Dove apologizes for ad: We 'missed the mark' representing black women

People these days are twisting every little thing as racist. Too much of this kind of stuff going on. Next thing the white people will complain why is toilet paper white and not any other color

I agree 100 percent.

yuji22 posted:

I agree 100 percent.

Oh Brahmana, hope you know that soap is made primarily with beef tallow. 

A body wash is a body wash is a bloody soap. It is a perfumed cleanser. A body wash is not a pigment changer. Dove dealing wid devilry.

yeah and Insulin I believe contains something from pigs, cant quite remember Screw society and screw all them racists stuff. If you black suck it up and shut yuh mouth, if yuh indian then live with it, if yuh white just be happy that you not stripped like a zebra

Gilbakka posted:

A body wash is a body wash is a bloody soap. It is a perfumed cleanser. A body wash is not a pigment changer. Dove dealing wid devilry.

And Dove does not use the word soap. 

Racism has gone way and beyond the norms as we once knew it. Every damn sentence that is printed or spoken is now deemed as having some racist content

Mitwah posted:

Gilbakka posted:

A body wash is a body wash is a bloody soap. It is a perfumed cleanser. A body wash is not a pigment changer. Dove dealing wid devilry.

And Dove does not use the word soap. 

Perhaps, Dove has no market share among the prison population. 

Gilbakka posted:

Mitwah posted:

Gilbakka posted:

A body wash is a body wash is a bloody soap. It is a perfumed cleanser. A body wash is not a pigment changer. Dove dealing wid devilry.

And Dove does not use the word soap. 

Perhaps, Dove has no market share among the prison population. 

LOL. You made spill my coffee. 

Amral posted:

yeah and Insulin I believe contains something from pigs, cant quite remember Screw society and screw all them racists stuff. If you black suck it up and shut yuh mouth, if yuh indian then live with it, if yuh white just be happy that you not stripped like a zebra

Production methods has changed,

https://www.med.uni-giessen.de...history/inshist.html

https://www.dnalc.org/view/159...-using-bacteria.html

For a minute I thought this was Dove who used to post on GNI

DOVE TAKE THEIR ASS AND PASS PEOPLE OF COLOR.

RiffRaff posted:

For a minute I thought this was Dove who used to post on GNI

Cliff was obsessed with her.

That ad was revolting.

Dove for all types of people?

One of the most asinine 'protests' ever!

Naomi Blake and her crew are idiots

RiffRaff posted:

Dove for all types of people?

No. Except white people. Them white already.  Lol

Amral posted:

People these days are twisting every little thing as racist. Too much of this kind of stuff going on. Next thing the white people will complain why is toilet paper white and not any other color

This ad applies equally to Indians who are also dark skinned.  Do you think that Indo Guyanese women ought to be portrayed as being filthy, and redeemable only if they become white?

Hmmmm.....yes maybe you do given that Indians have a huge complex about skin color.

Amral posted:

Racism has gone way and beyond the norms as we once knew it. Every damn sentence that is printed or spoken is now deemed as having some racist content

I bet if an ad in Guyana accused Indian women of being oily (to use a stereotype) and suggested that a good bath would solve that problem you would be screaming RACE!

I find it interesting that many non white immigrants think that perceptions that they are inferior, and in this case filthy, should be ignored.

While you all suck up to massa as he demeans you just be glad that American blacks don't.

There is a subconscious belief system that pervades the job markets that "whiteness" is a virtue. If nonwhite immigrants feel that they can leave those perceptions to grow then they damn themselves to being hewers of wood!  They need not ask why they got passed over for promotion.

caribny posted:

I find it interesting that many non white immigrants think that perceptions that they are inferior, and in this case filthy, should be ignored.

While you all suck up to massa as he demeans you just be glad that American blacks don't.

There is a subconscious belief system that pervades the job markets that "whiteness" is a virtue. If nonwhite immigrants feel that they can leave those perceptions to grow then they damn themselves to being hewers of wood!  They need not ask why they got passed over for promotion.

What you say is true

However, protesting this particular ad is infantile.

