Latest information, a few minites ago is that the U.S. Secret Service is pursuing an investigation regarding the statement made by Al Baldasaro.

Demerara_Guy posted:

Latest information, a few minites ago is that the U.S. Secret Service is pursuing an investigation regarding the statement made by Al Baldasaro.

Excellent. Too much nonsense from these idiots.

ksazma posted:

Excellent. Too much nonsense from these idiots.

While each person rightly has his/her preference on the now two main presidential candidates, the statement recorded on this situation indeed is way out of the bounds of civility of expressions

Why can't those backing the demon Trump see that anywhere that idiot and his bunch of clowns go or says is always about some form of violence?

I have high confidence in the intelligence of the majority of the American People.  Trump has the Trailer Trash Redneck Votes but HIllary has the winning number.  Just my two cents.

Nehru posted:

I have high confidence in the intelligence of the majority of the American People.  Trump has the Trailer Trash Redneck Votes but HIllary has the winning number.  Just my two cents.

With your recent sentiments about all Masjids and Muslims should be on the rader, you fit in more with Donald Trump and his hate.

However your above statement is welcoming.  Hope you can spend some time to understand that the terrorists who are causing mayhem in the world , are not what the noble religion of Islam teaches.

Chief posted:

Nehru posted:

I have high confidence in the intelligence of the majority of the American People.  Trump has the Trailer Trash Redneck Votes but HIllary has the winning number.  Just my two cents.

With your recent sentiments about all Masjids and Muslims should be on the rader, you fit in more with Donald Trump and his hate.

However your above statement is welcoming.  Hope you can spend some time to understand that the terrorists who are causing mayhem in the world , are not what the noble religion of Islam teaches.

Oh like you worried about your Masjid being looked into, can you mtell us why??  Are their surprises at your Masjid??  Are these Videos, computers, Notes that can be damaging if the FBi come calling???  Hope you dont get a bloody heart attack!!!

Chief posted:

Nehru posted:

I have high confidence in the intelligence of the majority of the American People.  Trump has the Trailer Trash Redneck Votes but HIllary has the winning number.  Just my two cents.

With your recent sentiments about all Masjids and Muslims should be on the rader, you fit in more with Donald Trump and his hate.

However your above statement is welcoming.  Hope you can spend some time to understand that the terrorists who are causing mayhem in the world , are not what the noble religion of Islam teaches.

Why can't the mullahs, ayatollahs and all these educated muslim scholars come out publicly and denounce these terrorist groups and terrorist acts? Is terrorism taught in the masjids?

Chief posted:

Nehru posted:

I have high confidence in the intelligence of the majority of the American People.  Trump has the Trailer Trash Redneck Votes but HIllary has the winning number.  Just my two cents.

With your recent sentiments about all Masjids and Muslims should be on the rader, you fit in more with Donald Trump and his hate.

However your above statement is welcoming.  Hope you can spend some time to understand that the terrorists who are causing mayhem in the world , are not what the noble religion of Islam teaches.

Chief - what have you done to help victims of terrorist attacks in America? 

alena06 posted:

Chief posted:

Nehru posted:

I have high confidence in the intelligence of the majority of the American People.  Trump has the Trailer Trash Redneck Votes but HIllary has the winning number.  Just my two cents.

With your recent sentiments about all Masjids and Muslims should be on the rader, you fit in more with Donald Trump and his hate.

However your above statement is welcoming.  Hope you can spend some time to understand that the terrorists who are causing mayhem in the world , are not what the noble religion of Islam teaches.

Chief - what have you done to help victims of terrorist attacks in America? 

What I cannot understand about Chief is that he is a devout Muslim who follows the teachings of Islam. Islam teaches that a Muslim should not befriend and infidel. If you change from Islam to another religion, you should be stoned to death. Jews are the perennial enemies of Islam, yet Chief has a lot of praise for them. Why Chief?

alena06 posted:

Chief - what have you done to help victims of terrorist attacks in America? 

How 'bout you? Have you?

