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October 3 ,2021

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The fire came from an office area.

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Cells where prisoners are kept.

Several questions now surrounds the buring of the Brickdam Police Station on Saturday.

The Guyana Police Force in a statement said that investigators managed to get a confession (on video) from a prisoner – Clarence Greene, of lot 2292 Princess Street Lodge.

Greene, who was arrested early on Saturday morning (October 2nd, 2021) and placed in the Brickdam lockups for an alleged Robbery Under Arms, told investigators during his confession that his motive for starting the fire was due to him being detained for a couple of hours and he became frustrated.

Following the fire on Saturday, the prisoners who were in the Brickdam lockups were questioned and two of them claimed that after the fire was seen and they were taken out of the cells and escorted to the Sparendaam Police Station, they were placed in a cell with Clarence Greene.

The duo said Green told them that he took a piece of sponge, wrapped it up on a piece of wire which he lit, and pushed it through a ventilation hole in the cell over to a part that had some documents and it catches afire.

Following this revelation, Clarence was then video interviewed/questioned by detectives during which he ‘confessed’ and told investigators that he tore off a piece of sponge from a mattress in the cell that he was in, hooked it on a piece of wire, and lit same with a cigarette lighter which he then pushed through a ventilation hole in the cell at Brickdam.

However, Daily News is in receipt of a picture of when the fire started. According to picture evidence, heavy smoke was coming from an office area in one of the buildings which do not house prisoners.

Prisoners are kept in holding cells, which are located to the northern side of the compound.

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Police maintains prisoner set Brickdam Station on fire

October 4, 2021

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The Guyana Police Force is maintaining that the fire that ripped through the iconic Brickdam Police Station started in very close proximity to where prisoners are kept.
The Daily News is in receipt of a picture which shows when the fire had just started. There was a plume of smoke at the time.
It was coming from an upper flat in one of the buildings. The building was not in close proximity of the cells where prisoners are usually kept.
More questions now surround the police’s account of an alleged confession given by one of the prisoners. How did the prisoner manage to get a lighter and wire? Since all prisoners who are placed in the lockups, are searched thoroughly.
Below is the response from the GPF following the new revelations by the Daily News.

“The Guyana Police Force is expressing its great concern over an erroneous and misleading article posted by an online news media today Sunday October 03, 2021, which insinuates that the fire which destroyed the Brickdam Police Station Complex yesterday started in an area other than that stated by the police.
In an effort to add credence to its report, the online news media uploaded an image which showed smoke emanating from the upper flat of the building, which it claimed is away from the holding area.
However, investigations so far revealed through witnesses, coupled with a video confession from one of the prisoners, exactly how the fire was started.
It should also be noted that the subordinate officer who was one of the first responders to the alarm raised by other prisoners, observed smoke emanating from outside the air vents of the cell that the suspect who confessed to starting the fire was placed in.
The smoke quickly turned into flames and the subordinate officer, together with one of the prisoners, immediately filled a bucket with water from a pipe in the lock-up and threw the water in the direction of the air vent in an effort to extinguish the fire.
Further, the subordinate officer also revealed that he saw a significant piece of the sponge was missing from the mattress that the suspect was given to sleep on.
As mentioned yesterday, the Guyana Police Force is sparing no effort as it continues the investigation into Saturday’s devastating fire which destroyed the Brickdam Police Station complex in Georgetown. Investigators are in possession of a confession (on video) from a prisoner – Clarence Greene, an unemployed 26-year-old MN of lot 2292 Princess Street Lodge who admitted to starting the fire.

Greene, who was arrested early on Saturday morning (October 2nd, 2021) and placed in the Brickdam lockups for an alleged Robbery Under Arms, told investigators during his confession that his motive for starting the fire was due to him being detained for a couple of hours and he became frustrated.

Following the fire on Saturday, the prisoners who were in the Brickdam lockups were questioned and two of them claimed that after the fire was seen and they were taken out of the cells and escorted to the Sparendaam Police Station, they were placed in a cell with Clarence Greene.
The duo said Green told them that he took a piece of sponge, wrapped it up on a piece of wire which he lit, and pushed it through a ventilation hole in the cell over to a part that had some documents and it catches afire.

Following this revelation, Clarence was then video interviewed/questioned by detectives during which he ‘confessed’ to the above.
Investigations continue.”

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@Spugum posted:

they can't even put out a fire let alone investigate its origin

apparently the gpf done investigate - prisoner with lighter, wire and a piece of sponge from he mattress

prezzie good with duh

Prezzie said something about International help .

Django
@Django posted:

Where is the investigation that caused the fire ? cleaning up of debris started.

Not to worry, just like the koker problem, Fatman will appear dressed as a fireman and begin to scour the embers. Wants to do it himself. Word is he can't find a helmet to fit, so will probably have to borrow the Chef's hat he wore when serving dinner to the soldiers. Hold strain, he coming ova soon.

