Django posted:

kp posted:

caribny posted:

Bibi Haniffa posted:

In your little narrow world, everything is defined as PNC/PPP

I make note of the fact that you have failed to address the real financial issues of Guysuco, and the fact that its increasing indebtedness can seriously drown Guyana.

Guyana CANNOT sustain Guysuco in its present form.  This company swallows billions of dollars in bail outs, and is a bottom less pit.

You know full well that if we were talking about Linden, you wouldn't give a damn, so don't even try it!

Some how you fail to realize that Blackman also works in the sugar industry, but if according to you ,close Guysuco, well then the government will collapse. In some silly way you want the Coalition to Fail, but no one on GNI is giving you support, In any business when it not producing to capacity ,there are several ways to streamline the company. Cane is still used to produce sugar in many countries . I lived and worked on the sugar estate, it will take me hours to teach you how to produce sugar. To start, it takes a lot more cane today to produce sugar, they don't fertilize and irrigate the fields like before, cutting cost.In Mon Repos there was a research center for the sugar industry, where they constantly developing new strain of cane to adjust the ever changing weather condition, also new chemicals to treat the crops. The government job in any country is to create and save Jobs, other than the people being a burden to the government.

Neglect and poor management for the past 40+ yrs caused all those issues,lots of money have to be pumped to bring it back to profitability,is it worth it?? downsize is a better option,GUYSUCO is a dead weight for the Government,it is not even marketable.

Reflecting upon some of the industry, Burnham and Jagan screw up big time by nationalizing sugar and bauxite,they should have done a partnership deal with the owners,too late now no turning back.

Also, when Jagdeo stop using the workers in the sugar industry for his political purpose and suggest ways for sustainable development,  there might be positive outlook for the workers.    

Bibi Haniffa posted:

Why not debate it?  Is Guyana no longer a democracy?   Dr. Barton Scotland is a twisted man.   Biased to the core.

I AM NOW CONVINCED THAT PARLIAMENT IS GRANGER'S RUBBER STAMP....HE CONTROLS ALL THE MACHINERIES OF GOVERNMENT AND AS SUCH IS ASSUMING THE POSITION OF A DICTATOR. THERE IS NO OTHER EXPLANATION.

Guyana is now an official dictatorship under Granger (Burnham's disciple)

These AFC/PNC skunks in Guyana do not want to debate the closing of the Wales Sugar estate.

kp posted:

 

Some how you fail to realize that Blackman also works in the sugar industry,

And my opinion will not be any different, except to tell you that Jagdeo doesn't care a flying fig about them.  He screams that Wales is being closed to spite PPP supporters.

Do those blacks working in sugar work vote PPP?  NO!  So don't pretend as if Jagdeo cares about their fate.

Tola posted:

 

Also, when Jagdeo stop using the workers in the sugar industry for his political purpose and suggest ways for sustainable development,  there might be positive outlook for the workers.    

Which is my point. These workers are in a mess because the PPP mismanaged Guysuco.  Rather than helping them he wishes to continue his racial war.

kp posted:

 To start, it takes a lot more cane today to produce sugar, they don't fertilize and irrigate the fields like before, cutting cost.In Mon Repos there was a research center for the sugar industry, where they constantly developing new strain of cane to adjust the ever changing weather condition, also new chemicals to treat the crops. The government job in any country is to create and save Jobs, other than the people being a burden to the government.

The business of the gov't is to transition people from failing industries.

Which countries in the Caribbean still produce cane for export?  Most of them have SHUT down their sugar industry.  The few who still have it have drastically reduced its size to reduce losses.

The EU gave Guyana $$$ to assist in transitioning away from sugar.

What did the PPP do? SQUANDER it and EXPANDING what was already a DYING industry.  So now we have this problem and you and the PPP have the ballz to blame every one except the people who deserve to be blamed.

If the business of the PPP was to safe guard jobs in Linden, tell me why they didn't!

Every point you try to raise could have been used about the bauxite workers.

But you will scream that bauxite workers don't matter.

Bump

Guysuco has lost half a billion dollars (US) over the past 10 years, and this Jagdeo clown screams that he has a solution.

