APNU+AFC, There are Traitors on Board – Examine their Horns!

Do you know if the agouti lost it's tail yet or about to lose it's tail?

The PPP/C is rich and can afford to hire moles and Agents Provacateur. APNU+AFC needs to be very careful. The PPP has yet to come up with a draft copy of a manifesto.

They have to do some editing and grammar. Otherwise, it is a decent working document.

Why the APNU+AFC quarreling on this document so much.  It look very good to me.  PRESS ON!

Logging, Mining, Transparency, Awarding of Contracts, Contingency Funds.... missing.

Some constructive criticism is warranted.

APNU+AFC needs to tighten its security.

Also, its manifesto-drafting team needs to buckle up and finish the job ASAP.

APNU+AFC cannot afford this sort of embarrassment 17 days before the election.

Clearly the APNU+AFC and PPP have gross disrespect for the Guyanese people by waiting this late to release their documents. 

For the intellectual few in Guyana, people want to measure them by public policy, not race or emotions.

I know for sure they have lost some youths because of the late release. Don't underestimate the small percentage who actually will form decisions on it. It will matter in a tight election. The manifesto should have been out 6 weeks ago.

Better late than never.

I do not want to hear details. I want to know the scope and  logging and mining has to be there. Reform of how money gets into the contingency funds and is removed. No ministry should retain funds and budget funds for spending except as it is approved by parliament and comes from the contingency funds.

Agree with TK here.  This is gross eye pass.

If they cannot rule by public policies, what will they rule by?  RACE?

while i agree that the Coalition is slack for not getting the manifesto out weeks ago, i have nothing but contempt for any "youths" AFC-APNU may have "lost" as a consequence

in an election that turns crucially on moral fitness, criminality and commitment to democracy, these kinds of people are posers and were never the Coalition's in the 1st place!! IMHO

I mentioned that on the Board some days ago that the Coalition's campaign apparatus is compromised by traitors who prefer some fast cash to an uncertain election victory.

The premature release of the campaign manifesto is probably the least of the damage inflicted so far on the Coalition by its own.

I am actually more worried about traitors on election day allowing the PPP to commit fraud, and signing off on bogus statements of poll. One cannot contest the results of the reps from the parties signed off on the results.

As to manifestos.  APNU AFC and the PPP will pursue the same economic strategies.  Both have the potential to be corrupt, the PPP already displaying this.

There are two reasons why APNU AFC needs to win.

1.  After 22 years of rule even the best people become arrogant and corrupt.  They also become entrenched and their ability to corrupt civi societies becomes chronic. Does Urling support the PPP because he thinks that they are better. Or is it that he feels that they are too entrenched to be defeated and he needs to be on the winning team, and he will allowed to be as he has something to offer the PPP.

2.  Face it the AFC is Indo Party II.  Folks can jump up and down and scream at this, but it is what it is.  The old AFC of 2006 is very weak and it has now been taken over by Nagamootoo and his followers.

The good news about this is that it means that some sort of system of controls against complete ethnic dominance is in place.  The PNC cannot replace an Indian dominated system of ethnic exclusion with an African system of ethnic exclusion.  This because if Nagamootoo's base is excluded they can withdraw their support which will automatically force elections.  Given that APNU will want to remain in power it will have to dialogue with the AFC.

There is no mechanism in place to force the PPP to be ethnically inclusive.  It will continue to exclude most non Indians, keeping a few blacks like Urling in trivial roles where they will serve as window dressing, to create the illusion of inclusion. 

So folks can write what they wish on their manifestoes.  Given that there is virtually no ideological difference between the two entities contesting the elections (both neo liberal with a veneer of "working class sentiments"), ideology isn't going to be the reason why one will vote for one vs. the other.

i'm assuming that you have this dispositive information that levels the playing field (somewhat?) within a few keystrokes

remind (a somewhat curious me) again why you have not shared with the Opposition?

If indeed the release is leaked by unknown individual(s), it shows gross incompetence of the PNC cum AFC to even control ts personal affairs.

Also in this regard, how can the PNC cum AFC be considered competent to manage the affairs of a government.

It was reported long ago that the PPP was attempting to rig the election.  Their plans were to;

1.  depress the vote through buying ID cards in PNC areas

2.  bribe APNU AFC officials so that they will ignore blatant rigging by the PPP and to sign inaccurate statements of poll.

And other plans which you are aware of.

So what is your response to Shaitaan all about?  If APNU AFC don't have a plan to deal with possible treachery within their ranks then they deserve to lose.

Well we already know how incompetent the PPP is given that they have made  mess of just about everything under their control.

The Opposition is already quite aware of the PPP's drive to corrupt their campaign apparatus.

And like me, they can't point fingers to individuals. Short of water boarding their campaign officials, I don't know how you identify and them out.

Or it could have been a deliberate leak.

