So if Region 3 increased does that mean that the Indian population increased, or that more non Indians have moved there from G/town.

What of Region 4.  Those leaving Region 6 are going some where, and not all are leaving Guyana.  The previous census showed indications that many moved to Region 4.

With the exception of Regions 8, 9, and 10, and to some degree Regions1, and  6, these regions are too ethnically diverse and the populations too mobile to use this as indications of anything.

Indeed some one mentioned that the African population is now 28%. Whereas in Guyana there is a specific notion of what an Indian, or even an Amerindian is, the same doesn't apply to Africans.  Raphael Trotman will be seen as most as African, and yet he identifies as mixed.  One might argue that Granger is more mixed than Trotman, and yet might consider himself to be black.

This is why I usually refer to the African/mixed voting blocs, and not attempting to separate the two.  But having said that the mixed population is now much more internally diverse in attitudes about itself, towards Indians and Africans, and in terms of its political behavior than ever before. 

The other issue which is emerging is that greater degree of cultural diversity within the Indian population.  It is not predominantly the rural peasant based "Hindu", Bollywood identified population that it once was. 

It now exists to an increasing degree on a cultural continuum and, face it, has now evolved into a creole population, albeit one with strong Indian roots, but also incorporating Afro creole, and "western" influences.  So are douglas necessarily as excluded as they once were?  I suspect that it depends on the particular family involved.

Originally Posted by baseman:

Originally Posted by caribny:

Originally Posted by baseman:

they are usually naked savages.

Cain, you rass stupid, if you want eat fried ants, I could have sent you to the Champs Elysee in Paris, it's really good there, but the meal will run you $200 easy.

BTW when you said that Africans only eat ants it wasn't because you were praising this dish as a delicacy. It was because you wanted to show how primitive they were.  You proceeded to regale us about Congo and pretend as if all of Africa is like that.

Banna, you ever ate ants, nothing beats a good ant-kebab.

So if eating ants is so wonderful why did you cite the consumption of ants in parts of Africa (regions where alternate food supplies are limited) as a indication of the backwardness of Africans in particular, and blacks in general?

I do not know that he said that but native peoples in our country eat at least two kinds of larva that I know of Tukuma from the cabbage palm beetle and another from the nut of a tree like the awara whose name slipped my mind presently.

Carib

You are now like TK. If so, what if etc. Too many assumptions. 

Please provide facts and figures and then posters will take you seriously. Figures please, Talk is Cheap.

Your facts are "someone mentioned" etc. Hard numbers please.

Despite what you might think Africans are also one of the six, so why didn't the PPP encourage Haitians to migrate there?   We can even go back to the days of the Federaation when Cheddi refused to join, causing its collapse, as Trinidad didn't want to be burdened by supporting the THEN poor smaller islands (inclusive of Barbados) when Jamaica left, and Guyana refused to join.

So why did Guyana not join the Federaion?  Hordes of Grenadians, Vincentians, and St Lucians descending on Guyana, disturbing the ethnic distribution was the reason.

So spare me the nonsense of the Chinese.  They are  born in China and have NOTHING to do culturally with Guyanese people of Chinese ancestry.  Facing a declining and increasingly restive Indian population, and failing to break into the African and mixed blocs the PPP is seeking insurance.

Tell your PPP to release the ethnic numbers and then we will have hard data wouldn't we?  If they aren't releasing these numbers, clearly important in an ethnically diverse and divided nation which is Guyana, clearly they wish to hide something.

Then please stop with your "what if" and "I think" and "someone mentioned"

You are sounding a lot like TK. Talk is cheap.

 I did not see this. There is no evidence of massive variability of population demographics in guyana. If I see such I would worry as to data collecting error rather than an existing fact.

Cultural self identification is also very stable. They young may inter marry but their self concept is not mutable. It has to be stable for personal identity and a sense of being in the world.

Indians will always self identify and adopting the mores of others or even specific cultural drift does not abrade such self identification.

The records for the last election indicate very few failing to list an ethnic designation or to be not sure.  The listing of mixed may be an imprecise category as to where on the ethnic divide these people self identity but there is no category in the nation that lists creole as a self concept. Most mixed people will self identify as black if given the choice between "Indian" or "black" if that is their gene pool.