FM
@Django posted:

Prezzie said something about International help .

threatening them boys in new york. them boys don't keep quiet about nothing. them boys laughed at him and his handler bumbling at the UN so he lil vex and thing

he wants his own way with the guyana fire service (re promotions etc) so he'll seize the opportunity now to shuffle the pack

S
@Mitwah posted:

Building is old. Wiring is old. This could very well be an electrical fire.

Most likely ,Guyanese  always duped by incompetent leaders,the country produces lots of square pegs in round holes praised by their supporters .

The science just does not add up

Dear Editor,

Strange things do happen for which the scientific explanations are not always readily available. With respect to the origin of the fire at the Brickdam Police Station the Police reported that a prisoner inserted a lit sponge into a ventilation duct. Had that been the case the prisoners would have been overwhelmed with smoke, thus causing major smoke inhalation and possibly death. The science just does not add up.

Do we need an international team to investigate this fire? This may turn out to be a major embarrassment to Guyana.

Sincerely,

Abraham David

Django
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The guy who "apparently" started the fire should be questioned as to who exactly gave him a lighter and wire, it would be interesting to see what story he comes up with.

cain
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Brickdam Police Station fire

Saturday’s catastrophic fire at the Brickdam Police Station laid bare yet again the failings of the government in the security sector and particularly the bumbling and ineffectual conduct of the Guyana Fire Service (GFS).

Two swift investigations are needed. The first of these would be the cause of the fire. There are reports that the fire was set by a remanded prisoner and that a confession has been obtained.  This matter must be credibly, comprehensively and rapidly investigated.

Of equal importance is an examination of the GFS response from first call to the quelling of the inferno. This requires no commission of inquiry. Twenty of the ubiquitous time-stamped, amateur videos of various phases of the blaze examined by one or two experts not connected to the GFS would provide a comprehensive enough picture of the firefight. That should then lead quickly to decisions on leadership of the GFS and revamping the response to major conflagrations which have had a long history in this city.

There are related issues such as the judicious and efficient use of expensive equipment purchased with taxpayers’ money. Around six weeks ago, the fire service mounted an impressive `Get Ready’ exercise on Robb Street. The purpose of the August 22 manoeuvres was to test the capability of the Fire Boat Protector and other equipment when accessing water from the river to fight fires in the city. It was also aimed at testing and ensuring the effectiveness of both trainee and regular firefighters in the event of a major fire in a commercial area.

The Exercise saw a total of 86 personnel including nine Officers, two Sub Officers, eight  Section Leaders, 11 Leading Firemen and Women and 56 Firefighters making use of specialized equipment which included one Fire Boat, one Hydraulic Platform, one Hose Layer and six Water Tenders which conveyed water from the river at John Fernandes Wharf on Water Street to Wellington and Robb streets, Georgetown, covering approximately 1.5 kilometres in distance.

One can safely say that the GFS appeared not to have benefitted from this exercise based on Saturday’s disorganised performance. There could have been some good reason for it but the much-vaunted hydraulic platform was nowhere in evidence on Brickdam fighting this fire from on high with mighty water pressure. It was evident on Hadfield Street in what can hardly be described as a supporting role.

Again, as has been the case in all recent major fires in the city, the GFS struggled to find reliable and adequate sources of water. Why wasn’t water drawn from the Demerara as had been done as part of the August 22 exercise to combat exactly a fire of these dimensions?  At recent fires in the city, fire-fighters have appeared uncoordinated, unenergetic and without all of the necessary tools to undertake their urgent tasks.

The burning issue of fire hydrants continues to singe the force. The hydrants are meant to be the proximate source of water yet there continues to be evidence that many of these are not functioning, or worse, are not being utilised. For years, the GFS, the city, the water utility and ministries have haggled over who is ultimately responsible for the upkeep of the hydrants. President Ali would do well to immediately end this feuding and ensure that from this point onwards all fire hydrants are functioning and kept in working order.

As to the Guyana Police Force (GPF), Saturday’s fire also raises searing questions for it. The extent of the loss of case files and other documents needs to be ascertained. With Brickdam being the main station in the capital and for Division 4A one can only surmise the scale of loss of documents. Were these documents also in electronic form or was this the typical manual filing operations with no digitising that is so prevalent in government offices? The reconstituting of these files will be crucial to hundreds of cases before the court and the force must make this an immediate priority. The digitising and backing up of these files in the police force and across the public sector must also now become an urgent priority. Just as important is the question of the security of the most important police installation in the city. Granted that the Brickdam Police Station was a historic building worthy of preservation, it didn’t mean that the force could not have implemented measures to improve its safety and fire-resisting capacity. If as is being reported by the police that one disgruntled prisoner on remand with a piece of wire, sponge from a mattress and matches was able to demolish the entire Brickdam station then the police force has a major problem on its hands which has also beset other branches of the Joint Services. In 2017, rioting prisoners succeeded in burning down almost all of the Camp Street prison creating dislocation and other problems that subsist up to today. Did the police force learn nothing from this disaster?

