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Budget Measures could have negative impact on economy and growth -Ram & McRae

"We believe that the budget measures, if implemented as they are proposed, will have a negative impact on the economy and growth. In our view, the achievement of the projected growth will be extremely difficult, if not impossible to achieve", the report said.

Budget Measures could have negative impact on economy and growth -Ram & McRae

The Ram and McRae Chartered Accounting firm has completed its review of the 2017 national budget and in the analysis, the company has come to the conclusion that the economy could see a greater slow down if the budget measures are implemented as proposed.

“We believe that the budget measures, if implemented as they are proposed, will have a negative impact on the economy and growth. In our view, the achievement of the projected growth will be extremely difficult, if not impossible to achieve”, the report said.

It added that some measures, such as the reversal of the minimum Corporation Tax into a maximum Corporation Tax for Commercial Companies, “can hardly be described as feasible and we do not see any other choice for the Minister than a reversal of the proposals.”

The accounting firm believes many of the proposals in the budget in relation to taxes are unnecessarily penal, disproportionate, and unfriendly and can drive some taxpayers underground at a time when the call is for a widening of the tax net.

One of the biggest measures that has received the most pushback is the government’s decision to add the Value Added Tax to water and electricity even as it reduced the overall VAT rate from 16% to 14%.

Ram and McRae point out that VAT is also going to be added to other items that previously did not attract VAT and consumers will face the pressure with higher prices.

According to Ram and McRae, the proposals in relation to VAT are substantial but represent a substantial rejection of the main principle of a VAT system.

“Items such as medical services and prescription drugs will now be subject to VAT – it is hard to believe that this is what was intended. But the Minister only focused on Water and Electricity. We have tested the proposals and found them to cause an increase in prices including on a most basic food item – bread. At the practical level, these proposals will therefore be inflationary”, it noted.

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Finance Minister Winston Jordan has been attempting to defend the measure as a way of the government pushing for conservative use of both water and electricity.  Only consumers whose electricity bill goes over $10,000 per month and whose water bill goes pass $1500 per month will see the 14% tax being added to those bills.

But many citizens are not buying that proposal and on radio shows and on social media, they are hitting back at the administration for moving to implement a value added tax on two commodities that are not made available in high quality and with a steady and consistent flow.

Jordan has admitted that it is likely that the introduction of the tax could trigger price increases for various commodities and services in the shops and supermarkets but he has reasoned that “there are two things that are guaranteed in this life. Death and taxes”.

The Ram and McRae Accounting firm suggests that some of the budget measures were inarticulately communicated or were misconceived and offers the example of “the so-called 40% tax rate combined with the alternative personal allowance will lead to regressivity and not progressivity in the tax system. Higher income tax payers will actually pay a lower rate than lower-middle income tax payers. In other words, instead of a progressive system, we will have one that is regressive. When combined with the changes in VAT, our tax system becomes totally regressive, which can hardly be what was in

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Nehru posted:
Finance Minister Winston Jordan has been attempting to defend the measure as a way of the government pushing for conservative use of both water and electricity.  Only consumers whose electricity bill goes over $10,000 per month and whose water bill goes pass $1500 per month will see the 14% tax being added to those bills.
FM

braying-white-donkey

Nice post DG.

The AFC/PNC donkeys are braying as the economy slides into economic decline.

My grandfather was 1000 percent correct. The PNC cannot even run a cakeshop how can these fools run a country ?

Bray AFC/PNC donkeys Bray !!!!

The braying donkey kicked Chris Ram and Baigan/Curass Man in the rear.

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Guyana got a good bracing from Venezuela in prior years through the Petrocaribe deal.  Shit is going to hit the fan because now they are relying on domestic borrowing at very high interest rates.

FM
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VVP posted:

Guyana got a good bracing from Venezuela in prior years through the Petrocaribe deal.  Shit is going to hit the fan because now they are relying on domestic borrowing at very high interest rates.

Well tek the shyte because you supported the PNC.

