally Posted by Nehru:

Bannas, No one should be surprised. THE KFC is the offical SNAKEOIL Party.

I am now beginning the wonder why the AFC was recently in New Amsterdam.

 

Was it damage control or was it a political meeting ?

 

Gerhard can you respond since you posted an caption here that the AFC was in New Amsterdam ?


This is outrageous,, since the AFC is playing the champion of accountability and the top brass according this letter (Ramjattan) is deferring this matter. 


Should the police not be called in to investigate this matter ? 


After all, the AFC needs everything investigated.


This is the new AFC Gate affair. Let us see how the snake oil people handle this matter.

FM
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Nehru:

Bannas, No one should be surprised. THE KFC is the offical SNAKEOIL Party.

I am now beginning the wonder why the AFC was recently in New Amsterdam.

 

Was it damage control or was it a political meeting ?

 

Gerhard can you respond since you posted an caption here that the AFC was in New Amsterdam ?


This is outrageous,, since the AFC is playing the champion of accountability and the top brass according this letter (Ramjattan) is deferring this matter. 


Should the police not be called in to investigate this matter ? 


After all, the AFC needs everything investigated.


This is the new AFC Gate affair. Let us see how the snake oil people handle this matter.

I'm not surprised that they haven't shown their faces in this thread as yet  

FM

Plain bull. You have and entire PPP cabal sloshing off the nations till and you are bringing this up as an AFC corrupt practice? At minimum it is  a member with some slights of hand not amounting to more than petty theft.

 

Think of the grand larceny with the lotto funds the Geology and Mine residuals and then that dubious NICIL grand scale corruption project. The PPP has industrialized theft and here you cretins come making mountains of mole hills to hide you nasty ways!

FM
Originally Posted by Stormborn:

 At minimum it is  a member with some slights of hand not amounting to more than petty theft.

 

 

This is what you've comforted yourself with? Stealing always starts small .........just imagine what would happen if the Bush Doctor get his hands on a larger purse 

FM

Berbicians will not let this matter go away lightly.


This AFC Gate matter might split up the AFC. They will fall very hard. It happens when a party sees evil everywhere excel in it's own camp.


Double standards ?

 

This guy Ramjattan is classic, he does not take this matter of corruption in his won party seriously while he call on the government to provide evidence for everything.

 

Well, it is time that the AFC comes clean on corruption it's own party. 

FM
Originally Posted by Stormborn:

Plain bull. You have and entire PPP cabal sloshing off the nations till and you are bringing this up as an AFC corrupt practice? At minimum it is  a member with some slights of hand not amounting to more than petty theft.

 

Think of the grand larceny with the lotto funds the Geology and Mine residuals and then that dubious NICIL grand scale corruption project. The PPP has industrialized theft and here you cretins come making mountains of mole hills to hide you nasty ways!

AFC saviour is here defending alleged 4.5 million as petty theft. 

 

Let the AFC respond and prove this elected official's letter false. This is serious. No amount of snake oil or smoke screen will end this matter until the AFC officially responds.

 

Until then D2/Storm, do not make a fool of yourself.

FM
Originally Posted by albert:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:

 At minimum it is  a member with some slights of hand not amounting to more than petty theft.

 

 

This is what you've comforted yourself with? Stealing always starts small .........just imagine what would happen if the Bush Doctor get his hands on a larger purse 

I guess as a PPP acolyte you would be well apprised of he modalities of the thief. On that graduation strategy one would say we have proctorial candidates in the PPP since they are seel to populate palatine avenues in Pradoville one and two.

 

I do not know this doctor ( I think we may have known each other as kids) personally or what you alleged but to say he matters to me more than the PPP is a stretch. As for calling him a bush doctor I would advise you to check the reality that any pharmaceutical worth its salt has their genesis in  alkaloids.

FM
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by albert:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:

 At minimum it is  a member with some slights of hand not amounting to more than petty theft.

 

 

This is what you've comforted yourself with? Stealing always starts small .........just imagine what would happen if the Bush Doctor get his hands on a larger purse 

I guess as a PPP acolyte you would be well apprised of he modalities of the thief. On that graduation strategy one would say we have proctorial candidates in the PPP since they are seel to populate palatine avenues in Pradoville one and two.

 

I do not know this doctor ( I think we may have known each other as kids) personally or what you alleged but to say he matters to me more than the PPP is a stretch. As for calling him a bush doctor I would advise you to check the reality that any pharmaceutical worth its salt has their genesis in  alkaloids.