And what is his solution?  More debt and more bailouts, because he cannot admit to his core support base that he destroyed their lives by mismanaging Guysuco.

caribny posted:

kp posted:

 To start, it takes a lot more cane today to produce sugar, they don't fertilize and irrigate the fields like before, cutting cost.In Mon Repos there was a research center for the sugar industry, where they constantly developing new strain of cane to adjust the ever changing weather condition, also new chemicals to treat the crops. The government job in any country is to create and save Jobs, other than the people being a burden to the government.

The business of the gov't is to transition people from failing industries.

Which countries in the Caribbean still produce cane for export?  Most of them have SHUT down their sugar industry.  The few who still have it have drastically reduced its size to reduce losses.

The EU gave Guyana $$$ to assist in transitioning away from sugar.

What did the PPP do? SQUANDER it and EXPANDING what was already a DYING industry.  So now we have this problem and you and the PPP have the ballz to blame every one except the people who deserve to be blamed.

If the business of the PPP was to safe guard jobs in Linden, tell me why they didn't!

Every point you try to raise could have been used about the bauxite workers.

But you will scream that bauxite workers don't matter.

Jagdeo is to be blamed for mismanagement of the Sugar Industry.

He is all talk with no substance.

Just Imagine, close the sugar factories, 20,000 plus out of a job then include 20% unemployment, these are tax payers. Soon they will have to ask Exxon Oil for advances to pay their salaries +50% raise. The economics used in the private sector does not apply to the government. Take for example the US government, they constantly have to give "bail out" packages to large businesses, yet allowing the small guys to fail. But Caribny can only see Blackman and Indians, PNC and PPP, the people in Guyana are more united then you fools in North America. A government just got into power and their FIRST agenda is to lay-off people, close business, that's not a good sign for their Future.

kp posted:

Just Imagine, close the sugar factories, 20,000 plus out of a job then include 20% unemployment, these are tax payers. Soon they will have to ask Exxon Oil for advances to pay their salaries +50% raise. The economics used in the private sector does not apply to the government. Take for example the US government, they constantly have to give "bail out" packages to large businesses, yet allowing the small guys to fail. But Caribny can only see Blackman and Indians, PNC and PPP, the people in Guyana are more united then you fools in North America. A government just got into power and their FIRST agenda is to lay-off people, close business, that's not a good sign for their Future.

KP..a point to note not all the sugar factories will be closed.Sugar production will still be there operating at more viable cost.Guysuco employment is around 17,000.

kp posted:

Just Imagine, close the sugar factories, 20,000 plus out of a job then include 20% unemployment, these are tax payers.

If Guysuco continues to keep unproductive estates open it will HAVE to close down.

Guysuco has lost HALF A BILLION dollars (US) over the past 10 years.  This is NOT sustainable. The government CANNOT afford this.

What you all should be debating is what alternative activities can the displaced workers engage in, and what sort of assistance do they need to make this transition.

Many in the gold industry have been displaced due to reduced prices. Do you hear them screaming that the Gov't OWES them a living. No, they just have to find something else to do.

Jamaican farmers face bleak future as EU axes cap on sugar beet production

http://www.theguardian.com/wor...-beet-production-cap

There is a photocopied sign above the desk in the one-room office of the North St Elizabeth Cane Farmers’ Association that reads: “Plan ahead: it wasn’t raining when they built the ark!”

The association represents 564 smallholders growing sugar cane on the hilly margins of the Appleton rum estate in south-west Jamaica – and last week many of them were crowded into this office explaining exactly how their crisis-planning efforts were going.

The forebears of these men and women have been raising and cutting cane here for four centuries, back to slave days, and for nearly all of that time, the sentiment of that office motto would have looked absurd: for the small sugar producers of Jamaica, downpours of one kind or another have never stopped, and there has been precious little time for ark-building.

The last couple of years in “St Bess” have been an exception to that history. The farmers can talk of record production levels, good sugar yields and the first Fairtrade premium – a £39 per tonne bonus paid through a contract with Tate & Lyle – which they have invested in new truck-loading equipment as well as healthcare and education grants.

As ever, however, a flood of bad news is coming. Like most of the bad news this part of the world has ever received, this shift in fortunes has been made in Europe.

From the end of next year a change in EU policy will likely force these cane farmers and hundreds of thousands like them across Jamaica and beyond out of traditional work and into subsistence poverty.