Chief, if you put yourself in the Average Joe Blow's shoes, you'd understand why they call for surveillance of Mosques and Islamic Centers. Being data-driven Intelligence agencies and law enforcement must use the tools at their disposal to prevent terrorism. It may not be fair to most but it is what it is. As the days go by and the Intelligence says that terrorism is perpetrated by mental nut cases with no ties to Islam, mosques or Islamic Centers, then it would help Muslims as it would clear them from part of the Intelligence community's arsenal. If there are Imams who call for terrorism then the bad actors would be watched.

The danger though is to extrapolate this law enforcement necessity and paint a religion with terrorism. It certainly does not help in fight against terrorism - Islamic or otherwise.

Kari posted:

alena06 posted:

Chief - what have you done to help victims of terrorist attacks in America? 

How 'bout you? Have you?

Alena - you betta watch out.  The whole GNI Taliban coming pan you!!!!!

skeldon_man posted:

Chief posted:

Nehru posted:

I have high confidence in the intelligence of the majority of the American People.  Trump has the Trailer Trash Redneck Votes but HIllary has the winning number.  Just my two cents.

With your recent sentiments about all Masjids and Muslims should be on the rader, you fit in more with Donald Trump and his hate.

However your above statement is welcoming.  Hope you can spend some time to understand that the terrorists who are causing mayhem in the world , are not what the noble religion of Islam teaches.

Why can't the mullahs, ayatollahs and all these educated muslim scholars come out publicly and denounce these terrorist groups and terrorist acts? Is terrorism taught in the masjids?

The regular news media don't want to show how clerics condemn terrorism...it goes against the rheotoric they want Americans to follow

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...dfa1e4b009377b249dea

skeldon_man posted:

Chief posted:

 

Hope you can spend some time to understand that the terrorists who are causing mayhem in the world , are not what the noble religion of Islam teaches.

Why can't the mullahs, ayatollahs and all these educated muslim scholars come out publicly and denounce these terrorist groups and terrorist acts? Is terrorism taught in the masjids?

Bai, did you just ask Chief to publicly denounce what he just publicly denounced?

alena06 posted:

Chief - what have you done to help victims of terrorist attacks in America? 

Lena,  I gave blood. I was on the phone just after 9/11 to donate blood.

Nehru posted:

Chief posted:

Nehru posted:

I have high confidence in the intelligence of the majority of the American People.  Trump has the Trailer Trash Redneck Votes but HIllary has the winning number.  Just my two cents.

With your recent sentiments about all Masjids and Muslims should be on the rader, you fit in more with Donald Trump and his hate.

However your above statement is welcoming.  Hope you can spend some time to understand that the terrorists who are causing mayhem in the world , are not what the noble religion of Islam teaches.

Oh like you worried about your Masjid being looked into, can you mtell us why??  Are their surprises at your Masjid??  Are these Videos, computers, Notes that can be damaging if the FBi come calling???  Hope you dont get a bloody heart attack!!!

If ever heard about do nothing fear nothing?

What I am dissapoi ted with is people like you who grew up with Guyanese Muslims,  who are supposed  to be aware how we collect money house to house to build our places of worship and. Ow you turn around screaming on top of your voice that our Masjids should be investigated and we are preaching violence.

Isn't that sad? ISIS killed more muslims than non muslims and today men like you and a few others are cheering the death of Muslims by ISIS whilst at the sa.e time calling for American Muslims to be monitered.

Chief posted:

 

If ever heard about do nothing fear nothing?

What I am dissapoi ted with is people like you who grew up with Guyanese Muslims,  who are supposed  to be aware how we collect money house to house to build our places of worship and. Ow you turn around screaming on top of your voice that our Masjids should be investigated and we are preaching violence.

Isn't that sad? ISIS killed more muslims than non muslims and today men like you and a few others are cheering the death of Muslims by ISIS whilst at the sa.e time calling for American Muslims to be monitered.

The reality is that your masjid is probably already being monitored so to call for an investigation is unnecessary. When was the last time that an established mosque or registered Muslim charity organization in America been charged with any terror related crime.

ksazma posted:

alena06 posted:

Chief - what have you done to help victims of terrorist attacks in America? 

Lena,  I gave blood. I was on the phone just after 9/11 to donate blood.

