* My Mom has made it very clearly to her children that she does not want to be hooked up to any machines.

* She has instructed us to sign the DO NOT RESUSCITATE(DNR) in the event of a medical crisis.

* Mom signed the DNR when her Mom---my grandmother-- had a serious stroke.

* My youngest sister is wicked---she said---don't worry Mom---we'll pull the plug before they put it in.hahaha

* The youngest child always gets away with stupid-ness----Mom had a good laugh.

Rev

* OK! You folks know who Dr. Christian Barnard was ?

* He performed the world's first successful human to human heart transplant.

* Dr. Barnard was 100% right---"if treatment does not alleviate suffering, but only prolongs life, that treatment should stop."

* AGREE OR DISAGREE ?

Rev

Rev, nice thread! Where is Heaven?

Rev, serious thread, quite unlike your others. My dad & 7 siblings have been busy making lots of decisions recently about my mom. 2 days ago in hospital she weakly whispered to my dad something she wants me to have after she's gone, in addition to what's in her Will. Is this a sign she's going soon? I don't know what to think. Only prayers and positive thoughts can now ease our minds.  

This is a sign, pray for the best.

Observer:

* When the time comes for your loving mother to depart she will depart.

* We have all lost loved ones---and we all know losing a loved one is  tragic.

* Your Mom knows her feeling---in her mind she's probably thinking---I don't have much longer.

* You must be a special and incredible child---your Mom's thinking about you---and what she wants you to have after she departs.

* HERE'S THE DEAL OBSERVER.

* Given your Mom's medical condition----would you want her to be treated just so that they could prolong her life.

* Here is Dr. Christian Barnard's comments again:

* I have shared my Mom's viewpoint above.

* My Mom says she wants to die peacefully---she does not want to be hooked up to machines to be kept alive.

* And she instructed us to sign the DO NOT RESUSITATE(DNR)---if it ever comes to that----Mom signed the DNR when my grandmother suffered a stroke---my grandmother passed on peacefully within a week.

Rev

WALL STREET JOURNAL ARTICLE

"WHY DOCTORS DIE DIFFERENTLY"

What's unusual about doctors is not how much treatment they get compared with most Americans, but how little.          Arthur Giron

Years ago, Charlie, a highly respected orthopedist and a mentor of mine, found a lump in his stomach. It was diagnosed as pancreatic cancer by one of the best surgeons in the country, who had developed a procedure that could triple a patient's five-year-survival odds—from 5% to 15%—albeit with a poor quality of life.

 

Charlie, 68 years old, was uninterested. He went home the next day, closed his practice and never set foot in a hospital again. He focused on spending time with his family. Several months later, he died at home. He got no chemotherapy, radiation or surgical treatment. Medicare didn't spend much on him.

 

Doctors don't want to die any more than anyone else does. But they usually have talked about the limits of modern medicine with their families. They want to make sure that, when the time comes, no heroic measures are taken. During their last moments, they know, for instance, that they don't want someone breaking their ribs by performing cardiopulmonary resuscitation (which is what happens when CPR is done right).

Click on the link to read more:

http://online.wsj.com/news/art...04577243321242833962

Rev

* SEATTLE Seahawks WIN.---head to Superbowl XLVIII(48) in New York---vs Peyton Manning and the Broncos.

* Sehawks 23 San Francisco 17

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* Chami---Did you really have  a CPR done ?

* Check this:

Cardiopulmonary resuscitation (CPR) is an emergency procedure for manually preserving brain function until further measures to restore spontaneous blood circulation and breathing in a person who is in cardiac arrest.

* Glad you recovered.

Rev

it is heart breaking watching someone one hooked up to those tubes. You are pretty much brain dead.

* Damn! You surely had a close call chameli.

Anaphylaxis is a serious allergic reaction that is rapid in onset and may cause death. It typically causes a number of symptoms including an itchy rash, throat ...

* Anyway, your maker wasn't ready to welcome you back to paradise.

* But the law of life remains intact---when our time is up---we gotta go.

* The big question is do we want to go peacefully like doctors or do we want to be hooked up to machines and endure torturous treatments ?

Rev

MS. KENNEDY WAS ONLY 64 WHEN SHE CHOSE TO DIE AT HOME

* She had cancer of the lymphatic system.

* She had previously undergone torturous chemo treatments.

* The cancer kept spreading.

* The doctors told her they couldn't stop the spread of the cancer but they could continue with the chemo treatments.

* Ms. Kennedy stopped the chemo treatment and chose to die at home.

* 64 IS YOUNG---but when your time is up---your time is up.

* THAT IS LIFE.

* Ms. Kennedy could have chosen to fight and live a while longer----but she would have suffered---no quality of life.

* SHE MADE THE WISE CHOICE.

Rev

Hooking up the terminally ill to these life saving machines is a way to fleece medicare. Brings a lot of money to the hospital. I would not want to stress my family with this burden. If I have to go, let me go. DNR.

skelly:

* You are dead right about the fleecing of medicare. Check this:

* Medicare, the health insurance program for the elderly(in the US), spends nearly 30 percent of its budget on beneficiaries in their final year of life.

 

* Slightly more than half of Medicare dollars are spent on patients who die within two months.

* Monies spent on trying to prolong life is wasted money.

* I like the British and Japanese system---once it's determined the patient has no chance of surviving----treatment is stopped---no effort is made to prolong life.

* Anyone familiar with the Canadian medical system---do they attempt to prolong life or do they just dose you up with sleep medication and pain medication and let you die naturally ?

Rev

they hook you up on the machine when you brain dead,you better not try crossing this border we will hook you up for sure 

AMRAL POSTED THIS REGARDING MARA

I got this update from Vince

 

I recently passed through Vancouver and got an update about Meharam [Mara] Sugrim. He is still in bed disabled with a stroke. He could recognize people and voices, but unable to speak.

HERE WAS POSTER BGurd-See COMMENT:

"This is no way for a human to live after 6 months, I am confident that he would rather pass on than exist so incapacitated. Sometimes our medical systems are too advanced to our detriment, keeping us alive in defiance of our maker's plans." BGurd_See

Rev

Dr. Christian Barnard's comments again:

Rev

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