The change is the end to the existing cap on European sugar beet production, which will flood a sugar market already, in anticipation, experiencing historic low prices.

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The removal of the cap is part of a drive among finance ministers to curtail long-term arrangements assisting former European colonies in Africa, the Caribbean and the Pacific (ACP countries).

Under fierce lobbying pressure from multinational sugar processors – Coca-Cola, Nestlé, Mars – the EU argues that the reform is made in the spirit of freer markets and better value for the European shopper. (The market will remain, more free for some than others, however. Beet sugar grown intensively on rotation on European farms will, under the new arrangement, still be subsidised by every taxpayer on the continent at around £18 per tonne.)

In his office in Kingston, George Callaghan, chief executive of the Sugar Industry Authority in Jamaica, calls the change in EU policy an “earth-shattering event” for the island.

He predicts that the price farmers are receiving for cane (£390 per tonne) will be cut by 40% in 12 months, well below their break-even point.

“You have 165,000 persons directly and indirectly employed in cane,” he says. “The alternatives are very few. We have hurricanes here and every other type of crop is destroyed by a storm. Only cane survives.”

One irony is that as part of its sustainability agenda, the EU has since 2007 granted €142m (£105m) to the Jamaican government to privatise the sugar mills, improve productivity and pilot schemes to use cane for renewable energy.

“All the progress made will be lost overnight,” Callaghan says. The shockwaves will be felt far beyond Jamaica. Britain’s own Department for International Development (DfID) predicts that a perfect storm of the new EU beet policy and the current low sugar prices could force 6.4 million people into poverty by 2020 in ACP countries where cane is a staple crop.

I was travelling in the hills of Jamaica last week with a small team from Fairtrade to see at first hand how a few of those 6.4 million people plan to cope.

In the back of a minibus on the winding way up to the Worthy Park estate in the centre of the island, Michael Gidney, CEO of Fairtrade UK, explained the unique problems faced by the cane smallholders.

One is the fact that no European politician wants to talk about trade or humanitarian injustices around sugar. Because of associated health issues, it is the commodity without friends. “No brand wants to headline its presence in their product,” Gidney says. “Chocolate manufacturers will highlight Fairtrade cocoa, but never sugar.”

So this seismic change is passing under the political radar. “DfID’s job with our taxpayer’s pound is to lift people out of poverty,” says Gidney.

“A report has passed their desk saying that millions of people will be driven into poverty and they don’t say a word. In many cases, cane is everything for these farmers and their communities.”

You don’t have to travel far from the corrugated iron shacks that line the roads out of Kingston to understand the truth of that statement.

A sign at the entrance to the Worthy Park estate announces that it has been in continuous cane production since 1670. That production – and the (unmentioned) brutal West African slave trade that supported it – was the great cash machine of the British empire.

Towards the end of the 18th century, William Pitt the Younger estimated that four-fifths of British overseas income originated in the sugar trade. Jamaica was “a constant mine whence Britain draws prodigious riches”.

The grand Georgian squares of Bristol and London were built on the forced labour of plantations such as Worthy Park.

A couple of centuries later it was also, naturally, in these hills that the clamour for an independent Jamaica became insistent, with a general strike that began among sugar farmers and cane cutters. Jamaica’s two main political parties grew out of that movement.

The farmers remain at the sharp end of Jamaican history. The irony of their imminent catastrophe is that, in a community that has only ever known back-breaking work and precarious income, they have, these past couple of years, never had it so good.

Fitzroy Douglas, a bright-eyed 72-year-old, is chairman of the 1,500 Worthy Park cane farmers’ association smallholders and farms seven hectares. “When sugar is down, we go down with it,” he says, “when it comes up, we rise.”

The Worthy Park group was the first on the island to achieve Fairtrade certification. The contract with Tate & Lyle (which sells a Fairtrade-branded product in the UK) has given them an aggregated stipend this year of £375,000.

“It took a while to believe,” Douglas says, with a smile. “There were many stipulations, the phasing out of some dangerous chemicals and proper auditing. But we have got the right fertiliser and educated the 17 local groups here in best practice.”

They start to renegotiate their contract with Tate & Lyle, and begin to face the new reality, next month.