It was people like you who supported the UF in the past and other parties in the past which made Indos suffer in wilderness for 28 years of PNC racism and dictatorship.

Guess what ? Those days are back. History is repeating itself.

FM
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VVP posted:

Guyana got a good bracing from Venezuela in prior years through the Petrocaribe deal.  Shit is going to hit the fan because now they are relying on domestic borrowing at very high interest rates.

Domestic borrowing is not that bad. It is better than owing the Chinese a billion for substandard infrastructural work with no option to pay back. I am glad the scaled back on the borrowing and ease up on the give always. These was a veneer of progress as we dug a hole with debt, permitted the growth of a drug culture and saw the spread of corruption in every facet of our existence. A few got rich while most were in stasis.  We need to get real money from oil soon and we can start real development on our own money...provided of course the APNU does not go astray like 99 other oil rich states.

Guyana can be that Ibiza of fun, that Dubai that Baharain in wealth on the south american coast and we could do it better since we do not have as much to overcome geographically, culturally or proximal to friendly states. If we restrain ourselves for another year we can present a case where we can borrow at low rates from western banks to kick start the economy and prepare specifically for a different kind of reality as a wealthy nation. I do not know how we can fail given we are a nation with every advantage a country need to be the best place to live in ...climate...environment....natural resources. Only its people can cause us to fail and that is if we behave like the stupid lottery winner

FM
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well, well, well what does it take 100 years before some realize the incompetence, recklessness, thieving, dumb and cluelessness of the PNC.  Hoping that they will do anything progressive is worst than signing a contract for the Bkly Bridge.

Nehru

D2 - 2% external vs 16% internal is good?  The problem it looks like they are not able to secure external funding at consessional rates.  The only benefit of the internal funding is that it will be paid back in G$.

So who is the Finance guru on this site.  I would like to hear some opinions.

FM
yuji22 posted:
VVP posted:

Guyana got a good bracing from Venezuela in prior years through the Petrocaribe deal.  Shit is going to hit the fan because now they are relying on domestic borrowing at very high interest rates.

Well tek the shyte because you supported the PNC.

It was people like you who supported the UF in the past and other parties in the past which made Indos suffer in wilderness for 28 years of PNC racism and dictatorship.

Guess what ? Those days are back. History is repeating itself.

WTF you talking bout??

FM
yuji22 posted:
VVP posted:

Guyana got a good bracing from Venezuela in prior years through the Petrocaribe deal.  Shit is going to hit the fan because now they are relying on domestic borrowing at very high interest rates.

Well tek the shyte because you supported the PNC.

It was people like you who supported the UF in the past and other parties in the past which made Indos suffer in wilderness for 28 years of PNC racism and dictatorship.

Guess what ? Those days are back. History is repeating itself.

Correct, Yuji.

FM

D2 do you know that Venezuela has the Largest oil reserve in the world and they have established infrastructure and refineries?  How come they are struggling?  Oil will not necessary make Guyana rich if they don't invest in the right direction.  This government is incapable of this.

FM
VVP posted:

D2 do you know that Venezuela has the Largest oil reserve in the world and they have established infrastructure and refineries?  How come they are struggling?  Oil will not necessary make Guyana rich if they don't invest in the right direction.  This government is incapable of this.

Thank you Sir. Some people slow to realize basic facts.

Nehru
VVP posted:

D2 do you know that Venezuela has the Largest oil reserve in the world and they have established infrastructure and refineries?  How come they are struggling?  Oil will not necessary make Guyana rich if they don't invest in the right direction.  This government is incapable of this.

Because they have Castro wannabe jackasses for leaders.

Mars

Because the Venezuelan economy lacks diversification.  They depend solely on oil.  They need to produce food and manufactured goods.  Look what Granger is doing - he is killing the entire agriculture sector and waiting for oil money which may or may not flow.

Bibi Haniffa

Should oil developments indeed take place in Guyana, indications are that and extremely small work force will be local Guyanese plus the major revenues will be shipped offshore for the investors and developers.

