The blacks are acting like they are doing the police officer's job. They are telling a cop not to have emotions with decisions. I hope my system protects the officers and prevent a riot in case the officer Derek Chauvin is found innocent.
The blacks should stop acting like they are not aware of their thinking process and that they are unable to make rational decisions. Violence is due to the restriction of sexuality and must not be applied wrongfully. Stop using the word "fight" America.
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Derek Chauvin should be given life in prison, put a stop to the bullshit by police who thinks a badge gives them authority to end a life.
Demerara Guy godfather head got completely chopped off by an ax. Where are the charges for his killers where is the state compensation for his family. Blacks use slavery and segregation to hide behind to be racist to other peoples.
@Prashad posted:Demerara Guy godfather head got completely chopped off by an ax.
When was this and what was his crime?
@Prashad posted:Demerara Guy godfather head got completely chopped off by an ax. Where are the charges for his killers where is the state compensation for his family. Blacks use slavery and segregation to hide behind to be racist to other peoples.
What nonsense are you coming up with now? So because some supposedly black person did something in Guyana, it gives police the right to kill a black person in the US?
@Prashad posted:. Blacks use slavery and segregation to hide behind to be racist to other peoples.
Admin is this not against the rules: There should be no racial, ethnic, gender based insults or any other personal
discrimination. (when used as a derogatory comment)
Cain you never experienced black racism. For those people you are a god. Read up about the Prince Philip Movement. So you cannot understand where I am coming from.
@Mitwah posted:Admin is this not against the rules: There should be no racial, ethnic, gender based insults or any other personal
discrimination. (when used as a derogatory comment)
This Mitwah is a typical koolie. Fight other Koolies or play Jagan to fight other Koolies so that you can get a plump foreign job to get US money.
@Prashad posted:Cain you never experienced black racism. For those people you are a god. Read up about the Prince Philip Movement. So you cannot understand where I am coming from.
You are just another empty vessel.
@Mitwah posted:When was this and what was his crime?
Read your history you dump koolie.
The dump for my buddy Mits.
@Prashad posted:Demerara Guy godfather head got completely chopped off by an ax.
@Mitwah posted:When was this and what was his crime?
Happened during the Wismar Massacre which started in the latter part of May, 1964 and was published in the January 25, 1965 government report.
My godfather, Issac Bridgewater was beheaded and his residence burned down around midnight by invading individuals, as published in the report.
Others who also suffered were ....
1. Richard Khan, my cousin, who was killed.
2. Paul Mirgin, a family member, was killed
That is some awful stuff there DG, sorry to hear of that.
Verdict reached. Hopefully Chauvin gets the max conviction.
Floyd died after being restrained by former Minneapolis police officer during arrest last May
Former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin listens as his defence attorney Eric Nelson gives closing arguments at the Hennepin County Courthouse in Minneapolis on Monday. Chauvin has been convicted of murder and manslaughter charges in the death of George Floyd. (Court TV/The Associated Press)
Former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin has been convicted of murder and manslaughter in the death of George Floyd, which was captured on video and sparked worldwide protests over racism and police brutality.
Chauvin had been charged with second-degree unintentional murder, third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter in connection with Floyd's death. A jury found him guilty on all three counts Tuesday afternoon.
Floyd died on May 25, 2020, after Chauvin pressed his knees on his neck and back for more than nine minutes as two other officers held him face-down on the pavement while he was handcuffed. He had been detained outside a convenience store on suspicion of paying with a counterfeit bill.
This is a breaking news update. The earlier version of this story is below:
The jury has reached a verdict in the murder trial of former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin, who is charged with killing George Floyd, a 46-year-old Black man who died while being restrained by police during an arrest last May.
Chauvin, who is white, is charged with second-degree unintentional murder, third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter.
The verdict, reached after about 10 hours of deliberations over two days, is expected to be read late Tuesday afternoon.
The outcome of the high-profile trial at the Hennepin County District Court has been closely watched across the U.S. and around the world. Video of Floyd's arrest captured by a bystander prompted widespread outrage, setting off protests over racism and police brutality.
