Democracy in the PPP, Candidates asked to withdraw,who called them in to room ?? could it be the Rat ?

Still waiting on NEHRU the LOUD MOUTH, to educate the public, the process used by the PNCR to elect the Executive Members and Leader of their Party.

It seems that the PPP/C has learned nothing in its time spent in opposition.

January 23 2019

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Dear Editor,

In 2015, the PPP/C lost the general elections for the first time in over 25 years as a result of a growing public perception of the PPP/C being corrupt, dishonest and nepotistic.Rather than return to the grassroots framework founded by the late great Dr. Cheddi Jagan, epitomized by honesty and hard work, the PPP/C has done nothing to quell the aforementioned public perception.

By selecting (through undemocratic communist central committee procedures), Mr. Irfaan Ali as the next PPP/C presidential candidate, the PPP/C has only perpetuated, not detracted from the view that the PPP/C is a corrupt political party.

Mr. Irfaan Ali’s reputation is far from unblemished and while I will not get into whether or not Mr. Ali is or was a corrupt, dishonest government official, the fact is that Mr. Ali has been the subject of numerous allegations while serving as the Minister of Housing.

The PPP/C has thus selected a candidate that has been embroiled in the public’s apprehension of corruption and dishonesty. In so doing, the PPP/C has done nothing to change its image in contemplation of the upcoming snap elections and this is something that should be of exceptional concern to Guyanese in general, but also, to the world at large.

-The Real Observer

Django posted:

Democracy in the PPP, Candidates asked to withdraw,who called them in to room ?? could it be the Rat ?

Still waiting on NEHRU the LOUD MOUTH, to educate the public, the process used by the PNCR to elect the Executive Members and Leader of their Party.

BS!!  spoke with Frank Monday . He was NEVER asked to redraw. I say no more on this. 

Ayo focus on the current government. Don’t worry about PPP. They are in opposition. 

Django, the PPP is like cow itche on you.. nah.

Long Live The PPP. 

Dave posted:

 

Django posted:

Democracy in the PPP, Candidates asked to withdraw,who called them in to room ?? could it be the Rat ?

Still waiting on NEHRU the LOUD MOUTH, to educate the public, the process used by the PNCR to elect the Executive Members and Leader of their Party.

BS!!  spoke with Frank Monday . He was NEVER asked to redraw.[Withdraw] I say no more on this.Ayo focus on the current government. Don’t worry about PPP. They are in opposition. Django, the PPP is like cow itche on you.. nah.

Long Live The PPP. 

What you are saying Freddie Kissoon lying ??

Django posted:

January 23 2019

Source

In journalism, there are several categories of the supplier of information. There is your friend who has a substantial position in a particular entity. The friendship is not publicly known and over the years, this person has been an impeccable supplier.
There is the trusted source. This is a level lower than your friend. This is someone that you have had a long established relationship with. You trust that person with the supply of information, and it has held good over a long period of time. The third level is called the reliable source. The closeness with the journalist is not there as in levels one and two. But the person sees you as a person that is dependable to publish information that the public needs to know
The other levels need not be discussed. For this column, the information that is revealed in the title of this column has come from the third category listed above. At the very last minute, Gail Teixeira, Frank Anthony and Dr. Vindhya Persaud were called into a room and asked to withdraw from the contest for the presidential candidacy. I first disclosed this on the Naim Chan early morning television show on CNS channel 6 yesterday.
Anthony and Persaud have offered different reasons for withdrawing. This is what party loyalty demands. Refusal would certainly have engendered serious rifts in the party’s leadership. But Anthony and Persaud do not depend on the state for an income; they are vital elements in the PPP’s physiology, so they should be honest with the Guyanese people. Anthony and Persaud know who they confided in.
Teixeira’s exit has no theoretical or political importance to the shape of the contest, so I will not dwell on her decision to quit. She was asked to participate to split the votes. See my column of Tuesday, January 15, 2019, “Is Gail Teixeira fit and proper to be president?”
The forced withdrawal of Anthony and Persaud has uncertain consequences for the future of the PPP. If Nandlall would have received 9 votes, had Anthony and Persaud remained in the arena then it is possible that the 24 ballots that Irfaan received would have been split between Persaud and Anthony, giving either one of them victory. Sadly, it seems that if you do the mathematical equation it looks like Nandlall was never going to win.
The ballot was secret. Unless the process was engineered, and I am told that the secret use of the pen was not tampered with, then Anil simply lost out. You can say the 35 voters were manipulated before the meeting convened. But either persons voted out of fear or just didn’t want Anil. Surely, even if some central committee members felt that they owed Jagdeo favours or that Jagdeo promised them goodies, secret balloting could have saved them. All they had to do was to insist to Jagdeo that they voted for Irfaan and offer to take a lie detector test, which wouldn’t have been done anyway.
Looking at the small number of votes Anil got (you have to discount the ballots of Anthony and Persaud, because they would have had to vote for themselves if they had remained, it appears that either Anthony or Persaud would have won that race. It meant that had they stayed in the ring, either one of them would have pulled more than Anil’s 9 votes and become the presidential candidate.
Let us do some guesswork. Irfaan, Anthony and Persaud had to split 26 votes among themselves, because Anil’s tally was already decided. Is it possible Anthony could have picked up 11, Persaud 9, leaving Irfan with 6, including his own? The results would have been, Anthony 11, Anil 9, Persaud 9, Irfaan 6. Or maybe it could have been Persaud 11 and Anthony 9.
The decision to force the fait accompli on Anthony and Persaud was a perceptive one. Those who did it perhaps knew what the Guyanese population didn’t. And that is, Anil would not have won, contrary to popular thinking, and that Anthony or Persaud would have been the real favourite. No matter what kind of manipulation went on weeks before the voting, 26 persons voted against Anil and they did not do it by a show of hands.
My choice was Anil. I do like him. I think he was the better candidate, though I would have liked to see a woman winning the prize. I think most people expected Anil to win. And I would like to know why his showing was so poor. In the meantime, Anthony and Persaud should know that Guyana has a small, overlapping population, so people know that they confessed.