FM
VVP posted:

D2 - 2% external vs 16% internal is good?  The problem it looks like they are not able to secure external funding at consessional rates.  The only benefit of the internal funding is that it will be paid back in G$.

So who is the Finance guru on this site.  I would like to hear some opinions.

At 40 percent of GDP Guyana's external debt is not suffocating. Large external debt is an actual transfer of real assets to an external entity in the paying back. It can ruin a nation if  growth is slowed and it begins to accrue interests as it fall behind in payments. Internal debt is what the nation owes itself ie credit card, student loans and does not incur real asset loss. It is merely redistribution of monies in the state.

FM
VVP posted:

D2 do you know that Venezuela has the Largest oil reserve in the world and they have established infrastructure and refineries?  How come they are struggling?  Oil will not necessary make Guyana rich if they don't invest in the right direction.  This government is incapable of this.

They mismanaged their resources, let their infrastructure decay ( those refineries are hobbled with lack of spare parts) Venezuela's leaders are very stupid people. They ruined relations with states that could be helpful to them for no reason except stupid posturing.

Additionally, they give away more that was prudent to buy goodwill rather than earn it.  Their crippling infrastructure decay means they can only make a profit if oil is at 70 dollars per barrel. Pre Chavez they barely got 3 cent to the dollar for their oil and they became rich. They owned it all and became poor.

History is against Guyana benefiting from its oil. We can only hope and pray that we join the company of the 1 percent of oil rich states where people actually benefit from the resource. Even Canada and Australia failed in this area.

FM
Danyael posted:
VVP posted:

D2 - 2% external vs 16% internal is good?  The problem it looks like they are not able to secure external funding at consessional rates.  The only benefit of the internal funding is that it will be paid back in G$.

So who is the Finance guru on this site.  I would like to hear some opinions.

At 40 percent of GDP Guyana's external debt is not suffocating. Large external debt is an actual transfer of real assets to an external entity in the paying back. It can ruin a nation if  growth is slowed and it begins to accrue interests as it fall behind in payments. Internal debt is what the nation owes itself ie credit card, student loans and does not incur real asset loss. It is merely redistribution of monies in the state.

Commercial banks hold most of the domestic debt.  Many of the commercial banks have foreign interests meaning they move the profits out of Guyana.

I wish if TK was here to discuss this.  

FM
VVP posted:
Danyael posted:

 Pre Chavez they barely got 3 cent to the dollar for their oil and they became rich. 

Where did you get this from?

We are slated to get 12 cents on a dollar in our present contract with EXXON and that is considered by those in charge to be on the high side.

I read of that amount being received by Venezuela when I was looking into what CGX will pay. I will try to find the document.

CGX also claim they are going to give up 12 cents on the dollar but I seriously doubt that. We may be getting as little as 3 cents on the dollar from them. They deny that.

FM
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Danyael posted:

We are slated to get 12 cents on a dollar in our present contract with EXXON and that is considered by those in charge to be on the high side.

 

Do you have the document for this?  I need to catch up on these things...been extremely busy over the last year.  I think I will get a lil break over then next couple weeks. 

FM
VVP posted:
yuji22 posted:
VVP posted:

Guyana got a good bracing from Venezuela in prior years through the Petrocaribe deal.  Shit is going to hit the fan because now they are relying on domestic borrowing at very high interest rates.

Well tek the shyte because you supported the PNC.

It was people like you who supported the UF in the past and other parties in the past which made Indos suffer in wilderness for 28 years of PNC racism and dictatorship.

Guess what ? Those days are back. History is repeating itself.

WTF you talking bout??

This is what happens when we allow people with extremely low iq's to post here.

cain
VVP posted:
Danyael posted:

We are slated to get 12 cents on a dollar in our present contract with EXXON and that is considered by those in charge to be on the high side.

 

Do you have the document for this?  I need to catch up on these things...been extremely busy over the last year.  I think I will get a lil break over then next couple weeks. 

