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Inside the mind of the Guyanese Indian supremacist

May 9, 2015 | By | Filed Under Features / Columnists, Freddie Kissoon 

 

There isn’t any Guyanese observer of politics who could honestly say they weren’t surprised at the sudden shamelessly barefaced support given by certain Indian Guyanese to the PPP campaign. It was such a change in attitude that it obviously stunned the average person who takes an interest in Guyanese politics.

 

Every Guyanese knows the following – Rickey Singh is a sycophantic supporter of Indian rule; Ravi Dev is a devout preacher of Indian domination of Guyana; David Dabydeen’s PPP embrace is race-determined.
Peter Ramsaroop went back to his Indian self. But out of nowhere came Indian faces that were long invisible and their outstretched hands were holding the PPP flag as high as where the stallion meets the sun (as Barry Manilow sung in his famous song).

 

So-called novelist, Ryhaan Shah sprang up out of the blue demanding that Guyanese be told of the bad past of the PNC Government. So-called swami, Mr. Aksharananda, whom we all thought had gone to live in permanent meditation in India, told us that voting for the PPP is an act of Indian pride; Baytoram Ramharack, who disappeared almost a decade ago, now informs us that once you are Indian then the PPP is the party for you; an Indian letter-writer, Rakesh Rampertab who just like Ramharack had long gone into hibernation, now serenades us with the qualities of the so-called swami.

 

These “rediscoverees” have been joined by the “transformees”. Other acts in the transformation business include former PPP enemy Asgar Ally, sacked KN journalist Leon Suseran, and sacked Stabroek News columnist, Shaun Samaroo. Bulkan still cannot believe that these “transformees” who just two months ago were condemning the horrific misrule of the PPP, see the PPP as the party that must win the election.

 

What do the “rediscoverees” and “transformees” have in common? They are Indian supremacists. An Indian government in Guyana must be preserved even though it has descended to the bottomless pit of immorality, criminality, murders, drug trafficking, money-laundering, extra-judicial bestialities, pathological kleptocracy, sickening incestuousness; family domination of state institutions, habitual domestic abuse, conspiratorial attempts to physically harm the media, and semi-civilized conduct that makes Philistine behaviour look like child’s play.


For these Indian supremacists, any depraved Indian government would be better than a government in Guyana headed by African people.

 

For these Indian supremacists, Indian people must vote for the PPP because it is an Indian party. Its decadence and repulsive rule are inconsequential because Guyana is a permanent struggle between Indian blood and African ethnicity – there isn’t anything in between; Indian people must accept that in periodic elections, they do not have a choice.

 

Guyanese Indian supremacy is a very dangerous game, because it is a permanent recipe for racial instability. It reminds African Guyanese that their efforts at making Guyana a democratic country during the Burnham era were a silly act.

 

This is where the supremacist mind is very evil. It disrespects the bravery of African Guyanese who fought an African-dominated regime in the seventies and eighties.

 

In other words, the Indian supremacist says everyday to African Guyanese who weakened the Burnham Government; “You were stupid to go against your own race, people don’t go against their own ethnic government, we will not go against the Indian PPP Government.”

 

This is enormous disrespect for the African Guyanese who fought for democracy and free and fair elections. The list includes some great Guyanese – Clive Thomas, Walter Rodney, Eusi Kwayana, Dr. Omawale, Dr. David Hinds, Tacuma Ogunseye, Professor Rudy James, Professor Harold Lutchman, Andaiye, Llewellyn John, Lincoln Lewis, Kwame Apata, Bonita Bone, Bert Wilkinson, Ohene Koama, Gordon Todd, George Daniels, Brenda Do Harris.

 

I have to stop here because the list is exhaustive. These names just came to mind. To these great Guyanese, the Indian supremacist says – “you were all fools to do what you did.”

 

The Indian supremacists cannot recognize this superlative era in Guyanese history because if they do, it exposes the evil in their mind. This fantastic period in the evolution of post-colonial Guyana reveals that the African Guyanese was more concerned with safeguarding the freedoms and liberties gained in the anti-colonial struggle than the ethnic group that controlled the post-colonial state.


