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"why the Pandits and Hindu religious leaders  are allowing such behaviour".

 

Chiefy, I hope all is well. I miss your lunch thread Would you consider starting one for 2012?

I took the statement above from the phagwah thread because I'm only going to use it as a reference. Regarding religious leaders, would you concur with those who think that religious leaders across the board "allow" inappropriate conduct?

 

I was at a masjid, (in the common area for a Quraan Shareef) and some of the women wore sleeveless shalwaars. Many were without a head scarf (not even the "hernie" we are used to wearing in Guyana). One was in a low neck, belted dress.

 

Many of our young Muslim girls and even older women wear fashionable hijabs. You and I know that the veil is not supposed to draw attention to you. Yet, that it is doing the opposite.

 

Some women go to church with...halter tops, tight jeans, plunging necklines. Couples sit in the pews with their arms around each other- sometimes even kissing on the cheek.

 

Some women go to mandir with outfits that show lots of skin- I wonder how the pandit is able to concentrate

 

Chiefy, how do you think religious leaders ought to address this kind of conduct in a place of worship? I value your thoughts.

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Phagwa is not a Hindu carnival

By By Sue-Ann Wayow

THE colourful Hindu festival Phagwa, or Holi, is not just a celebration but it is a holy and religious festival and should be treated as such.
Marking the beginning the spring in India, the festival was brought here by the East Indian indentured labourers and will be celebrated tomorrow.
Pundit Mukesh Maharaj who officiates at the Shri Radha Krishna Dhaam in St Croix Road, Princes Town, said fasting for Phagwa usually begins approximately two weeks before the actual celebration day.
He said persons were expected to abstain from meat and alcohol during the fasting period, but some do not.
“Holi is not only a festival. It is a holy festival. It is a religious festival and there is supposed to be a religious observance. That is why they abstain from all forms of alcohol and all these sorts of things that are prohibited. Unfortunately people indulge in it but Holi is a religious festival and it is not a Hindu carnival as some people will put it. The festival itself is of a religious nature and you must observe the rites to fasting and the prohibition.”
During the period of fasting, puja or prayers are performed, devotees learn chowtals and folk songs and participate in competitions. One of the major highlights of this period, apart from the spraying of coloured water on each other, is the lighting of a bonfire.
Maharaj said according to Hindu scriptures the celebration came about after a young child called Prahalad was saved from a fire because of his faith in Lord Vishnu who is the Preserver of Life.
His father was the evil King Hiranyakashipu who wanted to destroy his own son because of his devotion to the god. he asked Prahalad’s evil sister Holika to take him into the fire to burn him. Holika was told by the gods that as long as she wears a red shawl she cannot be destroyed by fire. But while taking him into the fire, the gods were upset with her and they caused a strong breeze to blow and Holika’s shawl was taken away from her by the wind. Instead of Prahalad she was burnt.
Maharaj said the bonfire was symbolic to the burning of negative qualities in humans.
“You burn away the qualities that we are not supposed to have, like the hate and the malice and the jealousy and all these sorts of things. The bonfire shows that we must try to burn away these qualities to allow the purity that Prahalad offers to emerge.”
He said even though his father the king was filled with pride, anger and lust, his son stood for truth and righteousness.
Phagwa is about “destroying the evils that we may have within ourselves and to allow the truth to flow in our hearts, the love to flow, the unity to flow.”
The name means the awakening of life, Maharaj said, and that is why a lot of bright colours are used in the celebration.
“It is a celebration of life because winter is like of dead nature; everything sleeps but in spring season everything comes alive,” he said.
He said the bright colours represented the many colours seen during springtime.
Abeer is a coloured powder that celebrants throw on each other during the festivities. It can also be mixed in cold water and sprayed. And it comes in a crystal form that is dissolved in hot water.
Maharaj said no special foods were usually prepared but mostly Indian delicacies were given out, especially jalebi.
All foods had to be vegetarian.
He said no major prayers were performed on the day but whenever the participants travelled to various recreation grounds, they would pray for a safe journey and a safe return.
Maharaj said this year, he was hoping for a wonderful celebration with good weather.
FM

Hi Miraver, its a good topic. People should know how to dress appropriately, but some people just don't know. What can you do? You can't 'kick' them out of the mandir/church/mosque. I feel if the message is said in the correct way, people will get it eventually..like children :-). Couple kissing on the cheek in church, that could be a good thing. At least they are showing love for each other

Anyway, I am waiting for Chief's reply also.

FM
Originally Posted by imala:

Hi Miraver, its a good topic. People should know how to dress appropriately, but some people just don't know. What can you do? You can't 'kick' them out of the mandir/church/mosque. I feel if the message is said in the correct way, people will get it eventually..like children :-). Couple kissing on the cheek in church, that could be a good thing. At least they are showing love for each other

Anyway, I am waiting for Chief's reply also.

