Mandela's 'rainbow nation' vision failed to meet expectations

 

http://news.nationalpost.com/2...harged-south-africa/

 

 

The point is he tried and in his lifetime there has been a Pax Mandeia between the races. In Guyana we have had an on going low level internecine war between the major tribes since the founding of the state. All major political figures have milked that racial division for political gold. We are nowhere in the process of establishing national pride inspiring symbols or a communal creed.

We do not have any national heroes we have racial heroes and these are ethnic martyrs. We do not have racial trust we have racial insecurities always teetering on the boiling point Actually, there is not one tangible thing in our society we can point to and say that represents us as a people.

Whatever elicits pride is for one group or another.  We are a sick, divided and racially jaundiced society. Jagan and the PPP as well as the PNC have a lot to do with our present dilemma. It breeds pernicious racists like the rev and skeldon_ape.    

Perhaps, it is caused by all political parties, recognizing that the AFC is made up of former PPP/C and PNC members.

 

Is there a need for a new organization to forge a path unassociated with the current political groups?

My family don't think highly of Cheddi Jagan. We are pro business and he is anti business. 

Dr Cheddi Jagan needs to be honoured in his own right. He was not a man without honour in Guyana and other countries.

Those who want to equate Dr Jagan with Nelson Mandela, however, are doing the Guyanese leader a great disservice and exposing his memory to derision.

On July 3, 1998, i.e., the year after Cheddi Jagan died, his successor and wife President Janet Jagan met South African President Nelson Mandela in Saint Lucia.

Mr Mandela described Dr Jagan as "one of the great people produced by the Caribbean," according to a Guyana government news release.

Having regard to Mr Mandela's appraisal of Cheddi Jagan as one of the great people produced by the small Caribbean, and having regard to ongoing global appraisal of Nelson Mandela as a world icon, one cannot reasonably be expected to be taken seriously by asserting that Dr Cheddi Jagan was like Mr Mandela.

Cheddi Jagan was Cheddi Jagan. Let's leave him that way, please.

 

 

Jagan turned out to be a big disappointment.  He can never walk in the shadow of Mandela.  I have always contended, CBJ took power with a vast amount of moral authority and he had the respect of many Afros.  In not engaging in a "truth and reconciliation process" like South Africa, he squandered his chance.  Though I was never a supporter of the guy, I still had high hopes that he would have reached out to the other side and take the bold and courageous steps to bridge the intractable divide.

 

Jagan turned out to be just another politician wanting to be ruler.

 

Yes he turned out to be just another politician and refused to make the tough choices. Mr Malcolm Harripaul is best at explaining this. 

Burnham was as great as Mandela. He reached out to to rich Indians to cross the racial divide and made them richer.

Let me start by saying that Mr. Nelson Mandela is the greatest being to ever walk this earth. That said my family were acquainted with Dr Cheddi Jagan and he was a very humble man who basically lived and died poor in a very modest home befitting of him.

 

He could have lived very rich in pretty much any country in the world if he wanted to by just practicing in his trained profession. He sacrificed a lot of himself and family for love of country. Everyone have their flaws and so did Dr Jagan. However, at a time like this people should be focusing on Mandela and let his teachings of love, humility and reconciliation live on. Bless his soul.

Mandela is up there with Lincoln, Gandhi and Dr King.

With regard to being taken seriously and with all due respect to yuji22, Jagan=Mandela just cannot beat a Ralph/Jagdeo ticket in the next election. 

Burnham fought for the freedom of Mr Mandela with all his heart.

 

Under Burnham socialist policies Indians thrived  better than the other races and did pretty well. After Burnham stopped importation of almost every thing, the business community were  was was affected so badly that many had to close their doors. The Portuguese businessmen migrated  to Canada, many established Indian businessmen did the same moving to North America.

What happened though many Indians used the hardship and difficulties and became entrepreneurs. Farmers took advantage of the ban on onions and potatoes and started to plant shallots , Yams and other cash crops  and the next thing they were laughing alll the way to the bank. Indians on the Corentyne   entered into the smuggling business because of the great demand for food items. In a very short period of time many became very very rich and others who worked in the illicit trade also benefited  immensely.

Burnham fought for Mandela with all his heart and at the same time imposed his brand of Afro-apartheid on the Indians of Guyana with all his might. You would find that admirable as you share the same values.  While you lament the Palestinians, you also ready to jump in bed with the sponsors of the oppresors as long as it make you a buck.

LIncoln???   What he did for the World???

Baseman but people like Chief are too stupid to know this or are they blind?

You are blinded by your racism.

Guyanese of every race was affected by Burnham's brand of socialism, your nonsense of "Afro Apparthied on Indians" is just that, nonsense!

And you are blinded by your corrupted values to see where you are talking sheer nonsense.

 

Guyanese of every race got affected after the brutalized Indians left in mass causing the bottom of the economy to fall out.

Nah, corrupted values are his operating norm.

baseman holding on tenaciously to obvious lies and illogic as if his very existence depends on it, nah suh bai?

Now we getting beyond ourselves. No way is Mandela in those foot steps. Tell me, Winnie carried the fight for where black South Africans are today, I would say 'yes'. Mandela, knew he din do much other that his name that Winnie carried.

Nehru, go down to one of those cities in Mississippi and look at the conditions that minorities are living in then you will know the importance of Lincoln.  Better yet go to a city in Alabama then hold hands with a white woman and walk on the main streets. You will understand the importance of Lincoln. Without Lincoln and Gandhi there would be no king. 