The Indian supremacist mind shuts out the memory of Desmond Hoyte. Desmond Hoyte is the nemesis of Guyanese Indian racist supremacy. If there is anything the mind of the Indian supremacist cannot accept or even recognize is the era of the reign of Guyana’s most excellent President, Desmond Hoyte.

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Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
Every group always has its share of useful idiots. Freddie is the coolie useful idiot du jour.

Freddie didn't find u important enuf to list

 

feeling sour?

FM
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
Every group always has its share of useful idiots. Freddie is the coolie useful idiot du jour.

Freddie failed to understand the thinking of the elitist Indians. And he failed to separate those Indians from the every day Guyanese Indians. That is a very complex issue.

 

The commentaries on timehritoday tried to address those concerns for the Guyanese society at large.

 

Every body seems to thinks they can tell the Indians how they should think. Moses Nagamootoo seemed to think he simply tell them to vote other that the PPP.

 

Back in the 50's, the then organizers of the PPP done too much of good job. To unlock those precepts, it needs  alot of work-not only at election time. 

S
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
Every group always has its share of useful idiots. Freddie is the coolie useful idiot du jour.

YOU are the idiot.  Freddie described the struggles of the WPA where they fought against an African govt.  Among the WPA activists were many who were Afro Guyanese rights activists, like Kwayana and Rodney. They fought against an Afro Guyanese dictatorship because it was wrong.  They formed cross ethnic alliances with people like Rupert Roopnarine and even the PPP to end the Burnham regime.

 

But you are an Indo fascist so this fact escapes you.

 

You have revealed yourself to be the shallow racist man that you are!

 

You also don't care about the future of Indo Guyanese.  When they become a Minority if ethnic rule, that you advocate, remains the rule, then they will be cast aside and ignored. 

 

It is in the interests of Indians, as their numbers dwindle, due to migration and miscegenation, that they become part of cross ethnic alliances.  And not folding their arms and waiting for others to invite them.  They have to be an integral part of those who work to develop this form of governance in Guyana!

FM
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This is an amazing of Freddie, I agree with much that he has said but one must examine his own metamorphosis.

 

The man is actually writing about Burnham without cussing him?

 

FK is the definition of Metamorphosis.

FM

I think Peter and Rickey Singh are married to black women. This is a little more complicated that Freedie is making it out to be. There are Indians who are supporting the coalition, but none was mentioned. If the PPP wins the Freedies of Guyana will need to ask some tough questions how they did so when Indians are below 40% of the population. Perhaps the answer lies in a closer examination of Peter and Rickey Singh.

FM
Originally Posted by seignet:

all 27 commentaries on www.timehritoday.blogspot.com addressed the impact of the Jagans on the minds of the Indo Guyanese. 

It has become very clear that even though the gang of eight are very powerful and Roar/Mr.Rai are in the hearts and minds of many East Indians both could not break the Jagan support in the East Indian community.  It is only a matter of time before the Jagans reestablish control of the PPP party.  

 

So I hope a moderate Jagan such as a Pat or a Barbara steps forward and brings about unity of the Guyanese people.

FM
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Originally Posted by Wally:
Originally Posted by seignet:

all 27 commentaries on www.timehritoday.blogspot.com addressed the impact of the Jagans on the minds of the Indo Guyanese. 

It has become very clear that even though the gang of eight are very powerful and Roar/Mr.Rai are in the hearts and minds of many East Indians both could not break the Jagan support in the East Indian community.  It is only a matter of time before the Jagans reestablish control of the PPP party.  

 

So I hope a moderate Jagan such as a Pat or a Barbara steps forward and brings about unity of the Guyanese people.

It is not the support of the Jagans. East Indians have moved beyond the Jagans. 

 

East Indians doan view themselves as being part of the Guyanese society. They feel they are intransit. Waiting for that Visa or opportunity to usher them out of Guyana. 

 

On to this day, some holidays in Guyana are termed as "Black People Holidays." Emancipation Day (August Monday) has significance for East Indians as the day of the Port Mourant Races. Many EasT iNdian doan know the reason for that holiday.

 

Once, I met Dr. Anthony at a gathering in Toronto. I casually asked him what was done to gradually educate all Guyanese on the history of the country through televisin programming. As with everything in GOG, the mantra, "THe government doan have money for such things."