Confirmed in the news recently. I do not believe it.  One of the things about the oil trade is crude increase in volume and in value after processing so One barrel of crude can be purchased at 30 dollars and sold with by products for a hundred or more. Are we getting the 12 cents on the crude? If so how are we accounting for what amount passes into the tankers except as they tell us? The oil industry is worse than the music industry and there every artiste gets screwed.

FM
VVP posted:
yuji22 posted:
VVP posted:

Guyana got a good bracing from Venezuela in prior years through the Petrocaribe deal.  Shit is going to hit the fan because now they are relying on domestic borrowing at very high interest rates.

Well tek the shyte because you supported the PNC.

It was people like you who supported the UF in the past and other parties in the past which made Indos suffer in wilderness for 28 years of PNC racism and dictatorship.

Guess what ? Those days are back. History is repeating itself.

WTF you talking bout??

Yes, you supported the AFC/PNC. It is folks like you who put Guyana where it is today. A bunch of filth heads are running Guyana, it is bankrupt, corrupt and a crime haven and you supported these clowns.

FM
yuji22 posted:

Yes, you supported the AFC/PNC. It is folks like you who put Guyana where it is today. A bunch of filth heads are running Guyana, it is bankrupt, corrupt and a crime haven and you supported these clowns.

Dumb as a skunk as usual and completely in the dark as the the discussion here.

FM
Danyael posted:
yuji22 posted:

Yes, you supported the AFC/PNC. It is folks like you who put Guyana where it is today. A bunch of filth heads are running Guyana, it is bankrupt, corrupt and a crime haven and you supported these clowns.

Dumb as a skunk as usual and completely in the dark as the the discussion here.

No, he's on-point.  It's people like VVP who helped put the hapless, racist PNC in power, now they all wringing their hands as they realize they threw their mattie under the bus.  They have to face their people, you don't.  Also, the fullah crew enjoy each other company!

FM
ba$eman posted:
Danyael posted:
yuji22 posted:

Yes, you supported the AFC/PNC. It is folks like you who put Guyana where it is today. A bunch of filth heads are running Guyana, it is bankrupt, corrupt and a crime haven and you supported these clowns.

Dumb as a skunk as usual and completely in the dark as the the discussion here.

No, he's on-point.  It's people like VVP who helped put the hapless, racist PNC in power, now they all wringing their hands as they realize they threw their mattie under the bus.  They have to face their people, you don't.  Also, the fullah crew enjoy each other company!

The PNC are in power because the PPP were crooks that needed to be removed. Even now they still do not seem to have the moral fortitude to auto correct and modify their policies or their message. They are the same old corrupt mess and on that account Granger could note lose. The PPP failed because they were corrupt to the bone.

FM
ba$eman posted:
Danyael posted:
yuji22 posted:

Yes, you supported the AFC/PNC. It is folks like you who put Guyana where it is today. A bunch of filth heads are running Guyana, it is bankrupt, corrupt and a crime haven and you supported these clowns.

Dumb as a skunk as usual and completely in the dark as the the discussion here.

No, he's on-point.  It's people like VVP who helped put the hapless, racist PNC in power, now they all wringing their hands as they realize they threw their mattie under the bus.  They have to face their people, you don't.  Also, the fullah crew enjoy each other company!

My interest was not to put the PNC/ACF in but to take the PPP OUT.  I don't regret the choice.  Hopefully come 2020 there will be a new force on the block to take all of them out.  Guyana would have had  a chance to see incompetence back to back. Guyana is full of useless politicians.

FM
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Danyael posted:
ba$eman posted:
Danyael posted:
yuji22 posted:

Yes, you supported the AFC/PNC. It is folks like you who put Guyana where it is today. A bunch of filth heads are running Guyana, it is bankrupt, corrupt and a crime haven and you supported these clowns.

Dumb as a skunk as usual and completely in the dark as the the discussion here.

No, he's on-point.  It's people like VVP who helped put the hapless, racist PNC in power, now they all wringing their hands as they realize they threw their mattie under the bus.  They have to face their people, you don't.  Also, the fullah crew enjoy each other company!