Minneapolis has been on high alert since the jurors began their deliberations on Monday, preparing for potential violence in the event of an acquittal. The city has also been on edge in recent days over the deadly police shooting of a 20-year-old Black man, Daunte Wright, in a nearby suburb on April 11.
Floyd died on May 25, 2020, after Chauvin pressed his knee on his neck and back for more than nine minutes as two other officers held him face down on the pavement while he was handcuffed. He had been detained outside a convenience store on suspicion of paying with a counterfeit bill.
In this image from police body camera video, Minneapolis police officers attempt to remove Floyd from a vehicle, on May 25, 2020. Floyd died after being restrained by Chauvin, who pressed a knee on his neck and back for about nine minutes, and two other officers. (Court TV/The Associated Press)
The diverse jury, consisting of four Black people, four white people and two who identified themselves as multiracial, had been deliberating since late Monday afternoon, sifting through 14 days worth of evidence that included scores of exhibits, video and testimony from 45 witnesses, most of whom were called by the prosecution.
Chauvin chose not to testify, invoking his Fifth Amendment right not to do so.
The task for the prosecution was to convince the jury that Chauvin's actions were a "substantial causal factor" in Floyd's death and that his use of force was unreasonable.
Prosecutor Steve Schleicher highlighted the video of Floyd's arrest in his closing arguments. (Court TV/The Associated Press)
To secure a conviction on the second-degree unintentional murder charge, prosecutors had to prove Chauvin caused Floyd's death while committing or attempting to commit a felony. In this case, the jurors had to determine whether Chauvin's knees pressed into Floyd's neck and back was a third-degree assault.
However, as the charge states, the death can be unintentional, meaning the prosecution wasn't required to prove that Chauvin intended to kill Floyd. Nor did it have to prove that no other factors contributed to his death.
For the third-degree murder charge, prosecutors had to convince the jury that Floyd's death was caused by an act that was obviously dangerous, though not necessarily a felony.
The manslaughter charge had the lowest bar, requiring proof that Chauvin caused Floyd's death through negligence that created an unreasonable risk and consciously took the chance of causing severe injury or death.
Demonstrators march in Minneapolis, Minn., on June 6, 2020, less than two weeks after Floyd's death. The bystander video of Floyd's arrest shared online caused widespread outrage and protests and led to a global reckoning over racism and police brutality. (Stephen Maturen/Getty Images)
Court heard from several prosecution medical witnesses who testified that Floyd died of positional asphyxia, meaning his oxygen was cut off during his restraint by police.
The state also elicited testimony from use-of-force experts, including from within the city's own police force. Several of them agreed the actions of Chauvin, who had been trained in use-of-force tactics, were excessive.
The city's police chief, Medaria Arradondo, testified that Chauvin violated police policy and should have stopped kneeling on Floyd once Floyd had stopped resisting and signalled he was in distress.
Perhaps the most-powerful pieces of evidence the prosecution relied on were the videos, from bystanders, police body cameras and surveillance cameras, showing Floyd pressed to the pavement, pleading that he couldn't breathe, before he eventually became unresponsive and police were heard saying they couldn't find a pulse.
That evidence included the video, shot by a teenage bystander, showing Chauvin pressing his knees into Floyd for nine minutes and 29 seconds, a period of time the prosecution repeatedly referred to in its closing argument.
But in his closing argument, Chauvin's defence lawyer, Eric Nelson, argued that the case had to be analyzed from a wider perspective than that time frame focused on by the prosecution.
He said jurors had to take into account the time before those nine minutes, including the struggle the police had with Floyd as they attempted unsuccessfully to get him into a squad car.
He said all the evidence showed that Chauvin was following both his training and Minneapolis police department policies. A use-of-force expert called to the stand by the defence testified that Chauvin was justified in his actions.
