We need zoning laws. The APNU should hire Errol as a consultant on how to deal with these city planning issues

Ah well no votes from these folks in 2020.  There might well be hope for the PPP.

The PPP will never treat the citizenry like combatants.  Jagdeo needs to go there and demand they be protected and treated with respect!

caribny posted:

Ah well no votes from these folks in 2020.  There might well be hope for the PPP.

Not so fast, Blacks have been known to endure punishment from their handlers as long as he is a fellow Black.  Look how they suffer under Burnham but yet continue to support him.  I applaud the PNC for moving on the vendors to clean up the place.  The fact that there are so many vendors for such a small country is indicative of a lack of opportunities elsewhere in the the economy. A failure by the PNC after one year in govt?

I do feel sorry for these vendors. The city should sit down and negotiate with these vendors. They are decent and hardworking Guyanese and have families and bills to pay.

The gov't. should replace them with vending machines and hire them to maintain those same machines and collect the cash. 

If you never see man run down Lamaha and Water Streets with a vending machine on their shoulder you would see it. 

ba$eman posted:

The PPP will never treat the citizenry like combatants.  Jagdeo needs to go there and demand they be protected and treated with respect!

I do recall that Ramotar shot down black people in cold blood in Linden, and fired rounds of tear gas into a crowd of old ladies and kids in G/town.  The tear gas blew into a school, creating a medical problem.

You were screaming that these were savages who deserved to be shot in cold blood.

Drugb posted:

.  The fact that there are so many vendors for such a small country is indicative of a lack of opportunities elsewhere in the the economy. .

Correct.  These vendors have been there since 1994.

caribny posted:

Drugb posted:

.  The fact that there are so many vendors for such a small country is indicative of a lack of opportunities elsewhere in the the economy. .

Correct.  These vendors have been there since 1994.

Again, what is your beloved PNC doing to afford them opportunities.  During PPP time there were lots of opportunity in the sugar cane, farming, mining and timber industry but vendors chose the easiest path of sitting and selling which was made possible due to a robust PPP economy. Now they are sucking salt with hard times under the PnC.

President Granger urges swift relocation of Stabroek vendors

In wake of yesterday’s meeting between City Hall and the vendors of the Stabroek Market Square area, President

President Granger urges City Hall to be urgent in relocating Stabroek Market vendors.

David Granger has called on the Mayor and City Council of Georgetown to hasten efforts to prepare and provide an alternative location for the vendors, who have been removed from the Stabroek Market Square.
“I deeply regret that there has been some delay between the removal of the vendors, the cleaning up of the square and the resettlement. I would urge the City Council to hasten the resettlement and ensure that every legitimate vendor is given a place to conduct his or her business in a lawful and more sanitary manner,” President Granger said.
The President said that he supported the clean-up efforts. He noted that while there were some ‘hiccups’, he is satisfied that the vendors were consulted and informed about the move.
“Again, I’d like to urge that the City Council pay attention to the humanitarian side of the cleaning campaign and to make sure that the vendors know what is in store for them.
“I am satisfied that prior to the move the vendors were consulted and the only disappointment is that the City Council was not able to deliver the promises on time. But from what I can see, they’re working.”
He noted that the Stabroek Square is a public area and citizens of Georgetown or any visitor must be given free access to public places, without fear.
“Over a period of years the use of that public place has degenerated. It became very unsanitary. There’s evidence that a lot of unlawful practices were conducted there. I support the work of the Mayor and City Council to rectify the public area and to put vending on a more orderly footing.
“This city has to be cleaned and when you look at the conditions that existed in what used to be called ‘Jurassic Park’, nobody had said that Stabroek square did not have to be cleaned up.
“What I would say is let us work together with the City Council to ensure that the vendors are properly accommodated so that they can pursue their economic activities in a legitimate and orderly manner.”
In light of the fact that for the moment only those vending around the Stabroek Market Square are required to move while those in the disputed Water Street area are not being relocated he stated; “I don’t know about the use of the word unfair.
“What I know is that Stabroek Square is a public place and I support the efforts of the City Council over the last seven months or so to clean up all public squares.
“Everything cannot be done simultaneously. Things are being done in a sequential manner. I do believe that the feeling in the population at large is that they’re doing a job which needs to be done.”
The President said that it is his expectation that Georgetown will be a healthier, more aesthetically pleasing place at the end of the clean-up efforts.