Further up into the hills, we watch some of that association-bought fertiliser (discounted because of bulk rates, and the currency certainty of the premium paid in US dollars) being distributed from the back of a container.

The farmers queue under an awning in the hot sun awaiting their allocation. They are kept in line – in every sense – by Alexia Ludford, the stepdaughter of Fitzroy Douglas and an eloquent advocate of the Fairtrade model.

A farmer herself, she says: “I do this work for free because I see how far the impacts have gone into the community. For the first time the farmers feel that they have a stake in future.”

It was Ludford who organised the shift from paraquat weedkiller to less toxic pesticides. She unearthed research, she says, that showed paraquat could cause impotence. Overnight she achieved what might have taken a government awareness campaign years.

Andrew Wright is Fairtrade’s Jamaican liaison manager. His father was a cane farmer. “Before he died he dragged me into it,” he says, with a laugh.

“He had 144 acres but I used to complain to him that he never made any money. He said: you do it; make a difference. So he would have been proud seeing some of this, I think.”

Wright is full of schemes and strategy papers to mitigate the challenges ahead. He doesn’t underestimate the crisis but he has faith that at least some of the changes – of empowerment, and adaptability – can be lasting.

While we talk he introduces me to Adolphus Ward, a cane farmer waiting for his fertiliser. Ward is 78. He has worked all his life in the same fields.

“I love the cane,” he says. “I tell you something: we need to step up production. We can pay cutters only 2,000 Jamaican dollars a day [about £12] during harvest. They have to find food and a place to live the year round.”

One of his lifelong problems has been getting his cut cane to the factory in the 72 hours before it spoils.

“All my life I have only one donkey and it is not enough,” he says. “Last year I applied for another donkey [from the Fairtrade premium]. I received two!” His best harvest saw him produce 39 tonnes of cane. This year he hopes for 50 tonnes. “I’m expanding,” he says.

There is a resilience about the farmers that they share with their crop. That rootedness in place could not be better illustrated than in a one-room village store in the parish of Trelawny in the north-west of the island, a couple of hours’ bumpy drive up from the all-inclusive resorts of Montego Bay but in another world entirely.

The store is run by Wellesley Bolt, lifetime cane farmer – he still owns some acres – and father of the fastest man who ever lived.

Last Saturday, like every day, Bolt was serving his few regular customers from behind his counter. In front of him was that morning’s paper which featured news of Usain’s ambition to retire in two years. Wellesley Bolt has no such plans. “I’ll die up here, no doubt,” he tells me, with a laugh.

When Bolt began raising his three children he was also farming cane, as his father had before him. In harvest season, his two sons might help in the fields before school.

“It is hard, rough work. I reaped 200 tonnes one year and I never got a dollar to cover the expense,” he recalls. “The juice was no good, they said.”

It was around then that Bolt decided to open his grocery store, which is stocked with a few baskets of yams and plantains and some household essentials. He talks with quiet amusement about how things have turned out.

He used to run at school, “but in those days we had no timing system so I don’t know how quick, but sure not as quick as my son”.

In another life, he suggests, without those extra hundredths of seconds, Usain might conceivably have gone into the farming, or followed him into the shop. As it is, his son’s fame has helped Bolt senior towards a new 4x4 and a small extension on the back of his house. Has he thought of moving away?

Usain has tried to persuade him a few times. “But it doesn’t make sense for me to leave all the ground work here and start business somewhere else,” he says. “This is home.”

Also visiting Bolt’s shop is Paulette Richards, secretary of the Trelawny cane farmers’ association. She grew up carrying cane on her head over the river from her father’s farm.

She chats with Bolt about the two years from 2010 when the local sugar mill closed and the effect it had on people – a case study of what might come. Things fell apart.

“Sugar is the backbone of this place,” she says. “The whole parish was affected and it was like a ghost town. People planted short crops, peas, potato for themselves.”

Farmers took out loans, which they couldn’t pay; many moved away from the fields to she doesn’t know where. “You don’t have money for children in school. If I used to purchase three pounds of yellow yams now I could only purchase a pound. We are totally depending on the sugar.”

That dependence makes the coming shock more alarming. There are some seed projects exploring a shift to coffee or cocoa and to expand the potential for ethanol production from cane, but those markets take time and resources to access, neither of which the smallholders possess.

