Chief posted:

Mars posted:

Bibi Haniffa posted:

But somebody got double crossed here big time.  Why would Castro support Chandisingh's crossing to the PNC, when the PNC was being orchestrated by the US?  This is some deep seated politics going on here.  In the US this would have been a movie!!!

Burnham made a left turn away from the U.S. at this time. He was in cahoots with Castro and Jagan and they were all taking orders from their Soviet bosses. Castro was the facilitator used by the Russians to bring Burnham and Jagan together in an unholy alliance (Critical Support and later National Front Government) which was used to nationalize the main industries in Guyana.

Until the late great outwitted all of them!!!!!

Burnham was the antithesis of what someone would describe as great in a leader.

In the end he outwitted no one but himself. Castro and Jagan conspired and pulled the ultimate payback on him. He went in to the Public Hospital for a routine operation being carried out by Cuban doctors. He never left under his own steam. Go figure.

I posted in another thread about Moses allegedly wailing at the news of the death of Castro.

Moses was also allegedly taking direct orders from Cuba and crossed the floor (by teaming up with the PNC) to join the PNC just like the rest of Indos who crossed the floor.

Castro wanted a spy in the Granger administration. Judas is a perfect candidate for Havana.

Mars posted:

Chief posted:

Mars posted:

Bibi Haniffa posted:

But somebody got double crossed here big time.  Why would Castro support Chandisingh's crossing to the PNC, when the PNC was being orchestrated by the US?  This is some deep seated politics going on here.  In the US this would have been a movie!!!

Burnham made a left turn away from the U.S. at this time. He was in cahoots with Castro and Jagan and they were all taking orders from their Soviet bosses. Castro was the facilitator used by the Russians to bring Burnham and Jagan together in an unholy alliance (Critical Support and later National Front Government) which was used to nationalize the main industries in Guyana.

Until the late great outwitted all of them!!!!!

Burnham was the antithesis of what someone would describe as great in a leader.

In the end he outwitted no one but himself. Castro and Jagan conspired and pulled the ultimate payback on him. He went in to the Public Hospital for a routine operation being carried out by Cuban doctors. He never left under his own steam. Go figure.

Castro delivered the ultimate payback to Burnham indeed.  And let's not forget that his son-in-law Van West Charles was in the room at public hospital when the fatal blow was delivered to Burnham.  Funny how that same son-in-law has re-surfaced in the Granger administration today.

Why should we believe Ralf .. he waited until Castro pass away to say this... 

He had the opportunity to say this  when he left the PPP ... 

The accuracy of this story is verified by Feroze and others who were close to the powers that were.  And I think Ralph "had to" wait until Castro died before he spill the beans!  His father was there when all of this happened. Even our own patron saint, Gilbakka, knew about the Castro/Chandisingh deal. 

Interesting!!! Were they hoping Chandisingh would gather information from PNC. 

I think so!!  But Chandisingh had his own personal agenda and was bought over by cold, hard, CA$H!!  His Harvard education did him no good.

Bibi Haniffa posted:

I think so!!  But Chandisingh had his own personal agenda and was bought over by cold, hard, CA$H!!  His Harvard education did him no good.

Who knows if Burnham had threatened he rass... 

The Kabaca was capable of doing these stuff... 

Great thread Bibs,all the politicians in the homeland used the people as pawn to get their milk and honey.

I heard that Chandisingh was broke and needed the money.  And Mars answered your question earlier in this thread.  In the end, Castro double-crossed both Burnham and Jagan.  Don't forget whose "Cuban Doctor" put a knife to Burnham's throat at public hospital.

LOL! Bibi allways hearing voices....

Mitwah posted:

LOL! Bibi allways hearing voices....

I hear voices.  But I can spell "allways" correctly.

Bibi Haniffa posted:

I heard that Chandisingh was broke and needed the money.  

You heard wrong. Chandisingh did not need Castro's money in order to support Burnham. I knew him personally. When the PPP sent him on trips abroad and gave him "per diem" funds, on his return he would submit an expense report that included the cigarettes he smoked and hand back leftover funds. No other person, except perhaps the Jagans, did that.

