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[Baytoram Ramharack, Jung Bahadur Singh of Guyana (1886-1956): Politician, ship doctor, labor leader and protector of Indians, San Juan, Chakra Press, 2019. 378 pages]

Dr. Baytoram Ramharack’s earlier biography of Balram Singh Rai treats the political life of an outstanding Guyanese villager who, in 1961, became Guyana’s first Minister of Home Affairs, with responsibility for Police.  Rai’s formal parliamentary life began in 1957 and ended in 1962, when he lost favor with the ruling Peoples Progressive Party.  The 1957 elections were the first to be held in the country after the suspension of the Constitution in 1953, during which period Guyana was governed directly by the Governor, who passed laws through a hand-picked Interim legislature.  The present biography of Jung Bahadur Singh will take readers back to a parliamentary life that ended dramatically with the 1953 General Elections. Fortunately, it is not one based in narrow political activity, but one that was engaged on various fronts in a wider and deeper striving for human dignity and, in particular, the dignity of indentured immigrant workers and their families and other Guyanese.

Jung Bahadur Singh was born in 1886 at Goed Fortuin in West Demerara into a large household that had sprung from a union of Christians and Hindus.  Although he belonged to a kind of underclass as a child of indentured labourers, the peculiar circumstances of Indian indenture allowed his marriage to be a prestigious event, taking place, as it did, in Paramaribo at the premises of the high-ranking Indian Immigration representative.

This review will differ from the typical writing of Indian history, or African, or indigenous history in Guyana, as it will introduce into the text glimpses of the complexities that have developed within the bosom of plantation society, well-known for its segregated spaces and for the despotic control exercised over it by a tiny white minority, able to rely on state power.

Jung Bahadur’s father was one of those individuals who could exploit gaps in the social setting and carve out a way of life which was not typical for the body of indentured workers.  He became a tailor with his own sewing machines and, in time, he had established a line of product which he distributed over wide stretches of the country.  The young child, Jung, attended an Anglican primary school and later a famous village school.  Already influences, other than those of his Hindu tradition were at play, contributing even in minor ways to the person Jung Bahadur was to become.  Taking his family history into account, it is not surprising that the youth was among the highly select minority to be engaged by compounders on ships plying between India and a number of colonial plantation countries in some three oceans to supply indentured labor to countries like Mauritius, Fiji, Surinam and British Guiana.  This was a highly valuable experience for one who carried in his line names like Deenanath (defender of the poor), and was finally named after a significant historical figure.

The author notes that, as an employee in the compounding or sick-nursing services of these ships, Jung Bahadur came face-to-face with substandard arrangements for women on these vessels and with the physical indignities to which many of them were exposed.  A sensitive mind could not fail to be impressed by such experiences and we can be excused for assuming that they played a part in his development as a social and political man of action.

Although Indian indenture ended in 1917, this reviewer, not yet born in that year, knew in his boyhood at least two sick-nurse dispensers that had served as compounders on immigrant ships.  The route by which Jung Bahadur Singh moved from compounder assistant to compounder in his own right, and from compounder to doctor of medicine is noteworthy.  He stayed on the ships for 12 years until the age of 28, when he ended his career as compounder.  During his long breaks between trips on shore in Calcutta, the young nurse and apprentice dispenser wisely chose to enroll for pre-medical studies in Calcutta schools, courses which allowed him, it is assumed, to meet the requirements for enrollment in medical school in the University of Edinburgh, Scotland.  The author notes that university education was for foreigners more affordable in Edinburgh than in London.  This fact of affordability explains part of the biography of Guyanese like Dr. Frank Williams (MD) and H.H. Nicholson, multi-disciplined scientist, who both studied in Edinburgh.  Both Jung Bahadur Singh and (decades later) Frank Williams had moved with their small families to Scotland for the duration of their student days there. Having qualified as a medical doctor, Singh returned to the land of his birth and, from all the records, began a life of purposeful activity that contributed to many changes for the better in the lives of Indians and other members of the various communities in which he chose to be active.  He worked as a GMO and, as part of this function, he had much to do with the upgrading of services in the hospitals on sugar estates, which he covered.  GMOs in those years were each assigned to a large district, which often contained their own clinics with Notice Boards and included plantation-owned hospitals, which the GMO supervised.  Residents along the routes covered by the GMO knew how to secure a visit from the doctor by raising a small flag of a given color on the parapet to attract the doctor’s attention.  Much can be said about the rich interchange of trained sick-nurses, dispensers and midwives that took place between villages, sugar estates and other settled communities.  Outside of Georgetown, New Amsterdam, Suddie and other towns, the GMO would have a settled residence in a big house in a village where the GMO would be at the disposal of patients.

Dr. Singh, who is described as always having an interest in Hindu culture and religion following his preferred expressions of these, soon became involved in the newly formed British Guiana East Indian Association (BGEIA).  The BGEIA was devoted to all-round improvement in the lives of Indians and had its parallel among Africans in the British Guiana Negro Progress Convention.

Dr. J.B. Singh served six terms as president of the BGEIA and was elected for a 7th term, which he did not serve.  Of the numerous issues agitated and pursued by the BGEIA, this review will treat only three; namely, the Indian Colonization Scheme, the Swettenham Circular and voting rights, as documented in the Franchise Commission Report (1944).