Did the protest outside his office, caused him to buckle?

This is just a temporary reprieve, they will send them back to Stabroek once the 50th sport is complete. They don't have any other choice as land in Guyana is scare and the vendors will get better business near the car parks where the pedestrian traffic flow. 

Drugb posted:

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Again, what is your beloved PNC doing to afford them opportunities.  During PPP time there were lots of opportunity in the sugar cane, farming, mining and timber industry ..

And those industries were in existence in 1932 when my father was in primary school.

Your point?

caribny posted:

Drugb posted:

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Again, what is your beloved PNC doing to afford them opportunities.  During PPP time there were lots of opportunity in the sugar cane, farming, mining and timber industry ..

And those industries were in existence in 1932 when my father was in primary school.

Your point?

The PNC are good at killing off industry and jobs but not at replacing with suitable opportunities.  All they know how to share out is public sector jobs, they don't have a clue about private sector opportunities which is really the economic engine of any nation.  Why haven't you advised the PNC on how to make Guyana successful, you had all the answers when PPP were in power but now cat gat your tongue. 

Drugb posted:

caribny posted:

Drugb posted:

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Again, what is your beloved PNC doing to afford them opportunities.  During PPP time there were lots of opportunity in the sugar cane, farming, mining and timber industry ..

And those industries were in existence in 1932 when my father was in primary school.

Your point?

The PNC are good at killing off industry.

Really?  All of those 1932 industries are very much in existence.  The manufacturing sector is smaller now than it used to be, with the PPP favoring the Chinese with their cheap imports.

You attempt to make the PPP look as if they were transformative is really a futile act.  

Where are all the hordes of eco tourists and cruise ships that they boasted that they were going to get?  What of Buddies, which was going to make G/town into the gambling capital of the Caribbean?

Just the same old industries, except they are in dire shape now that preferential pricing has ended.

caribny posted:

You attempt to make the PPP look as if they were transformative is really a futile act.  

Where are all the hordes of eco tourists and cruise ships that they boasted that they were going to get?  What of Buddies, which was going to make G/town into the gambling capital of the Caribbean?

Just the same old industries, except they are in dire shape now that preferential pricing has ended.

They just killed off more rice and sugar jobs with the Wales and Venezuela fiasco.  

I am not here to defend past PPP ineffectiveness. They were given a reprieve by soaring gold prices, sweet deal with Venezuela for rice and confidence shown by the business community. 

But the PNC have a golden opportunity to show what they can do as they have none of the above buffers. You had all the answers while PPP were in power, where are all your brilliant ideas now to move the nation forward? Or are you a consummate complainer with no solutions regardless of who is in power?

Drugb posted:

caribny posted:

Ah well no votes from these folks in 2020.  There might well be hope for the PPP.

Not so fast, Blacks have been known to endure punishment from their handlers as long as he is a fellow Black.  Look how they suffer under Burnham but yet continue to support him.  I applaud the PNC for moving on the vendors to clean up the place.  The fact that there are so many vendors for such a small country is indicative of a lack of opportunities elsewhere in the the economy. A failure by the PNC after one year in govt?

These people only became vendors after the election. Man oh man, you truly  are a stupid person as another poster mentioned earlier.

cain posted:

Drugb posted:

caribny posted:

Ah well no votes from these folks in 2020.  There might well be hope for the PPP.

Not so fast, Blacks have been known to endure punishment from their handlers as long as he is a fellow Black.  Look how they suffer under Burnham but yet continue to support him.  I applaud the PNC for moving on the vendors to clean up the place.  The fact that there are so many vendors for such a small country is indicative of a lack of opportunities elsewhere in the the economy. A failure by the PNC after one year in govt?

These people only became vendors after the election. Man oh man, you truly  are a stupid person as another poster mentioned earlier.

Are you daft man? They remained vendors even under the PNC who claimed to have all the answers for Guyana.  In Guyana pavement vending is one of the easier way of earning a living compared to the alternative, cutting cane, agriculture or learning a trade.  The AFC/PNC promised these people jobs but did not deliver after 1 year.

Drugb posted:

 

They just killed off more rice and sugar jobs with the Wales and Venezuela fiasco.  

 

The PPP was going to shut down Wales, and had already shut down other Demerara estates. Venezuela had already stated that they were going to switch to Uruguay as a source of rice, as they were cheaper.