Now that the AFC has egg on their faces, D2/Storm decides to defend them and thus making a mockery of himself.


This is what the Guyanese population should expect from a snake oil party. Instead of the AFC members to asking their top brass to explain the matter, they chose to start defending their own on alleged theft.


In the meanwhile, they demand it at a national level. Double standards ?


If this is not unfair, what else is ?

FM
Originally Posted by yuji22:

Berbicians will not let this matter go away lightly.


This AFC Gate matter might split up the AFC. They will fall very hard. It happens when a party sees evil everywhere excel in it's own camp.


Double standards ?

 

This guy Ramjattan is classic, he does not take this matter of corruption in his won party seriously while he call on the government to provide evidence for everything.

 

Well, it is time that the AFC comes clean on corruption it's own party. 

 Ask the PPP to sanction Repu   his son on the gravy train...but then there is ramotar and ....damn the list is too long and a tedium to detail at this point. Berbicians are in general like you, rats of Hamlin with the PPP as their piper.

FM
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by yuji22:

Berbicians will not let this matter go away lightly.


This AFC Gate matter might split up the AFC. They will fall very hard. It happens when a party sees evil everywhere excel in it's own camp.


Double standards ?

 

This guy Ramjattan is classic, he does not take this matter of corruption in his won party seriously while he call on the government to provide evidence for everything.

 

Well, it is time that the AFC comes clean on corruption it's own party. 

 Ask the PPP to sanction Repu   his son on the gravy train...but then there is ramotar and ....damn the list is too long and a tedium to detail at this point. Berbicians are in general like you, rats of Hamlin with the PPP as their piper.

Storm, this letter is about AFC. What don't you get ?

FM
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by albert:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:

 At minimum it is  a member with some slights of hand not amounting to more than petty theft.

 

 

This is what you've comforted yourself with? Stealing always starts small .........just imagine what would happen if the Bush Doctor get his hands on a larger purse 

I guess as a PPP acolyte you would be well apprised of he modalities of the thief. On that graduation strategy one would say we have proctorial candidates in the PPP since they are seel to populate palatine avenues in Pradoville one and two.

 

I do not know this doctor ( I think we may have known each other as kids) personally or what you alleged but to say he matters to me more than the PPP is a stretch. As for calling him a bush doctor I would advise you to check the reality that any pharmaceutical worth its salt has their genesis in  alkaloids.

Now that the AFC has egg on their faces, D2/Storm decides to defend them and thus making a mockery of himself.


This is what the Guyanese population should expect from a snake oil party. Instead of the AFC members to asking their top brass to explain the matter, they chose to start defending their own on alleged theft.


In the meanwhile, they demand it at a national level. Double standards ?


If this is not unfair, what else is ?

 I do not care for to concern myself with the piddling of a worker with pettey cash. That is penny wise and pund foolish. I care about the Fip motilal or the double payment of Sparendam and Parika stellings or the gouging on the berbice river bridge because PPP cronies are like ticks on the nations arteries.

FM
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by yuji22:

Berbicians will not let this matter go away lightly.


This AFC Gate matter might split up the AFC. They will fall very hard. It happens when a party sees evil everywhere excel in it's own camp.


Double standards ?

 

This guy Ramjattan is classic, he does not take this matter of corruption in his won party seriously while he call on the government to provide evidence for everything.

 

Well, it is time that the AFC comes clean on corruption it's own party. 

 Ask the PPP to sanction Repu   his son on the gravy train...but then there is ramotar and ....damn the list is too long and a tedium to detail at this point. Berbicians are in general like you, rats of Hamlin with the PPP as their piper.

Storm, this letter is about AFC. What don't you get ?

 This letter is about a practiced muckraker on the pay of GINA out of the office of the President with his usual slant.

 

The PPP are not into correcting their ways. They are into shooting the messengers. Well, as the saying goes; I am on the wall.

FM
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by albert:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:

 At minimum it is  a member with some slights of hand not amounting to more than petty theft.

 

 

This is what you've comforted yourself with? Stealing always starts small .........just imagine what would happen if the Bush Doctor get his hands on a larger purse 

I guess as a PPP acolyte you would be well apprised of he modalities of the thief. On that graduation strategy one would say we have proctorial candidates in the PPP since they are seel to populate palatine avenues in Pradoville one and two.

 

I do not know this doctor ( I think we may have known each other as kids) personally or what you alleged but to say he matters to me more than the PPP is a stretch. As for calling him a bush doctor I would advise you to check the reality that any pharmaceutical worth its salt has their genesis in  alkaloids.