Excellent Ksaz!

Kari posted:

alena06 posted:

Chief - what have you done to help victims of terrorist attacks in America? 

How 'bout you? Have you?

Hehe..No one asked you!! Chief knows how to answer.

skeldon_man posted:

 

Why can't the mullahs, ayatollahs and all these educated muslim scholars come out publicly and denounce these terrorist groups and terrorist acts? Is terrorism taught in the masjids?

They already have.  What they need to figure out is why Muslim extremists bomb and kill with inspirations from the Koran, and fanatics from other religions don't do it to the same degree.

skeldon_man posted:

What I cannot understand about Chief is that he is a devout Muslim who follows the teachings of Islam. Islam teaches that a Muslim should not befriend and infidel. If you change from Islam to another religion, you should be stoned to death. Jews are the perennial enemies of Islam, yet Chief has a lot of praise for them. Why Chief?

Wrong.

caribny posted:

skeldon_man posted:

Why can't the mullahs, ayatollahs and all these educated muslim scholars come out publicly and denounce these terrorist groups and terrorist acts? Is terrorism taught in the masjids?

They already have.  What they need to figure out is why Muslim extremists bomb and kill with inspirations from the Koran, and fanatics from other religions don't do it to the same degree.

It may be that religion is such a central aspect of Muslims' lives that even the wicked sees it as a ready crutch to screen their actions. The vast majority of adherents of the Qur'an are not inspired by it to do evil but anyone can take a passage or a part of a passage without it's context to justify their actions.

Skeldonman just want to keep up with the ignorants.

ksazma posted:

skeldon_man posted:

What I cannot understand about Chief is that he is a devout Muslim who follows the teachings of Islam. Islam teaches that a Muslim should not befriend and infidel. If you change from Islam to another religion, you should be stoned to death. Jews are the perennial enemies of Islam, yet Chief has a lot of praise for them. Why Chief?

Wrong.

What does this mean?

Koran 5.51 - O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

ksazma posted:

caribny posted:

skeldon_man posted:

Why can't the mullahs, ayatollahs and all these educated muslim scholars come out publicly and denounce these terrorist groups and terrorist acts? Is terrorism taught in the masjids?

They already have.  What they need to figure out is why Muslim extremists bomb and kill with inspirations from the Koran, and fanatics from other religions don't do it to the same degree.

It may be that religion is such a central aspect of Muslims' lives that even the wicked sees it as a ready crutch to screen their actions. The vast majority of adherents of the Qur'an are not inspired by it to do evil but anyone can take a passage or a part of a passage without it's context to justify their actions.

The vast majority of the adherents have seen their religion captured by a few. Given the fact that Jews (Israelis) have a vested interest in stigmatizing Islam, and most Christians are ignorant of the fact that Islam and Christianity are one and the same (which makes the notion of "Christian infidels and Muslim heathens a sick joke)  Muslims cannot allow a few lunatics in madrasahs in South Asia, or rich nomads in Saudi Arabia to destroy the religion.

You all need to put a stop to this because the vast majority of those who die are Muslims.  In The Middle East, in Africa, and in South Asia!

Mars posted:

ksazma posted:

skeldon_man posted:

What I cannot understand about Chief is that he is a devout Muslim who follows the teachings of Islam. Islam teaches that a Muslim should not befriend and infidel. If you change from Islam to another religion, you should be stoned to death. Jews are the perennial enemies of Islam, yet Chief has a lot of praise for them. Why Chief?

Wrong.

What does this mean?

Koran 5.51 - O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

I am a little bit wary of literal interpretations of this ancient books.

Kaz might quote you a bible passage discussing slaves should honor their masters.   Clearly irrelevant in this era, and just evidence that these are all written by man, and not by God.

Mars posted:

What does this mean?

Koran 5.51 - O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

Context. This passage came after a string of betrayal of their agreements with the Muslims. It is not a be all end all of Muslim's attitude toward Jews and Christians. Although even today we can still see Jews and Christians banding together against Muslims.