Crying wolf comes to mind

In fact, dove might be on to something here. Consider the skin bleaching that goes on in Africa. 

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-20444798

What if they really develop a soap that can turn a black into a white person?  Druggie sees business opportunity here. CaribJ would be my first customer, despite his ramblings. 

Drugb posted:

In fact, dove might be on to something here. Consider the skin bleaching that goes on in Africa. 

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-20444798

What if they really develop a soap that can turn a black into a white person?  Druggie sees business opportunity here. CaribJ would be my first customer, despite his ramblings. 

I can see you spent all day searching for something to substantiate your premise. So glad you finally got it just before 6PM, padna. Pat yourself on the back. 

Gilbakka posted:

Drugb posted:

In fact, dove might be on to something here. Consider the skin bleaching that goes on in Africa. 

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-20444798

What if they really develop a soap that can turn a black into a white person?  Druggie sees business opportunity here. CaribJ would be my first customer, despite his ramblings. 

I can see you spent all day searching for something to substantiate your premise. So glad you finally got it just before 6PM, padna. Pat yourself on the back. 

What can I say bai, inspiration come from the most unlikely places. Who would imagine that turning a black into a white could be a profitable venture? Think of the benefits, no more complaints about marginalization, job discrimination or how the Indian man keeping them down. 

Homme posted:

 

What you say is true

However, protesting this particular ad is infantile.

Crying wolf comes to mind

So a major corporation should be allowed to bolster the perceptions that many whites have of nonwhites.

The racism that we face today isn't that which we would have faced 60 years ago. It is about unconscious images that people use to determine who is suitable for upward mobility and who isn't.

Those who engage in daily racism aren't even aware that they do because they aren't aware of the fact that when presented with two candidates, one white and one dark skinned that they have a subconscious bias against the latter.  They are less likely to "see" that person as being suitable for upper tier professional positions.

Yes we immigrants are naïve to think that hard work alone will do it. That carries you only up to a certain level, but not up to where one can become a mover and shaker who determines societal direction.

So yes this must be challenged because every opportunity to confront implicit bias must be used to force people to confront the fact that yes, they too have implicit bias, even if they aren't aware of it.

One of the issues that we nonwhite immigrants have is that we bring with us our own subconscious bias and that is a willingness to accept less than we deserve because we think that this is not our country and so we must accept the little that we can squeeze out.

Well these attitudes don't lead in societal transformation.  I can assure you that as some one who has lived in the USA for 35 years that there is a vast improved in perceptions and that its media images in shows like the "Cosby Show" which led this. And like all those Shonda Rhimes TV shows on ABC which carries this forward.

Negative imagery like Dove should be confronted.  Especially in an era where increasingly blunt racism is being condoned.  And this from the president.

Drugb posted:

 

What can I say bai, inspiration come from the most unlikely places. Who would imagine that turning a black into a white could be a profitable venture? Think of the benefits, no more complaints about marginalization, job discrimination or how the Indian man keeping them down. 

So says an Indian who is probably even darker than the black model used. No wonder you remain a mere coder terrified that a Jamaican will replace you, sitting in some cubicle in Montego Bay.  Your fellow techies on GNI have already revealed that you are a dinosaur whose skill set hasn't advanced from the 90s.

caribny posted:

Homme posted:

 

What you say is true

However, protesting this particular ad is infantile.

Crying wolf comes to mind

So a major corporation should be allowed to bolster the perceptions that many whites have of nonwhites.

The racism that we face today isn't that which we would have faced 60 years ago. It is about unconscious images that people use to determine who is suitable for upward mobility and who isn't.

Those who engage in daily racism aren't even aware that they do because they aren't aware of the fact that when presented with two candidates, one white and one dark skinned that they have a subconscious bias against the latter.  They are less likely to "see" that person as being suitable for upper tier professional positions.

Yes we immigrants are naïve to think that hard work alone will do it. That carries you only up to a certain level, but not up to where one can become a mover and shaker who determines societal direction.

So yes this must be challenged because every opportunity to confront implicit bias must be used to force people to confront the fact that yes, they too have implicit bias, even if they aren't aware of it.