Now that the AFC has egg on their faces, D2/Storm decides to defend them and thus making a mockery of himself.


This is what the Guyanese population should expect from a snake oil party. Instead of the AFC members to asking their top brass to explain the matter, they chose to start defending their own on alleged theft.


In the meanwhile, they demand it at a national level. Double standards ?


If this is not unfair, what else is ?

 I do not care for to concern myself with the piddling of a worker with pettey cash. That is penny wise and pund foolish. I care about the Fip motilal or the double payment of Sparendam and Parika stellings or the gouging on the berbice river bridge because PPP cronies are like ticks on the nations arteries.

 

You and the AFC are showing your true colors when it comes down to theft in your own party. You are saying that it is OK to steal as long as it happens within the AFC. 

 

Remember, this is alleged. Should your party not make an official statement on this matter and put it rest once and for all ?

 

Theft is Theft. The people are not going to take this seriously. After all , read your claims against the PPP, it is all claims of theft. Stop making a mockery of yourself. Period.


The AFC have demanded high morale standards, should this not also apply to their own party ?


By the way, this is a claim from an elected official. The police should investigate this matter fully.


BTW, the Mr. Ramnarine who you defended in the 90 million dollar investigation by the AFC  was given a cheque of $ 320,000. He claimed that he received no money.


Should he now be fired ? Or will you defend him also ? 

FM
Last edited by Former Member
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
 I do not care for to concern myself with the piddling of a worker with pettey cash. That is penny wise and pund foolish. I care about the Fip motilal or the double payment of Sparendam and Parika stellings or the gouging on the berbice river bridge because PPP cronies are like ticks on the nations arteries.

 

You and the AFC are showing your true colors when it comes down to theft in your own party. You are saying that it is OK to steal as long as it happens within the AFC. 

 

Remember, this is alleged. Should your party not make an official statement on this matter and put it rest once and for all ?

 

Theft is Theft. The people are not going to take this seriously. After all , read your claims against the PPP, it is all claims of theft. Stop making a mockery of yourself. Period.


The AFC have demanded high morale standards, should this not also apply to their own party ?


By the way, this is a claim from an elected official. The police should investigate this matter fully.


BTW, the Mr. Ramnarine who you defended in the 90 million dollar investigation by the AFC  was given a cheque of $ 320,000. He claimed that he received no money.


Should he now be fired ? Or will you defend him also ? 

 I am the same color I was yesterday, a delightful coffee and cinnamon. I do not know the source of this information and it coming from raul above means nothing more in the scope of his dealings  but a bit of his usual fishwives tale.  Note his contempt for the man in calling him a bush doctor? That is Ramatour and Jagdeo coinage, yes a couple of practiced crooks, deciding to revile an man on little but their nonsense. What the hell is Ramtar's profession?

FM
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
 I do not care for to concern myself with the piddling of a worker with pettey cash. That is penny wise and pund foolish. I care about the Fip motilal or the double payment of Sparendam and Parika stellings or the gouging on the berbice river bridge because PPP cronies are like ticks on the nations arteries.

 

You and the AFC are showing your true colors when it comes down to theft in your own party. You are saying that it is OK to steal as long as it happens within the AFC. 

 

Remember, this is alleged. Should your party not make an official statement on this matter and put it rest once and for all ?

 

Theft is Theft. The people are not going to take this seriously. After all , read your claims against the PPP, it is all claims of theft. Stop making a mockery of yourself. Period.


The AFC have demanded high morale standards, should this not also apply to their own party ?


By the way, this is a claim from an elected official. The police should investigate this matter fully.


BTW, the Mr. Ramnarine who you defended in the 90 million dollar investigation by the AFC  was given a cheque of $ 320,000. He claimed that he received no money.


Should he now be fired ? Or will you defend him also ? 

 I am the same color I was yesterday, a delightful coffee and cinnamon. I do not know the source of this information and it coming from raul above means nothing more in the scope of his dealings  but a bit of his usual fishwives tale.  Note his contempt for the man in calling him a bush doctor? That is Ramatour and Jagdeo coinage, yes a couple of practiced crooks, deciding to revile an man on little but their nonsense. What the hell is Ramtar's profession?

One paragraph of snake oil response.


Are you losing your mind ?

FM
Originally Posted by yuji22:
 

 I am the same color I was yesterday, a delightful coffee and cinnamon. I do not know the source of this information and it coming from raul above means nothing more in the scope of his dealings  but a bit of his usual fishwives tale.  Note his contempt for the man in calling him a bush doctor? That is Ramatour and Jagdeo coinage, yes a couple of practiced crooks, deciding to revile an man on little but their nonsense. What the hell is Ramtar's profession?