Mars posted:

ksazma posted:

skeldon_man posted:

What I cannot understand about Chief is that he is a devout Muslim who follows the teachings of Islam. Islam teaches that a Muslim should not befriend and infidel. If you change from Islam to another religion, you should be stoned to death. Jews are the perennial enemies of Islam, yet Chief has a lot of praise for them. Why Chief?

Wrong.

What does this mean?

Koran 5.51 - O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

Christians and Jews are not infidels, they are people of the book.

ksazma posted:

Mars posted:

What does this mean?

Koran 5.51 - O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

Context. This passage came after a string of betrayal of their agreements with the Muslims. It is not a be all end all of Muslim's attitude toward Jews and Christians. Although even today we can still see Jews and Christians banding together against Muslims.

So Mohamed got all upset because Jews and Christians betrayed them and ordered his peeps to stop befriending Jews and Christians. If he said something different at another time then he's contradicting himself. 

Chief posted:

Mars posted:

ksazma posted:

skeldon_man posted:

What I cannot understand about Chief is that he is a devout Muslim who follows the teachings of Islam. Islam teaches that a Muslim should not befriend and infidel. If you change from Islam to another religion, you should be stoned to death. Jews are the perennial enemies of Islam, yet Chief has a lot of praise for them. Why Chief?

Wrong.

What does this mean?

Koran 5.51 - O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

 

Christians and Jews are not infidels, they are people of the book.

 

In the context that Skeldon_Man used the term infidel, he meant non-Muslims.

Mars posted:

ksazma posted:

Mars posted:

What does this mean?

Koran 5.51 - O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

Context. This passage came after a string of betrayal of their agreements with the Muslims. It is not a be all end all of Muslim's attitude toward Jews and Christians. Although even today we can still see Jews and Christians banding together against Muslims.

So Mohamed got all upset because Jews and Christians betrayed them and ordered his peeps to stop befriending Jews and Christians. If he said something different at another time then he's contradicting himself. 

Muhammad's mission was too important. He had no time for petty nonsense like getting upset because people just betrayed him. That betrayal included ambush and murder of Muslims which necessitated the injunction.

Contrary to the popular belief, Muhammad was not a war hungry blood thirsty person. For more than a decade, he and his companions were abused, persecuted and even killed by those who were against them. When he went to Taif and was stoned to the point of bleeding, his companions say his pain and suggested that he asked God to curse them to which he replied, "I was not sent to curse but as a mercy". Even as the persecution continued, some of his companions encouraged him to consider the possibility that he would have to start defending himself. He outright refused to which the passage came instructing him that it was alright for him to defend himself. The passage went on to say that "it may be that he loves what is bad for him and hates what was good for him".

Regarding him contradicting himself by stating different things, the Qur'an was constructed over a period of 23 years. It did not come by whole cloth. It was fluid and tailored to the needs, understanding and opportunities of the companions at the time. For instance, while the Kaaba became the direction where Muslims face during prayer, it was not allowed at the beginning because it was a place for idol worshippers and turning Muslims' focus away from it to allow them to break away from their previous practice of worshipping there. The Qur'an itself speaks of abrogating some things for better ones. It also stated that the Qur'an was revealed in stages so that it can be understood and remembered. The lessons came about when there was a circumstance so the early companions did not gloss over passages because they were not relevant to their moment.

Here is what Lamartine wrote about Muhammad.

"If greatness of purpose, smallness of means, and astounding results are the three criteria of human genius, who could dare to compare any great man in modern history with Muhammad? The most famous men created arms, laws and empires only. They founded, if anything at all, no more than material powers which often crumbled away before their eyes. This man moved not only armies, legislations, empires, peoples and dynasties, but millions of men in one-third of the then inhabited world; and more than that, he moved the altars, the gods, the religions, the ideas, the beliefs and souls... the forbearance in victory, his ambition, which was entirely devoted to one idea and in no manner striving for an empire; his endless prayers, his mystic conversations with God, his death and his triumph after death; all these attest not to an imposture but to a firm conviction which gave him the power to restore a dogma. This dogma was twofold, the unit of God and the immateriality of God; the former telling what God is, the latter telling what God is not; the one overthrowing false gods with the sword, the other starting an idea with words.

