Rose Hall Residents, sugar workers unite in massive protest

Indo Guyanes rose up against AFC/PNC racist policies. This is only the beginning.

Liar Moses told them that Rose Hall Estate will not close and Snake Granger is pushing ahead with it's closure.

Will Dead Meat Moses have any Ball* to stand up to Snake Granger ? This is Moses moment to save face.

Will Guyana be divided along racial lines as a result of Granger's PNC racist policies ?

Is this the tip of the iceberg ?

Will this emerging Dictatorship be stopped ?

People are fed up, they are angry. A hungry man is an angry man.

The people need to fight back, but they have to join forces.  The issues facing the sugar workers or anyone in one area or sector affects everyone.  The people in GT, Ebo, etc need to bring the nation to a stand still until the PNC come to their senses!

I am convinced, Sugar is not loss-making in the larger sense.  This is a means t "skin a cat", achieve ethnic cleansing thru economic deprivation and blame it on altered facts an simplistic justification.

Anyway, that all from me this morn, until tonight!  I need to earn a living!

Sugar workers will stand up to the PNC and need to keep the pressure on them. I can see 20,000 of them headed to parliament, Granger and his racist administration will have to face sugar workers who might even bring the country to a standstill.

It will make international headlines.

When no concrete effort  is being made for the workers after the factory is closed, then  its time for a national strike.

The national strike in the 1960's was effective.  A  strike where those in government are experiencing similar  hardships like the sugar workers, they might come up with a better plan  to look after the workers, or tremendous hardships will be experienced.

I believe sugar should be restructured, but a better plan should be implemented for the workers to transfer  their labour, with no significant loss of income.

It is very disappointing that AFC ministers, who receive large support from Berbice  have remained silent on this issue. They will not be very popular in their home county, especially at the next election.

These people are coasting to a healthy pension and seem to care little for the ordinary person.

If you listen to the Namakaram Crabdaag anf the drunk Ramjhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaatan during campaigning you will know that they are BEASTS of the worst kind. Those PIECES OF RAW SEWAGE are a Cancer to humanity!!!

ba$eman posted:

The people need to fight back, but they have to join forces.  .!

And I thought that Indians were these "hard working" people who could survive through all.

At least this was your boast when I had told you that selling Guysuco would result in the same problem that shutting down Guymine did create.

Maybe you all should have joined the bauxite workers when they complained of their plight, but instead your attitude has set a precedent.

Tola posted:

When no concrete effort  is being made for the workers after the factory is closed, then  its time for a national strike.

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When 80% of the bauxite workers lost their jobs you didn't think that that merited a national strike.

No you screamed "blackman lazy".

Amazing when the shoe is on the other foot how you squeal.

And what evidence do you have that the AFC did well in Berbice in 2015. In fact they didn't . I guess you know that New Amsterdam exists and there are other localities with black populations in Berbice. Take the black/mixed population and this conforms to the APNU/AFC vote.  The PPP won back the votes that they lost in 2011.

caribny posted:

Tola posted:

When no concrete effort  is being made for the workers after the factory is closed, then  its time for a national strike.

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When 80% of the bauxite workers lost their jobs you didn't think that that merited a national strike.

No you screamed "blackman lazy".

Amazing when the shoe is on the other foot how you squeal.

Bauxite was lying down on its face during the Hoyte years. The PPP brought Rusal which helped bring back some lost jobs not mention most of the lotto funds went to Linden and zero for PPP strongholds in places like Berbice.  The AFC capitalized on this and stole thousands of votes from those areas.

Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

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Bauxite was lying down on its face during the Hoyte years...

As is sugar now so if selling Guymine made sense so does selling Guysuco. Problem is that sugar is so far gone that no one seems to want it!

Had you all racists sympathized with bauxite workers instead of screaming "black man lazy" maybe you wouldn't have this predicament now. The PPP set a precedent with Guymine and now APNU does the same with Guysuco. 