In 1931, Dr. J.B. Singh became the first Hindu to be elected to the colony’s legislative council.  The first Indian so elected was Mr. E.A. Luckhoo, representing New Amsterdam, where, significantly, Indians were a minority on the voters’ list.  Dr. Singh was one of those change makers who, as Dr. Kimani Nehusi observed, were active both in race-based organizations and in organizations of a multi-ethnic membership.

Before leaving for medical studies abroad, Singh had been a student for two years (1898 – 1900) at A.A. Thorne’s Middle School, which Ramharack describes as the first co-educational school in British Guiana.  This was another example of his nurturing towards being effective in a complex society.

As a member of the country’s law-making body, Singh brought discipline and seriousness to his work, making representations for his constituents and being able to list his successes in his election manifesto in 1953 as improvements in the people’s living conditions.

Although he had been a student in a co-educational school, Singh, under the influence of the traditional family, supported for many years the notorious Swettenham Circular, which modified the 1876 law, making primary education compulsory.  It waived prosecution of Indian parents who prevented their daughters of a certain age from attending school.  The Circular led to the opening of one of the sharpest controversies in education in British Guiana.  The book under review names two leading Indians who kept this debate alive and public.

One was Mr. J.I. Ramphal, who strongly denounced the Circular as harmful to Indian development.  The other was Dr. J.B. Singh, who defended the Circular and saw it as being in harmony with Indian traditions.  After some years, Dr. Singh conceded that holding on to Indian traditions about education of the female would be unhelpful to the Indian section of the population.

Ramharack cites a letter to the editor, written by Singh in 1935, in which Singh, reflecting on the Ruimveldt riots of 1924, expressed the opinion that the British Guiana Labor Union (BGLU), with its predominantly African membership, could not adequately represent Indian sugar workers, a growing majority on the sugar plantations.  Yet, history recalls in many places that the BGLU, in its early days, was the only organization giving effective labor representation to sugar workers.  Such was their satisfaction at that period that they nick-named H.N. Critchlow “Black Crosby”, after an Immigration Agent General, whose service to their cause met the approval of the workers.  Critchlow and Singh were to have another disagreement during the debate in the Legislative Council on the report of a Commission appointed by the Governor to report on changes in the right to vote in general elections.  Critchlow had been a pioneer in the call for adult suffrage, the right of all Guyanese, without exception, to vote at age 21.  However, by the time the Franchise Commission Report came to be debated in 1944, developments had brought about changes in social relationships and perceptions.  These changes affected the race class attitudes of political sectors and some of their representatives.  It appears to this reviewer that one of these developments was the introduction into the political process of what has been called the Indian Colonization Scheme.  The other was the Franchise Commission Report and the debate on it in the Legislative Council.  The two issues were inter-related, although they occupied public attention at different periods of time.

Just about the time Ramharack’s new biography was about to appear on bookshelves, there was a publication in the Guyana newspapers of the reprint of a document with a brief introduction by Dr. Eric Phillips, the chairperson of Guyana’s Reparations Organization.  The document itself included excerpts from British Guiana’s governing organs, recording developments during the time when the Colonization Scheme was being actively pursued.  The excerpts bore the signature of Jonathan Adams of the Reparations group.

Responding to the publication described above, Jung Bahadur Singh’s biographer, in a letter to the editor, directly asked Phillips to explain his “motive” in issuing the publication about issues which Phillips himself had said had not attracted much attention when they were current in the first quarter of the 20th century.  The book under review itself contains evidence that the Colonization Scheme attracted the well-deserved attention in the private and public concerns of the Indian and the African ethnic organizations. The governments of the United Kingdom, India and colonial British Guiana were also actively and openly occupied with the issues.  So also were organizations of the Planter class.  To assume, as has been assumed, that writers of history have ignored the issue and context of the Indian Colonization Scheme is an unfortunate error.  In actual fact, its place in public affairs was so weighty that it led to official delegations being exchanged among Britain, India and British Guiana.  Evidence of this claim is not hard to find.

In this reviewer’s papers to the 1988 International Commemoration Conferences in Georgetown, he explored the effect of the Indian Colonization Scheme on the domestic political situation in British Guiana.  In doing so, he relied partly on a small book by Mrs. Edith Brown, widow of the lawyer, Den Amstel’s A.B. Brown, who was the first African to be elected to British Guiana’s law-making body.  From her book and other sources, it appears that the African organizations did not oppose the Indian Colonization Scheme, but thought to introduce an African Scheme, relying on migrants from Liberia.  The colonial office allowed the Guyanese Indian delegation to visit India, but disallowed the visit of the Guyanese African delegation to Liberia.

Thus, it is clear that inter-ethnic relations in Guyana have never been the results of mature relations among the groups.  They have always been influenced by manipulation by the colonial command, which placed its own interest first.  The author, in his letter referred to above, shows awareness of this Command and must know that it had always been decisive in our affairs.  Even as this is being written, Guyanese political sectors are showing their readiness to invoke, or warn against, geo-political pressures.