I would have to disagree with you there. I don't think any moral blame attaches to APNU AFC here. Responsibility perhaps. But not blame. Political parties should not have to worry about the impact of bribed election agents.

so, you actually have no real (specific) knowledge beyond what we all already know is afoot, ok

stop pretending otherwise then

It cannot be a deliberate leak because that is clearly an unfinished document.

I read it before it was rubbished as a leak and was surprised at some conflicting proposals.

It's like a cut and paste job yet to be fully harmonized into an elegant work product. Or at least coherent.

Also a possibility. In any case, it is an issue directly for the PNC cum AFC to face.

Why would anyone tell me the names of specific individuals within APNU AFC who are compromised?

I wouldn't even ask. Not my place. I don't need to know so I don't know.

I think it was clever to leak deliberately.

I agree. One of your more lucid posts I can readily co-sign.

CaribJ: "The good news about this is that it means that some sort of system of controls against complete ethnic dominance is in place.  The PNC cannot replace an Indian dominated system of ethnic exclusion with an African system of ethnic exclusion.  This because if Nagamootoo's base is excluded they can withdraw their support which will automatically force elections.  Given that APNU will want to remain in power it will have to dialogue with the AFC."

That point should be plastered all over Guyana. I am not hearing them talking about it in great detail.

the coalition is not a gangster party like the PPP with omerta and death squads to enforce discipline

it's one of the burdens you bear in an organization striving to be open and accommodating to all

despite sullen types like u jeering in the background, this too will pass

the arc of history history bending towards justice, and all that

Screaming that they lost because the PPP rigged, when all statements of poll show, as signed by all parties, a PPP victory, will make APNU AFC foolish.  Jimmy Carter will tell them exactly that if they appeal to him.

APNU AFC will need to ensure that all ballots are kept secure at all times.  That only people on this list vote ONCE, that statements of poll are correct. And that especial scrutiny will employed where private (PPP) homes are used as polling stations.

 They already know that bribes will be handed out.  Both to officials and to voters.  Running to Jimmy with unverified claims will make them look stupid.

thanks so much Captain Obvious

That actually happened already (documented even by David Hinds). In 2001, the PPP just canvassed ROAR votes as PPP votes so many Statements of Poll were corrupted. They were even so blatant that the home villages of ROAR officials recorded zero ROAR votes.

The U.S. Ambassador at the time called in ROAR for a meeting and successfully plied Ravi Dev with false promises to get him to endorse the results and not utter a word about rigging. Ravi complied so as to not give tinder to potential PNC violent street protests.

Even in 2011, the PPP had roving bands of PYO cretins voting twice at selected poll sites. I don't know  by how much but it's possible that the Opposition won 1-2 seats more than they were actually alotted.

So you would rather traitors sell out to the PPP and the PPP wins.

Then you will go hollering to Daddy Jim, wailing that "the PPP isn't playing fair".  All he will do is suggest that APNU AFC should have had proper controls in place and that if their OWN officials sold them out then there isn't much that any one can do.

So I guess you will be happy with the moral fact of knowing that the PPP only won because it rigged the election in a crafty manner with the corrupt connivance of a few APNU AFC officials.

I already see you running to Daddy Jimmy wailing that "the PPP isn't playing fair" if they craftily rigged the election with the corrupt cooperation of certain "APNU AFC" creatures.

Highlighted part in blue is incorrect and without any basis within the constitution and operations of the government.

1. Should the PNC cum AFC win the election, David Granger will become the president.

2. It is the President who appoints the Prime Minister and other members of the cabinet.

3. The AFC members of this merger absolutely have no power to withdraw from the government, hence causing an election or forcing the PNC from being in power.

4. PNC do not have to dialogue with the AFC to remain in power.

5. Should David Granger becomes the President, he can replace any or all members of the AFC with individuals of his-Granger's choice.

i live, work and vote in New York . . . save your sullenness for idiots who care to suck thumbs with u, arite?

you are a rale klown if that's your takeaway

your thumb still tasty? i stopped sucking mine at age 4

DG unless you are assuming that the coalition will get 45 seats the coalition government can be ended by the mere fact that AFC exits.  They will have  12 seats in a coalition gov't (less clear if they will have this if the PPP wins). 

Given that the PPP will most likely have more seats than APNU will have once the 12 seats are taken from the coalition gov't, clearly there will be an immediate MONC, followed by an election, both of which APNU will lose.

Nagamootooo has been assigned certainly responsibilities. Again if Granger reneges than Nagamootoo walks with his 12 seats.

So Nagamootoo isn't defenseless even though the President has final say.  that final say will not be that which will destroy a coalition gov't.  Granger isn't a stupid man.

Please describe to me exactly what controls does the PPP have to assure Africans that the current Indo domination under the PPP will not continue.

I expect you to claim that this question is irrelevant!

Oh and thanks for admitting that Rohee can immediately dump Harper as PM and put in Jagdeo instead.  Is that what the plans are?