One paragraph of snake oil response.


Are you losing your mind ?

Hahahahahahahahahahaha he lost his mind long ago. I feel so sorry for D2 

FM

 Not  withstanding the  habitual  intransigencies of  the two dinosaurs,  this is indde a damning indictment against  the   executives  and  leadership  of  the   AFC. I  suspect there  is  more  than  meet  the  eyes here.  Councillor Haseef Yusuf may  very  well  be  the  manchurian  candidate or an  opportunist  that  was  enticed  back within  the  fold of  the PPP with  a  generous  dispensation  of  milk. On  the  other  hand,  it  could  be   just an  internal squabble   or  a clash  of  personality  that  were addressed  in  an  adequate and  timely   manner and  was  allowed  to fester and   get  out  of  hand. In  any  event,  the  leadership, and   specifically  Ramjattan, as  Chairman  of  the  party cannot  escape responsibility here.  Perhaps an  excellent example of  A Stitch  In  Time  Saves Nine. It  is  in  fact  an  organizational anomaly  that  is  widespread in the political  structure of  most third  world nations.  

FM
Last edited by Former Member
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
 I do not care for to concern myself with the piddling of a worker with pettey cash. That is penny wise and pund foolish. I care about the Fip motilal or the double payment of Sparendam and Parika stellings or the gouging on the berbice river bridge because PPP cronies are like ticks on the nations arteries.

 

You and the AFC are showing your true colors when it comes down to theft in your own party. You are saying that it is OK to steal as long as it happens within the AFC. 

 

Remember, this is alleged. Should your party not make an official statement on this matter and put it rest once and for all ?

 

Theft is Theft. The people are not going to take this seriously. After all , read your claims against the PPP, it is all claims of theft. Stop making a mockery of yourself. Period.


The AFC have demanded high morale standards, should this not also apply to their own party ?


By the way, this is a claim from an elected official. The police should investigate this matter fully.


BTW, the Mr. Ramnarine who you defended in the 90 million dollar investigation by the AFC  was given a cheque of $ 320,000. He claimed that he received no money.


Should he now be fired ? Or will you defend him also ? 

 I am the same color I was yesterday, a delightful coffee and cinnamon. I do not know the source of this information and it coming from raul above means nothing more in the scope of his dealings  but a bit of his usual fishwives tale.  Note his contempt for the man in calling him a bush doctor? That is Ramatour and Jagdeo coinage, yes a couple of practiced crooks, deciding to revile an man on little but their nonsense. What the hell is Ramtar's profession?

One paragraph of snake oil response.


Are you losing your mind ?

 If there was more meat on the bones of your prognostications one may write more. I am not reluctant to do so since of habit I repeat myself over and over as I am well aware it is the best chance to penetrate thick skulls.

FM
Originally Posted by Mara:

 Not  withstanding the  habitual  intransigencies of  the two dinosaurs,  this is indde a damning indictment against  the   executives  and  leadership  of  the   AFC. I  suspect there  is  more  than  meet  the  eyes here.  Councillor Haseef Yusuf may  very  well  be  the  manchurian  candidate or an  opportunist  that  was  enticed  back within  the  fold of  the PPP with  a  generous  dispensation  of  milk. On  the  other  hand,  it  could  be   just an  internal squabble   or  a clash  of  personality  that  were addressed  in  an  adequate and  timely   manner and  was  allowed  to fester and   get  out  of  hand. In  any  event,  the  leadership, and   specifically  Ramjattan, as  Chairman  of  the  party cannot  escape responsibility here.  Perhaps an  excellent example of  A Stitch  In  Time  Saves Nine.

Well Well

 

Double standards everywhere from the AFC members. The message: It is ok to steal, and better yet, make a claim that it is coming from a disgruntled member.

 

Please do not forget for a moment here, unless the AFC make an official statement, people will demand answer from them. After all, the AFC always demands answers from the government.

 

Double standards ?

 

Come on guys, who are you trying to fool ? This is coming from an elected official. If we are to develop a new and just Guyana, than the AFC standards should also apply to themselves.

 

Gerhard has signed in for a while with no response so far. Why the silence ?

 

What is fair is fair.