What fire containment and suppression systems were available at the Brickdam station? Was there a fire alarm, extinguishers, sprinkler facility, fire hoses and sand buckets? Had the fire service recently advised the police force on the fire safety measures that needed to be taken at Brickdam and did it act on them?

PPP/C administrations have traditionally suffered spectacular arson attacks on ministries, schools etc. In recent months several buildings have been demolished by fire including two schools and Saturday’s obliteration of the Brickdam Station raises the question of whether the administration has placed enough emphasis on the protection of state assets. It is unbelievable the billions of dollars that are being spent annually on security for these buildings yet they seem so unprotected and vulnerable.

Saturday’s disaster will be a stern test of whether the Ali administration can rise to the challenge of protecting state assets through a better performing fire service, stepped up security and an intelligence-led approach.

Django
@Former Member posted:

Lol!! Django gone full out propaganda...when SN report dis news I go believe 😁

LOL !!! you buy in to the bed sponge ,wire and lighter theory ,have you notice where prison cells in the compound .The remains of the Brickdam Police Station a day after the fire

Django
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@Django posted:

LOL !!! you buy in to the bed sponge ,wire and lighter theory ,have you notice where prison cells in the compound.

Na. Didn't buy it. I see more nefarious things at wuk than ONE stupidee prisoner.

FM

I watched Mark Benschop interview Nigel Hughes about the Brickdam fire.  The Hughes/Stoby law firm is in the vicinity of the station and Mr. Hughes was on the scene during the fire.  There is no way that fire was started by the prisoner Greene.  Benschop was held at the Brickdam station numerous times and was 100% certain that the fire was not started as described by Greene. 

T
@Totaram posted:

I watched Mark Benschop interview Nigel Hughes about the Brickdam fire.  The Hughes/Stoby law firm is in the vicinity of the station and Mr. Hughes was on the scene during the fire.  There is no way that fire was started by the prisoner Greene.  Benschop was held at the Brickdam station numerous times and was 100% certain that the fire was not started as described by Greene.

Benchop... hehehehehe hehehe...lol...lol .. 😂😆 terrorists

FM
Former Member posted:

Benchop... hehehehehe hehehe...lol...lol .. 😂😆 terrorists

Yes, Benschop.   Both he and Hughes provided convincing evidence that Greene could not have started the fire.  Do you know a defence lawyer in Guyana better than Nigel Hughes?  Oh, and his mastery of the English language makes Irfaan Ali sound like a Prep A student and that is not a slur against Indians. 

T
@Totaram posted:

Yes, Benschop.   Both he and Hughes provided convincing evidence that Greene could not have started the fire.  Do you know a defence lawyer in Guyana better than Nigel Hughes?  Oh, and his mastery of the English language makes Irfaan Ali sound like a Prep A student and that is not a slur against Indians.

kapadulla gone probably get vex.

Django
@Totaram posted:

He behaves like a petulant child.

yes, and more. I didn't know he was such an elitist. He does not want to be questioned or debated. He puts things out there and we ought to just nod approvingly. Sadly, he is not his own person.

This site acknowledged the irregularities with Lowenfeld and Mingo. Ought we not to acknowledge the pending court case with the 47 ballot boxes? It is this he objects to. I don't get it.

Well, best to him.

FM
@Former Member posted:

yes, and more. I didn't know he was such an elitist. He does not want to be questioned or debated. He puts things out there and we ought to just nod approvingly. Sadly, he is not his own person.

This site acknowledged the irregularities with Lowenfeld and Mingo. Ought we not to acknowledge the pending court case with the 47 ballot boxes? It is this he objects to. I don't get it.

Well, best to him.

This site acknowledged the irregularities with Lowenfeld and Mingo.huh? Hahahahaha [maniacal laughter]Yeah right, I challenged you to point to single instant of acknowledgement from yourself or yuh sidekick Spugum…

sachin_05
@sachin_05 posted:

This site acknowledged the irregularities with Lowenfeld and Mingo.huh? Hahahahaha [maniacal laughter]Yeah right, I challenged you to point to single instant of acknowledgement from yourself or yuh sidekick Spugum…

i never argued that lowenfield or mingo were innocent. i believe there were cheating on both sides in the 2020 general election dubbed "the mother of all elections".

that we ended up with a narrative that only one side cheated is unfortunate and dangerous

i happen to sympathise with the view that mingo probably "try a thing" because he knew from the numbers in region 4 (and other regions) that the ppp had found a way to cheat, he just didn't know how. it would later be revealed at the recount how the ppp went about cheating. mingo, lowenfield and others will get their say at the trial and when the case is over - for now they have to be silent

hope this clarifies my position

my question to you is: do you accept the ppp has cheat at general elections?

thanks

S
@sachin_05 posted:

This site acknowledged the irregularities with Lowenfeld and Mingo.huh? Hahahahaha [maniacal laughter]Yeah right, I challenged you to point to single instant of acknowledgement from yourself or yuh sidekick Spugum…

I know you struggle to understand English, but I'll try. I don't have time to go back and pull up all the posts, but here's one. Mingo and Lowenfeld were dragged before the courts. No disagreement from me. And I likewise feel that the petition re the 47 ballot boxes should also go before the courts.