The PPP failed to transform Guyana's economy by diversifying beyond sugar, and assisting the rice industry to be more competitive.  Brazil is a huge importer of rice.  How come Guyana doesn't sell to that country?  Because we are NOT competitive!

Look at Venezuela, now collapsing to Haiti style poverty, and you think that they could afford to over pay for rice indefinitely?  Venezuela now is where Guyana was in the early 80s.

Druggie you are an idiot, so you don't understand a simple concept. If one gov't leaves the country in a mess, its replacement cannot wave a magic wand and solve it.

Drugb posted:

.  The AFC/PNC promised these people jobs but did not deliver after 1 year.

In 23 years the PPP didn't deliver jobs, and stupid you thinks that APNU/AFC could do so in one year?

Under the PPP Guyanese were fleeing to every island with a landing strip, in order to survive. Whole villages saw the departure of a major part of their adult population.

caribny posted:

 

 

The PPP was going to shut down Wales, and had already shut down other Demerara estates. Venezuela had already stated that they were going to switch to Uruguay as a source of rice, as they were cheaper.

The PPP failed to transform Guyana's economy by diversifying beyond sugar, and assisting the rice industry to be more competitive.  Brazil is a huge importer of rice.  How come Guyana doesn't sell to that country?  Because we are NOT competitive!

Look at Venezuela, now collapsing to Haiti style poverty, and you think that they could afford to over pay for rice indefinitely?  Venezuela now is where Guyana was in the early 80s.

Druggie you are an idiot, so you don't understand a simple concept. If one gov't leaves the country in a mess, its replacement cannot wave a magic wand and solve it.

Not to make excuses for the PPP, however there was no need for them to make drastic changes in the direction of the economy as the tipover point was not reached as we currently see under the PNC. It is now their job to take the next step. PPP had Gold, Rice and Expats to prop them up. Now the bottom has dropped out from under the PNC boys, they have no solution. Please inform them of your brilliant ideas to turn Guyana into the next Singapore as you postulated during the PPP years. 

Drugb posted:

 

Not to make excuses for the PPP, however there was no need for them to make drastic changes in the direction of the economy as the tipover point was not reached as we currently see under the PNC. It is now their job to take the next step. PPP had Gold, Rice and Expats to prop them up. Now the bottom has dropped out from under the PNC boys, they have no solution. Please inform them of your brilliant ideas to turn Guyana into the next Singapore as you postulated during the PPP years. 

Daily you show that you are an idiot.

1.  It was during the PPP era that the EU announced that they would no longer be offering preferential prices for sugar, and that prices will eventually be no more than world prices. They offered funds to transition away from sugar.

Clearly the PPP should have used this to make the industry more efficient, or to gradually phase it out, or to reduce its scale, and emphasize other forms of agriculture.

They did none of it, instead invested loads into Skeldon, and we have seen Guysuco becoming more and more unviable as their costs soared. 

In fact in May 2015 Guysuco announced that its situation was so dire that it couldn't make payroll, and that some of its suppliers were refusing to sell them goods or services!  This is despite the fact that in the previous 10 years 1/2 BILLION US dollars had been poured into that company! 

APNU AFC had a matter of days to stave off Guysuco's collapse, with THOUSANDS of workers not being paid.

2.  Rice had a similar problem with EU access. Instead of focusing on making the industry more efficient, so that Guyana could compete in the large rice markets which exist in the Americas, the PPP decided to put it in the hands of a nation which claims 2/3 of its territory, and could hold Guyana hostage at any point.

3.  Guyana has remained a low wage economy, with high unemployment.  Starting in 2000 hordes of PPP began to flock to other parts of the Caribbean, involving themselves mainly in low wage jobs. 

So seriously.  Why do you pretend as if the problem only began since May?  I do know that APNU AFC aren't the sharpest knives in the draw, and I doubt their capacity to transform the economy, but please don't be a dishonest idiot and pretend as if what they left was a healthy economy.

Mr Granger got four more years, four more years in there to do nonsense. If he wants to go back in there, he got to help us,” another young mother told this publication.
“Last year, time like this, we were protesting to get Carol Sooba out, for him to get in. But look is same thing, same thing. No difference. He tell us he got a place for us to sell, but I want to know where this place is. Up to now I aint see no place for us to sell,” another man

SAME SHIT BUT DIFFERENT DAYS, The majority of the vendors are Blacks, they have become an eye sore over the years, not paying taxes or rent, but pollute the place with garbage.