Your relative was Richard Khan right?  He was killed in May in Wismar.

Agree with Sachin.

 

Why are we talking about Sun Chapman now?  Green already got highest national award for that.

 

WE want to move forward with National and Racial Unity.  We have to rescue the Accord, and make sure the Coalition survives.  Let's focus on these issues.

 

Let the Coalition demonstrate a new politics of inclusion, diversity and sensitivity to all needs and interests.

Pure unadulterated bullshit. Carib has stated numerous times that both sides are to blame. You're just another operator come here lecturing ahwe about race relations when you have interest in ROAR who only a decade or so ago wanted to partition Guyana along racial lines and banish black and douglas in favor of alyuh Hindutva. You think people hay stupid, eh?

 

 

Those killings were revenge for the killings of black people by the PYO.

 

Jump up and down and scream but the PYO was as violent as the Hammie Green led YSM.  The are EQUALLY drenched in the blood of innocent Guyanese.

You sound like Al Sharpton.   You been to his school?  You know Al is a corrupt criminal, right?  Revenge killings! Bai haul your ass dat side.

Caribny, how did the dynamite get in the engine room?  A coolie man boarded a black man boat and put it there?

Don't worry.  These people want the following.

 

1.  Continued Indian domination of Guyana, which by the way Moses hasn't stated that he wants.  Moses understands what entering into a coalition means, and is attempting to build bridges and develop trust.

 

2.  Jay claims that the PPP was more diverse, even when it was pointed out that EFFECTIVE leadership remained in Indian hands, with blacks, aside from Benn and Luncheon, having no power.  Of the 15 cabinet members and the 3 leadership figures in the Presidency,  ONLY 50% are African.......this despite the overwhelming dominance of Africans in the coalition support base. THAT is diversity.

 

Jay refuses to discuss what he means by diversity,  But what he means is

 

1.  Moses becoming the dominant leader with Granger becoming a Sam Hinds type figure head.  This because he cannot abide any entity not controlled by Indians.

 

2.  He wants the Indo AFC faction to dominate leadership, pushing aside APNU and the non Indian segment of the AFC.  So 50% of the top leadership NOT being African doesn't meet his needs.

 

He cheekily doesn't fully disclose what he wants, but rather pretends that you, me and redux demand exclusion of Indians, when we have said no such thing.  And in fact I have pointed out that ONLY 50% of the leadership is African.

 

Jay we have seen the cards in your hand. Yes those where you demand continued Indo monopoly of power  in Guyana.

Why do you think that this is impossible?  Why would a white man doing so be more plausible than an Indian? 

 

The PYO planted the bomb as both they and the YSM engaged in savagery. Its a pity that you continue in your "black man baaad, Indo good".  Didn't May 11th not indicate to you that this approach no longer works?

And VVP continues his rant about the savage African committing bloodthirsty acts against the poor innocent Indian who didn't also instigate and retaliate.

 

I suggest that you read Odeen Ishmael where he claims that BOTH Indians and Africans engaged in revenge killings and that BOTH INNOCENT Indians and Africans suffered as a result.

 

There are NO INNOCENT RACES here.  Now I know that in your head any time Indians are accused of any wrong, even when Africans are accused of similar wrongs, such is considered racist.

 

Because you want to peddle the myth of the GOOD Indian and the BAD black.

I ain't taking side you are the one who defends "Revenge Killings."  Shame on you.

Here is some history from Odeen Article:

On 6 July, a passenger launch, the “Sun Chapman”, was blown up in an explosion on the Demerara River not far from the Wismar-Mackenzie area. The launch was returning from Georgetown and at least 38 persons, all African residents of the Wismar-Mackenzie area, died in the mishap. When the news of the explosion reached the community, Indians who had returned to work at Mackenzie were brutally attacked with the result that five of them died.

 

There were counter accusations as to what caused the explosion. PNC supporters claimed that a bomb was placed by PPP agents on the launch when it was in Georgetown; while PPP supporters claimed that the launch was transporting explosives to make bombs to attack Indians and their property. A subsequent police investigation could not determine what device caused the explosion and who was to blame.

 

BUT OF COURSE CARIBNY KNOWS WHO DID IT.  Didn't they say PPP supporters burn down Mr. Kublall's house in Sophia after the May 11 elections also.

 

If Africans keep defending crimes committed by Africans there will be no progress in Guyana.

