Originally Posted by Gilbakka:

 If they aren't leaked before May 11, President Granger will release them ASAP.

That's a highly inaccurate title for the Leader of the Opposition in the Eleventh Parliament.

If you think that only Indians are leaving the country, then think again.

The afro population also shrinks. Only the Amerindians increased in population.

As illogical as it sounds it is something called "fear" - fear of the PNC wrapped in an APNU alliance with the AFC as a junior partner.

It's Fear, Stupid!

Voters.......they don't spend time pontificating about liberal democracy. That is a middle class hobby of the diaspora.

This is so numbingly true.

I don't know why the overseas Indian and Black middle class always think they share the same magically complex and nuanced worldview of the ordinary Guyanese. Especially for the Indians for whom the choice of PPP vs. PNC is not at all complex and I would even venture to say "rational" in a Guyanese context.

Let's appropriate Howard Bloom's Luciferian Principle and apply it to Guyanese politics.

I disagree with you that the AFC made a big blunder- By joining the PNC the AFC is avoiding the inevitable shame and humiliation at the poll. PPP 55 percent……

The new party has to show they are not as the PPP shows them to be...an old party from donkey years ago...just as the PPP is not the same party as donkey years ago.

If I was django I'd come over deh and beat yo rass up for calling big man names, yeh.

I see the Auntyman Cavalry have arrived to backup the Gold Teet Brigade

When you don't have constructive criticism, you do nonsensical and childish things, sponty.

This is some Funny SHIT. Who came up with dat???

another idiot as urself

Kari..is a smart boy "Fear" is Stupid!

Admin please allow me this..Today is nagamotoo kangan...lawa

You better worry about de kangan lawa all yuh gat wid Joe Hamilton, Kwame and dat ****er odinga lumumba.

Will Priya and Jaya be doing arti on those ****ers are mandir today?

Mek sure all a dem coolie gyal in de PPP touch dem rapists foot right?

Like when Bill Clinton said - it's the Economy, Stupid. The "Stupid" is an exhortation to himself. Was he the one to have coined that phrase?

What you will have to do is to suggest that a PNC government is going to handle the sugar industry better.  I don't think people would care about corrupt crony capitalism if they felt economically secure, so don't think that you can over come 54 years of fear/hatred towards the PNC with that.

Those are tactics that would have worked with an independent AFC.

Nagamootoo has to prove

1.  Granger is a nice man, like a demon like most rural Indians think of the PNC.

2. Nagamootoo will play a pivotal role enabling him to protect them against the more hard line PNC activists.

This is what its all about.  The rest is chatter for the intellectual class.

And all of this is subject to approval by Granger.   The AFC is responsible to recommend lots of things for review by Granger.  In addition mots cabinet positions will be APNU, as will be most MP slots.

APNU wasn't going to give away the house to the AFC and risk having people like Solomon and Kissoon riling up the masses.

You are a truly simple person if you think that if the alliance ends up with 28 seats, 26 from PNC strongholds, that they are going to cede almost half of them to the AFC.  You are dumb to think that APNU MPs are going to give up their seats to a little party which didn't deliver votes from the PPP strongholds.

I can't remember the last time I saw so much delusion in one political campaign.

To think that the AFC has just been "guaranteed" 12 seats borders on lunacy. The AFC is guaranteed only what can be attributed to it's efforts.

This is not even some promisory note. It's an "abbe guh see bai" to a wuk now/pay lata arrangement dependent on the Employer's goodwill.

I read what Granger said as reported in KN. He did NOT promise 12 seats win, lose or draw.  He promised 12 seats in the government, the implication being that the deal is only relevant should the coalition win.

In addition the PM will have the responsibility of recommending the selection Ministers and providing the organizational structures for approval by the President.  Other appointments will be "in consultation".

While Nagamootoo might be able to spin this in PPP strongholds, if he is aggressive enough, let us not fool ourselves that he will be a power independent of the President.

If the coalition wins the deal will hold, that is until APNU decides that it shouldn't.

The question for the AFC is what happens should the coalition lose.  Granger didn't address that in his comments to KN.