 

I plan to take the same pitch to Granger, whenever I get to meet him.

S
Originally Posted by seignet:
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
Every group always has its share of useful idiots. Freddie is the coolie useful idiot du jour.

Freddie failed to understand the thinking of the elitist Indians. And he failed to separate those Indians from the every day Guyanese Indians. That is a very complex issue.

 

The commentaries on timehritoday tried to address those concerns for the Guyanese society at large.

 

Every body seems to thinks they can tell the Indians how they should think. Moses Nagamootoo seemed to think he simply tell them to vote other that the PPP.

 

Back in the 50's, the then organizers of the PPP done too much of good job. To unlock those precepts, it needs  alot of work-not only at election time. 

Every body seems to thinks they can tell the Indians how they should think. Moses Nagamootoo seemed to think he simply tell them to vote other that the PPP.

 

Seig(heil) you seem to have missed the election campaigning these past few weeks.

 

Nagamootoo has been highlighting the corruption and incompetence of the PPP despite his clamor for changes, starting with the undemocratic Central Committee/Executive Committee "selections". He does not just say don't vote PPP. That would be foolish. He addresses Indians for their particular concerns and Blacks for their particular concerns as any running politician should. You're not going to go in to a sugar area and talk rice, would you?

 

He is certainly not thinking he can tell anyone how they should think. that has been a monopoly of the PPP regarding Indians. You let  a Freudian slip fellah, because that is stock PPP behavior -thinking they own us Indians and telling us how we should think. This is the part of ;'insulting" us I've been shouting in this forum all this time - the arrogance and hubris of the likes of Jagdeo, Nanadalall, Ashni,Bheri, goat man, etc.

Kari
Originally Posted by seignet:
Freddie failed to understand the thinking of the elitist Indians. And he failed to separate those Indians from the every day Guyanese Indians. That is a very complex issue . . .

in this piece, at least, Freddie was speaking about a specific class of educated Indian Guyanese

 

he spoke to their [potential] influence on, but did not conflate them with ordinary Indo folk

 

yes, it is a complex issue

FM
Originally Posted by TK:

I think Peter and Rickey Singh are married to black women. This is a little more complicated that Freedie is making it out to be. There are Indians who are supporting the coalition, but none was mentioned. If the PPP wins the Freedies of Guyana will need to ask some tough questions how they did so when Indians are below 40% of the population. Perhaps the answer lies in a closer examination of Peter and Rickey Singh.

it is self-evident, beyond argument that thousands upon thousands of Indo-Guyanese are supporting the Coalition

 

Freddie Kissoon is one of them . . . his article was about a crew of former PPP critics and their (late-in-the-day) motivation(s)

 

Kissoon specifically makes the point that he is not examining the Ravi Devs, the David Dabydeens, the Rickey Singhs or even the Peter Ramsaroops riding the PPP bandwagon!

 

as to Rickey Singh, who indeed married a Black woman, and is nominally a Christian, i'll hazard a guess that the "complexity" one would find in examining his see-no-PPP-evil writings these past seventeen years or so would make Mephistopheles blush [sad disclosure: i have been reading this man consistently since i was a lil bai and, though overseas, subscribed to Caribbean Contact during the PNC years primarily because of what i considered to be his truth-telling]

FM
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Ricky Singh was married to a Guyanese girl. They met at an Assemblies of God Church  They had a very successful 50 year marriage. How many fellows on this board has been tied to a woman for 50 years.

FM
Originally Posted by TK:

when Indians are below 40% of the population.

Because as I am sick and tired of telling you, Indians account for more than 40% of the voting age population.

 

The demographics of the 40%, who are below voting age, and the rest who are above, are very different.  The mixed population increased by 70% between 1991 and what rumors suggest that it was in 2012. 

 

Given that the total population increased by a mere 3% clearly a very high % of this mixed population is either below voting age, or barely above it.  Young people in most societies have lower voter turn out.

 

The voting age and actively voting population is still very Indian and African. Maybe even as much as 80-85%.  Amerindian voter turn out (based on the interior turn out) is much lower than that of others. 

FM
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Originally Posted by Wally:

Ricky Singh was married to a Guyanese girl. They met at an Assemblies of God Church  They had a very successful 50 year marriage. How many fellows on this board has been tied to a woman for 50 years.