As for the cause of death, the defence argued Floyd died as a result of his pre-existing heart condition combined with the drugs fentanyl and methamphetamine in his system and the adrenaline rush from his interaction with police. Other contributing factors cited by the defence included carbon monoxide from the exhaust of a nearby squad car.
Defence attorney Eric Nelson gives closing arguments at the end of three weeks of testimony. (Court TV/The Associated Press)
Mark Gollom is a Toronto-based reporter with CBC News. He covers Canadian and U.S. politics and current affairs.
I know some will not agree with me. But here is my take. If a return verdict was not guilty there would have been chaos all across America.
I know Jurors are suppose to be impartial in their decisions.
But we are all humans and I am sure that there must have been a few there who know deep down in their hearts that if they were to say not guilty what the consequences will be.
So I am sure they kept those feelings locked in their hearts and decided to go the safe route.
@cain posted:Derek Chauvin should be given life in prison, put a stop to the bullshit by police who thinks a badge gives them authority to end a life.
He was found guilty on all three counts of murder.
The status quo fooling us again and I'm surprised you all accept this verdict. Why are they happy that someone is going to jail for the rest of his life? I'm sure if you all were Derek Chauvin you would think differently. I guess people would do anything to hide the truth about themselves in America. The fake media f****** me and Donald Trump. I can't trust my own Indian people. I guess to learn the truth about people they would have to be mentally ill and locked up in the hospital. I recently concluded that they're using the pressure of memories on memories to control us like the way we think and what we do physically. Good luck with your deceptive lives. I am confident that my system (DacDad) will identify you all. The reason for my mental illness is so identify life a different way because the truth that you all live by cannot be trusted. I'm hoping that police officers can see beneath the truth and detect and identify the conspiracy manifesting as reality. I guess you all don't want to be controlled but I'm hoping you will be controlled.
@Amral posted:I know some will not agree with me. But here is my take. If a return verdict was not guilty there would have been chaos all across America.
I know Jurors are suppose to be impartial in their decisions.
But we are all humans and I am sure that there must have been a few there who know deep down in their hearts that if they were to say not guilty what the consequences will be.
So I am sure they kept those feelings locked in their hearts and decided to go the safe route.
While what you state may be true, by what right does Chauvin put his knee on the neck of an already subdued, alleged counterfeiter? Contempt.for someone because he's black? Is this part of allowed police procedure?
@Former Member posted:Happened during the Wismar Massacre which started in the latter part of May, 1964 and was published in the January 25, 1965 government report.
My godfather, Issac Bridgewater was beheaded and his residence burned down around midnight by invading individuals, as published in the report.
Others who also suffered were ....
1. Richard Khan, my cousin, who was killed.
2. Paul Mirgin, a family member, was killed
DG, I was glad I wasn't living at Linden at the time of the rioting and killing, or I surely would have been killed along with my wife being raped and also murdered, not because I am half Indo, but because I would have got involved fighting against what was clearly wrong and racially motivated! While I was on strike in '63, I was told an IndoG girl, who chose to work supporting Cheddi's government, had been stripped naked by striking AfroG women! My blood boiled with rage that women could do such a thing to another woman because she was IndoG, supporting Cheddi's government! I heard PNC hooligans were looking for Wishart, an old white QC boy who had shot at some of the Linden rioters, and he had to be hustled out of the country!
My belated condolences for the loss of your loved ones!
My beef is not whether what Chauvin did is right or wrong. My doubts lay with the jurors verdict.
I have my doubts whether they all deeply believed him to be Guilty on all three counts. I think this could have been a hung jury.
@Amral posted:My beef is not whether what Chauvin did is right or wrong. My doubts lay with the jurors verdict.
I have my doubts whether they all deeply believed him to be Guilty on all three counts. I think this could have been a hung jury.
We'll never know! Only God knows! Speculating now, is a waste of time
@Amral posted:My beef is not whether what Chauvin did is right or wrong. My doubts lay with the jurors verdict.
I have my doubts whether they all deeply believed him to be Guilty on all three counts. I think this could have been a hung jury.