Hi Imala, good to see you on-board! It's been a quite some time Smiling here at showing love for each other

FM
Originally Posted by Miraver:
Originally Posted by imala:

Hi Miraver, its a good topic. People should know how to dress appropriately, but some people just don't know. What can you do? You can't 'kick' them out of the mandir/church/mosque. I feel if the message is said in the correct way, people will get it eventually..like children :-). Couple kissing on the cheek in church, that could be a good thing. At least they are showing love for each other

Anyway, I am waiting for Chief's reply also.

Hi Imala, good to see you on-board! It's been a quite some time Smiling here at showing love for each other

How are you Miraver? Where is your profile pic?

FM
Originally Posted by Miraver:

"why the Pandits and Hindu religious leaders  are allowing such behaviour".

 

Chiefy, I hope all is well. I miss your lunch thread Would you consider starting one for 2012?

I took the statement above from the phagwah thread because I'm only going to use it as a reference. Regarding religious leaders, would you concur with those who think that religious leaders across the board "allow" inappropriate conduct?

 

I was at a masjid, (in the common area for a Quraan Shareef) and some of the women wore sleeveless shalwaars. Many were without a head scarf (not even the "hernie" we are used to wearing in Guyana). One was in a low neck, belted dress.

 

Many of our young Muslim girls and even older women wear fashionable hijabs. You and I know that the veil is not supposed to draw attention to you. Yet, that it is doing the opposite.

 

Some women go to church with...halter tops, tight jeans, plunging necklines. Couples sit in the pews with their arms around each other- sometimes even kissing on the cheek.

 

Some women go to mandir with outfits that show lots of skin- I wonder how the pandit is able to concentrate

 

Chiefy, how do you think religious leaders ought to address this kind of conduct in a place of worship? I value your thoughts.


Mir,

First of all I must say thanks to you for respecting me enoung to value my thoughts, May Almighty Allah bless you.

The answer to your question is very simple, let the Priest remind the worshippers that they are God's house and in his  presense . I mean the Priest ought to remind them as to how they dress  to face thier boss at work. You show up wearing inappropreate clothes you are gone, so if you want the wrought of GOD then come naked.

This happened at a Catholic Church, the Preist was giving communion and it is customary for him to say "body of christ''. A girl was dressed in mini skirt and halter and she confused the Priest, intead of saying "Body of Christ' he said "Christ what a body"!! 

 

Mir,I am limiting my daytime hours on GNI,  for the most part Ionly come in at night so as a result I cannot do a lunch thread.

All the best and I hope I shed some light on the matter  about how religious leaders should address people wearing proper clothing in church.

Chief
Originally Posted by imala:

Hi Miraver, its a good topic. People should know how to dress appropriately, but some people just don't know. What can you do? You can't 'kick' them out of the mandir/church/mosque. I feel if the message is said in the correct way, people will get it eventually..like children :-). Couple kissing on the cheek in church, that could be a good thing. At least they are showing love for each other

Anyway, I am waiting for Chief's reply also.

Kissing on the cheek is recommended by me for as you rightly say it expresses love and affection.

Chief
Originally Posted by Miraver:
Originally Posted by Chief:

All you two better stop this rendering and start to surrender.

 

Your above post brought a song immediately to mind - "I surrender all". Thanks for the blessings you are beseeching on my behalf. I read and noted your response.

That is all you have to say?/ ManI tell you!!

Chief
God is great! Rendering garments! UPPER DARBY, Pa. (AP) — Authorities say four family members were arrested after stripping naked outside a suburban Philadelphia high school and chanting "God is great." Upper Darby police say it happened around 1 p.m. Friday in a parking lot outside school. Police Superintendent Michael Chitwood says investigators don't know why 44-year-old Sarah Butler and three of her children — 23-year-old Joanne Butler, 22-year-old Bessie Butler and a 14-year-old son — decided to disrobe. He says the mother had gone there around 10 a.m., demanding to see a student. After she was denied admission, Chitwood says the family lay on the ground and began chanting, eventually shedding their clothing.
FM
Originally Posted by TI:
God is great! Rendering garments! UPPER DARBY, Pa. (AP) — Authorities say four family members were arrested after stripping naked outside a suburban Philadelphia high school and chanting "God is great." Upper Darby police say it happened around 1 p.m. Friday in a parking lot outside school. Police Superintendent Michael Chitwood says investigators don't know why 44-year-old Sarah Butler and three of her children — 23-year-old Joanne Butler, 22-year-old Bessie Butler and a 14-year-old son — decided to disrobe. He says the mother had gone there around 10 a.m., demanding to see a student. After she was denied admission, Chitwood says the family lay on the ground and began chanting, eventually shedding their clothing.
FM
Originally Posted by Chief:
Originally Posted by Miraver:
Originally Posted by Chief:

All you two better stop this rendering and start to surrender.

 

Your above post brought a song immediately to mind - "I surrender all". Thanks for the blessings you are beseeching on my behalf. I read and noted your response.

That is all you have to say?/ ManI tell you!!

Chiefy? what were you expecting?

FM

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