One of the issues that we nonwhite immigrants have is that we bring with us our own subconscious bias and that is a willingness to accept less than we deserve because we think that this is not our country and so we must accept the little that we can squeeze out.

Well these attitudes don't lead in societal transformation.  I can assure you that as some one who has lived in the USA for 35 years that there is a vast improved in perceptions and that its media images in shows like the "Cosby Show" which led this. And like all those Shonda Rhimes TV shows on ABC which carries this forward.

Negative imagery like Dove should be confronted.  Especially in an era where increasingly blunt racism is being condoned.  And this from the president.

 

I happen to disagree.

I take a back seat to no one in experience and interactions with women of color, immigrant and American born.

Now, Please articulate exactly what is offensive about the Dove ad.

caribny posted:

Drugb posted:

 

What can I say bai, inspiration come from the most unlikely places. Who would imagine that turning a black into a white could be a profitable venture? Think of the benefits, no more complaints about marginalization, job discrimination or how the Indian man keeping them down. 

So says an Indian who is probably even darker than the black model used. No wonder you remain a mere coder terrified that a Jamaican will replace you, sitting in some cubicle in Montego Bay.  Your fellow techies on GNI have already revealed that you are a dinosaur whose skill set hasn't advanced from the 90s.

In fact it may be more beneficial for me to maintain my Indo identity as they have an excellent reputation in the IT field these days. But in all fairness, the ad showed a black turning white, not an indo turning white. 

The complete ad shows black to white to brown....but most people focus on the black to white part.

I don't think the objective of the ad was that Dove changed you from black to white....the complete ad was meant to show Dove is for all people

Maybe Unilever did not do a focus group prior to running the Ad...or the focus group was 20 somethings who think they are on the cutting edge...who knows?

I don't think it's racist, my wife disagrees...so it's a matter of perception

I wonder how much beef or pork tallow is in a bar of dove soap?

Mitwah posted:

yuji22 posted:

I agree 100 percent.

Oh Brahmana, hope you know that soap is made primarily with beef tallow. 

Miss there are lots of soap that are not made with beef tallow, you need to get with the times man.

yuji22 posted:

Mitwah posted:

yuji22 posted:

I agree 100 percent.

Oh Brahmana, hope you know that soap is made primarily with beef tallow. 

Miss there are lots of soap that are not made with beef tallow, you need to get with the times man.

Oh wise Brahmana, please educate us. 

Mitwah posted:

yuji22 posted:

Mitwah posted:

yuji22 posted:

I agree 100 percent.

Oh Brahmana, hope you know that soap is made primarily with beef tallow. 

Miss there are lots of soap that are not made with beef tallow, you need to get with the times man.

Oh wise Brahmana, please educate us. 

You have been educated.

yuji22 posted:

Mitwah posted:

yuji22 posted:

Mitwah posted:

yuji22 posted:

I agree 100 percent.

Oh Brahmana, hope you know that soap is made primarily with beef tallow. 

Miss there are lots of soap that are not made with beef tallow, you need to get with the times man.

Oh wise Brahmana, please educate us. 

You have been educated.

Gilbakka posted:

A body wash is a body wash is a bloody soap. It is a perfumed cleanser. A body wash is not a pigment changer. Dove dealing wid devilry.

maybe it has skin whitener. Shah Ruk Khan peddles the stuff in Indian, suh women of color can whiten up.

antabanta posted:

That ad was revolting.

Depends how your mind works. 

Homme posted:

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Now, Please articulate exactly what is offensive about the Dove ad.

If I have to tell you that an ad which implies that blacks are dirty and whites are clean is something that must be confronted. Especially when it is done by a major and well regarded US corporation.  I cannot help you.

Maybe you are too isolated from zones of power to know how dangerous subconscious biases can be.

This is not about an ad.  This is about subconscious images that are reinforced by the notion that is "better" than nonwhite, and especially black.

Amral posted:

People these days are twisting every little thing as racist. Too much of this kind of stuff going on. Next thing the white people will complain why is toilet paper white and not any other color

I remember the Cainsta once stating that he made changes to that white toilet paper.