More importantly, in international circles Chandisingh was regarded as more Marxist-Leninist, more indoctrinated, than Jagan. Not for nothing was he Editor of the PPP theoretical-ideological journal "Thunder".

So, the Cubans said Burnham was anti-imperialist and Marxist-Leninist and Chandisingh concurred. He agreed to give unconditional support, not critical support, to Burnham according to his conscience. That is why he left the PPP after the party officially adopted "critical support", that is, about four months after the meeting with Castro in Havana.

His mind was so saturated with Marxism/socialism that Burnham immediately made him a teacher at the Cuffy Ideological Institute on a modest salary. Even when he bacame Minister of Education he did not earn a super-salary. He continued to live in his ordinary two-storey house on Waterloo Street until his death. 

So, take money out of the equation. Ranji Chandisingh always lived a modest and quiet life, his two weaknesses being books and cigarettes.

Bibi Haniffa posted:

I heard that Chandisingh was broke and needed the money.  And Mars answered your question earlier in this thread.  In the end, Castro double-crossed both Burnham and Jagan.  Don't forget whose "Cuban Doctor" put a knife to Burnham's throat at public hospital.

I understand that Chandisingh was not corrupt even under Burnham.  He is/was not a gold digger like Nemakharam Moses.

Gilbakka posted:

Bibi Haniffa posted:

I heard that Chandisingh was broke and needed the money.  

You heard wrong. Chandisingh did not need Castro's money in order to support Burnham. I knew him personally. When the PPP sent him on trips abroad and gave him "per diem" funds, on his return he would submit an expense report that included the cigarettes he smoked and hand back leftover funds. No other person, except perhaps the Jagans, did that.

More importantly, in international circles Chandisingh was regarded as more Marxist-Leninist, more indoctrinated, than Jagan. Not for nothing was he Editor of the PPP theoretical-ideological journal "Thunder".

So, the Cubans said Burnham was anti-imperialist and Marxist-Leninist and Chandisingh concurred. He agreed to give unconditional support, not critical support, to Burnham according to his conscience. That is why he left the PPP after the party officially adopted "critical support", that is, about four months after the meeting with Castro in Havana.

His mind was so saturated with Marxism/socialism that Burnham immediately made him a teacher at the Cuffy Ideological Institute on a modest salary. Even when he bacame Minister of Education he did not earn a super-salary. He continued to live in his ordinary two-storey house on Waterloo Street until his death. 

So, take money out of the equation. Ranji Chandisingh always lived a modest and quiet life, his two weaknesses being books and cigarettes.

Thanks Gil.  The man was not corrupt.  People need to understand that and stop implying that because he worked for Burnham he was corrupt.

I am not saying he was corrupt, I don't know as much as Gil to determine that.  I did hear that he had money problems and his wife wanted to go back to Trinidad where he was born, and I have no way to verify that.

What I do know is that he empowered Burnham to bring Guyana to its knees and eventually crumbled the economy.  So from my vantage point he is not a good man.

Bibi Haniffa posted:

I am not saying he was corrupt, I don't know as much as Gil to determine that.  I did hear that he had money problems and his wife wanted to go back to Trinidad where he was born, and I have no way to verify that.

What I do know is that he empowered Burnham to bring Guyana to its knees and eventually crumbled the economy.  So from my vantage point he is not a good man.

What was critical support?  Did that empower Burnham?

Gil knows this better than me.  (Age before Beauty!!).  But "critical support" was a policy by the PPP (Cheddi) to support the PNC (Burnham) because they share the same Communist Ideology.  As advised by Castro.

Bibi Haniffa posted:

Gil knows this better than me.  (Age before Beauty!!).  But "critical support" was a policy by the PPP (Cheddi) to support the PNC (Burnham) because they share the same Communist Ideology.  As advised by Castro.