Jon Walker, the sugar manager for Fairtrade, has lately represented hope for the farmers. He is now in the uneasy position of counselling about alternatives in a bleaker future. How does that feel?

“It feels sad,” he says. “It feels unjust. It feels that we need to make it known that these communities are facing probably terminal decline, very soon.”

Where does he direct those efforts?

“The UK consumer has a big role,” he says. “They need to stick by businesses who stick by these people, who need the Fairtrade premium more than ever.”

And beyond that?

“Those in power have a responsibility to pay attention to people who don’t have votes for them.” Walker says. Currently, 25% of Jamaican sugar comes to Britain. It has been an enduring and one-sided trading relationship. “The problem is these farmers are out of sight and out of mind. And the worst thing is, they always have been.”

FAIRTRADE AND SUGAR
■ The global sugar export trade is worth $47bn.

■ Production is dominated by Brazil, India, the EU, China, Thailand and the US, which produce around 65% of the world’s sugar.

■ Sugar cane is a tall, bamboo-like grass that grows to a height of up to 6 metres (20ft) in mostly tropical countries. It is normally cut by hand and taken to sugar mills. Here the stems are crushed and ground and cane juice is extracted and used to make raw sugar.

■ Fairtrade focuses on sugar cane farmers in African, Caribbean and Pacific countries, including some of the world’s least developed countries.

■ There are just over 37,000 sugar farmers organised into 69 Fairtrade small producer organisations.

■ Half of the €7.4m in Fairtrade Premium funds that Fairtrade sugar farmers earned in 2011 was invested by the producers in business and organisational development or production and processing.

■ Most global sugar production is from sugar cane. About 20% of the world’s sugar comes from sugar beet, which is produced in temperate areas including the EU.

Source: Fairtrade International

Django posted:

kp posted:

Just Imagine, close the sugar factories, 20,000 plus out of a job then include 20% unemployment, these are tax payers. Soon they will have to ask Exxon Oil for advances to pay their salaries +50% raise. The economics used in the private sector does not apply to the government. Take for example the US government, they constantly have to give "bail out" packages to large businesses, yet allowing the small guys to fail. But Caribny can only see Blackman and Indians, PNC and PPP, the people in Guyana are more united then you fools in North America. A government just got into power and their FIRST agenda is to lay-off people, close business, that's not a good sign for their Future.

KP..a point to note not all the sugar factories will be closed.Sugar production will still be there operating at more viable cost.Guysuco employment is around 17,000.

KP wishes to ensure that nothing is done to transform Guysuco into an entity which at least covers its costs, even if not profitable.

Guysuco lost US $85 million last year. 

Why doesn't he talk about the fact that St Kitts shut down their sugar industry because they couldn't afford the losses.  Believe me, it makes more sense to compare Guyana with St Kitts, than with the USA, the world's RICHEST nation.

And guess what? In the USA the subsidies are corruption by wealthy man to snatch money from the poorer tax payers.  BAD example in a nation where many don't have access to proper education or healthcare because of those same subsidies!

And Guyanese are NOT united.  Please don't peddle that lie.

When black people on Linden were starving did the Indians care?  NO!

When the PPP shot down blacks in Linden, did Indians care?  No, and in fact most screamed that it served them right!

Its always interesting that you all scream "we all one" when you all get into trouble.

Source

Wales estate workers and PPP/C Members of Parliament yesterday protested against the planned closure of the estate. Protesters in these photos include former ministers Clement Rohee, Dr Bheri Ramsaran, Dr Jennifer Westford and Irfaan Ali.

Django posted:

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Wales estate workers and PPP/C Members of Parliament yesterday protested against the planned closure of the estate. Protesters in these photos include former ministers Clement Rohee, Dr Bheri Ramsaran, Dr Jennifer Westford and Irfaan Ali.

Very interesting picture.

FC posted:

Django posted:

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Wales estate workers and PPP/C Members of Parliament yesterday protested against the planned closure of the estate. Protesters in these photos include former ministers Clement Rohee, Dr Bheri Ramsaran, Dr Jennifer Westford and Irfaan Ali.

Very interesting picture.

Goat wearin suit an tie tarasssss.

caribny posted:

kp posted:

...........................The government job in any country is to create and save Jobs, other than the people being a burden to the government.