He did for America NOT the World. Gandhi taught THE ENTIRE WORLD!!

Listen, Winnie cooked her own pot. Mandela is a very traditional man. The man did not like his woman having affairs with younger men.  She cook her own pot with a young man.

Lincoln lost his life because he was about to give blacks the right to vote.  Booth decided to kill Lincoln after he heard Lincoln was about to do this.  The principles of equality that the man supported had a deep influence on the world.

Pavi, try to expand your perception of the influence of American Presidents on the rest of the world. The Mahatma's principle of non-violence coupled with his astute play of economic and demographic dynamics were lessons for the rest of the world, yes. But you have to associate the aftermath of the partition and nearly a million lives lost with his era. Martin Luther King had the Northern States as a counter-weight plus his was a century-long struggle that had other authors. Yes, Ghandi's peaceful non-violence lesson was one influenced by Ghandi. Lincoln was faced with a nation tearing apart and a civil war that claimed hundreds of thousands of lives. He gave the blueprint for working with extreme interests and had a maniacal Machiavellian pursuit of governance. That is a lesson more associated with the crucible of what Madela faced. All these great men pursued a non-destructive lasting legacy for humanity to live in conflict. You can say Lincoln's legacy is worldly and not just parochial American.

I doan know where u were after Mandela went to prison. It was Winnie on the the television carrying on the fight inside South Africa. She made sure Nelson Mandela's name was constantly repeated. If Kennedy got laid all the time with different women because of stress. Just think of Winne Mandela. I came to Canada September 1967, and it was Winnie Mandela that I saw leading the marches and boycotts inside SA. Then Biko and his trials and death. Mandela was safe in prison-tahnk goodness for that-outside would have been dead.

And you think Burnall should be categorised with the Mahatma, MLK and Mandela?

Excellent point Seignet.

 

Now READ THIS:

 

WINNIE MANDELA ACCUSES NELSON OF "BETRAYING" BLACKS OF SOUTH AFRICA

 

Nelson Mandela has been accused by his former wife of betraying South  Africa's black population.

 

In a savage attack, Winnie Mandela said he had done nothing for the poor and  should not have accepted the Nobel peace prize with the man who jailed him, FW  de Klerk.

 

The comments were made in an interview yesterday with Nadira Naipaul, the wife  of novelist V S Naipaul.

 Link:

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...ks-South-Africa.html

 

 

 

 

We should not cast judgement on anyone.  What we have here is two personalities who morphed in different directions with 27 years of separation.  This occurs with married people who are not even separated.  Whinnie Mandela became a radicalized fighter during that period while Nelson Mandela morphed into a more conciliatory individual during the years on incarceration.

 

Nelson Mandela saw forgiveness and reconciliation as the path to true and full freedom, Whinnie saw a more reactionary method as the path.  Not sure how it will turn out, but my hunch is history will prove Nelson Mandela's path as the winning model.

 

Due to this, the two had irreconcilable differences which led to their personal break up.

rev, the pretend man, not 'worldly' enough to understand that he citing a 3 year-old news item

 

with the Great man, the thoroughly insecure [white homan] wh**emonger and boat brahmin in tow, Nadira Naipaul's gossip fest with the bitter and foolish Winnie Mandela is old news

 

that she [Winnie] subsequently recoiled in horror and denial after the fact, perhaps when apprised of Sir Vidiadhar's visceral hatred of aything blackman or African, is scandalous testimony of her handlers' monumental incompetence and stupidity

 

i would have recommended Paul Theroux's Sir Vidia's Shadow as essential reading for Ms Mandela before she made the ridiculous decision to unburden (in 'private') to the soothing, sympathetic blandishments of her 'sister' . . . the Great bigot's front woman

 

rev, u should be less eager and more careful with the copying & pasting . . . your poor education has a tendency tends to crawl out from under your dress, arite antiman?

Rev's poor education shows. Better he had none at all.

Sorry skeldon-ape, do not read your prejudices into what I say. Not Jagan does not mean therefore Burnham. That is your racism getting ahead of your reasoning

 

FROM THE ECONOMIST MAGAZINE:

 

 

Crime, corruption, massive unemployment levels around 40%---the black population of South Africa is more disadvantaged today than they were when Mandela was behind bars.

 

Hmmmm! Is the Economist saying that Blacks in South Africa were better off under apartheid ?

 

Rev

 

What does that have to do with the issues at hand? Truth or lie; India harbors more people in slavery than all the nations on the planet. Comparatively no other nation in the world has as many ( close to a third) of its citizens as a pariah class Would India be better under colonial domination?

 

You racists do not know when to stop.

Danyael:

 

* Stop with the obfuscation---we are not talking about the Dhoti bais(Indians) in this thread.

 

* The respectable Economist Magazine said that blacks in South Africa today are more disadvantaged than when Nelson was in prison ?

 

* Is that true or false ?

 

Rev

Are you a jackass? Which magazine said that? Provide the evidence.

Hay dummy, the point being made are similar. You do not get your comparative to conclude on the bestiality of South African leadership and a pass on the Indian 6000 year persisting dilemma.

 

The Economist, more bluntly, points out that "misguided governance, low-quality education, skills shortages and massive unemployment levels of around 40%" have made the black population of South Africa "more disadvantaged today than when Nelson Mandela was still behind bars."

 

http://www.slate.com/articles/...eds_new_leaders.html

Blacks can elect their own government. Many are  now in the middle class. They can be part of the cricket team. Black millionaires are evident. That economist is a jackass just like you.