You, like typical Guyanese, cannot understand that there are people like me who do not support EITHER of these 2 parties in their present form. How many times have I said here that they combined to give us 55+ years of SHIT?????

https://guyana.crowdstack.io/topic/v...7#677290384778267767

FM

Suspect in Brickdam Police station fire denies any involvement in starting fire; Says he never confessed

The man, Clarence Greene, who was in the Brickdam lockups when the fire engulfed the station on Saturday, met with Attorneys Ronald Daniels and Kiswana Jefford today and told them that he had nothing to do with the fire and was forced to sign a statement that was never read to him.

Suspect in Brickdam Police station fire denies any involvement in starting fire; Says he never confessed

The man the Police claimed confessed to starting the fire that gutted the Brickdam Police station is denying that he ever made any such confession and he is accusing the Police of forcing him to sign a statement after he was allegedly assaulted during questioning.

The man, Clarence Greene, who was in the Brickdam lockups when the fire engulfed the station on Saturday, met with Attorneys Ronald Daniels and Kiswana Jefford today and told them that he had nothing to do with the fire and was forced to sign a statement that was never read to him.

The man told the Attorneys that he was arrested early on Saturday morning on allegations of an armed robbery. He said he was searched before he was placed in Cell #4 inside the lockups. There was nothing found on him during the search.

Attorney Ronald Daniels said his client told him that he was the only one placed in the cell and moments after being placed there, he started to smell something burning and raised an alarm which was ignored by the Police.

He said a prisoner in the cell next to him also raised an alarm that there was a burning scent coming into the cell, but that prisoner’s complaint was also ignored.

Greene told his Attorneys that he eventually fell asleep but was awakened by a prisoner at his door throwing water on him and alerting him that there was a fire. The man said by this time, smoke was coming into the cell, and the Police started to evacuate them from the area.

“They were taken to another building in the compound and searched again, then taken to the nearby school and searched again, before eventually being taken to the Sparendaam Police station by bus on Saturday evening”, the Attorney said.

Attorney Daniels said his client told him that while on their way to the Police station on the East Coast, the prisoners were talking on the bus about the fire and the fact that their initial alarm about the fire was ignored.

At the Sparendaam station, the man said he provided a statement to the Police detailing his experience, recounting all that took place and the warnings he provided.

He said later on Sunday he was taken to the CID headquarters where he was questioned while being hit on the shoulder. The Attorney said his client told him that throughout the questioning at CID, he never confessed to starting any fire, because he never started any fire.

The man said he was eventually given a statement to sign and when he asked the Officer to read the statement to him because he could not read, he was told that he should just sign it.

He said on Monday he was taken back to the scene of the Fire where he again denied any role in starting the fire.

Attorney Ronald Daniels said his client was very clear about all that took place at the Police station on Saturday.

On Sunday, the Police issued a statement indicating that the man had confessed to setting the station on fire, by lighting a piece of a mattress, tying it onto a piece of wire, and pushing it through the vent of the lockups into an office area.

Immediately, questions were raised about the confession.

More questions were raised yesterday when checks of the home address of the man provided by the Police revealed that the address is non-existent and no one in the area knows the man.

The Attorney said the man actually lives in the Timehri area but was staying at a relative in Charlestown when he was arrested.

The Attorney has since indicated that a complaint will be filed against the investigating officer, who his client claims assaulted him during questioning.

T

Just wonderful! This is some strange shyte going in Guyana.

This is a first in Guyana, the place with garbage in its streets, trenches, nobody cares about clean up, but fire bun down the cop shop,  ... oh me Laaawwwddd, leh we cleanup immediately.

The question is; Who ordered the cleanup and why?

Sniff sniff, there's a fishy smell.

cain
@cain posted:

Just wonderful! This is some strange shyte going in Guyana.

This is a first in Guyana, the place with garbage in its streets, trenches, nobody cares about clean up, but fire bun down the cop shop,  ... oh me Laaawwwddd, leh we cleanup immediately.

The question is; Who ordered the cleanup and why?

Sniff sniff, there's a fishy smell.

the so-called confession can't stand up in court. the pictures tell a different story

who is behind the attempt to cover up what happened?

S

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