The business of the gov't is to transition people from failing industries.

Which countries in the Caribbean still produce cane for export?  Most of them have SHUT down their sugar industry.  The few who still have it have drastically reduced its size to reduce losses.

The EU gave Guyana $$$ to assist in transitioning away from sugar.

What did the PPP do? SQUANDER it and EXPANDING what was already a DYING industry.  So now we have this problem and you and the PPP have the ballz to blame every one except the people who deserve to be blamed.

If the business of the PPP was to safe guard jobs in Linden, tell me why they didn't!

Every point you try to raise could have been used about the bauxite workers.

But you will scream that bauxite workers don't matter.

 This is good, even though dem guys playin blind, they doan read anything about truth..dem boys like read Guyana Times.

Jagdeo is a champion for all Guyanese.

Afros and Indos are now uniting to fight the useless AFC/PNC administration.

caribny posted:

Bibi Haniffa posted:

Yet you all were screaming to get the Chinese out of Guyana. Bai Shan Lin were bad under Jagdeo government.  Now they are good under the PNC government.

Who is saying that the Chinese are good.  Only the Indo KKK set, and only when it is blacks who suffer. The same morons will squeal if Guysuco is sold to the Chinese, as they know that Guyanese will lose jobs, and Chinese will replace them in the cane fields and the factories.

Immigrants [legal/educated] keep the US going strong on high energy.  They should post Lindeners to Brooklyn and post some Chinese/Indian workers to rejuvenate the Guyana work force!

Django posted:

Look at my boy there!!!  Listen to the people!  Happy birthday to the People's President.  God bless you buddy.  

Tola posted:

Django posted:

Neglect and poor management for the past 40+ yrs caused all those issues,lots of money have to be pumped to bring it back to profitability,is it worth it?? downsize is a better option,GUYSUCO is a dead weight for the Government,it is not even marketable.

Reflecting upon some of the industry, Burnham and Jagan screw up big time by nationalizing sugar and bauxite,they should have done a partnership deal with the owners,too late now no turning back.

Also, when Jagdeo stop using the workers in the sugar industry for his political purpose and suggest ways for sustainable development,  there might be positive outlook for the workers.    

Did your friends not block one of the biggest sustainable development project [Amelia], one backed by Norway, the world leader in sustainable development?  That project would have propelled Guyana's development forward and mitigate the declines in other traditional mainstays.  You people are sheer useless hot gas!!

Bibi Haniffa posted:

Django posted:

Look at my boy there!!!  Listen to the people!  Happy birthday to the People's President.  God bless you buddy.  

The PNC cannot argue/win on facts, so the go off bullyism!  This is the PNC we ran from!!

Bibi Haniffa posted:

Django posted:

 

Look at my boy there!!!  Listen to the people!  Happy birthday to the People's President.  God bless you buddy.  

Bibi..as i say to each his own,here is my take Jagdeo is not being truthful sugar is not viable in Guyana under the current state of the industry,he had ample time to turn the industry around to become profitable by diversification for example ethanol and electricity generation "which he is touting".

The industry was totally mismanaged,the current polder system is costly"TK mentioned that"i posted some videos here how sugar is production is done in the US by mechanization,the industry is still stuck in 19 century mode,workers are mislead that there is light at the end of the tunnel.

Django posted:

Bibi Haniffa posted:

Django posted:

 

Look at my boy there!!!  Listen to the people!  Happy birthday to the People's President.  God bless you buddy.  

Bibi..as i say to each his own,here is my take Jagdeo is not being truthful sugar is not viable in Guyana under the current state of the industry,he had ample time to turn the industry around to become profitable by diversification for example ethanol and electricity generation "which he is touting".

The industry was totally mismanaged,the current polder system is costly"TK mentioned that"i posted some videos here how sugar is production is done in the US by mechanization,the industry is still stuck in 18 century mode,workers are mislead that there is light at the end of the tunnel.