Obviously you do not read what I write here or you are just wicked as Al Sharpton.  I never said Indians are all good.  I always blame them for most of the corruption in Guyana.

And this is the thrust.

 

VVP and his merry and of Indo racists continue to peddle the myth of the Good Indian and the Bad African and then  demand that Africans should accept this.  When we refuse to then you call us racist.

 

VVP let me say this.  Until BOTH Indians and Africans admit the role that BOTH played and accept that BOTH have suffered Guyana has no where to do.

 

But you blame Africans ONLY!

 

 

Even Itaname had to point out that I always blame BOTH.  Your problem is that you want me to blame Africans ONLY.  No I will NOT do that!

 

Indians played as much a role in all of this as have Africans and need to accept their responsibility for this, as they demand that Africans do!

 

 

As to the police report.   How many of the numerous bombings which occurred in that period were properly investigated with the people punished.  Do you think that Janet wanted the activities of the PYO to be exposed?

 

The PYO had the motive to plant the bomb and that is a FACT!  And this was NOT the only incident involving PYO savagery!

Banna you never cease to amaze me.  Who were the police in those day?  You think Janet had any real power to subvert an investigation?  Your ignorance is very visible.  Carry on Al Sharpton.

 

BTW Hammie had reasons to try to take explosive to Linden also.  Don't give me that shit about explosives being available in the White man McKenzie at that time because of the bauxite industry.

So you know that Hammie Green took explosives out to McKenzie?  Show us the police report?

 

Think of this.  If Burnham controlled the TOP RANKS of the police force, the one's responsible for the report, then why wouldn't he have blamed the PYO? 

 

The top ranks were appointed by the British colonial authorities and Janet would have had more input, as the de facto head of Guyana (her husband was a hen pecked man he did nothing when Burnham and Janet were having fun with each other, before the break up).

 

Burnham controlled the LOWER ranks.

 

Do you not think that the British authorities did NOT want to cast blame on either side, as they knew that this would lead to revenge attacks, so they squashed it.  That investigation was not done seriously, and this is a known fact.

 

 

 

As to your nonsense of the explosives.  The white man didn't do work in the hot sun, nor did he engage in dangerous tasks.  The people who would hav e been responsible for placing the explosives, and risking injury if they made a mistake, WOULD HAVE BEEN BLACKS.  So what would have prevented some one from gradually siphoning off small amounts of explosives?

 

Any way your GOOD Indo, BAD black man rant has me amused, and makes my point about people like you.

 

ONLY Hammie was a bad man, no one in the PYO!

Where did I defend the PYO?  I know there were radical elements in the PYO my brother was one but he never killed anyone.  You buddy Freddie was also in the PYO talk to him.  

Your entire rant is a defense of the PYO.  BOTH the YSM and the PYO engaged in savagery, yet you only blame Hammie Green.

 

Hammie Green was a demon and he had his equivalent within the PYO.

 

So why your rant that Africans have to admit when you only begin to admit the PYO weren't saints.  Bet you will not admit that they were no better than Hammie and the rest of the YSM.

 

Your brother was part of a terrorist organization.

 

Freddie has already admitted the role of the PPP in Guyanese racism and was sued by Jagdeo.  Nigel Hughes DEFENDED him, and made additional comments about Jagdeo being a racist.

More History for Caribny from a report that Odeen was the editor:

 

INTRODUCTORY NOTE - by Editor
The Report of the Wismar, Christianburg, Mackenzie Commission, termed the "Wismar Report", was the result of the enquiry of a Commission appointed in
September 1964 by the Governor of British Guiana, Sir Richard Luyt. It was given the task to investigate the causes of the racial violence on 25 May
1964 by Africans against the minority East Indian population residing in Wismar, Christianburg and Mackenzie, the bauxite mining communities in the
upper Demerara River, 65 miles south of Georgetown. In the course of these attacks, a number of Indians were murdered, scores of others brutally
beaten and injured, and women and girls publicly raped. These violent acts were accompanied by large scale arson which saw the destruction of more
than 200 houses and business places owned by Indians.
Very little was done by the Police and the British Guiana Volunteer Force to protect the East Indian population at those locations, and it was not until a
contingent of British soldiers arrived on the scene late in the evening that there was an ease in the attacks. More than 3000 East Indians were, within a
few days after, evacuated by the security forces from the area and taken to Georgetown. Most of them, soon after, re -settled in the coastal villages,
but a small number, probably feeling satisfied that the presence of British troops in the area assured a state of security, decided to return to the area to
continue their employment in the bauxite industry.
The members of the Commission concluded that the disturbances were politically and racially inspired. They noted that "the thorough destruction of East
Indian property, and the fact that the security forces were in no case able to apprehend arsonists, force us to conclude that the destruction . . . . was
organised, and well organised".