FM
Originally Posted by Mara:

 Not  withstanding the  habitual  intransigencies of  the two dinosaurs,  this is indde a damning indictment against  the   executives  and  leadership  of  the   AFC. I  suspect there  is  more  than  meet  the  eyes here.  Councillor Haseef Yusuf may  very  well  be  the  manchurian  candidate or an  opportunist  that  was  enticed  back within  the  fold of  the PPP with  a  generous  dispensation  of  milk. On  the  other  hand,  it  could  be   just an  internal squabble   or  a clash  of  personality  that  were addressed  in  an  adequate and  timely   manner and  was  allowed  to fester and   get  out  of  hand. In  any  event,  the  leadership, and   specifically  Ramjattan, as  Chairman  of  the  party cannot  escape responsibility here.  Perhaps an  excellent example of  A Stitch  In  Time  Saves Nine.

I am not inclined as the original poster did to immediately indict he AFC, try them and convict them. Given the source and the strategy of the PPP to rake muck at every instance does incline one to take any reporting from them beyond natural prudence.

 

Indeed if one takes care of the little things the big things fall into place. But if the ones pointing to the little things is the PPP I would be wise to look for a better source.

 

FM
Originally Posted by Mara:

 Not  withstanding the  habitual  intransigencies of  the two dinosaurs,  this is indde a damning indictment against  the   executives  and  leadership  of  the   AFC. I  suspect there  is  more  than  meet  the  eyes here.  Councillor Haseef Yusuf may  very  well  be  the  manchurian  candidate or an  opportunist  that  was  enticed  back within  the  fold of  the PPP with  a  generous  dispensation  of  milk. On  the  other  hand,  it  could  be   just an  internal squabble   or  a clash  of  personality  that  were addressed  in  an  adequate and  timely   manner and  was  allowed  to fester and   get  out  of  hand. In  any  event,  the  leadership, and   specifically  Ramjattan, as  Chairman  of  the  party cannot  escape responsibility here.  Perhaps an  excellent example of  A Stitch  In  Time  Saves Nine. It  is  in  fact  an  organizational anomaly  that  is  widespread in the political  structure of  most third  world nations.  

The law of karma never fails. What goes around comes around.

 

The AFC is yet to respond and Gerhard has been signed in over thirty minutes. His silence can add to speculation.

 

Until then, we demand an answer from the AFC. Please clear up this matter before it becomes a political mess and heaps political scorn on the AFC.

 

If this is a disgruntled member, please say so but his claim is serious. 

 

We are building a new Guyana. What is fair is fair. I will be the first one to accept a fair and reasonable answer.

FM
Originally Posted by Stormborn:

I am not reluctant to do so since of habit I repeat myself over and over as I am well aware it is the best chance to penetrate thick skulls.

.. with continued nonsense.

FM
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Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Mara:

 Not  withstanding the  habitual  intransigencies of  the two dinosaurs,  this is indde a damning indictment against  the   executives  and  leadership  of  the   AFC. I  suspect there  is  more  than  meet  the  eyes here.  Councillor Haseef Yusuf may  very  well  be  the  manchurian  candidate or an  opportunist  that  was  enticed  back within  the  fold of  the PPP with  a  generous  dispensation  of  milk. On  the  other  hand,  it  could  be   just an  internal squabble   or  a clash  of  personality  that  were addressed  in  an  adequate and  timely   manner and  was  allowed  to fester and   get  out  of  hand. In  any  event,  the  leadership, and   specifically  Ramjattan, as  Chairman  of  the  party cannot  escape responsibility here.  Perhaps an  excellent example of  A Stitch  In  Time  Saves Nine.

Well Well

 

Double standards everywhere from the AFC members. The message: It is ok to steal, and better yet, make a claim that it is coming from a disgruntled member.

 

Please do not forget for a moment here, unless the AFC make an official statement, people will demand answer from them. After all, the AFC always demands answers from the government.

 

Double standards ?

 

Come on guys, who are you trying to fool ? This is coming from an elected official.If we are to develop a new and just Guyana, than the AFC standards should also apply to themselves.

 

Gerhard has signed in for a while with no response so far. Why the silence ?

 

What is fair is fair.

 

Perhaps  double  standard  for  the  myopic and  those under a   permanent  stupor from  over consumption  of  PPP' milk. If they  can lure  &  pacify  rabid  PNCites  like Lumumba,  McCoy,  Nacimento,  and Bynoe with milk,  a  roti & alu  choka may  suffice for a  low  level  AFC  counsellor  / former  PPP  hanger on.