Alyuh cannot think out of the box.  TK seem consumed with ethanol, something viable at $70 DPB.  It's a non-starter.  What Guyana needs is more downstream agro and other industries which would vertically bolt on base products like sugar as part of a larger value-chain.  This would give any Govt more flexibility using tax rules to preserve the industry and jobs.  But alyuh instead, block progress to this end and are left to deal with the limited value-chain and flexibility which makes the outcome a self-fulfilling prophecy.  Then alyuh turn around and say, we tell yuh so.  This is a loser's philosophy.

baseman posted:

 

Immigrants [legal/educated] keep the US going strong on high energy.  They should post Lindeners to Brooklyn

Thanks to the PPP there are indeed many Lindeners living in Brooklyn. They are highly skilled people who do much to help NY's economy grow.

Of course Guyana now has a severe shortage of skilled workers, so did Guyana benefit?

I suggest that you look into the labor conditions that many of the Chinese work in Guyana.  This is why they bribed APNU to move Broomes, as she was planning to jump all over them.

baseman posted:

 which would vertically bolt on base products like sugar as part of a larger value-chain.  This would give any Govt more flexibility using tax rules to preserve the industry and jobs. 

And why didn't the PPP encourage this in the 23 years that they had to do so.

Now we have Guysuco, which has lost half a billion US dollars in the past 10 years, and a government which can no longer sustain this. We have Guysuco, which owes suppliers, and NIS, and has not been funding their employee benefit plans.

Too late to keep Guysuco alive, without massive changes.

Now run along and pretend as if Jagdeo has any ideas other than screaming "blackman a starve ahbe".

caribny posted:

baseman posted:

 

Immigrants [legal/educated] keep the US going strong on high energy.  They should post Lindeners to Brooklyn

Thanks to the PPP there are indeed many Lindeners living in Brooklyn. They are highly skilled people who do much to help NY's economy grow.

Of course Guyana now has a severe shortage of skilled workers, so did Guyana benefit?

I suggest that you look into the labor conditions that many of the Chinese work in Guyana.  This is why they bribed APNU to move Broomes, as she was planning to jump all over them.

Time for them to go back and retake their country. Let's see how many of them will pack up and join this PNC outfit.

skeldon_man posted:

 

Time for them to go back and retake their country. Let's see how many of them will pack up and join this PNC outfit.

Like you did when your beloved Jagdeo was destroying the country?

caribny posted:

baseman posted:

 which would vertically bolt on base products like sugar as part of a larger value-chain.  This would give any Govt more flexibility using tax rules to preserve the industry and jobs. 

And why didn't the PPP encourage this in the 23 years that they had to do so.

Now we have Guysuco, which has lost half a billion US dollars in the past 10 years, and a government which can no longer sustain this. We have Guysuco, which owes suppliers, and NIS, and has not been funding their employee benefit plans.

Too late to keep Guysuco alive, without massive changes.

Now run along and pretend as if Jagdeo has any ideas other than screaming "blackman a starve ahbe".

Cost of power.  They had to rebuild the scrap-heap your PNC left Guyana, then move beyond the very basics.  Then they had Amelia to transform the economics, but the axis of evil aliances brought it down!!

caribny posted:

baseman posted:

 

Immigrants [legal/educated] keep the US going strong on high energy.  They should post Lindeners to Brooklyn

Thanks to the PPP there are indeed many Lindeners living in Brooklyn. They are highly skilled people who do much to help NY's economy grow.

Very good for the NY economy.  Congrats!

Bibi Haniffa posted:

Yet you all were screaming to get the Chinese out of Guyana. Bai Shan Lin were bad under Jagdeo government.  Now they are good under the PNC government.

The APNU has for all intents and purposes shut down business of bai shan lin. No logs were shipped these past months and their leases to state lands  for mining is under review.

In any event, use your brain and have a personal position if you want to comment on this issues with objectivity. BanShanlin ran rough shod over the PPP and that could have only been so if their palms were well greased. 

Stormborn posted:

Bibi Haniffa posted:

Yet you all were screaming to get the Chinese out of Guyana. Bai Shan Lin were bad under Jagdeo government.  Now they are good under the PNC government.

The APNU has for all intents and purposes shut down business of bai shan lin. No logs were shipped these past months and their leases to state lands  for mining is under review.

In any event, use your brain and have a personal position if you want to comment on this issues with objectivity. BanShanlin ran rough shod over the PPP and that could have only been so if their palms were well greased. 

this is a blatant lie, Bai Shan Lin continues to ship logs as they were given 2 years grace period last November by Trotman. The got to the pnc operatives who couldn't resist a good grease in their pockets. 