 

In the aftermath of these horrible occurrences, Mrs. Janet Jagan, the Minister of Home Affairs, tendered her resignation from her ministerial post. She cited the non-cooperation of the Commissioner of Police who refused to obey her instructions given early on the afternoon of 25 May for reinforcements, including British troops, to be sent to the area to protect life and property. Mrs. Jagan's statement in the Senate on 1 June 1964 explaining the
reasons for her resignation accompanies the Wismar Report.
But despite the presence of British troops in the area, a state of violence broke out again on the evening of 6 July 1964 when a passenger launch, the
Sun Chapman, travelling on the Demerara River from Georgetown to Mackenzie was completely destroyed by a huge explosion not far from its
destination. More than 36 persons, all Africans, died in this mishap. When the news of this incident reached Mackenzie, many Africans there, assuming
that the launch was bombed by Indians, became highly enraged, and in acts of reprisal, they brutally attacked Indians in the town. Five of them died as
a result while many others were suffered injuries. Some of these Indians were among those who returned to the area believing that their security was
guaranteed by the presence of the British soldiers. The medical officer of the Mackenzie Hospital, Dr. C. Davies-Webb, wrote a report in his
medical journal about the Sun Chapman explosion giving details of the attacks that occurred later that evening.

 

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Janet Jagan was NOT the Minister when the five innocent Indians were murdered in McKenzie in July 1964.

 

What did Janet Jagan do to reign in PYO violence.  NOTHING.  She played a very partisan role in all of this, and so wasn't taking seriously by the British colonial administration.

 

 

Why don't you dig out the report where the PPP were indicted for instigating violence in 1964?  That is if you are so interested in this ancient history.

 

All I need to know is that BOTH Africans and Indians instigated in racial violence, retaliated against racial violence and INNOCENT people from BOTH communities suffered.

 

Now continue on with your GOOD Indian, BAD black man distortion of Guyanese history.

When I said my brother was a radical I meant he was one of the Indians who was not ready to take the shit from Burnham...although he eventually went to work for Burnham.  It is still unclear to me why he went to work for Burnham.  At one point I think he said something to the effect that people like him and Ranji Chandisingh were trying to clean up the PNC from the inside.  Another time he claimed he worked for Rodney.   I am only saying this now because he is dead and cannot be harmed anymore.

 

Anyway, my radical brother went to Cheddi Jagan and asked for Cheddi help for him and other to get training in Cuba so they could fight to overthrow Burnham.  Cheddi castigated him for even thinking about a violent revolution.  This is a FACT that my brother told me directly.  My brother even went so far as to get permission from my mother to fight and die in a revolution.  People who think that Indans are weak should think again.  Some are but not all.

The myth of the weak Indian comes from people like you who insist on the BAAD black man, GOOD Indian mythology.  That certainly was NOT what Africans thought of Indians in the 60s civil war.  This is Janet crying victim, and refusing responsibility for the role that the PPP played in the violence.

And where the saying comes from that "Indians are too weak to be in the Army" where??  I applied to join the GDF and was shown the door just at the interview.  Maybe they knew who my brother was because he was still a PPP at the time.

PPP.  They were in power for 23 years and yet Indians still didn't join.

 

You can blame Burnham anti Indian racism for their failure to join between 1966 and 1992, but what about AFTER then?

 

You cannot peddle the weak Indo myth, and then scream when even Indians begin to think that this is true.

Cheddi sent some guys to Cuba and Mexico to train in guerrilla warfare under Che Guevara, Fidel, etc. in the event of a revolution. Some are still alive and post here occasionally. These are Guyana's quiet, unsung heroes living lives of anonymity but have full military training. I've seen pictures of them in full uniform with Fidel and Che.

There are a lot of liars around that pretend to be "fighters."  Cheddi was never interested in an armed revolution.  Che never trained any Guyanese.  I think a few went for training to be bodyguards for Cheddi that was it.

The PPP had its share of bombers and bad men.  I met some of those guys over the years and I can say they can hold their own against anyone. Looks can be very deceiving.  