 

I guess you didn't get my drift.  I am saying that the PPP empowerd Burnham as much as Chandisingh.  However I must say that i did believe critical support was a good thing at the time even though I was young at the time. 

No use Monday morning quarterbacking at this point.  I leave that up to Caribny and company.

Bibi Haniffa posted:

Mars posted:

Chief posted:

Mars posted:

Bibi Haniffa posted:

But somebody got double crossed here big time.  Why would Castro support Chandisingh's crossing to the PNC, when the PNC was being orchestrated by the US?  This is some deep seated politics going on here.  In the US this would have been a movie!!!

Burnham made a left turn away from the U.S. at this time. He was in cahoots with Castro and Jagan and they were all taking orders from their Soviet bosses. Castro was the facilitator used by the Russians to bring Burnham and Jagan together in an unholy alliance (Critical Support and later National Front Government) which was used to nationalize the main industries in Guyana.

Until the late great outwitted all of them!!!!!

Burnham was the antithesis of what someone would describe as great in a leader.

In the end he outwitted no one but himself. Castro and Jagan conspired and pulled the ultimate payback on him. He went in to the Public Hospital for a routine operation being carried out by Cuban doctors. He never left under his own steam. Go figure.

Castro delivered the ultimate payback to Burnham indeed.  And let's not forget that his son-in-law Van West Charles was in the room at public hospital when the fatal blow was delivered to Burnham.  Funny how that same son-in-law has re-surfaced in the Granger administration today.

Dr. Roger Forbes Luncheon was also in the room when Burnham died .

Here is a quote from THE MITROKHIN ARCHIVE by KGB archivist Vasily Mitrokhin who defected to Britain in 1992:

“By 1976 Cuban intelligence was pessimistic about the prospects for challenging American influence in South America. Manuel Piñeiro, head of the Departamento de America, which was responsible for the export of revolution...said only Guyana was following an anti-imperialist course. 'Forbes Burnham, the Prime Minister of Guyana, shares some of the ideas of Marxism-Leninism, but for tactical reasons is forced to conceal this.'

The Soviets agreed with Piñeiro's assessment. In Burnham's Guyana the Soviet Union decided to build their largest embassy in the English-speaking Caribbean. Piñeiro, also called Red Beard, was head of Castro's security for a long time. He died in 1998.

VVP posted:

Bibi Haniffa posted:

Gil knows this better than me.  (Age before Beauty!!).  But "critical support" was a policy by the PPP (Cheddi) to support the PNC (Burnham) because they share the same Communist Ideology.  As advised by Castro.

 

I guess you didn't get my drift.  I am saying that the PPP empowerd Burnham as much as Chandisingh.  However I must say that i did believe critical support was a good thing at the time even though I was young at the time. 

No use Monday morning quarterbacking at this point.  I leave that up to Caribny and company.

You are correct.  The PPP empowered Burnham as much as Chandisingh did.  The biggest mistake Cheddi made was to listen to Castro and support Burnham because of Communist ideology. Cheddi had a chance to redeem himself and he didn't.  He should have partnered with D'Aguiar and Jimmy Carter, who was a newly elected president of the US, and take that Guyana government back!!!!

Eventually Carter felt sorry for their foolishness and decided to help the PPP in 1992. 

Bibi Haniffa posted:

Cheddi did not stand up to Kennedy and Churchill.  He rolled over and played dead.  Castro was the one who stood up to them. .

Oh Yes Castro did, slaughtered thousands, and imprisoned multiple times more. Reduced what was once the 4th richest nation in the Americas to a land where people tie pieces of wood to tires, add an engine, and then hope that they don't end up in a tiger shark's belly.   And where doctors spread open their legs at the prospect of a fresh panty.

You all praise Castro and cuss Burnham when they were NO DIFFERENT!

At least Burnham rigged elections and allowed the PPP to scream in parliament.  In Castro land, no elections and all who don't sing his praises JAIL. And that is an improvement as it used to be FIRING SQUAD!

caribny posted

Oh Yes Castro did, slaughtered thousands, and imprisoned multiple times more. Reduced what was once the 4th richest nation in the Americas to a land where people tie pieces of wood to tires, add an engine, and then hope that they don't end up in a tiger shark's belly.   And where doctors spread open their legs at the prospect of a fresh panty.