If Guysuco is so valuable why don't Jagdeo and his friends buy it out? Urge the gov't to sell to them for one dollar the estates that they plan to shut down. They don't because they know that sugar is past its time.

Here is Ralph Ramkarran's view on sugar and bauxite in 2009:

Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

. The question was not whether bauxite was too big to fail. It was whether bauxite could have been saved as a state owned enterprise. The answer was no.

And now sugar cannot be saved as a state owned enterprise. If the bauxite workers were Indian and the sugar workers black your views would have been the opposite.

Also do yourself a favor and divide GY$500 million by 200 and compare this to the massive subsidies that Guysuco gets.  And add also debt assumed by Guysuco and guaranteed by the gov't.  Sugar workers get way more support than do bauxite workers!

Also reopening the Skeldon debate is embarrassing for the PPP as they were warned against more investment in sugar, given the loss of EU subsidies and the fact that Guyana couldn't compete.

In fact the PPP should have used funds received by the EU to wean Guyana away from sugar into other forms of agriculture, and could have begun to lease lands to sugar workers and assist them into developing alternate crops. But it arrogantly ploughed into Skeldon and now Guysuco is basically insolvent.

It was the PPP which began to close down estates and factories and long ago announced that Demerara operations would have been terminated and Berbice focused around the Skeldon factory.

"The Skeldon Factory was designed to produce sugar at US12 cents a pound. The world price is now US22 cents a pound. This might not be sustained over time. But hopefully, the bulk of Guyana’s sugar sold outside of its traditional markets will be sold in added value form at far higher prices than the world market."

Did the white Elephant Skeldon ever produce sugar at the price??

Jagdeo was propping up the PPP major support base,pumping billions of dollars in the Sugar Industry,while the other half of the population had to bear the brunt.

caribny posted:

Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

. The question was not whether bauxite was too big to fail. It was whether bauxite could have been saved as a state owned enterprise. The answer was no.

And now sugar cannot be saved as a state owned enterprise. If the bauxite workers were Indian and the sugar workers black your views would have been the opposite.

Also do yourself a favor and divide GY$500 million by 200 and compare this to the massive subsidies that Guysuco gets.  And add also debt assumed by Guysuco and guaranteed by the gov't.  Sugar workers get way more support than do bauxite workers!

Have you chaps forgot about the sugar levy LFS Burnham placed on Guysuco? Lindeners receiving free electricity.  3 billion for their pension funds plus other resources allocated to the Linden

Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

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Have you chaps forgot about the sugar levy LFS Burnham placed on Guysuco? Lindeners receiving free electricity.  3 billion for their pension funds plus other resources allocated to the Linden

So shut down Guysuco and give sugar workers cheap electricity. I bet you they will still bawl and scream "black man a starve ahbe."

caribny posted:

Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

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Have you chaps forgot about the sugar levy LFS Burnham placed on Guysuco? Lindeners receiving free electricity.  3 billion for their pension funds plus other resources allocated to the Linden

So shut down Guysuco and give sugar workers cheap electricity. I bet you they will still bawl and scream "black man a starve ahbe."

And the sugar workers will also get their pension funds, and this in addition to the fact that tax payers have directly or indirectly subsidized Guysuco at the rate of US$800 million over the past 10 years.

Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

caribny posted:

Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

. The question was not whether bauxite was too big to fail. It was whether bauxite could have been saved as a state owned enterprise. The answer was no.

And now sugar cannot be saved as a state owned enterprise. If the bauxite workers were Indian and the sugar workers black your views would have been the opposite.

Also do yourself a favor and divide GY$500 million by 200 and compare this to the massive subsidies that Guysuco gets.  And add also debt assumed by Guysuco and guaranteed by the gov't.  Sugar workers get way more support than do bauxite workers!

Have you chaps forgot about the sugar levy LFS Burnham placed on Guysuco? Lindeners receiving free electricity.  3 billion for their pension funds plus other resources allocated to the Linden

Django, Mars, Carib and the rest of the Slop Can Porters, please take note.