 

I am not sure how reliable Kissoon’s information is....he seems to know everyone and everything.....and at the same time he knows little and often off-target.

But I hope knucklehead Demerara-Guy reading this....

People have a right to be suspicious of how “democratic” the selection process within the PPP is done....given the party structure, institutional history, and selection of a candidate who was not the popular choice of many...including those here like Bibi LIpps who like to pretend they have “inside” information..

NOW....wait and watch how the floundering youngster deal with hard questions from the media...he cant always lean on Jagdeo for support. 

I wish him well, but we gon see....

From where I am sitting, and I don’t pretend to know much, the PPP needs a rebellion from within...a GLASNOST of sorts, before that Party can function as a democratic institution.

“Novelty” can only go so far. It may be a good seller with some people to argue that the PPP will govern as a “TEAM”, but there are still a lot of people who are uneasy about Jagdeo being centrally involved in any new government... 

All eyes are on the PM candidate....lets see if the PPP understands that they cannot select a person who will be see as an “UNCLE TOM”...

my 2 cents

Django posted:

Dave posted:

 

Django posted:

Democracy in the PPP, Candidates asked to withdraw,who called them in to room ?? could it be the Rat ?

Still waiting on NEHRU the LOUD MOUTH, to educate the public, the process used by the PNCR to elect the Executive Members and Leader of their Party.

BS!!  spoke with Frank Monday . He was NEVER asked to redraw.[Withdraw] I say no more on this.Ayo focus on the current government. Don’t worry about PPP. They are in opposition. Django, the PPP is like cow itche on you.. nah.

Long Live The PPP. 

What you are saying Freddie Kissoon lying ??

Are you saying that Dave is lying? Bai, you believe in Bucket Shit in the Face Freddy and doubting Dave? Dave is giving you first-hand information. Shit Face is selling his story for a price. Dave is for free. Who's telling the truth?

skeldon_man posted:

Django posted:

Dave posted:

 

Django posted:

Democracy in the PPP, Candidates asked to withdraw,who called them in to room ?? could it be the Rat ?

Still waiting on NEHRU the LOUD MOUTH, to educate the public, the process used by the PNCR to elect the Executive Members and Leader of their Party.

BS!!  spoke with Frank Monday . He was NEVER asked to redraw.[Withdraw] I say no more on this.Ayo focus on the current government. Don’t worry about PPP. They are in opposition. Django, the PPP is like cow itche on you.. nah.

Long Live The PPP. 

What you are saying Freddie Kissoon lying ??

Are you saying that Dave is lying? Bai, you believe in Bucket Shit in the Face Freddy and doubting Dave? Dave is giving you first-hand information. Shit Face is selling his story for a price. Dave is for free. Who's telling the truth?

Just asking bhai, never said he is lying.

Strange some times Freddie Kissoon, are deemed truthful by you guys, when it doesn't fits the narrative, he is a Shit Face.

Dave posted:

 

Django posted:

Democracy in the PPP, Candidates asked to withdraw,who called them in to room ?? could it be the Rat ?

Still waiting on NEHRU the LOUD MOUTH, to educate the public, the process used by the PNCR to elect the Executive Members and Leader of their Party.

BS!!  spoke with Frank Monday . He was NEVER asked to redraw. I say no more on this. 

Ayo focus on the current government. Don’t worry about PPP. They are in opposition. 

Django, the PPP is like cow itche on you.. nah.

Long Live The PPP. 

You may have spoken to him and he may have told you the truth or what you need to hear but the fact he allowed his name to be in the list to close to voting means he is or was used as a tool to over load the system in preference for Iffart.  It is a nasty tactic for the party leader to concentrate votes for his favorite. The tactic would not be necessary if the intent was to get the best.

Wrote on this  a month ago when I said Ramson had a chance on the floor depending on how many candidates are in the race. To pull out at the end means second preference multiplies and the best man is not in the race. Where t here are small numbers of electors as this the result is insidiously persuasive towards making people go along with the chosen one that they would already know given their numbers.  You concentrate it towards the second best not the best. 

The PPP presidential selection process ought to be made constitutionally illegal. We got Trump when an electoral college concentrated the peoples vote in the us and  away from the majority consensus. Every Presidential candidate ought to be primaried.

VishMahabir posted:

Django posted:

January 23 2019

Source

In journalism, there are several categories of the supplier of information. There is your friend who has a substantial position in a particular entity. The friendship is not publicly known and over the years, this person has been an impeccable supplier.
There is the trusted source. This is a level lower than your friend. This is someone that you have had a long established relationship with. You trust that person with the supply of information, and it has held good over a long period of time. The third level is called the reliable source. The closeness with the journalist is not there as in levels one and two. But the person sees you as a person that is dependable to publish information that the public needs to know
The other levels need not be discussed. For this column, the information that is revealed in the title of this column has come from the third category listed above. At the very last minute, Gail Teixeira, Frank Anthony and Dr. Vindhya Persaud were called into a room and asked to withdraw from the contest for the presidential candidacy. I first disclosed this on the Naim Chan early morning television show on CNS channel 6 yesterday.
Anthony and Persaud have offered different reasons for withdrawing. This is what party loyalty demands. Refusal would certainly have engendered serious rifts in the party’s leadership. But Anthony and Persaud do not depend on the state for an income; they are vital elements in the PPP’s physiology, so they should be honest with the Guyanese people. Anthony and Persaud know who they confided in.
Teixeira’s exit has no theoretical or political importance to the shape of the contest, so I will not dwell on her decision to quit. She was asked to participate to split the votes. See my column of Tuesday, January 15, 2019, “Is Gail Teixeira fit and proper to be president?”
The forced withdrawal of Anthony and Persaud has uncertain consequences for the future of the PPP. If Nandlall would have received 9 votes, had Anthony and Persaud remained in the arena then it is possible that the 24 ballots that Irfaan received would have been split between Persaud and Anthony, giving either one of them victory. Sadly, it seems that if you do the mathematical equation it looks like Nandlall was never going to win.
The ballot was secret. Unless the process was engineered, and I am told that the secret use of the pen was not tampered with, then Anil simply lost out. You can say the 35 voters were manipulated before the meeting convened. But either persons voted out of fear or just didn’t want Anil. Surely, even if some central committee members felt that they owed Jagdeo favours or that Jagdeo promised them goodies, secret balloting could have saved them. All they had to do was to insist to Jagdeo that they voted for Irfaan and offer to take a lie detector test, which wouldn’t have been done anyway.
Looking at the small number of votes Anil got (you have to discount the ballots of Anthony and Persaud, because they would have had to vote for themselves if they had remained, it appears that either Anthony or Persaud would have won that race. It meant that had they stayed in the ring, either one of them would have pulled more than Anil’s 9 votes and become the presidential candidate.
Let us do some guesswork. Irfaan, Anthony and Persaud had to split 26 votes among themselves, because Anil’s tally was already decided. Is it possible Anthony could have picked up 11, Persaud 9, leaving Irfan with 6, including his own? The results would have been, Anthony 11, Anil 9, Persaud 9, Irfaan 6. Or maybe it could have been Persaud 11 and Anthony 9.
The decision to force the fait accompli on Anthony and Persaud was a perceptive one. Those who did it perhaps knew what the Guyanese population didn’t. And that is, Anil would not have won, contrary to popular thinking, and that Anthony or Persaud would have been the real favourite. No matter what kind of manipulation went on weeks before the voting, 26 persons voted against Anil and they did not do it by a show of hands.
My choice was Anil. I do like him. I think he was the better candidate, though I would have liked to see a woman winning the prize. I think most people expected Anil to win. And I would like to know why his showing was so poor. In the meantime, Anthony and Persaud should know that Guyana has a small, overlapping population, so people know that they confessed.

 

I am not sure how reliable Kissoon’s information is....he seems to know everyone and everything.....and at the same time he knows little and often off-target.

But I hope knucklehead Demerara-Guy reading this....

People have a right to be suspicious of how “democratic” the selection process within the PPP is done....given the party structure, institutional history, and selection of a candidate who was not the popular choice of many...including those here like Bibi LIpps who like to pretend they have “inside” information..

NOW....wait and watch how the floundering youngster deal with hard questions from the media...he cant always lean on Jagdeo for support. 

I wish him well, but we gon see....

From where I am sitting, and I don’t pretend to know much, the PPP needs a rebellion from within...a GLASNOST of sorts, before that Party can function as a democratic institution.

“Novelty” can only go so far. It may be a good seller with some people to argue that the PPP will govern as a “TEAM”, but there are still a lot of people who are uneasy about Jagdeo being centrally involved in any new government... 

All eyes are on the PM candidate....lets see if the PPP understands that they cannot select a person who will be see as an “UNCLE TOM”...

my 2 cents

 

 

 

Freddie is more often on target than not. It is reasonable to ask for instances where he missed the boat and those claiming he did would be hard pressed to tell us  he did. He was on cue with the Phantoms...even naming them when all of us were guessing what is going on.  Then Indians believed him. He has given us so many firsts I dare also to ask who has been able to match his out put? He is possibly wrong less than others purporting to do t he same has been right. 

It is clear to many including myself  that his writing style can be frustrating. He always  hints at  or suggests where to look without ever saying what to look for at times or why one needs to look.  Only in retrospect do we get to see the why of it all and understanding comes. 

Freddi for example spoke to or an organized Press reactionary force paid for by the state and run by PPP agents aimed at discrediting people on social media. He spoke of the group's disrespect to women.  We later found out from hacked information posted from Shadood's computer that  he was right. Kwame and Misir had a team for that purpose and they were here posting misinformation and targeting  other posters for harassment daily.

I think Freddi is that kind of rock with nuggets of information inside  that the PPP and the APNU among others  break their heads against to get at because he is alway one step ahead. Worse, does not care what others say of him or what they do to him he always stand on his truth and the reality is we all need to pay more attention because he is almost always right.

skeldon_man posted:

Django posted:

Dave posted:

 

Django posted:

Democracy in the PPP, Candidates asked to withdraw,who called them in to room ?? could it be the Rat ?

Still waiting on NEHRU the LOUD MOUTH, to educate the public, the process used by the PNCR to elect the Executive Members and Leader of their Party.

BS!!  spoke with Frank Monday . He was NEVER asked to redraw.[Withdraw] I say no more on this.Ayo focus on the current government. Don’t worry about PPP. They are in opposition. Django, the PPP is like cow itche on you.. nah.

Long Live The PPP. 

What you are saying Freddie Kissoon lying ??

Are you saying that Dave is lying? Bai, you believe in Bucket Shit in the Face Freddy and doubting Dave? Dave is giving you first-hand information. Shit Face is selling his story for a price. Dave is for free. Who's telling the truth?

Well,

Lets, assume Kissoon is lying...

But, Why should people take Dave's word...?

How do we know Dave's version is the TRUTH?

Now we have 2 people who could possibly be lying or twisting the truth...so we have to look to previous patterns and behavior....and the little bits of information that is coming out from the insiders to put this picture together...no?

D2 posted:

VishMahabir posted:

Django posted:

January 23 2019

 

I am not sure how reliable Kissoon’s information is....he seems to know everyone and everything.....and at the same time he knows little and often off-target.

 

 

You believe this story?