 I  fully  agree that  "If we are to develop a new and just Guyana, than the AFC standards should also apply to themselves."That's  why  I  stated  that  the  leadership  &  Ramjattan are  accountable and  cannot  escape  blame. 

FM
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:

I am not reluctant to do so since of habit I repeat myself over and over as I am well aware it is the best chance to penetrate thick skulls.

.. with continued nonsense.

Pity him cause his buddy was recently sent to jail. This may be the cause of this stupidity.

FM
Originally Posted by Mara:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Mara:

 Not  withstanding the  habitual  intransigencies of  the two dinosaurs,  this is indde a damning indictment against  the   executives  and  leadership  of  the   AFC. I  suspect there  is  more  than  meet  the  eyes here.  Councillor Haseef Yusuf may  very  well  be  the  manchurian  candidate or an  opportunist  that  was  enticed  back within  the  fold of  the PPP with  a  generous  dispensation  of  milk. On  the  other  hand,  it  could  be   just an  internal squabble   or  a clash  of  personality  that  were addressed  in  an  adequate and  timely   manner and  was  allowed  to fester and   get  out  of  hand. In  any  event,  the  leadership, and   specifically  Ramjattan, as  Chairman  of  the  party cannot  escape responsibility here.  Perhaps an  excellent example of  A Stitch  In  Time  Saves Nine.

Well Well

 

Double standards everywhere from the AFC members. The message: It is ok to steal, and better yet, make a claim that it is coming from a disgruntled member.

 

Please do not forget for a moment here, unless the AFC make an official statement, people will demand answer from them. After all, the AFC always demands answers from the government.

 

Double standards ?

 

Come on guys, who are you trying to fool ? This is coming from an elected official.If we are to develop a new and just Guyana, than the AFC standards should also apply to themselves.

 

Gerhard has signed in for a while with no response so far. Why the silence ?

 

What is fair is fair.

 

Perhaps  double  standard  for  the  myopic and  those under a   permanent  stupor from  over consumption  of  PPP' milk. If they  can lure  &  pacify  rabid  PNCites  like Lumumba,  McCoy,  Nacimento,  and Bynoe with milk,  a  roti & alu  choka may  suffice for a  low  level  AFC  counsellor  / former  PPP  hanger on.


 I  fully  agree that  "If we are to develop a new and just Guyana, than the AFC standards should also apply to themselves."That's  why  I  stated  that  the  leadership  &  Ramjattan are  accountable and  cannot  escape  blame. 

Based on your response, I can see that Ramjattan calls the shots in this party. Gerhard has signed in over an hour now and cannot respond. And that reinforces my point that he is being used by the AFC top brass with no real power to represent the party.

 

The AFC is proving that they are demanding very high standards but they claim exemption for themselves. That is double standards.

 

The AFC like other protest parties will eventually break up if they do not apply the standards that the require from others unto themselves.

 

This is a very serious claim and the least they should have done is make an official statement. This claim is coming from an elected official.

FM
Originally Posted by yuji22:
 

The AFC is yet to respond and Gerhard has been signed in over thirty minutes. His silence can add to speculation.


Yuji:

 

The Bible says, "a mirror reflects a man's face but what he is really like is shown by the kind of friends he chooses" or as they say in Guyana, "show me your company and I'll tell you who you are." Well, it looks like your friend Gerhard is keeping some devious company.

 

Here is young Rohan Rampertaub demonstrating against Gerhard's AFC in Region 6:

 

 

 

Rev

FM
Originally Posted by Rev Al:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
 

The AFC is yet to respond and Gerhard has been signed in over thirty minutes. His silence can add to speculation.


Yuji:

 

The Bible says, "a mirror reflects a man's face but what he is really like is shown by the kind of friends he chooses" or as they say in Guyana, "show me your company and I'll tell you who you are." Well, it looks like your friend Gerhard is keeping some devious company.

 

Here is young Rohan Rampertaub demonstrating against Gerhard's AFC in Region 6:

 

 

 

Rev

Al

 

I read a verse from the Bible and Bhagavad Gita every day.

 

I clearly remember the verse that you quoted. It is so sad that the AFC  has proven that they are one corrupt lot yet they throw stones at others when they have a glass house.

 

Nice picture. A picture is worth a thousand words.

 

My dad had me carrying a sign supporting Dr. Jagan when I was very young. Because Dr. Jagan was the most honest man.

 

In those days only the PNC were thieves. Now, we have many at very high levels with different clothing.