In celebration of his remarkable efforts and his dedication to both the race that gave him birth and the country that was his birthplace, let it be said that J.B. Singh found ways of allowing his talents and expertise to serve diverse communities.  This reviewer selects the following examples:

There is the record of the seven times he was elected president of the BGEIA.  He had become a member of the British Guiana Workers’ League.  He became a trustee of the Man Power Citizens’ Association.  He became the first chairman of the multi-ethnic British Guiana Labour Party.  Most significantly, he founded the British Guiana Nurses’ Association.

J.B. Singh’s interest in culture included not only practice of the traditions laid down by Hindu sages and the observers of seasonal and functional rituals.  His conspicuous residence in Lamaha Street, Georgetown became a nursery for the fine arts in Indian idiom and flavor.  His wife was a recognized producer of theatrical works.  His daughter, Rajkumari Singh, despite her disability, has been applauded as an archive and producer of what she proudly called “Coolie Culture”.  The author named three gifted artists, Gora Singh, a dancer, Mahadai Das, a gifted poet, and a novelist, Rooplal Monar.

The author concludes his very timely and instructive biography with a chapter captioned, “The Rise and Fall of Jung Bahadur Singh”.  This title, in the reviewer’s opinion, is misguided.  Since he did not present himself as a man of destiny, but as a qualified human being serving necessary causes, the cliché, “Rise and Fall”, does not fit the case.  Rather, Dr. Singh’s defeat was influenced by the new political process and organization of 1953, which worked in such a way that Singh was defeated at the polls by an unknown, but intelligent, shovel man, Fred Bowman, of the PPP.  While Dr. J.B. Singh practiced a political culture of service in mass organizations, together with working in secret committees as a member of the Governor’s Executive Counsel, the role of the PPP was public exposure.  In the 1953 elections campaign, Dr. Singh’s chief tormentor was Pandit Misir, who regularly exposed Dr. Singh to ridicule by claiming that the member sat on the chairs of the Legislative Counsel uselessly like a “Christmas Father”.  Pandit Misir’s claim to fame was that he organized the Yag at Vreed-N-Hoop to be addressed by Mrs. Janet Jagan, causing her to be charged with a breach of the emergency regulations and jail.  This trial was the occasion of her famous statement about her origins and faith, which has brought criticism to those who have dared to quote it.  During the Yag conducted by Pandit Misir, voices accused the Pandit of reading wrong.

In terms of cultural history and experience, Dr. J.B. Singh, far from rising and falling, was absorbed into the infinite heroically.  His body was the first to be officially granted the rite of cremation, for which Dr. Singh had struggled for decades.

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@Former Member posted:

This is good history boy! We can learn from Dr Baytoram hard work in giving us more perspective. We must not only see history as West on Trial. Very well done to Dr Baytoram.

Have to get a copy . Also read from old documents about Dr.J.B Singh.

Django
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@Former Member posted:

This is good history boy! We can learn from Dr Baytoram hard work in giving us more perspective. We must not only see history as West on Trial. Very well done to Dr Baytoram.

He failed to mention the new kid on the block.

R

This man by all accounts was a proud Indian. Yet in the split between Jagan and Burnham, I believe he sided with Burnham and not Jagan. Was it he or someone else? I think it was him.

His daughter was minister of culture under Burnham and was given the opportunity to preserve and protect Indian culture under BURNHAM. I think she paid a terrible price for it being lambasted by the Indian bigots.

I wish Caribj were here. He would know this stuff.

FM
@Former Member posted:

This man by all accounts was a proud Indian. Yet in the split between Jagan and Burnham, I believe he sided with Burnham and not Jagan. Was it he or someone else? I think it was him.

His daughter was minister of culture under Burnham and was given the opportunity to preserve and protect Indian culture under BURNHAM. I think she paid a terrible price for it being lambasted by the Indian bigots.

I wish Caribj were here. He would know this stuff.

J.B.Singh, grandson (Met him two decades ago) used to post here ,sad the topics are lost from migrating to new discussion platforms. Ramakant can tell of the postings in those days.

Django
@Former Member posted:

This man by all accounts was a proud Indian. Yet in the split between Jagan and Burnham, I believe he sided with Burnham and not Jagan. Was it he or someone else? I think it was him.

His daughter was minister of culture under Burnham and was given the opportunity to preserve and protect Indian culture under BURNHAM. I think she paid a terrible price for it being lambasted by the Indian bigots.

I wish Caribj were here. He would know this stuff.

Nobody can blame Burnham for not reaching out to Indos. Burnham tried. The same cyant be said for Granger and his crew. The problem was Granger is a lazy thinker, not a racist in any shape or form. He thought AFC will do what they have to do to help dem mattie. AFC was only concerned with a few bigwigs, pomp and driving around wid prados. Just like Granger and dem ex-army boys tek over the govt and pushed the sweettalk man Moses and AFC to the side, he needed to mek sure AFC didn't lose dem votes. Granger is not too sharp. Instead he get his boys to try to rig and use up and waste the court's time.

The only thing dat can save them right now is Jaggy/Irfaan greed cause them big mistakes and create an opening, just like dem incompetence opened up up the gate wide, wide, wide,..., for Jaggy and his boys, Middle East and Trini connection and all.

FM
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@Former Member posted:

This man by all accounts was a proud Indian. Yet in the split between Jagan and Burnham, I believe he sided with Burnham and not Jagan. Was it he or someone else? I think it was him.