Prashad supports the struggle of GAWU brothers and sisters fight to protect their basic human and economic rights from racist anti-koolie hate.

skeldon_man posted:

Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

caribny posted:

Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

. The question was not whether bauxite was too big to fail. It was whether bauxite could have been saved as a state owned enterprise. The answer was no.

And now sugar cannot be saved as a state owned enterprise. If the bauxite workers were Indian and the sugar workers black your views would have been the opposite.

Also do yourself a favor and divide GY$500 million by 200 and compare this to the massive subsidies that Guysuco gets.  And add also debt assumed by Guysuco and guaranteed by the gov't.  Sugar workers get way more support than do bauxite workers!

Have you chaps forgot about the sugar levy LFS Burnham placed on Guysuco? Lindeners receiving free electricity.  3 billion for their pension funds plus other resources allocated to the Linden

Django, Mars, Carib and the rest of the Slop Can Porters, please take note.

Porters carry the Piss Pot, that would be you and your crew.

Tola posted:

When no concrete effort  is being made for the workers after the factory is closed, then  its time for a national strike.

The national strike in the 1960's was effective.  A  strike where those in government are experiencing similar  hardships like the sugar workers, they might come up with a better plan  to look after the workers, or tremendous hardships will be experienced.

I believe sugar should be restructured, but a better plan should be implemented for the workers to transfer  their labour, with no significant loss of income.

It is very disappointing that AFC ministers, who receive large support from Berbice  have remained silent on this issue. They will not be very popular in their home county, especially at the next election.

These people are coasting to a healthy pension and seem to care little for the ordinary person.

AFC/PNC better walk carefully on the closing of sugar estates. It could bring down their government. Like everything else, the AFC/PNC remain clueless.

Moses and Ramjattan have Trump cards but they are so blinded by personal greed that they do not know when to play them. 

skeldon_man posted:

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Django, Mars, Carib and the rest of the Slop Can Porters, please take note.

Guysuco sugar workers also have their state supported pension funds.
 I suggest that Guysuco be sold and sugar workers get cheap electricity.

Now will you accept this or will you still scream "black man a starve ahbe".

caribny posted:

Tola posted:

When no concrete effort  is being made for the workers after the factory is closed, then  its time for a national strike.

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When 80% of the bauxite workers lost their jobs you didn't think that that merited a national strike.

No you screamed "blackman lazy".

Amazing when the shoe is on the other foot how you squeal.

And what evidence do you have that the AFC did well in Berbice in 2015. In fact they didn't . I guess you know that New Amsterdam exists and there are other localities with black populations in Berbice. Take the black/mixed population and this conforms to the APNU/AFC vote.  The PPP won back the votes that they lost in 2011.

As long as you people keep bring hateful black-man vs hateful Indians into every discussion, Guyana will continue to deteriorate for everyone.  

Tola posted:

caribny posted:

Tola posted:

When no concrete effort  is being made for the workers after the factory is closed, then  its time for a national strike.

.

When 80% of the bauxite workers lost their jobs you didn't think that that merited a national strike.

No you screamed "blackman lazy".

Amazing when the shoe is on the other foot how you squeal.

And what evidence do you have that the AFC did well in Berbice in 2015. In fact they didn't . I guess you know that New Amsterdam exists and there are other localities with black populations in Berbice. Take the black/mixed population and this conforms to the APNU/AFC vote.  The PPP won back the votes that they lost in 2011.

As long as you people keep bring hateful black-man vs hateful Indians into every discussion, Guyana will continue to deteriorate for everyone.  

Carib represents the mind set of the PNC.  Just like the PNC top brass, they are now questioning the AFC contribution to the last election results. 

This tells me that they have no regard for Moses and Ramjattan who are now PNC's new foot rags.

yuji22 posted:

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Moses and Ramjattan have Trump cards but they are so blinded by personal greed that they do not know when to play them. 

The reason why the AFC Indo faction are ignored is that they brought in very few votes. In fact this is what you all screamed in 2015.