FM
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by Mara:

 Not  withstanding the  habitual  intransigencies of  the two dinosaurs,  this is indde a damning indictment against  the   executives  and  leadership  of  the   AFC. I  suspect there  is  more  than  meet  the  eyes here.  Councillor Haseef Yusuf may  very  well  be  the  manchurian  candidate or an  opportunist  that  was  enticed  back within  the  fold of  the PPP with  a  generous  dispensation  of  milk. On  the  other  hand,  it  could  be   just an  internal squabble   or  a clash  of  personality  that  were addressed  in  an  adequate and  timely   manner and  was  allowed  to fester and   get  out  of  hand. In  any  event,  the  leadership, and   specifically  Ramjattan, as  Chairman  of  the  party cannot  escape responsibility here.  Perhaps an  excellent example of  A Stitch  In  Time  Saves Nine.

I am not inclined as the original poster did to immediately indict he AFC, try them and convict them. Given the source and the strategy of the PPP to rake muck at every instance does incline one to take any reporting from them beyond natural prudence.

 

Indeed if one takes care of the little things the big things fall into place. But if the ones pointing to the little things is the PPP I would be wise to look for a better source.

 

I  would  tend  to  agree  with  you  here.  However,  the  AFC being  touted  as  the winds  of  change cannot afford  these boo- boos. It  is  not  like   Ramjattan  and  Nagamottoo  are  green horn. They  are  seasoned  politiians.

 

As  an  aside, I  have  it  from  usually  reliable inside  source that  some  of  the  very issues ( puffiness,  false  pride and arrogance),  that  have alienated the  PPP from  its traditional  support  base, have  also  reared  its  ugly  head within  the  leadership  of  the  AFC. 

FM
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:

I am not reluctant to do so since of habit I repeat myself over and over as I am well aware it is the best chance to penetrate thick skulls.

.. with continued nonsense.

Pity him cause his buddy was recently sent to jail. This may be the cause of this stupidity.

It would be  a stretch to call him my friend but then again he was not my enemy. Lastly, his stupidity is his stupidity.

 

I am quite sure you would not award kudos to me for the successes of the people that crossed my path over a life time as I can assure you I had nothing to do with that either.

 

FM
Originally Posted by Mara:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by Mara:

 Not  withstanding the  habitual  intransigencies of  the two dinosaurs,  this is indde a damning indictment against  the   executives  and  leadership  of  the   AFC. I  suspect there  is  more  than  meet  the  eyes here.  Councillor Haseef Yusuf may  very  well  be  the  manchurian  candidate or an  opportunist  that  was  enticed  back within  the  fold of  the PPP with  a  generous  dispensation  of  milk. On  the  other  hand,  it  could  be   just an  internal squabble   or  a clash  of  personality  that  were addressed  in  an  adequate and  timely   manner and  was  allowed  to fester and   get  out  of  hand. In  any  event,  the  leadership, and   specifically  Ramjattan, as  Chairman  of  the  party cannot  escape responsibility here.  Perhaps an  excellent example of  A Stitch  In  Time  Saves Nine.

I am not inclined as the original poster did to immediately indict he AFC, try them and convict them. Given the source and the strategy of the PPP to rake muck at every instance does incline one to take any reporting from them beyond natural prudence.

 

Indeed if one takes care of the little things the big things fall into place. But if the ones pointing to the little things is the PPP I would be wise to look for a better source.

 

I  would  tend  to  agree  with  you  here.  However,  the  AFC being  touted  as  the winds  of  change cannot afford  these boo- boos. It  is  not  like   Ramjattan  and  Nagamottoo  are  green horn. They  are  seasoned  politiians.

 

As  an  aside, I  have  it  from  usually  reliable inside  source that  some  of  the  very issues ( puffiness,  false  pride and arrogance),  that  have alienated the  PPP from  its traditional  support  base, have  also  shown  its  ugly  head within  the  leadership  of  the  AFC. 

Mara,

 

One can only imagine how this have affected many including myself. For me, the AFC was supposed to represent a party of change to watch over politicians who would want to cross the line.

 

The PPP was dealt a serious lesson at the elections and the AFC has now joined the club. 

 

I always insisted that Gerhard should have been a part the AFC top brass but he was shoved aside.

 

It is still not too late for the young Gerhard to seek his own fortunes.

FM
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Nice picture. A picture is worth a thousand words.

 


Yuji:

 

Don't be surprised to see poster Stormborn show up and write a 2000 word essay on why that child is a sinister monster. Stormborn and many of the AFC supporters on this forum are a bunch of shady, fraudulent, insidious, deceitful, slimy hypocrites.