If kneeling on.the man's neck, if even it's police procedure, which I doubt, caused his death, it is murder! What justification could there be for that? They only allowed manslaughter because a policeman's job is a difficult one involving humans, not machines!
Now, they had better keep him out of the reach of black men in prison, or they will kneel on more delicate parts of him, before he dies, accidentally! Or commits suicide, wilfully!
@Amral posted:I know some will not agree with me. But here is my take. If a return verdict was not guilty there would have been chaos all across America.
I know Jurors are suppose to be impartial in their decisions.
But we are all humans and I am sure that there must have been a few there who know deep down in their hearts that if they were to say not guilty what the consequences will be.
So I am sure they kept those feelings locked in their hearts and decided to go the safe route.
Bai, you may be correct that some jurors may have chosen the 'safe verdict' but I still think it is the right one. With all the arguments presented in this case, one need only consider the last 4 minutes of that video which ended with the ambulance taking Floyd away to conclude that Chauvin's actions amounts to a blatant disregard for the sanctity of life. We all get into trouble but usually our gravest mistakes come when we are either unable or unwilling to adjust our actions when it become very obvious that we are doing something wrong. There were many bystanders telling Chauvin that his continued actions would end up in Floyd being killed and he never budged except to apply even further pressure to Floyd's neck. So while their decision may have been to avert further protest and violence, it was still the right decision in my opinion.
@Amral posted:My beef is not whether what Chauvin did is right or wrong. My doubts lay with the jurors verdict.
I have my doubts whether they all deeply believed him to be Guilty on all three counts. I think this could have been a hung jury.
There is sufficient credence to your belief that this could have been a hung jury but the jurors would have to ignore the last 4 minutes of the aforementioned video. Barring that 4 minutes of video any reasonable person can be convinced that Floyd was a big strong man who was easily overpowering those officers and one thing led to another and he ended up dead. The defense had some good moments during the trial in presenting doubt but I am not sure if it was sufficiently reasonable doubt.
But one just cannot ignore the last 4 minutes of that video because it was during that time that Chauvin's actions went from possible reasonable police policies and practices to manslaughter and eventually to murder.
In the end it is also necessary to not ignore that all of these cases involve people who were where they were intent on or have done something wrong or illegal. Floyd was pacing back and forth in that store maybe because he was aware he was going to pass a fake $20 bill on the hard working people from the store. His friend and 'girlfriend' were there because there with him because they were all seemingly involved in illegal drugs. The man from down the street was shot after he was stopped because he tried to escape and maybe he was thinking about the outstanding warrant for possessing an illegal firearm. The girl killed yesterday could have ended up killing a few people near her had the police not stopped her. Police work is dangerous and the people they are confronting are also dangerous. Those two are very combustible circumstances so while we can criticize the actions of the police in these cases the people they were confronting are not free of fault. Take Chauvin's actions yesterday. He must be fully aware that when he placed his hands behind his back yesterday, that was the last time he sees civilians. Yet he quietly did so and didn't try to overpower the court police and try to escape from the courthouse. True, there is no guarantees that doing the right thing will always keep one safe but doing the wrong thing is almost guaranteed to get one in trouble. Sometimes, lots of trouble.
Alan Dershowitz feels this is headed for the Supreme Court because of Maxine Waters, the other half of the Black and White of Ugly duo, Nancy Pelosi being the White half!
I'll never forget how she treated that Muslim doctor, in Congress, who had lost his loved ones to hate!