I don't expect to see Nagamootoo in G/town until May 12th.  He will have to walk all over regions 2-6, and also in regions 1, 8, and 9 to sell his message.

Keep stirring your racist pile of shit there, hopefully you build a castle by the end of the day Carib.....

HM_Redux notable that you don't say a thing to Kari, Shaitaan and the many others who are convinced that this is a bad move.

Is it that you are engaging in your own RACIAL attack only because you know full well the high risk maneuver made by Nagamootoo will back fire.

You no what you are like a monkey flinging dung. At some point you just get boring.

Caribny is not stirring any piles of racist anything. He is offering a frank, clear, and lengthy explanation as to why many of us (Shaitaan included) think this is just a bad idea from almost any direction viewed.

I can even live with this abundantly flawed document vis a vis governance. However, this is still DOA because it is political nonstarter in Guyana in to reasonably ask Indian people to vote PNC in a general election. I just don't see how this can be successful. For the same reasons I wouldn't dream of asking Black people to vote PPP/C.

Dude, I would like to find a compelling argument to make to the Indians to vote against the PPP/C this year. I can't think of one now. My intellect has its limits. This agreement strains my capacity for political creativity/strategery while still remaining grounded in reality.

Some of you appear to have intellects which suffer no similar impairments.

Where is this one suppose to Go?

Not so fast, sponty. That's a no-ball.

Dr Rupert Roopnarine could be the next Minister of Education. He will do far better than Priya Manickchand.

Roopnarine allegedly played a very important role in APNU improving its position in 2011, because Granger isn't a good campaigner.

I will hope that he will play a role in this 25% probable APNU/AFC govt.

Carib, the PPPites tried divide-and-rule tactics to thwart the APNU-AFC unity talks. Now that a deal has been signed, PPPites are still feverishly fomenting discontent in the opposition ranks. I'm not aware that Dr Roopnarine has complained to anyone in the PPP that he is "clean bowled" as sponty wants people to believe.

I do not know why that influences the potential for change in a negative way. It is only these parties clamoring for change not the PPP. The problem of three different vision versus two means you have better nor lesser chance.

This is supposedly the totals from the census. If it is then it is clear the PPP are up shit's creek. Indians no longer control the political space. Amerinds have also have a diminished role

If we are speaking of mutual fears driving the electorates then there is a 49% of blacks plus self identified mixed who would be voting against the PPP with a split of the Amerindian votes. They PPP cannot win if they have to leech 14% from the other side. They have a larger potential for leakage since the young people may break ranks and they are not going to the PPP. This is a difficult one for the PPP to win from even the most favorable perspective to them.

The question is if the voting population have matured to this position. If the AFC's showing in the last two elections tell us anything, it is that voters may be opened to change but does so very cautiously. The majority of the AFC votes came from the race of the presidential candidate. Now that the candidate is Granger are we to expect Indians to support the AFC like they did in 2011 or 2006?

It would indeed be a breakthrough in Guyanese politics if it happens. That is for sure. 

From the views of some political pundits,

indos population is around the same,PPP

will have a tough time to win this election.

PPP will lose the elections. Period.

Why? Because of all the 15 y/o mixed kids and unregistered Amerindians?

The Indian population is a good deal higher among the registered voters than it is among the population at large.

If they AFC and APNU fool themselves that a 60% non Indian identified population means an easy victory they are being very foolish, and deserve to lose.

Stormy should start a thread with data,pin

it to top and let the guys and gals have a

field day with their predictions.

I did not take "maturity" into consideration. I am saying that the if each side votes race the PPP loses. If there is any rational decision making the PPP lose. It is a difficult one for them when their natural base  is also their ceiling and that base is now 39%

Stormy, there is no equivalence to general population census regarding racial composition and registered voters by race. Further there is no equivalence between registered voters by race and voting for race-based parties - meaning that while some Blacks and mixed may vote PPP, practically no Indians will vote APNU-AFC believing it to be PNC.

The APNU/AFC have the backing of the ABC nations who have always been leery of the PPP given their stupidity in not voting present in specific issues but actually voting against issues crucial to the western community.