VishMahabir posted:

skeldon_man posted:

Django posted:

Dave posted:

 

Django posted:

Democracy in the PPP, Candidates asked to withdraw,who called them in to room ?? could it be the Rat ?

Still waiting on NEHRU the LOUD MOUTH, to educate the public, the process used by the PNCR to elect the Executive Members and Leader of their Party.

BS!!  spoke with Frank Monday . He was NEVER asked to redraw.[Withdraw] I say no more on this.Ayo focus on the current government. Don’t worry about PPP. They are in opposition. Django, the PPP is like cow itche on you.. nah.

Long Live The PPP. 

What you are saying Freddie Kissoon lying ??

Are you saying that Dave is lying? Bai, you believe in Bucket Shit in the Face Freddy and doubting Dave? Dave is giving you first-hand information. Shit Face is selling his story for a price. Dave is for free. Who's telling the truth?

Well,

Lets, assume Kissoon is lying...

But, Why should people take Dave's word...?

How do we know Dave's version is the TRUTH?

Now we have 2 people who could possibly be lying or twisting the truth...so we have to look to previous patterns and behavior....and the little bits of information that is coming out from the insiders to put this picture together...no?

skeldon_man posted:

Are you saying that Dave is lying? Bai, you believe in Bucket Shit in the Face Freddy and doubting Dave? Dave is giving you first-hand information. Shit Face is selling his story for a price. Dave is for free. Who's telling the truth?

Use your brains. He does not have to lie for what happened to be true. That you take Kwame and Jason's side in being vindictive against Freddi ( another incident organized by PPP insiders) to throw fecal matter on him is also reflective why you think as you do.

Who is telling the truth is clear if your math sense kicks in. If there are  a number of candidates, in this case 5 standing for a position where there are 35 electors it means 10 people at least are off the board for others to poach.

Taking this ideal it means the numbers of electors remaining is 25. Any of them can win by splitting that number. If the "leader calls them in and advise them to withdraw" then the number doubles up for the leaders choice which is practically precisely what happened here.  

skeldon_man posted:

VishMahabir posted:

Well,

Lets, assume Kissoon is lying...

But, Why should people take Dave's word...?

How do we know Dave's version is the TRUTH?

Now we have 2 people who could possibly be lying or twisting the truth...so we have to look to previous patterns and behavior....and the little bits of information that is coming out from the insiders to put this picture together...no?

I see all dat smokin got your brains fried...

D2 posted:

skeldon_man posted:

Are you saying that Dave is lying? Bai, you believe in Bucket Shit in the Face Freddy and doubting Dave? Dave is giving you first-hand information. Shit Face is selling his story for a price. Dave is for free. Who's telling the truth?

Use your brains. He does not have to lie for what happened to be true. That you take Kwame and Jason's side in being vindictive against Freddi ( another incident organized by PPP insiders) to throw fecal matter on him is also reflective why you think as you do. Who is telling the truth is clear if your math sense kicks in. If there are  a number of candidates, in this case 5 standing for a position where there are 35 electors it means 10 people at least are off the board for others to poach. Taking this ideal it means the numbers of electors remaining is 25. Any of them can win by splitting that number. If the "leader calls them in and advise them to withdraw" then the number doubles up for the leaders choice which is practically precisely what happened here.  

Ok, Einstein! If the votes were cast by secret ballots, any or all of those candidates could have rejected BJ's requests and vote for the candidate of his or her choice. Who would have known and what would have been the consequences? No one knows. And yes, I know you are going to criticize the "secret ballot" as garbage. It's all a moot point now. These guys did what they did for the good and unity of the party to throw the PNC out on the streets.

skeldon_man posted:

D2 posted:

skeldon_man posted:

Are you saying that Dave is lying? Bai, you believe in Bucket Shit in the Face Freddy and doubting Dave? Dave is giving you first-hand information. Shit Face is selling his story for a price. Dave is for free. Who's telling the truth?

Use your brains. He does not have to lie for what happened to be true. That you take Kwame and Jason's side in being vindictive against Freddi ( another incident organized by PPP insiders) to throw fecal matter on him is also reflective why you think as you do. Who is telling the truth is clear if your math sense kicks in. If there are  a number of candidates, in this case 5 standing for a position where there are 35 electors it means 10 people at least are off the board for others to poach. Taking this ideal it means the numbers of electors remaining is 25. Any of them can win by splitting that number. If the "leader calls them in and advise them to withdraw" then the number doubles up for the leaders choice which is practically precisely what happened here.  

Ok, Einstein! If the votes were cast by secret ballots, any or all of those candidates could have rejected BJ's requests and vote for the candidate of his or her choice. Who would have known and what would have been the consequences? No one knows. And yes, I know you are going to criticize the "secret ballot" as garbage. It's all a moot point now. These guys did what they did for the good and unity of the party to throw the PNC out on the streets.

You aint no Einstein? ...a cane cutta, maybe...

Einstein would have relied upon what previous scholars said before embarking upon his major equation. He did not operate in a vacuum. 

You are saying 2 things that are not logical.

Its not a foregone conclusion that the manipulations were non existent...you, nor I, have the facts...what we do have are historical experience and statements from some "insiders" and "players". Kissoon, because of his well known personality would have had more information than any one of us on GNI. We should not simply reject everything he says...he is in the trenches of Guyana.

You are ignoring this and now makes a "quantum leap" to suggest that this was all for the good...done for "good and unity"...This is yet to be seen.

Kapeech?

VishMahabir posted:

skeldon_man posted:

D2 posted:

skeldon_man posted:

Are you saying that Dave is lying? Bai, you believe in Bucket Shit in the Face Freddy and doubting Dave? Dave is giving you first-hand information. Shit Face is selling his story for a price. Dave is for free. Who's telling the truth?