"Philosopher, orator, apostle, legislator, warrior, conqueror of ideas, restorer of rational dogmas, of a cult without images; the founder of twenty terrestrial empires and of one spiritual empire, that is Muhammad. As regards all standards by which human greatness may be measured, we may well ask, is there any man greater than he?" - Lamartine - Histoire de la Turquie, Paris 1854, Vol II, pp. 276-77:

ksazma posted:

Mars posted:

ksazma posted:

Mars posted:

What does this mean?

Koran 5.51 - O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

Context. This passage came after a string of betrayal of their agreements with the Muslims. It is not a be all end all of Muslim's attitude toward Jews and Christians. Although even today we can still see Jews and Christians banding together against Muslims.

So Mohamed got all upset because Jews and Christians betrayed them and ordered his peeps to stop befriending Jews and Christians. If he said something different at another time then he's contradicting himself. 

Muhammad's mission was too important. He had no time for petty nonsense like getting upset because people just betrayed him. That betrayal included ambush and murder of Muslims which necessitated the injunction.

Contrary to the popular belief, Muhammad was not a war hungry blood thirsty person. For more than a decade, he and his companions were abused, persecuted and even killed by those who were against them. When he went to Taif and was stoned to the point of bleeding, his companions say his pain and suggested that he asked God to curse them to which he replied, "I was not sent to curse but as a mercy". Even as the persecution continued, some of his companions encouraged him to consider the possibility that he would have to start defending himself. He outright refused to which the passage came instructing him that it was alright for him to defend himself. The passage went on to say that "it may be that he loves what is bad for him and hates what was good for him".

Regarding him contradicting himself by stating different things, the Qur'an was constructed over a period of 23 years. It did not come by whole cloth. It was fluid and tailored to the needs, understanding and opportunities of the companions at the time. For instance, while the Kaaba became the direction where Muslims face during prayer, it was not allowed at the beginning because it was a place for idol worshippers and turning Muslims' focus away from it to allow them to break away from their previous practice of worshipping there. The Qur'an itself speaks of abrogating some things for better ones. It also stated that the Qur'an was revealed in stages so that it can be understood and remembered. The lessons came about when there was a circumstance so the early companions did not gloss over passages because they were not relevant to their moment.

Here is what Lamartine wrote about Muhammad.

"If greatness of purpose, smallness of means, and astounding results are the three criteria of human genius, who could dare to compare any great man in modern history with Muhammad? The most famous men created arms, laws and empires only. They founded, if anything at all, no more than material powers which often crumbled away before their eyes. This man moved not only armies, legislations, empires, peoples and dynasties, but millions of men in one-third of the then inhabited world; and more than that, he moved the altars, the gods, the religions, the ideas, the beliefs and souls... the forbearance in victory, his ambition, which was entirely devoted to one idea and in no manner striving for an empire; his endless prayers, his mystic conversations with God, his death and his triumph after death; all these attest not to an imposture but to a firm conviction which gave him the power to restore a dogma. This dogma was twofold, the unit of God and the immateriality of God; the former telling what God is, the latter telling what God is not; the one overthrowing false gods with the sword, the other starting an idea with words.

"Philosopher, orator, apostle, legislator, warrior, conqueror of ideas, restorer of rational dogmas, of a cult without images; the founder of twenty terrestrial empires and of one spiritual empire, that is Muhammad. As regards all standards by which human greatness may be measured, we may well ask, is there any man greater than he?" - Lamartine - Histoire de la Turquie, Paris 1854, Vol II, pp. 276-77:

What does all of this have to do with anything that we're talking about? All I'm telling you is that he did order Muslims to not befriend Christians and Jews. This is basically what skeldon_man stated and which you were denying. 

Mars posted:

What does all of this have to do with anything that we're talking about? All I'm telling you is that he did order Muslims to not befriend Christians and Jews. This is basically what skeldon_man stated and which you were denying. 