46 years and going...

R
Originally Posted by seignet:
 

East Indians doan view themselves as being part of the Guyanese society. They feel they are intransit. Waiting for that Visa or opportunity to usher them out of Guyana. 

 

.

So you do understand why most Africans and mixed people are very concerned about Indian rule.  They experienced the fact that Indians tend to be ethnically exclusive, inward looking, and having little use or respect for non Indians, unless they happen to be white.

 

This is where the belief of the clannish Indian arises.

 

I have no hope for any ethnic unity until Indians figure out how to exist within a multi ethnic, multi cultural and multi religious society. The screams of people like rev, yuji, and Shaitaan are strong evidence of this difficulty.

FM
Originally Posted by Kari:
and Blacks for their particular concerns as any running politician should.

What concerns specific to blacks does he address?  Curious to find out.

 

Never heard him discuss discrimination in employment and elsewhere.

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by seignet:

East Indians doan view themselves as being part of the Guyanese society. They feel they are intransit. Waiting for that Visa or opportunity to usher them out of Guyana. 

So you do understand why most Africans and mixed people are very concerned about Indian rule.  They experienced the fact that Indians tend to be ethnically exclusive, inward looking, and having little use or respect for non Indians, unless they happen to be white.

 

This is where the belief of the clannish Indian arises.

 

I have no hope for any ethnic unity until Indians figure out how to exist within a multi ethnic, multi cultural and multi religious society. The screams of people like rev, yuji, and Shaitaan are strong evidence of this difficulty.

the broad brush aproach of both of u is sad and bigoted on so many levels

 

step back a bit and look in the mirror as you chastise the extremists on GNI and flaunt your fine progressive credentials

FM
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Originally Posted by redux:
 

step back a bit and look in the mirror as you chastise the extremists on GNI and flaunt your fine progressive credentials

Continue to wallow in your ideological abyss and hypocrisy.

 

The supporters of the PPP are hardly fringe.

FM
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Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by redux:

the broad brush aproach of both of u is sad and bigoted on so many levels

 

step back a bit and look in the mirror as you chastise the extremists on GNI and flaunt your fine progressive credentials

Continue to wallow in your ideological abyss and hypocrisy.

 

The supporters of the PPP are hardly fringe.

well, show me the "abyss" where i wallow and point out the "hypocricy" . . .

 

this kind of unthinking outburst moves u squarely into Oswald Bates/Baseman territory

FM
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Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by TK:

when Indians are below 40% of the population.

Because as I am sick and tired of telling you, Indians account for more than 40% of the voting age population.

 

The demographics of the 40%, who are below voting age, and the rest who are above, are very different.  The mixed population increased by 70% between 1991 and what rumors suggest that it was in 2012. 

 

Given that the total population increased by a mere 3% clearly a very high % of this mixed population is either below voting age, or barely above it.  Young people in most societies have lower voter turn out.

 

The voting age and actively voting population is still very Indian and African. Maybe even as much as 80-85%.  Amerindian voter turn out (based on the interior turn out) is much lower than that of others. 

Yea? Did you take some random samples and bootstrap them? You are talking nonsense. Oh, so they started sexing across race after 1992? What accounted for that dramatic increase? BTW, Clive Thomas once addressed this issue. The sudden jump in mixed population has to do with how people define themselves in the surveys. I don't find your point convincing. 

FM
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by redux:
 

step back a bit and look in the mirror as you chastise the extremists on GNI and flaunt your fine progressive credentials

Continue to wallow in your ideological abyss and hypocrisy.

 

The supporters of the PPP are hardly fringe.

well, show me the "abyss" where i wallow and point out the "hypocricy" . . .

 

this kind of unthinking outburst moves u squarely into Oswald Bates/Baseman territory

I guess you will deny that Africans have misgivings about the PPP, even before its corrupt practices became widespread.

 

Figure out for yourself why this is.   Then link it to comments made by seignet.

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by redux:
 

step back a bit and look in the mirror as you chastise the extremists on GNI and flaunt your fine progressive credentials

Continue to wallow in your ideological abyss and hypocrisy.

 

The supporters of the PPP are hardly fringe.

well, show me the "abyss" where i wallow and point out the "hypocricy" . . .