His daughter was minister of culture under Burnham and was given the opportunity to preserve and protect Indian culture under BURNHAM. I think she paid a terrible price for it being lambasted by the Indian bigots.

I wish Caribj were here. He would know this stuff.

Jai Narine Singh was not his relative.

Rajkumarie Singh yuh talking about, she was related to Jung.

S
@seignet posted:

Jai Narine Singh was not his relative.

Rajkumarie Singh yuh talking about, she was related to Jung.

Yes, I think she was the minister of culture. Her son was a famous dancer and a lot of shows were put on at the Cultural Center. Jung was probably her father.

I think Jung was the one who went with Burnham during the split between Jagan and Burnham. Neither he nor Luckhoo wanted to associate with Jagan. And later on Sidney King, a fierce Jagan and PPP supporter abandoned Jagan too.

It is instructive for the segment of uneducated, genetically racist Indo Guyanese. If Burnham was such an Indian hater, why did a proud Hindu/Indian like Jung join him?

Why did one of the black founding members of the PPP later abandon Jagan? Look to the local elections where this black man, Sidney King, was hung out to dry in favor of Balram Singh Rai. What was King's crime? He was BLACK.

Racist Indians need a lesson in history. This race thing runs deep and the notion that black people simply hated Indians is FALSE. Examine yourselvs and history.

FM
@Former Member posted:

Nobody can blame Burnham for not reaching out to Indos. Burnham tried. The same cyant be said for Granger and his crew. The problem was Granger is a lazy thinker, not a racist in any shape or form. He thought AFC will do what they have to do to help dem mattie. AFC was only concerned with a few bigwigs, pomp and driving around wid prados. Just like Granger and dem ex-army boys tek over the govt and pushed the sweettalk man Moses and AFC to the side, he needed to mek sure AFC didn't lose dem votes. Granger is not too sharp. Instead he get his boys to try to rig and use up and waste the court's time.

The only thing dat can save them right now is Jaggy/Irfaan greed cause them big mistakes and create an opening, just like dem incompetence opened up up the gate wide, wide, wide,..., for Jaggy and his boys, Middle East and Trini connection and all.

I agree Granger needs to step aside. I know he was sick for a while, but even when well he was dull and uninspiring, seemingly lost and unresponsive.

We have not seen the young ones in the PNC come forward. However, we have seen them in the PPP. The Jagans and Moses are gone, replaced by Fat Man and Rat Man and company. And they are all young and we saw what they did in 23 years and thus far, seem to be on the same track. Caveat emptor!

FM
@Django posted:

J.B.Singh, grandson (Met him two decades ago) used to post here ,sad the topics are lost from migrating to new discussion platforms. Ramakant can tell of the postings in those days.

He called himself the Gurkha.

R
@Former Member posted:

Yes, I think she was the minister of culture. Her son was a famous dancer and a lot of shows were put on at the Cultural Center. Jung was probably her father.

I think Jung was the one who went with Burnham during the split between Jagan and Burnham. Neither he nor Luckhoo wanted to associate with Jagan. And later on Sidney King, a fierce Jagan and PPP supporter abandoned Jagan too.

It is instructive for the segment of uneducated, genetically racist Indo Guyanese. If Burnham was such an Indian hater, why did a proud Hindu/Indian like Jung join him?

Why did one of the black founding members of the PPP later abandon Jagan? Look to the local elections where this black man, Sidney King, was hung out to dry in favor of Balram Singh Rai. What was King's crime? He was BLACK.

Racist Indians need a lesson in history. This race thing runs deep and the notion that black people simply hated Indians is FALSE. Examine yourselvs and history.

This Iguana is full of shit. The Jagans hated Rai and his family. They regarded Rai as an East Indian racist. Prashad heard Jagan say that himself. Jagan would never choose Rai over Sidney King.

Prashad
@Prashad posted:

This Iguana is full of shit. The Jagans hated Rai and his family. They regarded Rai as an East Indian racist. Prashad heard Jagan say that himself. Jagan would never choose Rai over Sidney King.

It wasn't Sidney King. It was Brindley Benn. The fight was over the Chairmanship of the party. The Central Committee of the PPP voted for Bindley Benn because Chedi preferred to have a Blackman as the Chairman in orse to appease the blacks in the Party. It was politics all the way, not racism.

R
@Prashad posted:

This Iguana is full of shit. The Jagans hated Rai and his family. They regarded Rai as an East Indian racist. Prashad heard Jagan say that himself. Jagan would never choose Rai over Sidney King.

Stupid man, refer to the 1957 elections for the legislature. Both Sidney King (now Eusi Kwayana) and Rai were PPP members, King a founding member of the Party.

Both ran, Jagan threw his support behind Rai. Why? Indian racism. Not necessarily on Jagan's part, but his closest supporters who preferred Indian nationalism over the work of a loyal black man.It was Jagan who brought Rai to prominence you jackass. He made him Home affairs minister etc. over King.

It was the beginning of the split as blacks, including Burnham, observed the racism of fellow Indian PPPites.

I know what I am talking about because my late father was one of the early PPP folks along with Burnham and Kwayana. We know first hand of the bigotry of folks like you that Jagan tolerated for his own survival.