No one ever looked to see if that bomb may have been put there by elements in the United Force party.

May 24, 1964, the Son Chapman ferried a mob of murderers from Georgetown. They were riled up by speeches of Burnham's henchmen about East Indians presence in Wismar. Kill them, Rape them-one dead East Indian is one less in British Guiana.

 

And the mob hit the mooring dock at Wismar. It was rampage. Even though the decent Black people in Wismar tried to stop the carnage. It was useless. But they did the best they could to save some. It was like the Jews in Hitler's Third Reich.  

 

July 4, 1964. The Son Chapman went up in pieces.

 

Perhaps, that PNC supporter should know it was dangerous to transport dynamite in the engine room.

 

Well, what can be said, "evil begets evil." 

 

East Indians are not terrorists. CBJ was a peaceful man-he doan even harm a fly that bothered him. 

This is the 21th century Signet. Hate the koolie politics will not be tolerated any more. That is why we should get a country of our own.

Not a few, VVP. And not for bodyguard training alone. Shortly after the 1959 Cuban Revolution, in the early 1960s, some PYO guys went to Cuba and got military training. I joined the PPP/PYO in 1969 and met some of them. They used to regale me and others with accounts of those trips. I will name only two for now. A dark skin Indian guy named Ram who left the PPP in the mid-1970s and drove a hire car on the EBD route. A fair skin black guy named Mitchell who was in the Georgetown PPP Group in which I served as secretary for 6-7 years in the 1980s. Fidel and Che visited the training centres where those guys were barracked.

 

So what was the purpose of the training?  Preparing for a revolution that never happened?  My brother knew the people who were trained.  From what he told me it was not Guerrilla training.  Just bodyguard and use of weapons for defense.  I saw one of then in a fight at Barr and Alexander after an accident between a car and Bus.  I think his name was Bhola.  The black guy(bus driver) got a trashing but then a mob attacked Bhola and he had to leave the scene.  

@VVP, here is an excerpt from a Stabroek News editorial of December 27, 2002. As far as I know, the PPP never wrote and objected to the references to the PYO.

QUOTE: "Cheddi Jagan entered office in 1957, two years before the triumph of Fidel Castro's Revolution in 1959, and proceeded to forge a friendship between Guyana and Cuba that alarmed Brazil and Venezuela, aggravating Guyana's frontier and territorial problems and angering the UK and the USA. All of these countries saw Guyana as a Cuban surrogate and this perception contributed to Guyana's problems in the region. The Guyana-Cuba connection also disrupted internal politics leading, eventually, to Jagan's fall from office in 1964.

There is credible evidence that the relations between the PPP and Cuba in the first half of the 1960s was a factor in Venezuela's decision to reopen the territorial controversy, placing it before the UN in 1962, partly out of its fears that Cuba would use Guyanese territory to support communist insurgency there. Internally, the PPP newspaper, the Mirror, was started in 1962 with a press acquired from Cuba and scores of PYO members were sent to Cuba where, among other things, they received military training with discarded Batista-era weapons. Even after leaving office, Dr Jagan's attendance at the January 1966 Tri-Continental Conference, and his endorsement of the 'Declaration of Havana', considered at that time the manifesto for communist revolution in Latin America and the Caribbean, raised hackles at home and abroad."

Scores of PYO members sent for military training?  I never heard this before.  

Some of those men and women are still alive and in Guyana so it is best not to name them on a public forum.

I read Che's Guerrilla Warfare also 

The guy I talked about was identified by members of the mob as Cheddi's bodyguard.  He was well known to them.  I was right there from blows one.  I lived only couple houses from that corner. 

The UF would not have placed a bomb in a boat packed with PNC supporters, given the tenuous relationship between the 2 parties.

 

The PPP bombed black people in retaliation for some acts committed by the PNC.  The PNC retaliated against the Sun Chapman with the second anti Indian attacks.  The first occurred when an elderly black couple was killed.

 

The PPP can pretend to be angels, but those who are honest know better.

The received the same training that communist paramilitaries received all over Latin America as part of the USA USSR Cold War.

 

Quit being stupid.

Bai go put on something decent nah.

 

 

I see abbe erstwhile MPA Tung Coolie is down to vulgar pics of random poor Black people to make a point.

More of that suave sophisticated Ghargetung culture I hear so much about

Don't worry with him.  When folks become vulgar they have signaled that they have lost the argument, and cannot defend their points.