Use your brains. He does not have to lie for what happened to be true. That you take Kwame and Jason's side in being vindictive against Freddi ( another incident organized by PPP insiders) to throw fecal matter on him is also reflective why you think as you do. Who is telling the truth is clear if your math sense kicks in. If there are  a number of candidates, in this case 5 standing for a position where there are 35 electors it means 10 people at least are off the board for others to poach. Taking this ideal it means the numbers of electors remaining is 25. Any of them can win by splitting that number. If the "leader calls them in and advise them to withdraw" then the number doubles up for the leaders choice which is practically precisely what happened here.  

Ok, Einstein! If the votes were cast by secret ballots, any or all of those candidates could have rejected BJ's requests and vote for the candidate of his or her choice. Who would have known and what would have been the consequences? No one knows. And yes, I know you are going to criticize the "secret ballot" as garbage. It's all a moot point now. These guys did what they did for the good and unity of the party to throw the PNC out on the streets.

You aint no Einstein? ...a cane cutta, maybe...

Einstein would have relied upon what previous scholars said before embarking upon his major equation. He did not operate in a vacuum. 

You are saying 2 things that are not logical.

Its not a foregone conclusion that the manipulations were non existent...you, nor I, have the facts...what we do have are historical experience and statements from some "insiders" and "players". Kissoon, because of his well known personality would have had more information than any one of us on GNI. We should not simply reject everything he says...he is in the trenches of Guyana.

You are ignoring this and now makes a "quantum leap" to suggest that this was all for the good...done for "good and unity"...This is yet to be seen.

Kapeech?

  

Kissoon, like you, is a fraud. Kissoon is a known coolie and Jagdeo hater.

skeldon_man posted:

D2 posted:

skeldon_man posted:

Are you saying that Dave is lying? Bai, you believe in Bucket Shit in the Face Freddy and doubting Dave? Dave is giving you first-hand information. Shit Face is selling his story for a price. Dave is for free. Who's telling the truth?

Use your brains. He does not have to lie for what happened to be true. That you take Kwame and Jason's side in being vindictive against Freddi ( another incident organized by PPP insiders) to throw fecal matter on him is also reflective why you think as you do. Who is telling the truth is clear if your math sense kicks in. If there are  a number of candidates, in this case 5 standing for a position where there are 35 electors it means 10 people at least are off the board for others to poach. Taking this ideal it means the numbers of electors remaining is 25. Any of them can win by splitting that number. If the "leader calls them in and advise them to withdraw" then the number doubles up for the leaders choice which is practically precisely what happened here.  

Ok, Einstein! If the votes were cast by secret ballots, any or all of those candidates could have rejected BJ's requests and vote for the candidate of his or her choice. Who would have known and what would have been the consequences? No one knows. And yes, I know you are going to criticize the "secret ballot" as garbage. It's all a moot point now. These guys did what they did for the good and unity of the party to throw the PNC out on the streets.

That is an illusion. In that small an electorate all votes are known as it would be in your house if you ask for your family preference to help in a decision.

Even if no one spoke and all went in blind as to preference  and the "leader" persuades 4 to pull out, who do you think they will vote for if not the leaders choice. They definitely will have to "rationalize" that with their "known" supporters who will want to be satisfied as to not feel betrayed.

The PPP does this all the times to up vote for the candidate of the headers choice and away from the one he/she does not want even if that person was favored. How do you think a no name person got into office in the personage of jagdeo over long standing in the trench stalwarts?

IF they wanted what was good they would widen the electorate to each of their members holding official office, (state of party), One like Ramson and other young people can play a part and make a difference to change the direction of the party into remaining cold war detritus with calcified positions.

D2 posted:

Dave posted:

 

Django posted:

Democracy in the PPP, Candidates asked to withdraw,who called them in to room ?? could it be the Rat ?

Still waiting on NEHRU the LOUD MOUTH, to educate the public, the process used by the PNCR to elect the Executive Members and Leader of their Party.

BS!!  spoke with Frank Monday . He was NEVER asked to redraw. I say no more on this. 

Ayo focus on the current government. Don’t worry about PPP. They are in opposition. 

Django, the PPP is like cow itche on you.. nah.

Long Live The PPP. 

You may have spoken to him and he may have told you the truth or what you need to hear but the fact he allowed his name to be in the list to close to voting means he is or was used as a tool to over load the system in preference for Iffart.  It is a nasty tactic for the party leader to concentrate votes for his favorite. The tactic would not be necessary if the intent was to get the best.

Wrote on this  a month ago when I said Ramson had a chance on the floor depending on how many candidates are in the race. To pull out at the end means second preference multiplies and the best man is not in the race. Where t here are small numbers of electors as this the result is insidiously persuasive towards making people go along with the chosen one that they would already know given their numbers.  You concentrate it towards the second best not the best. 

The PPP presidential selection process ought to be made constitutionally illegal. We got Trump when an electoral college concentrated the peoples vote in the us and  away from the majority consensus. Every Presidential candidate ought to be primaried.

How? It's better than holding a gun at Congress place. Should that be considered constitutional? Rest yourself. This is internal and the government has no business how they conduct their business.

skeldon_man posted:

How? It's better than holding a gun at Congress place. Should that be considered constitutional? Rest yourself. This is internal and the government has no business how they conduct their business.

That is the usual gratuitous bullshit that both APNU and PPPites retreat to when confronted with a contradiction in the argument under discussion. Of course, the necessity is to get the largest group doing the selecting in both instance. The PNC has a voting pool numbering in the hundreds and they use their own coercive methods to normalize the decision to a sacred cow of their choosing. It is the reason I have followed TK into believing the solution for party selecting candidates is for  each candidate be primaried nation wide as a component of  electoral reform. 

D2 posted:

Dave posted:

 

Django posted:

Democracy in the PPP, Candidates asked to withdraw,who called them in to room ?? could it be the Rat ?

Still waiting on NEHRU the LOUD MOUTH, to educate the public, the process used by the PNCR to elect the Executive Members and Leader of their Party.