Ramakant, the incident you refer to was much later in the 60's when Rai challenged Jagan directly via a dispute with Benn.

FM
@Django posted:

Have to get a copy . Also read from old documents about Dr.J.B Singh.

I was one.of his patients as a kid going to QC! He.recommended Sanatogen to help me improve in my studies! That didn't help much! The problem was the school system that expected scholarship.winners to the second.form to know what former first formers already knew! I didn't, and.although my mother paid for.me to get extra help, that didn't help either for the tutor again made the same.mistake! Assuming! Until.a teacher at Claude Vieira"s Cardiff High School showed.me the similarity between arithmetic, which I was good at, and.algebra! I will eternally be.grateful to ol' Fredo, Mr. Fredericks, a.man of ethnic, mostly Afro, heritage!Fredericks

See the repetition above? One of cain's little green men with red eyes did that!

FM
@Former Member posted:

I was one.of his patients as a kid going to QC! He.recommended Sanatogen to help me improve in my studies! That didn't help much! The problem was the school system that expected scholarship.winners to the second.form to know what former first formers already knew! I didn't, and.although my mother paid for.me to get extra help, that didn't help either for the tutor again made the same.mistake! Assuming! Until.a teacher at Claude Vieira"s Cardiff High School showed.me the similarity between arithmetic, which I was good at, and.algebra! I will eternally be.grateful to ol' Fredo, Mr. Fredericks, a.man of ethnic, mostly Afro, heritage!Fredericks

See the repetition above? One of cain's little green men with red eyes did that!

In the late sixties ,we had thick heavy Arithmetic and Algebra text books that are used from form 1 up to GCE "O" Level ,they were red in color ,can't recall the name .I used to study a level higher than my current form.

Django
@Django posted:

In the late sixties ,we had thick heavy Arithmetic and Algebra text books that are used from form 1 up to GCE "O" Level ,they were red in color ,can't recall the name .I used to study a level higher than my current form.

I was.thrown into a different world from public school and floundered all the way through! Fredo was the saviour of my self-esteem!lf-este

FM
@Django posted:

In the late sixties ,we had thick heavy Arithmetic and Algebra text books that are used from form 1 up to GCE "O" Level ,they were red in color ,can't recall the name .I used to study a level higher than my current form.

You had good guidance, I presume! I had beatings! "Why.yuh.kyant lurn!" Blam, with.anythimg at hand! I was frustrating her wanting to escape poverty! My father? Oh, he was living with the young dalit woman he had raped, and who bore him 10 children, and building his fortune to emulate his parents' he.had left behind in India! Nothing must get in the way! When, after examining his papers, I told him that if all those, who had borrowed from him, paid on time the interest.on their loans, he would be.earning more than the Governor, he.was highly pleased and sighed, "An mih pore Injah maan!"

FM
@Former Member posted:

Jai, a scheming.thief and rapist, was JBS' son-in-law!

R u sure?

That fella was Forbes good frien. Forbes challenged CBJ to name him into 1953 Cabinet. CBJ complained he had to sidelined Janet inorder to accomadate Jai Narine Singh. The West on Trial.

S
@Django posted:

In the late sixties ,we had thick heavy Arithmetic and Algebra text books that are used from form 1 up to GCE "O" Level ,they were red in color ,can't recall the name .I used to study a level higher than my current form.

Anybody used Baker and Bourne?

S
@Former Member posted:

You had good guidance, I presume! I had beatings! "Why.yuh.kyant lurn!" Blam, with.anythimg at hand! I was frustrating her wanting to escape poverty! My father? Oh, he was living with the young dalit woman he had raped, and who bore him 10 children, and building his fortune to emulate his parents' he.had left behind in India! Nothing must get in the way! When, after examining his papers, I told him that if all those, who had borrowed from him, paid on time the interest.on their loans, he would be.earning more than the Governor, he.was highly pleased and sighed, "An mih pore Injah maan!"

For rape, he should have been in jail for life.

R
@Django posted:

VPN  hides you .

Really?? I believe they are using Broadband over Power Line, abandoned, but.not by government! So they are in my computer before I even turn it on! Combined with.the ability to see.whatever I do, wherever, whenever, and helped by their Jew liaison from Zionist Israel who controls a familiar spirit.(djinn to Muslims like Ali), unbelieved by scoffers everywhere! Gee, I know now why I've been selected! By God, no less! Why do you think the Arabs can't win against Israel? Their war plans are known before implemented! Why me, God?

FM
@seignet posted:

R u sure?

That fella was Forbes good frien. Forbes challenged CBJ to name him into 1953 Cabinet. CBJ complained he had to sidelined Janet inorder to accomadate Jai Narine Singh. The West on Trial.

I'm only repeating what my.daughter in Guyana told me my half-sister, now a UK lawyer herself, told.her! I wouldn't doubt her because I had seen her in Jai's car, probably his mistress then! I.was shocked! She just smiled! Some dalits can't get away from their heritage!

FM
@Ramakant-P posted:

For rape, he should have been in jail for life.

Should have! But not reported because, as she said, he threatened to kill all her younger siblings! The stupid kunt! If she had told me, I  would have made.sure he.never fked.anyone.else again! Not even himself!