The PNC are in power because the PPP were crooks that needed to be removed. Even now they still do not seem to have the moral fortitude to auto correct and modify their policies or their message. They are the same old corrupt mess and on that account Granger could note lose. The PPP failed because they were corrupt to the bone.

Just like the democrats heh! How come you support the democrats(losers) and you don't support the PPP. Instead you support apex predators.

FM
VVP posted:
ba$eman posted:

No, he's on-point.  It's people like VVP who helped put the hapless, racist PNC in power, now they all wringing their hands as they realize they threw their mattie under the bus.  They have to face their people, you don't.  Also, the fullah crew enjoy each other company!

My interest was not to put the PNC/ACF in but to take the PPP OUT.  I don't regret the choice.  Hopefully come 2020 there will be a new force on the block to take all of them out.  Guyana would have had  a chance to see incompetence back to back. Guyana is full of useless politicians.

So, you throw out the baby and bathwater.  What a foolhardy position.   Go tell that to all the Indians facing PNC racism!  Tell them you hated BJ and the PPP for personal reasons and wanted them out.  You had hoped the tooth-fairy will get elected and not the racist PNC.

You funny bai, now you telling the Americans what's good for them!

That's BS, you preferred the PNC but now you are ashamed and saying you were just against the PPP.  In the eyes of the Indians, it just don't hold water.  It's a unforgivable lack of judgement!

FM
Danyael posted:

I mentioned exactly that to someone on SN comment section. It is not for love of Granger that  many voted against the PPP but for a dire need to stop the PPP corruption

For the years I read you here, yopu have a deep hatred for Indians and frankly, you did not care.  VVP has his sleepless nights when he see/hear of the consequences of his irrational decision!

FM
skeldon_man posted:
Danyael posted:

Just like the democrats heh! How come you support the democrats(losers) and you don't support the PPP. Instead you support apex predators.

Democrats are the ones who over the past half century has always resurrected the economy and stabilized social life. Republicans on the other hand are deficit spenders and always end up screwing up everything.  I am a social Keynesian so I am for a balance of government oversight and intervention not laissez-faire markets.

FM
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ba$eman posted:
Danyael posted:

I mentioned exactly that to someone on SN comment section. It is not for love of Granger that  many voted against the PPP but for a dire need to stop the PPP corruption

For the years I read you here, yopu have a deep hatred for Indians and frankly, you did not care.  VVP has his sleepless nights when he see/hear of the consequences of his irrational decision!

I will be going down to RH find that coolie/indian who destroyed this man's life.

FM
ba$eman posted:
Danyael posted:

I mentioned exactly that to someone on SN comment section. It is not for love of Granger that  many voted against the PPP but for a dire need to stop the PPP corruption

For the years I read you here, yopu have a deep hatred for Indians and frankly, you did not care.  VVP has his sleepless nights when he see/hear of the consequences of his irrational decision!

you read your own reality. I hate crooks and copruptocrats and where they lurk I shine a light. VVP is doing as he always done, commenting as a guyanese not as an indian or a black one at what he thinks about social or political questions.

FM
skeldon_man posted:
ba$eman posted:
Danyael posted:

I mentioned exactly that to someone on SN comment section. It is not for love of Granger that  many voted against the PPP but for a dire need to stop the PPP corruption

For the years I read you here, yopu have a deep hatred for Indians and frankly, you did not care.  VVP has his sleepless nights when he see/hear of the consequences of his irrational decision!

I will be going down to RH find that coolie/indian who destroyed this man's life.

You will be doing what you imagined not what you think is real.  As I know it my life is complete in every way I conceived it to be and more.

FM

Thousands who voted AFC/APNU are anti-PNCites who thought that coalition gov't. would limit the power of the PNC. They are now very disappointed at what's happening.  These voters will not vote a APNU/AFC ticket anymore.  This is how the PPP will win in 2020

Billy Ram Balgobin

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