BS!!  spoke with Frank Monday . He was NEVER asked to redraw. I say no more on this. 

Ayo focus on the current government. Don’t worry about PPP. They are in opposition. 

Django, the PPP is like cow itche on you.. nah.

Long Live The PPP. 

You may have spoken to him and he may have told you the truth or what you need to hear but the fact he allowed his name to be in the list to close to voting means he is or was used as a tool to over load the system in preference for Iffart.  It is a nasty tactic for the party leader to concentrate votes for his favorite. The tactic would not be necessary if the intent was to get the best.

Wrote on this  a month ago when I said Ramson had a chance on the floor depending on how many candidates are in the race. To pull out at the end means second preference multiplies and the best man is not in the race. Where t here are small numbers of electors as this the result is insidiously persuasive towards making people go along with the chosen one that they would already know given their numbers.  You concentrate it towards the second best not the best. 

The PPP presidential selection process ought to be made constitutionally illegal. We got Trump when an electoral college concentrated the peoples vote in the us and  away from the majority consensus. Every Presidential candidate ought to be primaried.

Respect.  I humbly bow.

Bibi Haniffa posted:

D2 posted:

Dave posted:

 

Django posted:

Democracy in the PPP, Candidates asked to withdraw,who called them in to room ?? could it be the Rat ?

Still waiting on NEHRU the LOUD MOUTH, to educate the public, the process used by the PNCR to elect the Executive Members and Leader of their Party.

BS!!  spoke with Frank Monday . He was NEVER asked to redraw. I say no more on this. 

Ayo focus on the current government. Don’t worry about PPP. They are in opposition. 

Django, the PPP is like cow itche on you.. nah.

Long Live The PPP. 

You may have spoken to him and he may have told you the truth or what you need to hear but the fact he allowed his name to be in the list to close to voting means he is or was used as a tool to over load the system in preference for Iffart.  It is a nasty tactic for the party leader to concentrate votes for his favorite. The tactic would not be necessary if the intent was to get the best.

Wrote on this  a month ago when I said Ramson had a chance on the floor depending on how many candidates are in the race. To pull out at the end means second preference multiplies and the best man is not in the race. Where t here are small numbers of electors as this the result is insidiously persuasive towards making people go along with the chosen one that they would already know given their numbers.  You concentrate it towards the second best not the best. 

The PPP presidential selection process ought to be made constitutionally illegal. We got Trump when an electoral college concentrated the peoples vote in the us and  away from the majority consensus. Every Presidential candidate ought to be primaried.

Respect.  I humbly bow.

Wow.  I guess, as D2 once said, you’re at easy on bended knees to the highest bidder.  Haven’t lost your touch one bit!

Today is BJs birthday, aren’t you sending your annual dear “king Bharrat” love poem?  Or is this year the “dear john” year. 

Now you can take up D2 on his pedestrian cafe offer!

VishMahabir posted:

skeldon_man posted:

Django posted:

Dave posted:

 

Django posted:

Democracy in the PPP, Candidates asked to withdraw,who called them in to room ?? could it be the Rat ?

Still waiting on NEHRU the LOUD MOUTH, to educate the public, the process used by the PNCR to elect the Executive Members and Leader of their Party.

BS!!  spoke with Frank Monday . He was NEVER asked to redraw.[Withdraw] I say no more on this.Ayo focus on the current government. Don’t worry about PPP. They are in opposition. Django, the PPP is like cow itche on you.. nah.

Long Live The PPP. 

What you are saying Freddie Kissoon lying ??

Are you saying that Dave is lying? Bai, you believe in Bucket Shit in the Face Freddy and doubting Dave? Dave is giving you first-hand information. Shit Face is selling his story for a price. Dave is for free. Who's telling the truth?

Well,

Lets, assume Kissoon is lying...

But, Why should people take Dave's word...?

How do we know Dave's version is the TRUTH?

Now we have 2 people who could possibly be lying or twisting the truth...so we have to look to previous patterns and behavior....and the little bits of information that is coming out from the insiders to put this picture together...no?

Frank Anthony as we call him Frankie is my neighbour, crossing into each other yard, missing wood fence or "Pallin Stave" ( ask Skelly about this and the Bucta story).  growing up with each other, sleeping on the same bed. We were in the Pioneer Youth Group of the PPP. Get locked up together and torture  by PNC tugs.

The truth, Frank has more history with PPP than Irfan. And Frank is Clean as a whistle. PPP is like our mother, can't go against each other..

I also call him out for ignoring the Enmore PPP supporters, but that's OK, we all make mistake. 

may be we wear each other Bucta back in the days … have to ask my mom on this one.

Baseman posted:

Bibi Haniffa posted:

D2 posted:

Dave posted:

 

Django posted:

Democracy in the PPP, Candidates asked to withdraw,who called them in to room ?? could it be the Rat ?

Still waiting on NEHRU the LOUD MOUTH, to educate the public, the process used by the PNCR to elect the Executive Members and Leader of their Party.

BS!!  spoke with Frank Monday . He was NEVER asked to redraw. I say no more on this. 

Ayo focus on the current government. Don’t worry about PPP. They are in opposition. 

Django, the PPP is like cow itche on you.. nah.

Long Live The PPP. 

You may have spoken to him and he may have told you the truth or what you need to hear but the fact he allowed his name to be in the list to close to voting means he is or was used as a tool to over load the system in preference for Iffart.  It is a nasty tactic for the party leader to concentrate votes for his favorite. The tactic would not be necessary if the intent was to get the best.

Wrote on this  a month ago when I said Ramson had a chance on the floor depending on how many candidates are in the race. To pull out at the end means second preference multiplies and the best man is not in the race. Where t here are small numbers of electors as this the result is insidiously persuasive towards making people go along with the chosen one that they would already know given their numbers.  You concentrate it towards the second best not the best. 