FM
@seignet posted:

R u sure?

That fella was Forbes good frien. Forbes challenged CBJ to name him into 1953 Cabinet. CBJ complained he had to sidelined Janet inorder to accomadate Jai Narine Singh. The West on Trial.

So what? Forbes was, probably, a rapist himself! A fing bully!

FM
@seignet posted:

Anybody used Baker and Bourne?

The names Godfrey & Siddons.mean anything to you? I.was started from Part.II of the fing book, expecting that I.knew Part I! My brain doesn't.work that way and, until.ol' Fredo, I was lost! Still, as my miserly father would say, Gawd wuk!

ALL is experience!

FM
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@Django posted:

In the late sixties ,we had thick heavy Arithmetic and Algebra text books that are used from form 1 up to GCE "O" Level ,they were red in color ,can't recall the name .I used to study a level higher than my current form.

Reading  one of my FB friend post , the Maths Books was mentioned.

(1) New Course in Arithmetic (2) New Course in Algebra (3) New Course in Geometry

By Walker and Millar

51NdMkBVb4L

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@Django posted:

Reading  one of my FB friend post , the Maths Books was mentioned.

(1) New Course in Arithmetic (2) New Course in Algebra (3) New Course in Geometry

By Walker and Millar

51NdMkBVb4L

I remember one of the books was called "Elements of Geometry".

R
@Former Member posted:

The names Godfrey & Siddons.mean anything to you? I.was started from Part.II of the fing book, expecting that I.knew Part I! My brain doesn't.work that way and, until.ol' Fredo, I was lost! Still, as my miserly father would say, Gawd wuk!

ALL is experience!

never saw that one.

on leaving primary school and unable to attend high school due to finances, my parents bought this math book baker and bourne. i was  tasked to study 5 pages every day and solve every problem. the answers at the back was removed. saturdays and sundays were no exceptions.

as a political detainee in 1953, my oldman passed the year doing lots of reading and math solving. the british gave him anything he requested. he learnt to play bridge the card game by cheddie the short time he was detained.

he felt if i could master mathematic it will improve my logics immensely.

logical thinking is a mathematical thing and solution to all lifes issues can be equated. with equations, variables and parameters can be isolated and dealt with.

no body used that math book?

you guys are very young.

S
@Django posted:

Reading  one of my FB friend post , the Maths Books was mentioned.

(1) New Course in Arithmetic (2) New Course in Algebra (3) New Course in Geometry

By Walker and Millar

51NdMkBVb4L

jango, the best.thing I enjoyed at QC was the companionship of my fellow students in the B classes for the not-so-competitive! Each year there were trophies for the.best.and.worst.behaved forms in the school! We always won the worst.trophy! And cheered! To the displeasure of the Principal, Captain Nobbs! He had been a Captain in.WWII!

FM
@seignet posted:

never saw that one.

on leaving primary school and unable to attend high school due to finances, my parents bought this math book baker and bourne. i was  tasked to study 5 pages every day and solve every problem. the answers at the back was removed. saturdays and sundays were no exceptions.

as a political detainee in 1953, my oldman passed the year doing lots of reading and math solving. the british gave him anything he requested. he learnt to play bridge the card game by cheddie the short time he was detained.

he felt if i could master mathematic it will improve my logics immensely.

logical thinking is a mathematical thing and solution to all lifes issues can be equated. with equations, variables and parameters can be isolated and dealt with.

no body used that math book?

you guys are very young.

I think the ability to reason is innate! Mathematics facilitates this! How else can you explain those who are poor.at maths but excellent at finding solusolutions to problems? My.cretin is back.demonstrating his/her idiocy! See solutions above! I think Edward deBono called this lateral thinking! I have some books by him but have been too busy to read them.properly!

You had good parents! I envy you!

FM
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At one school assembly, Nobby told us we had to pick our socks up! So, one of the guys slowly bent down and 'innocently' pulled his socks up, to the laughter of the rest.of us! 'Who, me? What did I do, now?"

FM

Thanks, but I can't read it on my cell phone! Besides, my cell and notebook are both hacked by the cabal!

I take one day at a time, though I find myself, at times, angry at God who sent.me here! Wtf can he do to me except laugh at my temerity? I fear neither God nor man! Never mind the BS artists who tell you that you have to love and fear God! Imfingpossible! Not even if God was.a he, she or fing alien! Like the one in fing Genesis! He and his "us"! See Chapter 3, verse 22! How the fk can you love what you fear? We are spirits.and never die!

FM
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The alien in Genesis fooled and frightened the Jews who, in turn, has everybody fooled! has every

Jesus.was on to.him and called him the devil! See John.8: 44!

That's the real reason they killed him! He was upsetting the liaison between this devil, an alien, and the high priests!

I believe the US DoD is into a relation with him or one of his "us"! Gravity is the main cause of ageing! The device that pulled me down to my driveway was a gravity device! I've had more gray hairs in one fing month than in all of my previous years! So has my daughter! It affects your glandular fluids by drainage!

FM
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Do the fing exercise! Let fools laugh and mock! It also helps slow down the ageing process, which is glandular related! Not stop, but slows down!