 

this kind of unthinking outburst moves u squarely into Oswald Bates/Baseman territory

I guess you will deny that Africans have misgivings about the PPP, even before its corrupt practices became widespread.

 

Figure out for yourself why this is.   Then link it to comments made by seignet.

classic pivot for those in a corner who have run out of argument:

 

"I guess you will deny . . ."

 

red herring much?

 

again, please point to my "abyss" and my "hypocricy"

FM
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Originally Posted by redux:
have run out of argumen
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by redux:
 

"I guess you will deny . . ."

 

red herring much?

That is you running into a corner with semantics instead of dealing with the issue.  In 1992 the PPP did NOT get the African/mixed vote, nor did they get it in 1997, even though at that point they weren't seen as any more corrupt than was the PNC in its time.

 

Now concoct for yourself the reason for this if you don't accept my premise.

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by seignet:
 

East Indians doan view themselves as being part of the Guyanese society. They feel they are intransit. Waiting for that Visa or opportunity to usher them out of Guyana. 

 

.

So you do understand why most Africans and mixed people are very concerned about Indian rule.  They experienced the fact that Indians tend to be ethnically exclusive, inward looking, and having little use or respect for non Indians, unless they happen to be white.

 

This is where the belief of the clannish Indian arises.

 

I have no hope for any ethnic unity until Indians figure out how to exist within a multi ethnic, multi cultural and multi religious society. The screams of people like rev, yuji, and Shaitaan are strong evidence of this difficulty.

 

This is some serious racist comments, CaribJ! Anyhow, I like to let the data do the talking. It is much better than pissing in the wind. FYI:

 

Table 2A         Source of votes and party identification by ethnicity

2014 Survey

Ethnic identification with parties - %

 

PPP

PNC

AFC

Mixed

22.0

54.1

18.9

Amerindian

66.7

11.1

22.2

Black

7.1

89.3

3.6

Indian

83.5

1.2

15.3

    

2009 Survey

Source of votes by ethnicity - %

 

PPP

PNC

AFC

Mixed

11.3

22.7

39.6

Amerindian

16.3

4.0

11.5

Black

3.7

71.5

31.7

Indian

68.7

1.7

17.3

    

2006 Survey

Ethnic identification with parties - %

 

PPP

PNC

AFC

Mixed

21.7

48.7

23.9

Amerindian

42.1

31.6

21.1

Black

6.5

76.1

14.1

Indian

85.7

3.1

3.1

Source: LAPOP 2006, 2009 and 2014

 

 

 

 

 

FM

In 2014 the AFC had an Indian leader.  Only 1% of Indians supported a party not led by an Indian, whereas 11% of blacks supported a party led by an Indian.

 

Your point?  BTW what election occurred in 2009?

 

TK examine how Africans and Indians view "douglarization".  That will go a long way in figuring out different attitudes towards ethnicity and multi ethnic identities.

 

Reality is that Africans have a more fluid ethnic identity, place primary emphasis on being Guyanese, and display decent levels of openness in entering into multi ethnic unions, or supporting family members who do.  Africans view themselves primarily as "Guyanese" operating within a "Caribbean" context.  Their culture is creole, which is a synthesis of many different cultures.

 

Clearly Indians are different in many respects.  Clearly within a mono racial rule context this raises challenges.

FM
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Originally Posted by caribny:
That is you running into a corner with semantics instead of dealing with the issue.  In 1992 the PPP did NOT get the African/mixed vote, nor did they get it in 1997, even though at that point they weren't seen as any more corrupt than was the PNC in its time.

 

Now concoct for yourself the reason for this if you don't accept my premise.

dude, that is a conversation u are having with SOMEONE ELSE!

 

pay attention . . . this is where i came in:

 

by redux: "the broad brush aproach of both of u is sad and bigoted on so many levels

 

step back a bit and look in the mirror as you chastise the extremists on GNI and flaunt your fine progressive credentials"

FM
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Originally Posted by caribny:

In 2014 the AFC had an Indian leader.  Only 1% of Indians supported a party not led by an Indian, whereas 11% of blacks supported a party led by an Indian.

 

Your point?