 

Is which hole you does get this $hit from.  I guess I just answered my question LOL.

What is the GDP of Cuba bai? And who was the ruler prior to Castro??

Bibi Haniffa posted:

Mitwah posted:

LOL! Bibi allways hearing voices....

I hear voices.  But I can spell "allways" correctly.

Bibi, I see  your teacher instincts kicked in . Thanks for being so nice to me and for the correction. You certainly made a me stronger person. You are a great coach.

I am surprised that none of you mentioned that the Cubans badly needed to use Atkinson Air force base in Guyana to move Troops and military equipments to Angola.  In exchange for using the base the Cubans armed and trained the Guyana's Peoples Militia.  A few fanatic black soldiers from the Guyana Defense Force joined Cuban troops to fight in Angola and were killed by the UNITA rebels headed by the brilliant Dr. Jona Savimbi. In 1975, I watched the commotion in GT as Cuban troops began landing at Atkinson.  Shell Oil company stopped refueling all planes entering and leaving Guyana.  Burnham would declared it "Crisis in Georgetown".  

During this time the Liberator Party's influence began to grow in the country side as Gunraj Kumar angrily told PPP supporters that the PNC have used Cuban guns to ram down a Marxist/Lennist Constitution down our throats.  This statement would be used years after the Castro's visit and the use of Guyana's territory by Cuba in 1975.

Billy - was this somehow related to that Cubana Air disaster in October 1976?

VVP posted:

caribny posted

Oh Yes Castro did, slaughtered thousands, and imprisoned multiple times more. Reduced what was once the 4th richest nation in the Americas to a land where people tie pieces of wood to tires, add an engine, and then hope that they don't end up in a tiger shark's belly.   And where doctors spread open their legs at the prospect of a fresh panty.

 

Is which hole you does get this $hit from.  I guess I just answered my question LOL.

What is the GDP of Cuba bai? And who was the ruler prior to Castro??

Cannot remember who the previous president of Cuba was. I am in my late 50s and the only leader that Cuba has had was this man. He has had no election, and has arrested the entire opposition, and in the 60s and 70s subjected them to the firing squad.

Yet you all praise Castro and cuss out Burnham.  The hypocrisy is amazing.

Cuban doctors, sent to the Caribbean try to stay their with many marrying locals to do so. I never hear of Caribbean students marrying Cubans to stay there.

Cubans earn US$20 per month, even WORSE than Haitians.  Not only this, but they earn it in a currency which is VALUELESS in Cuba. Only those with access to US dollars, who work in tourism, or who are part of Cuba's elite have access to the currency which doesn't limit them to government stores.  There is NOTHING in the government stores.  Think of Guyana Stores in the 80s!

So we see Cubans flocking to Guyana to buy panties, just as Guyanese use to go to Trinidad!  If you toss a pair of jeans in the air a fight will start as people try to grab it, just as if you tossed food to a mob of stray dogs.

THAT is what Castro did to Cuba!  Now you lot can crown him GOD merely because he cussed out the USA. Yes great. His family live well, with his grand daughter regularly partying in clubs in downtown Manhattan.  This as a poor Cuban is arrested because they bought pork in the countryside, brought it to Havana, and then tried to sell it.

I don't think so.  Cubana air disaster was a terrible thing.

Castro improved the naval skills of Cubans. Cubans learned how to stay on anything that can float on the ocean towards Miami.

Cuban will become the 51st State.  

caribny posted:

Cannot remember who the previous president of Cuba was.

 

Let me help you, google Fulgencio Batista.  Here are some stats from wikipedia:

PPP is not a legitimate measure for small nations with very open economies.  A high % of what Cubans consume is imported.

BTW throw away these stats. A 1.5% poverty rate in Cuba is clearly false. Try more like 40%.