FM
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@Former Member posted:

Do the fing exercise! Let fools laugh and mock! It also helps slow down the ageing process, which is glandular related! Not stop, but slows down!

Didn't work for you. The rather large Gucci and Prada bags under your eyes bear that out. Ugly old bytch.

FM
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@seignet posted:

R u sure?

That fella was Forbes good frien. Forbes challenged CBJ to name him into 1953 Cabinet. CBJ complained he had to sidelined Janet inorder to accomadate Jai Narine Singh. The West on Trial.

then it is the Jai Narine guy I am referring to and not JB Singh. Jai was Burnham's friend and followed him away from the PPP.

FM
@Prashad posted:

Prashad was a genuine Guyana dunce man. Math text book was for him to make paper aeroplanes with.

Can't forget also making paper pellets for the sling shot fashioned from a bicycle spoke.

cain
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@Former Member posted:

Thanks, but I can't read it on my cell phone! Besides, my cell and notebook are both hacked by the cabal!

I take one day at a time, though I find myself, at times, angry at God who sent.me here! Wtf can he do to me except laugh at my temerity? I fear neither God nor man! Never mind the BS artists who tell you that you have to love and fear God! Imfingpossible! Not even if God was.a he, she or fing alien! Like the one in fing Genesis! He and his "us"! See Chapter 3, verse 22! How the fk can you love what you fear? We are spirits.and never die!

You read God, I know from what say about Him. A Nigerian Prayer is when the Pastor declares the goodness of God upon the lives of the listeners.

God requires no one to fear Him. The word fear associated with Him is meant to be respect.

S
@seignet posted:

You read God, I know from what say about Him. A Nigerian Prayer is when the Pastor declares the goodness of God upon the lives of the listeners.

God requires no one to fear Him.t The word fear associated with Him is meant to be respect.

Yeah? Whence cometh hell and damnation and all things beneficial to pastors and their kind? Are they respecting my intelligence? The only true God is the God Jesus defined in John 4: 24! God IS a Spirit, Intangible Living Energy, not the God.of Genesis or Exodus, the god of the Jews, who demands you fear him! Fear him, respect him? I would have posted .... him but I promised jango I'd desist!

I am a spirit or intangible living energy, a part of God! I cannot disrespect God or I will be disrespecting myself as well! ALL is experience!

Because of Paul, the alien of the Pentateuch or the Old Testament of Paul' s 'Christians' and Mohammad's Muslims has been conflated with the true God, Jesus' God, a Spirit!

FM
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@Django posted:

In the late sixties ,we had thick heavy Arithmetic and Algebra text books that are used from form 1 up to GCE "O" Level ,they were red in color ,can't recall the name .I used to study a level higher than my current form.

I remember a red cover thick book on "Pure Mathematics" that I used in the early eighties in high school. Been trying to find it. Don't recall the correct name or author.

C
@Citizen posted:

I remember a red cover thick book on "Pure Mathematics" that I used in the early eighties in high school. Been trying to find it. Don't recall the correct name or author.

I've been trying.to find the Geometry text book.used at QC from 1947-1952, but so far, no luck! I even called QC.but they seem.to.have hired a rude incompetent for answering the phone!

FM
@Former Member posted:

I've been trying.to find the Geometry text book.used at QC from 1947-1952, but so far, no luck! I even called QC.but they seem.to.have hired a rude incompetent for answering the phone!

What Examinations was written at that time ?  I was not born yet.

Django
@Django posted:

Understanding Pure Mathematics PDF Download - Knowdemia

Is it this ?

Sure looks familiar. I am remembering a darker red - almost like a burgundy but the color may be off in these online pics. But like I said, it does look very familiar but not 100% sure.

The lim summation also looks familiar.

C
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@seignet posted:

You read God, I know from what say about Him. A Nigerian Prayer is when the Pastor declares the goodness of God upon the lives of the listeners.

God requires no one to fear Him. The word fear associated with Him is meant to be respect.

Why should I respect an alien who was afraid of the familiar spirits of the Jews? He had, like the Jews themselves and allied fools of the religious world, power over matter, never spirits, because only the true God, the Creator, has that power, as Jesus reminded him! Do you believe we are the only creations of God that are spirits? Do you believe that spirits must have a body to exist in this world of matter? ALL life is spirits, whether or not the spirit has a material body! Are you afraid of the supernatural? Live.and.let live! is, was,  They  harm yo Only you can  harm yourself by thinking they can! As some do in Africa, through.the witch doctors' suggestions!

We, spirits or energies, can never die, that is, become non-existent! Energy.is neither created nor destroyed! Whatever is, was, and will always BE!

Behold my genuine Canadian cretin at work above!

FM
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@Citizen posted:

Sure looks familiar. I am remembering a darker red - almost like a burgundy but the color may be off in these online pics. But like I said, it does look very familiar but not 100% sure.

The lim summation also looks familiar.

I believe this is the book Django - thank you!

Found a copy here  -  contents does bring back memories!

https://www.academia.edu/56959...ing_Pure_Mathematics

C
@cain posted:

Can't forget also making paper pellets for the sling shot fashioned from a bicycle spoke.

Can't forget those days. I got caned and detention. Thought I was slick and threw my rubberband and pellets under a classmate's desk. Damned prefect nailed me. The good old days. Principal at QC in my days was Trotz then Taylor.