The PPP presidential selection process ought to be made constitutionally illegal. We got Trump when an electoral college concentrated the peoples vote in the us and  away from the majority consensus. Every Presidential candidate ought to be primaried.

Respect.  I humbly bow.

Wow.  I guess, as D2 once said, you’re at easy on bended knees to the highest bidder.  Haven’t lost your touch one bit!

Today is BJs birthday, aren’t you sending your annual dear “king Bharrat” love poem?  Or is this year the “dear john” year. 

Now you can take up D2 on his pedestrian cafe offer!

Wait you done lost that lil wuk already or you posting on GNI on the people time-clock.  You better don’t mek the Police Commissioner daughter find out or you might get fired again.  She live close by and claims you had sent her to that same office.

Dave posted:

 

Django posted:

Democracy in the PPP, Candidates asked to withdraw,who called them in to room ?? could it be the Rat ?

Still waiting on NEHRU the LOUD MOUTH, to educate the public, the process used by the PNCR to elect the Executive Members and Leader of their Party.

BS!!  spoke with Frank Monday . He was NEVER asked to redraw. I say no more on this. 

Ayo focus on the current government. Don’t worry about PPP. They are in opposition. 

Django, the PPP is like cow itche on you.. nah.

Long Live The PPP. 

Brother Dave,

It is good that you got firsthand information.

I ignore PPP haters like the clown D2 who plublicly claim that he prefers the PNC and Ganger over the PPP.

They can post piss all day long but we must stand together with the PPP and vote the racist and hapless PNC out of office. 

They must be driven from office !

I will be attending the Irfaan dinner in support of him. I might not eat because the lack of Vegan meals but I am sure that they will have a salad or something. 

Long live Irfaan Ali !!!!!

Long live the PPP !!!!!

Dave posted:

VishMahabir posted:

skeldon_man posted:

 

Well,

Lets, assume Kissoon is lying...

But, Why should people take Dave's word...?

How do we know Dave's version is the TRUTH?

Now we have 2 people who could possibly be lying or twisting the truth...so we have to look to previous patterns and behavior....and the little bits of information that is coming out from the insiders to put this picture together...no?

Frank Anthony as we call him Frankie is my neighbour, crossing into each other yard, missing wood fence or "Pallin Stave" ( ask Skelly about this and the Bucta story).  growing up with each other, sleeping on the same bed. We were in the Pioneer Youth Group of the PPP. Get locked up together and torture  by PNC tugs.

The truth, Frank has more history with PPP than Irfan. And Frank is Clean as a whistle. PPP is like our mother, can't go against each other..

I also call him out for ignoring the Enmore PPP supporters, but that's OK, we all make mistake. 

may be we wear each other Bucta back in the days … have to ask my mom on this one.

 

Your point??

Suh, you saying that Anthony so intimate with you (trading buktas, and all) that he tell you how things went down?

Well...just suh you know...I am a born again Christian...Christ appeared to me in a vision and he told me he had a secret to tell me...

He leaned over and whispered in my ear...."you have too much wax in yo ear Vish, vut watch out for dat one called Jagdeo...and dat intellectual fraudster..de Champion of the Earth rigged dis thing Vish"

Can your bukta story hold up to this one???

But dis might be over your head 

Bibi Haniffa posted:

Baseman posted:

Bibi Haniffa posted:

D2 posted:

Dave posted:

 

Django posted:

Democracy in the PPP, Candidates asked to withdraw,who called them in to room ?? could it be the Rat ?

Still waiting on NEHRU the LOUD MOUTH, to educate the public, the process used by the PNCR to elect the Executive Members and Leader of their Party.

BS!!  spoke with Frank Monday . He was NEVER asked to redraw. I say no more on this. 

Ayo focus on the current government. Don’t worry about PPP. They are in opposition. 

Django, the PPP is like cow itche on you.. nah.

Long Live The PPP. 

You may have spoken to him and he may have told you the truth or what you need to hear but the fact he allowed his name to be in the list to close to voting means he is or was used as a tool to over load the system in preference for Iffart.  It is a nasty tactic for the party leader to concentrate votes for his favorite. The tactic would not be necessary if the intent was to get the best.

Wrote on this  a month ago when I said Ramson had a chance on the floor depending on how many candidates are in the race. To pull out at the end means second preference multiplies and the best man is not in the race. Where t here are small numbers of electors as this the result is insidiously persuasive towards making people go along with the chosen one that they would already know given their numbers.  You concentrate it towards the second best not the best. 

The PPP presidential selection process ought to be made constitutionally illegal. We got Trump when an electoral college concentrated the peoples vote in the us and  away from the majority consensus. Every Presidential candidate ought to be primaried.

Respect.  I humbly bow.

Wow.  I guess, as D2 once said, you’re at easy on bended knees to the highest bidder.  Haven’t lost your touch one bit!

Today is BJs birthday, aren’t you sending your annual dear “king Bharrat” love poem?  Or is this year the “dear john” year. 

Now you can take up D2 on his pedestrian cafe offer!

Wait you done lost that lil wuk already or you posting on GNI on the people time-clock.  You better don’t mek the Police Commissioner daughter find out or you might get fired again.  She live close by and claims you had sent her to that same office.

Juss like you. There’s something called iPhone. You watch out with that Pa guys.  

Now, how about that BJ love letter?  

Django posted:

Dave posted:

 

Django posted:

Democracy in the PPP, Candidates asked to withdraw,who called them in to room ?? could it be the Rat ?

Still waiting on NEHRU the LOUD MOUTH, to educate the public, the process used by the PNCR to elect the Executive Members and Leader of their Party.

BS!!  spoke with Frank Monday . He was NEVER asked to redraw.[Withdraw] I say no more on this.Ayo focus on the current government. Don’t worry about PPP. They are in opposition. Django, the PPP is like cow itche on you.. nah.