 

Rev 

 

 

FM
Originally Posted by Rev Al:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Nice picture. A picture is worth a thousand words.

 


Yuji:

 

Don't be surprised to see poster Stormborn show up and write a 2000 word essay on why that child is a sinister monster. Stormborn and many of the AFC supporters on this forum are a bunch of shady, fraudulent, insidious, deceitful, slimy hypocrites.

 

Rev 

 

 

And the PPP and its supporters are the creators delight!

FM
Originally Posted by Rev Al:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Nice picture. A picture is worth a thousand words.

 


Yuji:

 

Don't be surprised to see poster Stormborn show up and write a 2000 word essay on why that child is a sinister monster. Stormborn and many of the AFC supporters on this forum are a bunch of shady, fraudulent, insidious, deceitful, slimy hypocrites.

 

Rev 

 

 

Storm is the new AFC poster boy (Gerhard using a different nick ? ). He will be on their election logo, next election with a snake oil logo next to his name.

 

The AFC has surely disappointed. Politicians are the same everywhere. Traitor Moses and Ramjattan will now have to face Berbicians.

 

These two men allowed their ego to overcome them emotionally and put their interests above the interest of the nation and show a blind eye towards corruption in their own party while they demand high standards from the PPP.

 

Politicians from the Jagdoe era put us in this situation where even the AFC is licking their fingers to fill up their own pockets.

 

Success breeds corruption and pride.

 

Very sad day for the honest hard working class people of Guyana.

 

It should be mandatory for all MP's in Guyana to attend Sunday school and prayer services.

 

FM
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Mara:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by Mara:

 Not  withstanding the  habitual  intransigencies of  the two dinosaurs,  this is indde a damning indictment against  the   executives  and  leadership  of  the   AFC. I  suspect there  is  more  than  meet  the  eyes here.  Councillor Haseef Yusuf may  very  well  be  the  manchurian  candidate or an  opportunist  that  was  enticed  back within  the  fold of  the PPP with  a  generous  dispensation  of  milk. On  the  other  hand,  it  could  be   just an  internal squabble   or  a clash  of  personality  that  were addressed  in  an  adequate and  timely   manner and  was  allowed  to fester and   get  out  of  hand. In  any  event,  the  leadership, and   specifically  Ramjattan, as  Chairman  of  the  party cannot  escape responsibility here.  Perhaps an  excellent example of  A Stitch  In  Time  Saves Nine.

I am not inclined as the original poster did to immediately indict he AFC, try them and convict them. Given the source and the strategy of the PPP to rake muck at every instance does incline one to take any reporting from them beyond natural prudence.

 

Indeed if one takes care of the little things the big things fall into place. But if the ones pointing to the little things is the PPP I would be wise to look for a better source.

 

I  would  tend  to  agree  with  you  here.  However,  the  AFC being  touted  as  the winds  of  change cannot afford  these boo- boos. It  is  not  like   Ramjattan  and  Nagamottoo  are  green horn. They  are  seasoned  politiians.

 

As  an  aside, I  have  it  from  usually  reliable inside  source that  some  of  the  very issues ( puffiness,  false  pride and arrogance),  that  have alienated the  PPP from  its traditional  support  base, have  also  shown  its  ugly  head within  the  leadership  of  the  AFC. 

Mara,

 

One can only imagine how this have affected many including myself. For me, the AFC was supposed to represent a party of change to watch over politicians who would want to cross the line.

 

The PPP was dealt a serious lesson at the elections and the AFC has now joined the club. 

 

I always insisted that Gerhard should have been a part the AFC top brass but he was shoved aside.

 

It is still not too late for the young Gerhard to seek his own fortunes.

 and  I  am  partly agreement with  you  here.  As  I have  stated  earlier,  the  AFC  is  supposed  to  represent  the  wind  of change   in   Guyana's  politics and  can  ill  afford  controversies of  this  nature,  and  the  longer  they  take  to  respond ( in  every available fora) the  more  currency is  lost. However, Storm  pointed out,  and given  the  nature  of  cut throat politics at  play,  I  believe  it may  be  a bit  premature for  final judgement.

 

Regarding  Gerhard, while  he  may  not  be  in  Parliament, I  believe  he  is  a senior  executive  of  the  party and  does  play  a  meaningful  role  in its  daily  operation. 

FM
Originally Posted by yuji22:

One can only imagine how this have affected many including myself.


For me, the AFC was supposed to represent a party of change to watch over politicians who would want to cross the line.

Change for what, with the current individuals and activities in 2012?

FM

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