So in what way is the coalition gov't jeopardized.  I will argue that its their overall inept and unimaginative governance and belief that oil will cure all ills that will be the real threat. This because their own base will stay home in 2020.

Tola posted:

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As long as you people keep bring hateful black-man vs hateful Indians into every discussion, Guyana will continue to deteriorate for everyone.  

I see so it wasn't hateful when the Indo population showed absolutely no sympathy for the plight of the bauxite workers and in fact cheered when the police mowed them down a few years ago.

Always interesting that these kumbaya calls only come up when  Indians are suffering, and yet rejected when its the blacks who felt the pain.

yuji22 posted:

. they are now questioning the AFC contribution to the last .

I say no more than you did when you boasted that Moses got no votes in his village in 2015.

Yuji, the usual feed dem and then dem bore hole pun yuh plate,

caribny posted:

yuji22 posted:

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Moses and Ramjattan have Trump cards but they are so blinded by personal greed that they do not know when to play them. 

This because their own base will stay home in 2020.

I have to agree with you on this. Just like how African Americans who were ignored and many stayed home and did not deliver a victory to Hillary.

The problem though is that we will be going around in a big cycle of Blacks vs Indos again. It has to end at some point in time.

Guyana needs a truth commission for the PPP and PNC to spill their guts and let the country move forward. It worked in South Africa, why not Guyana ?

We need to stop fighting and pressuring both the PPP and PNC to end this race based politics.

Nehru posted:

Yuji, the usual feed dem and then dem bore hole pun yuh plate,

History is repeating itself. PNC does it again, this time the the AFC. 

It will NOT work in Guyana as long as there are the caribjs, Ts and Hinds of the World!!ACRIA IS WORST that Ian Smith!!

caribny posted:

yuji22 posted:

. they are now questioning the AFC contribution to the last .

I say no more than you did when you boasted that Moses got no votes in his village in 2015.

Just to clarify, are you saying that Moses did not contribute to the last election results for APNU ?

Nehru posted:

It will NOT work in Guyana as long as there are the caribjs, Ts and Hinds of the World!!ACRIA IS WORST that Ian Smith!!

Bhai,

I have to agree with you. Many of us want an end to this race based politics but the PNC with their old school politicians and the likes of Carib and others are holding back Guyana from moving forward.

yuji22 posted:

Tola posted:

When no concrete effort  is being made for the workers after the factory is closed, then  its time for a national strike.

The national strike in the 1960's was effective.  A  strike where those in government are experiencing similar  hardships like the sugar workers, they might come up with a better plan  to look after the workers, or tremendous hardships will be experienced.

I believe sugar should be restructured, but a better plan should be implemented for the workers to transfer  their labour, with no significant loss of income.

It is very disappointing that AFC ministers, who receive large support from Berbice  have remained silent on this issue. They will not be very popular in their home county, especially at the next election.

These people are coasting to a healthy pension and seem to care little for the ordinary person.

AFC/PNC better walk carefully on the closing of sugar estates. It could bring down their government. Like everything else, the AFC/PNC remain clueless.

Moses and Ramjattan have Trump cards but they are so blinded by personal greed that they do not know when to play them. 

god you dumb 

Nehru posted:

It will NOT work in Guyana as long as there are the caribjs, Ts and Hinds of the World!!ACRIA IS WORST that Ian Smith!!

nobody in guyana will hire a drunking bat

Warria, please stan easy when big men are talking. Please stop attempting to derail this thread. This discussion is beyond your scope.

yuji22 posted:

Warria, please stan easy when big men are talking.

you full of shit all ways posting things that makes no sense i do not know how i will learn anything from GNI

yuji22 posted:

Warria, please stan easy when big men are talking. Please stop attempting to derail this thread. This discussion is beyond your scope.

yuji22 posted:

yuji22 posted:

Warria, please stan easy when big men are talking. Please stop attempting to derail this thread. This discussion is beyond your scope.

 

okay bro you win i read what you post i will start drink like nehru