To refresh your memory, here is what Skeldon_man wrote along with my response. The passage was in response to a particular time of betrayal. So there is no need for me to deny anything.

ksazma posted:

Wrong.

ksazma posted:

Mars posted:

What does all of this have to do with anything that we're talking about? All I'm telling you is that he did order Muslims to not befriend Christians and Jews. This is basically what skeldon_man stated and which you were denying. 

To refresh your memory, here is what Skeldon_man wrote along with my response. The passage was in response to a particular time of betrayal. So there is no need for me to deny anything.

skeldon_man posted:

What I cannot understand about Chief is that he is a devout Muslim who follows the teachings of Islam. Islam teaches that a Muslim should not befriend and infidel. If you change from Islam to another religion, you should be stoned to death. Jews are the perennial enemies of Islam, yet Chief has a lot of praise for them. Why Chief?

ksazma posted:

Wrong.

 

And I showed you a passage directly from the Koran which substantiates what skeldon_man said.

Mars posted:

ksazma posted:

Mars posted:

What does all of this have to do with anything that we're talking about? All I'm telling you is that he did order Muslims to not befriend Christians and Jews. This is basically what skeldon_man stated and which you were denying. 

To refresh your memory, here is what Skeldon_man wrote along with my response. The passage was in response to a particular time of betrayal. So there is no need for me to deny anything.

skeldon_man posted:

What I cannot understand about Chief is that he is a devout Muslim who follows the teachings of Islam. Islam teaches that a Muslim should not befriend and infidel. If you change from Islam to another religion, you should be stoned to death. Jews are the perennial enemies of Islam, yet Chief has a lot of praise for them. Why Chief?

ksazma posted:

Wrong.

 

And I showed you a passage directly from the Koran which substantiates what skeldon_man said.

Then I pointed you to its context but you seem disinterested in its context. That is not my problem.

ksazma posted:

Mars posted:

ksazma posted:

Mars posted:

What does all of this have to do with anything that we're talking about? All I'm telling you is that he did order Muslims to not befriend Christians and Jews. This is basically what skeldon_man stated and which you were denying. 

To refresh your memory, here is what Skeldon_man wrote along with my response. The passage was in response to a particular time of betrayal. So there is no need for me to deny anything.

skeldon_man posted:

What I cannot understand about Chief is that he is a devout Muslim who follows the teachings of Islam. Islam teaches that a Muslim should not befriend and infidel. If you change from Islam to another religion, you should be stoned to death. Jews are the perennial enemies of Islam, yet Chief has a lot of praise for them. Why Chief?

ksazma posted:

Wrong.

 

And I showed you a passage directly from the Koran which substantiates what skeldon_man said.

Then I pointed you to its context but you seem disinterested in its context. That is not my problem.

Context does not matter. skeldon_man made a correct statement and you tried to tell him he was wrong when he was not. 

Mars posted:

ksazma posted:

Mars posted:

ksazma posted:

Mars posted:

What does all of this have to do with anything that we're talking about? All I'm telling you is that he did order Muslims to not befriend Christians and Jews. This is basically what skeldon_man stated and which you were denying. 

To refresh your memory, here is what Skeldon_man wrote along with my response. The passage was in response to a particular time of betrayal. So there is no need for me to deny anything.

skeldon_man posted:

What I cannot understand about Chief is that he is a devout Muslim who follows the teachings of Islam. Islam teaches that a Muslim should not befriend and infidel. If you change from Islam to another religion, you should be stoned to death. Jews are the perennial enemies of Islam, yet Chief has a lot of praise for them. Why Chief?

ksazma posted:

Wrong.

 

And I showed you a passage directly from the Koran which substantiates what skeldon_man said.

Then I pointed you to its context but you seem disinterested in its context. That is not my problem.

Context does not matter. skeldon_man made a correct statement and you tried to tell him he was wrong when he was not. 

Sometimes you QC dudes disappoint. Let me break it down for you. Skeldon_man stated that ISLAM TEACHES. I responded that it does notand I repeat. Islam does not teach that Muslims should not befriend an infidel.