And as to 72% of the economy being services. Hell Cubans barely have cell phones and wireless internet access is almost impossible to find. So aside from tourism what services do they have?

I note that you are too embarrassed to tell us when Batista was removed from power.  It was 1959.

Now how come Castro was in power so long?  Did he win every election? Were there free and fair elections?  Did Cubans have a chance to decide whether they wished him to remain in power?

And what did Castro do to those Cubans who disagreed with him?

Average wage in Cuba is under US$30/monthly and you seriously expect people to believe this.  The rations that they get are quickly exhausted, the gov't stores empty, so they must buy from private stores. These stores do NOT accept the currency most easily accessible to most Cubans.

Clearly the salary earned by those who aren't senior party members, army officers, or who do not work in the tourism sector, or get money from overseas relatives.

Cuba is a land where parents must figure out how to make a chicken and 2 eggs last a week!

In 1959 Cuba was a country of tremendous income inequality with rampant prostitution.  In 2016 it is a country of tremendous income inequality and rampant prostitution.

Here is the difference. Some of the prostitutes are young female doctors who earn Cuban pesos and so find kind foreign men to offer them money or panties.

caribny posted:

Here is the difference. Some of the prostitutes are young female doctors who earn Cuban pesos and so find kind foreign men to offer them money or panties.

Panty for punani, hmmm, dats like offering someone a roti and they offer you the filling for it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqEFDzq7TCg

VVP will try to pretend that a nation like this has a 1.5% poverty rate.

In the meantime buildings in Havana suddenly collapse, killing people, and leaving others homeless. 

Then there is the gentrifications. Buildings repaired and their former dwellers banished to live 2 hours away from their jobs. In a nation with an almost non existent mass transit.

And now a new capitalist class emerges, driving up living costs, and making life even more difficult for the majority.

Batista=Castro.   Cuba in 2016 is NOT the socialist paradise that VVP screams that it is.

Cheddi didn't die in a Havana  hospital. He died in Washington DC.  Janet died in Trinidad.  NEITHER of these communists used Cuban hospitals, which would have been a whole lot cheaper, if this "free healthcare" is to be believed.

cain posted:

caribny posted:

Here is the difference. Some of the prostitutes are young female doctors who earn Cuban pesos and so find kind foreign men to offer them money or panties.

Panty for punani, hmmm, dats like offering someone a roti and they offer you the filling for it.

I think that VVP includes incomes derived from the sale of punani so that is why only 1.5% are poor.

VVP posted:

I guess you didn't get my drift.  I am saying that the PPP empowerd Burnham as much as Chandisingh.  However I must say that i did believe critical support was a good thing at the time even though I was young at the time. 

No use Monday morning quarterbacking at this point.  I leave that up to Caribny and company.

I remember my parents hated Jagan's critical support.  They did not trust Burnham, were not fans of Jagan and felt that move provided Burnham the cover to screw over hard-working Indians!

caribny posted:

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Here is the difference. Some of the prostitutes are young female doctors who earn Cuban pesos and so find kind foreign men to offer them money or panties.

Caribj, what's it with this topic that gives you such a hard-on (no pun[ani] intended?  What it is for you?

ba$eman posted:

caribny posted:

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Here is the difference. Some of the prostitutes are young female doctors who earn Cuban pesos and so find kind foreign men to offer them money or panties.

Caribj, what's it with this topic that gives you such a hard-on (no pun[ani] intended?  What it is for you?

Because Cuba must be the only country in the world where the doctors are so poor that they must sell their bodies for food or panties.

VVP is trying to tell us that Cubans are richer than Bahamians.

caribny posted

VVP is trying to tell us that Cubans are richer than Bahamians.

Where did I say that?  From what I understand from people who visited Cuba the people are content because they see themselves in a struggle against the USA embargo.  The Canadians who vacation there that I talked to love the place.

I would like to visit to see for myself but the USA blocks me.   I thought we had freedom of travel in the US. 

I would like to see the embargo end and free and fair elections WITHOUT US interference.  Let the people decide!