Drugb posted:

Stormborn posted:

Bibi Haniffa posted:

Yet you all were screaming to get the Chinese out of Guyana. Bai Shan Lin were bad under Jagdeo government.  Now they are good under the PNC government.

The APNU has for all intents and purposes shut down business of bai shan lin. No logs were shipped these past months and their leases to state lands  for mining is under review.

In any event, use your brain and have a personal position if you want to comment on this issues with objectivity. BanShanlin ran rough shod over the PPP and that could have only been so if their palms were well greased. 

this is a blatant lie, Bai Shan Lin continues to ship logs as they were given 2 years grace period last November by Trotman. The got to the pnc operatives who couldn't resist a good grease in their pockets. 

PPP had their hands greased and the AFC/PNC government is now riding the Greasy Pole.

The AFC/PNC boys love their Greasy Pole.

Stormborn posted:

Bibi Haniffa posted:

Yet you all were screaming to get the Chinese out of Guyana. Bai Shan Lin were bad under Jagdeo government.  Now they are good under the PNC government.

The APNU has for all intents and purposes shut down business of bai shan lin. No logs were shipped these past months and their leases to state lands  for mining is under review.

In any event, use your brain and have a personal position if you want to comment on this issues with objectivity. BanShanlin ran rough shod over the PPP and that could have only been so if their palms were well greased. 

Lard, look who talking about independent thought, Mr read and regurgitate.  Half the time, you don't know shyte, you just write and write to sound smart and informed, but you write all shyte!

baseman posted:

 

Cost of power.  They had to rebuild the scrap-heap your PNC left Guyana, then move beyond the very basics.  Then they had Amelia to transform the economics, but the axis of evil aliances brought it down!!

The PPP hired an Indo crony to build the road to the falls. Millions of dollars later, and no road.

Then you wonder why the PPP wasn't trusted to build a multibillion dollar project.

But an Indo fascist like you, blinded by your racism cannot see this.

caribny posted:

The PPP hired an Indo crony to build the road to the falls. Millions of dollars later, and no road.

Then you wonder why the PPP wasn't trusted to build a multibillion dollar project.

But an Indo fascist like you, blinded by your racism cannot see this.

Ok, then why did your PNC then shelve the project.  You are a clown.

baseman posted:

caribny posted:

The PPP hired an Indo crony to build the road to the falls. Millions of dollars later, and no road.

Then you wonder why the PPP wasn't trusted to build a multibillion dollar project.

But an Indo fascist like you, blinded by your racism cannot see this.

Ok, then why did your PNC then shelve the project.  You are a clown.

Because the project was clouded by massive corruption.

Please discuss why millions of dollars was spent on a road and yet there is NO road. Where is the money? In Jagdeo's pocket?

Why will some one have faith in a multi billion dollar project when such ineptitude is indicated. And then we see a picture  in the EARLY part of the dry season with the water falls DRY!

There are feasibility studies being under taken to determine the most appropriate sites for a fall.

Now go and help your fellow Indo KKK devil count all the money that he stole, by selecting some one who couldn't even build a drive way, yet awarding him the contract to build a road in rough terrain.

This is why 51% of the voters rejected the PPP TWICE!

yuji22 posted:

Bibi Haniffa posted:

Why not debate it?  Is Guyana no longer a democracy?   Dr. Barton Scotland is a twisted man.   Biased to the core.

I AM NOW CONVINCED THAT PARLIAMENT IS GRANGER'S RUBBER STAMP....HE CONTROLS ALL THE MACHINERIES OF GOVERNMENT AND AS SUCH IS ASSUMING THE POSITION OF A DICTATOR. THERE IS NO OTHER EXPLANATION.

Guyana is now an official dictatorship under Granger (Burnham's disciple)

These AFC/PNC skunks in Guyana do not want to debate the closing of the Wales Sugar estate.

You do not debate accounting. You look to correct what it points to. There is no debating an industry already 90 billion in debt demanding 6 billion in subsidies to keep it afloat. You did not complain that the state already borrowed to pay workers this year already. Debating will not bring back Wales. Active spending  via loans to workers with projects and re education  among other financial resources targeting here will afford the society to bootstrap itself more than keeping the industry on life support.