Context does matter. Take the following passage for instance without its context. Does that mean that the Bible teaches mass murder of men, women and children, widespread killing of animals and plunder of property, mass allocation of captive women to Israeli soldiers for their sexual satisfaction and ends it off by suggesting that those murderers can wash it away by cleaning their skins and clothes.

ksazma posted:

Mars posted:

ksazma posted:

Mars posted:

ksazma posted:

Mars posted:

What does all of this have to do with anything that we're talking about? All I'm telling you is that he did order Muslims to not befriend Christians and Jews. This is basically what skeldon_man stated and which you were denying. 

To refresh your memory, here is what Skeldon_man wrote along with my response. The passage was in response to a particular time of betrayal. So there is no need for me to deny anything.

skeldon_man posted:

What I cannot understand about Chief is that he is a devout Muslim who follows the teachings of Islam. Islam teaches that a Muslim should not befriend and infidel. If you change from Islam to another religion, you should be stoned to death. Jews are the perennial enemies of Islam, yet Chief has a lot of praise for them. Why Chief?

ksazma posted:

Wrong.

 

And I showed you a passage directly from the Koran which substantiates what skeldon_man said.

Then I pointed you to its context but you seem disinterested in its context. That is not my problem.

Context does not matter. skeldon_man made a correct statement and you tried to tell him he was wrong when he was not. 

Sometimes you QC dudes disappoint. Let me break it down for you. Skeldon_man stated that ISLAM TEACHES. I responded that it does notand I repeat. Islam does not teach that Muslims should not befriend an infidel.

Context does matter. Take the following passage for instance without its context. Does that mean that the Bible teaches mass murder of men, women and children, widespread killing of animals and plunder of property, mass allocation of captive women to Israeli soldiers for their sexual satisfaction and ends it off by suggesting that those murderers can wash it away by cleaning their skins and clothes.

Numbers 31King James Version (KJV)

31 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,

² Avenge the children of Israel of the Midianites: afterward shalt thou be gathered unto thy people.

³ And Moses spake unto the people, saying, Arm some of yourselves unto the war, and let them go against the Midianites, and avenge the Lord of Midian.

⁴ Of every tribe a thousand, throughout all the tribes of Israel, shall ye send to the war.

⁵ So there were delivered out of the thousands of Israel, a thousand of every tribe, twelve thousand armed for war.

⁶ And Moses sent them to the war, a thousand of every tribe, them and Phinehas the son of Eleazar the priest, to the war, with the holy instruments, and the trumpets to blow in his hand.

⁷ And they warred against the Midianites, as the Lord commanded Moses; and they slew all the males.

⁸ And they slew the kings of Midian, beside the rest of them that were slain; namely, Evi, and Rekem, and Zur, and Hur, and Reba, five kings of Midian: Balaam also the son of Beor they slew with the sword.

⁹ And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods.

¹⁰ And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire.

¹¹ And they took all the spoil, and all the prey, both of men and of beasts.

¹² And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and unto the congregation of the children of Israel, unto the camp at the plains of Moab, which are by Jordan near Jericho.

¹³ And Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and all the princes of the congregation, went forth to meet them without the camp.

¹⁴ And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, with the captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from the battle.

¹⁵ And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive?

¹⁶ Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the Lord in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the Lord.

¹⁷ Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.

¹⁸ But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

¹⁹ And do ye abide without the camp seven days: whosoever hath killed any person, and whosoever hath touched any slain, purify both yourselves and your captives on the third day, and on the seventh day.

²⁰ And purify all your raiment, and all that is made of skins, and all work of goats' hair, and all things made of wood.

²¹ And Eleazar the priest said unto the men of war which went to the battle, This is the ordinance of the law which the Lord commanded Moses;

²² Only the gold, and the silver, the brass, the iron, the tin, and the lead,

²³ Every thing that may abide the fire, ye shall make it go through the fire, and it shall be clean: nevertheless it shall be purified with the water of separation: and all that abideth not the fire ye shall make go through the water.

²⁴ And ye shall wash your clothes on the seventh day, and ye shall be clean, and afterward ye shall come into the camp.