GTAngler
@Django posted:

What Examinations was written at that time ?  I was not born yet.

Depends on who you're addressing, jango! '47 to "52, General Certificate of Education, Oxford & Cambridge, Levels I and II!

FM
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@Former Member posted:

Depends on who you're addressing, jango! '47 to "52, General Certificate of Education, Oxford & Cambridge, Levels I and II!

In my days were PCE ,CP and GCE.

Django
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@Former Member posted:

I've been trying.to find the Geometry text book.used at QC from 1947-1952, but so far, no luck! I even called QC.but they seem.to.have hired a rude incompetent for answering the phone!

Does it matter which text was used?  Has Geometry changed much in the last century? 

T
@Django posted:

Prelim is Preliminary Certificate of Examination .

Well , CP then? 21 subjects?.Guyana is now either.raising geniuses or those subjects are the old broken up into several parts!

FM
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@Former Member posted:

What were PCE and CP and when were your days?

PCE - Preliminary Certificate Examination written when by 4th Standard students ,CP -College of Preceptors written by Form 3 students.

Django
@Totaram posted:

Prelim,CP, GCE...remember those.  Now kids are writing 21 subjects of what is supposedly the replacement for GCE.

Tota, I tried to answer your other post but the cretin deleted that.as well as my attempt!

FM
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@Django posted:

PCE - Preliminary Certificate Examination written when by 4th Standard students ,CP -College of Preceptors written by Form 3 students.

What was.Form3.when.there.were.formerlyonly Standards?

FM
@Totaram posted:

Does it matter which text was used?  Has Geometry changed much in the last century? 

Matters to me, Tota! Geometry.was my bete noire, all because I was expected to have known Part I, which I didn't! Former Form 1 students would have known.that or kids whose parents had paid for.tuition.before entering QC! I, later, took the textbook to work with me and in my free moments, I breezed through Part I about 100 exercises a day! So, I threw it aside, realizing the problem was not me, but the school system! I had a job so, the heck with that! Now that I'm retired I'd like to complete the whole book for my own satisfaction, not any school's! Or my mother's!

FM
@Django posted:

Understanding Pure Mathematics PDF Download - Knowdemia

Is it this ?

It seems like dem bannas doing some nice series convergence and limits. A hardhead banna name Labba who posted here and that sweeter-than-sumootoo man can't do dem kind maths. Sumoootoo man only know to cuss.

FM
@Former Member posted:

It seems like dem bannas doing some nice series convergence and limits. A hardhead banna name Labba who posted here and that sweeter-than-sumootoo man can't do dem kind maths. Sumoootoo man only know to cuss.

Labba man was fat and lazy fuh true. lol.

FM
@Former Member posted:

Labba is a good cane juice man. He cyant read and write but can count money .

Labba had wan bramin customer who took ownership interest in he cane juice stand. Ah wonda how dat story end.

FM
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@Former Member posted:

chatree meh ass. dat fat labba couldn't fit pon de bramin boat.

Banna, there was no Brahmin boat. They all changed their Sudrs names to Brahmin names so they can get some privileged treatment from the Bakrah man.

R
@Ramakant-P posted:

Banna, there was no Brahmin boat. They all changed their Sudrs names to Brahmin names so they can get some privileged treatment from the Bakrah man.

so i've heard Rama, so I've heard. Hindu friend in HS told me that they were not real bramins, but boat bramins, meaning they became bramins on the boat. I guess that's what I was trying to say.

FM
@Ramakant-P posted:

Banna, there was no Brahmin boat. They all changed their Sudrs names to Brahmin names so they can get some privileged treatment from the Bakrah man.

Don't worry, Rama! The bird shit man is a mad n!

FM
@Former Member posted:

so i've heard Rama, so I've heard. Hindu friend in HS told me that they were not real bramins, but boat bramins, meaning they became bramins on the boat. I guess that's what I was trying to say.

OK!

R
@Former Member posted:

so i've heard Rama, so I've heard. Hindu friend in HS told me that they were not real bramins, but boat bramins, meaning they became bramins on the boat. I guess that's what I was trying to say.

Do you mean balahoo Brahmin like our boy with 10 iPhones and lots of sushi?

FM
@Former Member posted:

Do you mean balahoo Brahmin like our boy with 10 iPhones and lots of sushi?

..lol....is that what you call them? then I guess so. Never knew the meanin of balahoo. I heard your boy wants you to visit so he can bust your balls and "rub salt in it" lol

FM
@Django posted:

Have to get a copy . Also read from old documents about Dr.J.B Singh.

Regarding JB Singh's daughter Rajkumari Singh, who was her husband and father of her children? I can't find it anywhere.

FM
@Former Member posted:

Regarding JB Singh's daughter Rajkumari Singh, who was her husband and father of her children? I can't find it anywhere.

I'm pretty sure his name was Harnandan Singh and that he was a land surveyor. 

T

I have to agree with Iguana on this. No Brahmins or high chaste would want to come to cut cane in the unknown. It is similar to Jews where people change their names to Cohen and Levi when they came to the new world to live because those were the class of people who had roles in the temple.

Ali Khan Azad

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