 

TK examine how Africans and Indians view "douglarization".  That will go a long way in figuring out different attitudes towards ethnicity and multi ethnic identities.

These are all anecdotes and hearsay. They will never pass the basic test of scientific inquiry. There are all kinds of anecdotes and things being said on the ground by common people right now. Not very pleasant. But I don't want to generalize. The leaders statements we can generalize.

FM
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by caribny:
That is you running into a corner with semantics instead of dealing with the issue.  In 1992 the PPP did NOT get the African/mixed vote, nor did they get it in 1997, even though at that point they weren't seen as any more corrupt than was the PNC in its time.

 

Now concoct for yourself the reason for this if you don't accept my premise.

dude, that is a conversation u are having with SOMEONE ELSE!

 

pay attention . . . this is where i came in:

 

by redux: "the broad brush aproach of both of u is sad and bigoted on so many levels

 

step back a bit and look in the mirror as you chastise the extremists on GNI and flaunt your fine progressive credentials"

Redux not in the mood to argue nonsense with you.   Now either develop your notion as to why the PPP did NOT get support from Africans in 1997, or babble alone.   NOTE to you.  The PPP wasn't regarded as any more corrupt or incompetent than was Hoyte when he lost power.  So there is another reason.

FM
Originally Posted by TK:
.

These are all anecdotes and hearsay. They will never pass the basic test of scientific inquiry. There are all kinds of anecdotes and things being said on the ground by common people right now. Not very pleasant. But I don't want to generalize. The leaders statements we can generalize.

So you are going to tell me that the dominant opinion of Indians towards douglarization is neutral and that these marriages/cohabitations are regarded the same way as if it was between two Indians.

 

There is a reason why the vast majority of mixed people in Guyana are part African.  Africans don't sanction these arrangements and are more likely to accept the offspring.

 

Now back to your data which shows that blacks were 10X more likely to support parties led by Indians than were Indians likely to support black led parties.

FM
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"Because as I am sick and tired of telling you, Indians account for more than 40% of the voting age population."

 

Carib,lets work some numbers here

 

Current estimates  2015

 

Guyana population(est)              750,0000

Indos 40%                 300,000

 

Indos voting age population         ________

 

2015 registered voters(est)       =     500,000

_______________________________________

2011 election result

2011 registered voters =475,496

PPP votes received  =166,340

____________________________________________

 

Can you fill in the Indo voting populalation.

 

Sorry i am late have to look TK stat.

Django
Last edited by Django
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by caribny:
That is you running into a corner with semantics instead of dealing with the issue.  In 1992 the PPP did NOT get the African/mixed vote, nor did they get it in 1997, even though at that point they weren't seen as any more corrupt than was the PNC in its time.

 

Now concoct for yourself the reason for this if you don't accept my premise.

dude, that is a conversation u are having with SOMEONE ELSE!

 

pay attention . . . this is where i came in:

 

by redux: "the broad brush aproach of both of u is sad and bigoted on so many levels

 

step back a bit and look in the mirror as you chastise the extremists on GNI and flaunt your fine progressive credentials"

Redux not in the mood to argue nonsense with you.   Now either develop your notion as to why the PPP did NOT get support from Africans in 1997, or babble alone.   NOTE to you.  The PPP wasn't regarded as any more corrupt or incompetent than was Hoyte when he lost power.  So there is another reason.

whattt!!!? . . . which phantom "redux" are u wrestling with on this thread?

 

batshit crazy doesn't even begin to describe your hallucinatory outpourings here

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by TK:
.

These are all anecdotes and hearsay. They will never pass the basic test of scientific inquiry. There are all kinds of anecdotes and things being said on the ground by common people right now. Not very pleasant. But I don't want to generalize. The leaders statements we can generalize.

So you are going to tell me that the dominant opinion of Indians towards douglarization is neutral and that these marriages/cohabitations are regarded the same way as if it was between two Indians.

 

There is a reason why the vast majority of mixed people in Guyana are part African.  Africans don't sanction these arrangements and are more likely to accept the offspring.

 

Now back to your data which shows that blacks were 10X more likely to support parties led by Indians than were Indians likely to support black led parties.