²⁵ And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,

²⁶ Take the sum of the prey that was taken, both of man and of beast, thou, and Eleazar the priest, and the chief fathers of the congregation:

²⁷ And divide the prey into two parts; between them that took the war upon them, who went out to battle, and between all the congregation:

²⁸ And levy a tribute unto the Lord of the men of war which went out to battle: one soul of five hundred, both of the persons, and of the beeves, and of the asses, and of the sheep:

²⁹ Take it of their half, and give it unto Eleazar the priest, for an heave offering of the Lord.

³⁰ And of the children of Israel's half, thou shalt take one portion of fifty, of the persons, of the beeves, of the asses, and of the flocks, of all manner of beasts, and give them unto the Levites, which keep the charge of the tabernacle of the Lord.

³¹ And Moses and Eleazar the priest did as the Lord commanded Moses.

³² And the booty, being the rest of the prey which the men of war had caught, was six hundred thousand and seventy thousand and five thousand sheep,

³³ And threescore and twelve thousand beeves,

³⁴ And threescore and one thousand asses,

³⁵ And thirty and two thousand persons in all, of women that had not known man by lying with him.

³⁶ And the half, which was the portion of them that went out to war, was in number three hundred thousand and seven and thirty thousand and five hundred sheep:

³⁷ And the Lord'S tribute of the sheep was six hundred and threescore and fifteen.

³⁸ And the beeves were thirty and six thousand; of which the Lord'S tribute was threescore and twelve.

³⁹ And the asses were thirty thousand and five hundred; of which the Lord'S tribute was threescore and one.

⁴⁰ And the persons were sixteen thousand; of which the Lord'S tribute was thirty and two persons.

⁴¹ And Moses gave the tribute, which was the Lord'S heave offering, unto Eleazar the priest, as the Lord commanded Moses.

⁴² And of the children of Israel's half, which Moses divided from the men that warred,

⁴³ (Now the half that pertained unto the congregation was three hundred thousand and thirty thousand and seven thousand and five hundred sheep,

⁴⁴ And thirty and six thousand beeves,

⁴⁵ And thirty thousand asses and five hundred,

⁴⁶ And sixteen thousand persons,

⁴⁷ Even of the children of Israel's half, Moses took one portion of fifty, both of man and of beast, and gave them unto the Levites, which kept the charge of the tabernacle of the Lord; as the Lord commanded Moses.

⁴⁸ And the officers which were over thousands of the host, the captains of thousands, and captains of hundreds, came near unto Moses:

⁴⁹ And they said unto Moses, Thy servants have taken the sum of the men of war which are under our charge, and there lacketh not one man of us.

⁵⁰ We have therefore brought an oblation for the Lord, what every man hath gotten, of jewels of gold, chains, and bracelets, rings, earrings, and tablets, to make an atonement for our souls before the Lord.

⁵¹ And Moses and Eleazar the priest took the gold of them, even all wrought jewels.

⁵² And all the gold of the offering that they offered up to the Lord, of the captains of thousands, and of the captains of hundreds, was sixteen thousand seven hundred and fifty shekels.

⁵³ (For the men of war had taken spoil, every man for himself.)

⁵⁴ And Moses and Eleazar the priest took the gold of the captains of thousands and of hundreds, and brought it into the tabernacle of the congregation, for a memorial for the children of Israel before the Lord.

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The Koran teaches that Muslims should not befriend non-Muslims. It is there over and over and in many more of your hadiths. You can deny the obvious if you like but you're not being truthful in doing do.

Koran 5.51 - O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

Koran 5.81 You will see many of them befriending those who disbelieve; certainly evil is that which their souls have sent before for them, that Allah became displeased with them and in chastisement shall they abide.

Koran 3.28 Let not the believers take the unbelievers for friends rather than believers; and whoever does this, he shall have nothing of (the guardianship of) Allah, but you should guard yourselves against them, guarding carefully; and Allah makes you cautious of (retribution from) Himself; and to Allah is the eventual coming.

Koran 3.118 O you who believe! do not take for intimate friends from among others than your own people; they do not fall short of inflicting loss upon you; they love what distresses you; vehement hatred has already appeared from out of their mouths, and what their breasts conceal is greater still; indeed, We have made the communications clear to you, if you will understand.

Koran 9.23 O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends, such are wrong-doers.