Long Live The PPP. 

What you are saying Freddie Kissoon lying ??

NO!! You are the LYING DOG!!!

Welcome to democracy PPP style. Hahaha. Imagine the Piss Pot Porters always chanting about democracy and their selection of a presidential candidate was rigged Commie Style. Democratic Centralism still alive in FreeDumb House.

One doesnt have to read Animal Farm to do a book review of it. Just an analysis of the PPP will do.  Nehru, Skeldon and the crew are the sheep who screamed "4 legs good, 2 legs better" minutes before their Lord Jagdeo sent them off to be converted to mutton.

caribny posted:

One doesnt have to read Animal Farm to do a book review of it. Just an analysis of the PPP will do.  Nehru, Skeldon and the crew are the sheep who screamed "4 legs good, 2 legs better" minutes before their Lord Jagdeo sent them off to be converted to mutton.

We were dealt a hand and we have to play with it. No changing the rules in the middle of the game. No guns allowed.

skeldon_man posted:

caribny posted:

One doesnt have to read Animal Farm to do a book review of it. Just an analysis of the PPP will do.  Nehru, Skeldon and the crew are the sheep who screamed "4 legs good, 2 legs better" minutes before their Lord Jagdeo sent them off to be converted to mutton.

We were dealt a hand and we have to play with it. No changing the rules in the middle of the game. No guns allowed.

Perfect Animal Farm sheep response.  No original thought on your part. Just genuflecting to Lord Bharat.

caribny posted:

skeldon_man posted:

caribny posted:

One doesnt have to read Animal Farm to do a book review of it. Just an analysis of the PPP will do.  Nehru, Skeldon and the crew are the sheep who screamed "4 legs good, 2 legs better" minutes before their Lord Jagdeo sent them off to be converted to mutton.

We were dealt a hand and we have to play with it. No changing the rules in the middle of the game. No guns allowed.

Perfect Animal Farm sheep response.  No original thought on your part. Just genuflecting to Lord Bharat.

You should focus your efforts on the PNC.  You always said Nagamootoo and the AFC brought nothing to the table.  So now go prove you can win. 

yuji22 posted:

Brother Dave,

It is good that you got firsthand information.

I ignore PPP haters like the clown D2 who plublicly claim that he prefers the PNC and Ganger over the PPP.

They can post piss all day long but we must stand together with the PPP and vote the racist and hapless PNC out of office. 

They must be driven from office !

I will be attending the Irfaan dinner in support of him. I might not eat because the lack of Vegan meals but I am sure that they will have a salad or something. 

Long live Irfaan Ali !!!!!

Long live the PPP !!!!!

He may have spoken to the fellow but he was objectively misled and misinformed. The reason to withdraw a candidacy at the last moment is to show support for the chosen one so the vote is not watered down.  It is also to keep ones support so they get cues of what to do based on what I do. This was a jerry rigged vote and it is the way all PPP vote goes.  It is the reason Moses is in the opposition and the mortal enemy of the PPP

I have no preference between the PPP or the PNC in this contest. If asked to commit, based of that fat fart's thievery and corruption in office that he came from church mouse to fat cat in 3 years I definitely will side with the pretend jesus Granger. I know this fat  freak has no shame and no soul. Granger at least can be publicly shamed.

Mars posted:

Welcome to democracy PPP style. Hahaha. Imagine the Piss Pot Porters always chanting about democracy and their selection of a presidential candidate was rigged Commie Style. Democratic Centralism still alive in FreeDumb House.

the surprising part is no one seem to care that he rigged the vote...he reduced the candidate list initially by making a motion that candidates cannot come outside the central committee of 15. Then five people came fort to place their names. In a straight secret ballot the probability would be high for any of them winning. Because of that, and given the popularity of anil, he waited until the last moment, took four in the room council ed them to pull out 

This crowd will soon be yapping that Granger rig the vote if they lose. 

Baseman posted:

 

You should focus your efforts on the PNC.  You always said Nagamootoo and the AFC brought nothing to the table.  So now go prove you can win. 

Its you who should help them. You become hysterical with rage about my opinion of Burnham and Granger.  You like those men more than I do, so go help them out.

D2 posted:

. Because of that, and given the popularity of anil, he waited until the last moment, took four in the room council ed them to pull out 

Not sure that Anil was that popular as if he was he would have done better than 9 votes (Anthony and Vindhya would have voted for themselves).  He wanted to ensure that Irfaan got him.

Anil is as unscrupulous and as power drunk as is Jagdeo. He is also intelligent so soon would have tired of being Jagdeo's poodle. Better a buffoon like Irfaan who will make a "brilliant" spectacle for Guyana, if he wins, when he makes his first UN GA speech.  Jagdeo will write it for him. Hopefully the concepts aren't beyond Alli's cognitive capabilities.

caribny posted:

D2 posted:

. Because of that, and given the popularity of anil, he waited until the last moment, took four in the room council ed them to pull out 

Not sure that Anil was that popular as if he was he would have done better than 9 votes (Anthony and Vindhya would have voted for themselves).  He wanted to ensure that Irfaan got him.

Anil is as unscrupulous and as power drunk as is Jagdeo. He is also intelligent so soon would have tired of being Jagdeo's poodle. Better a buffoon like Irfaan who will make a "brilliant" spectacle for Guyana, if he wins, when he makes his first UN GA speech.  Jagdeo will write it for him. Hopefully the concepts aren't beyond Alli's cognitive capabilities.

You might be overplaying your own expectations.  And yes, you are correct, Anil has a problem in the CC.  Some view him as a self promoter. At least that’s the perception.  

Irfaan has more grassroots support in some regions.  Let’s see if it scales nationally.  But then again, there is Bharrat Juggernaut!  What he says goes and what he wants he gets!

The Juggernauth will DELIVER. Yuh see how Dem Afro Binnies does kiss he up and thing