 

You have to develop a more serious test of your thesis of clannishness. One variable: interracial relationship is not enough. You have to come up with a comprehensive list of variables and survey attitudes, including voting behavior. Then interact (multiply) these other variables with your interracial factor to see whether your thesis stands. As they say, you have to control for many other factors. Only then you can rule out all the confounding third, fourth factors of clannishness and boldly declare: see look those nasty racist Indos. This is why I despise all those hacks doing word  based evaluations. Too much generalizations on anecdotes and hearsay like the Kean Gibson book. They should all be forced to retrain in quantitative reasoning.

FM
Originally Posted by Wally:

Ricky Singh was married to a Guyanese girl. They met at an Assemblies of God Church  They had a very successful 50 year marriage. How many fellows on this board has been tied to a woman for 50 years.

me.

S
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by seignet:

East Indians doan view themselves as being part of the Guyanese society. They feel they are intransit. Waiting for that Visa or opportunity to usher them out of Guyana. 

So you do understand why most Africans and mixed people are very concerned about Indian rule.  They experienced the fact that Indians tend to be ethnically exclusive, inward looking, and having little use or respect for non Indians, unless they happen to be white.

 

This is where the belief of the clannish Indian arises.

 

I have no hope for any ethnic unity until Indians figure out how to exist within a multi ethnic, multi cultural and multi religious society. The screams of people like rev, yuji, and Shaitaan are strong evidence of this difficulty.

the broad brush aproach of both of u is sad and bigoted on so many levels

 

step back a bit and look in the mirror as you chastise the extremists on GNI and flaunt your fine progressive credentials

If u hear one East Indian vent those comment, that is one too many. 

 

East Indians on the Corentyne are a very different people. When Freedie Kisson taks about East Indians he neglect to consider in which community they were culturally developed.

S
Originally Posted by Django:

"Because as I am sick and tired of telling you, Indians account for more than 40% of the voting age population."

 

Carib,lets work some numbers here

 

Current estimates  2015

 

Guyana population(est)              750,0000

Indos 40%                 300,000

 

Indos voting age population         ________

 

2015 registered voters(est)       =     500,000

_______________________________________

2011 election result

2011 registered voters =475,496

PPP votes received  =166,340

____________________________________________

 

Can you fill in the Indo voting populalation.

 

Sorry i am late have to look TK stat.

Mixed population in 1991 86k.  Rumored mixed population in 2012 147k.  70% increase.

 

Can you suggest how this population increased if the mixed account for the same % of the voting age population as they do of the population overall?

 

It appears to me as if most of this will be based on more births of mixed kids since 1991.  Some one born in 1992 is 23.  No one born after 1997 can vote.  So we can deduce that most of these people are either too young to vote, or are still in that age cohort which is less likely to vote.

 

Opinions of the importance of the Indian vote depend on the assumptions that people have of the mixed VOTING AGE population.

FM
Last edited by Former Member
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by redux:
 

step back a bit and look in the mirror as you chastise the extremists on GNI and flaunt your fine progressive credentials

Continue to wallow in your ideological abyss and hypocrisy.

 

The supporters of the PPP are hardly fringe.

well, show me the "abyss" where i wallow and point out the "hypocricy" . . .

 

this kind of unthinking outburst moves u squarely into Oswald Bates/Baseman territory

I guess you will deny that Africans have misgivings about the PPP, even before its corrupt practices became widespread.

 

Figure out for yourself why this is.   Then link it to comments made by seignet.

Redux probably is a young fella. East Indians doan wake up each morning and say today I am going to pledge another day to hating black people. They are not educated that way either. The MISTRUST is equally shared by both blacks and Indians. And that might be in the majority. 

 

Hopefully, the new government will make it a priority to start a sly campaign into dispensing historical facts to the general public. Citizens do not know or understand the country's history.

S
Originally Posted by seignet:
 
Originally Posted by seignet:

East Indians doan view themselves as being part of the Guyanese society. They feel they are intransit. Waiting for that Visa or opportunity to usher them out of Guyana. 

 

If u hear one East Indian vent those comment, that is one too many. 

 

East Indians on the Corentyne are a very different people. When Freedie Kisson taks about East Indians he neglect to consider in which community they were culturally developed.

So expand upon your comments, because they conform very much to the fears that Africans in particular have of mono racial Indian rule.

FM

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