@Former Member posted:In the end it is also necessary to not ignore that all of these cases involve people who were where they were intent on or have done something wrong or illegal. Floyd was pacing back and forth in that store maybe because he was aware he was going to pass a fake $20 bill on the hard working people from the store. His friend and 'girlfriend' were there because there with him because they were all seemingly involved in illegal drugs. The man from down the street was shot after he was stopped because he tried to escape and maybe he was thinking about the outstanding warrant for possessing an illegal firearm. The girl killed yesterday could have ended up killing a few people near her had the police not stopped her. Police work is dangerous and the people they are confronting are also dangerous. Those two are very combustible circumstances so while we can criticize the actions of the police in these cases the people they were confronting are not free of fault. Take Chauvin's actions yesterday. He must be fully aware that when he placed his hands behind his back yesterday, that was the last time he sees civilians. Yet he quietly did so and didn't try to overpower the court police and try to escape from the courthouse. True, there is no guarantees that doing the right thing will always keep one safe but doing the wrong thing is almost guaranteed to get one in trouble. Sometimes, lots of trouble.
I think you are just rationalizing your prejudices, idum!
did you see Chauvin eyes keeps darting back and forth as the Judge was asking each Juror about their verdict. The man had a look of madness in those eyes
@Amral posted:did you see Chauvin eyes keeps darting back and forth as the Judge was asking each Juror about their verdict. The man had a look of madness in those eyes
So? Caged animals do the same when captured! Are they mad, too, as they seek escape!
@Amral posted:did you see Chauvin eyes keeps darting back and forth as the Judge was asking each Juror about their verdict. The man had a look of madness in those eyes
madness like upset or madness like crazy, out of his faculties.
To me he looked possessed. I can never forget the motions of his head as he held his knees on Floyd's neck. He was like a lion over its prey, his head just perched as he subdued for a kill.
Wouldn't be surprised he was pissed off that day.
Are you giving him an out, selggy? His attorney would be glad to hear from you! ALL America is race mad but the police has the legal power of enforcement with guns and a gang to back them up! If you are white you better remember which side you're on, if alone!
@Ronald Anthony Arjune posted:The blacks are acting like they are doing the police officer's job. They are telling a cop not to have emotions with decisions. I hope my system protects the officers and prevent a riot in case the officer Derek Chauvin is found innocent.
The blacks should stop acting like they are not aware of their thinking process and that they are unable to make rational decisions. Violence is due to the restriction of sexuality and must not be applied wrongfully. Stop using the word "fight" America.
Are you depriving yourself of your useful hands, Ron? Deprive them .no more! F ree! Whee!
@Amral posted:My beef is not whether what Chauvin did is right or wrong. My doubts lay with the jurors verdict.
I have my doubts whether they all deeply believed him to be Guilty on all three counts. I think this could have been a hung jury.
A hung jury all right! That is what there might have been if they had voted different! This is going to be appealed! All the way to SCOTUS, if necessary! I'm sure his attorney has told him that! That's probably why he put his hands behind his back in readiness for the handcuffs! Why make a violent and useless fuss?
@Former Member posted:Bai, you may be correct that some jurors may have chosen the 'safe verdict' but I still think it is the right one. With all the arguments presented in this case, one need only consider the last 4 minutes of that video which ended with the ambulance taking Floyd away to conclude that Chauvin's actions amounts to a blatant disregard for the sanctity of life. We all get into trouble but usually our gravest mistakes come when we are either unable or unwilling to adjust our actions when it become very obvious that we are doing something wrong. There were many bystanders telling Chauvin that his continued actions would end up in Floyd being killed and he never budged except to apply even further pressure to Floyd's neck. So while their decision may have been to avert further protest and violence, it was still the right decision in my opinion.
Why weren't the other police holding Floyd down charged as well? I'm sure they heard Floyd saying he couldn't breathe! They could have stopped Chauvin! They were accessories in causing Floyd's death!
@Former Member posted:Are you giving him an out, selggy? His attorney would be glad to hear from you! ALL America is race mad but the police has the legal power of enforcement with guns and a gang to back them up! If you are white you better remember which side you're on, if alone!
no.
He is definitely a unique human being, he lack feelings of any kind. He behaved like a wild beast. Even as I said, his instincts are wild.
@Former Member posted:Why weren't the other police holding Floyd down charged as well? I'm sure they heard Floyd saying he couldn't breathe! They could have stopped Chauvin! They were accessories in causing Floyd's death!
I believe others have been charged: "one down, three to go".
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