Update: Guyana records population drop; migration persists

June 30, 2014 2:50 pmCategory: latest newsA+ / A-

By Kurt Campbell

 

Statistician and Census Officer Lennox Benjamin addresses the media. [iNews' Photo]

[www.inewsguyna.com] – Guyana has recorded a marginal reduction of 3,339 in its population, according to a preliminary report of the long awaited Population and Housing Census 2012, which was released today (Monday, June 30), by the Guyana Bureau of Statistics.

 

Guyana’s population count now stands at 747,884 having been 751,223 when the previous population count was conducted in 2002.         

When asked about the factors that contributed to this decline, Chief Statistician and Census Officer Lennox Benjamin explained that migration continues to be the major factor in this regard.

He recalled that the country’s population had peaked in 1980 and has never been able to regain that level despite increases in birth rate.

“The net migration factor remains the biggest influence,” Benjamin stated.

The 2012 census which marks the 17^th National Census of Guyana exposed that the number of persons per square kilometre (population density) remains the same in comparison to the 2002 census which was calculated at 3.5 persons per square kilometre.

Demerara-Mahaica (Region 4), in which the capital city Georgetown is located, has the highest density of about 140.4 persons per square kilometre followed by Regions 3 and 5 with 28.6 persons and 11.9 persons per square kilometre respectively.

Deputy Census Officer Vanessa Profit told those present that the urban townships including the capital City recorded a population reduction of 18,182, with a total population of 191,810 at Census 2012, down from 209,992 in the 2002 census.

This number implies that 26.4 per cent (191,810) of the total enumerated household population reported in 2012 live inurban areas as compared to 73.6 per cent (535,193) rural resident dwellers.

The exceptions to the pattern of reduction in urban townships were New Amsterdam and Rose Hall which reportedly had 0.17 percent and 0.59 percent annual growth rates respectively. The overall reduction has obviously been influenced by the outward shift of the population of Georgetown.

Meanwhile, the Coastland regions which include the capital city comprise the higher percentage of the population (89.1 percent). Region Four which constitutes only about one percent of the land area has 41.9 percent of the population followed by Regions 6 and 3 almost in equal proportions of 14.6 percent and 14.4 percent respectively.

The Bureau team stressed that despite the delay and challenges compiling and subsequently presenting the preliminary report, the document remains accurate and current and will guide policy decisions until the next census is conducted in 2022.

The preliminary report outlined broad parameters and failed to provide details on ethnic composition of the population, unemployment rate and foreign born population among others which will the team promised will presented by the second half of 2015.

It was also announced that females slightly outnumbered males in the 2012 census. There were 372,547 males and 375,337 females, thus giving an estimated sex ratio of 99 males per every 100 females.

The national average household size has decreased from about 4.1 persons per household in 2002 to 3.6 persons per household in 2012 census. The highest average household size was recorded for the four (4) Hinterland regions (Regions 1, 7, 8 and 9) combined which yielded an estimated 4.7 persons per household, down by an absolute 0.7 person when compared to the 2002 census results.

Building stocks in Guyana has increased from 187,696 in 2002 to 219,509 buildings in 2012. This represents an increase of 16.9 percent during the intercensal period, while the number of dwellings was reported as 221,741 in the 2012 census, up by 16,624 dwelling units when compared to 2002 figure of 205,117 dwelling units.

I will stop when YOUR PPP ceases to hide detailed census results.  I detect that you dont want the details released either, except in a very generalized form.

If they have the raw data what makes it take some 3 years for presentation?

Creole is a cultural concept, not a form of ethnic affiliation.  In Guyana ethnic indentity doesnt always conform to the cultural continuum that a person might exhibit.  Those days are over, and there is much more cultural blending, even as our ethnic paranoias remain as strong as ever.

What we know is that the Indian population is dwindling, most likely due to high rates of emigration....49% in 1991 to 43% in 2002.  The African population dwindled more slowly from 32% to 30%, assumptions being lower rates of emigration (the African extended family being weaker and therefore offering a narrower range of emigration options).

The big transformation has been the rapid growth of the SELF IDENTIFIED mixed population, and to a lesser degree the Amerindian.  The latter having the highest birth rates among the ethnic groups, and also participating the least in permanent emigration to North America, and the Caribbean.

The mixed population grew from 12% in 1991 (under PNC rule) to 17% in 2012 (under PPP rule).  This may indeed reflect a sharp increase in miscegenation among Indians/Africans/Amerindians, and the remnants of the Portuguese and Chinese populations. 

It might reflect people, who under PNC rule self identified as "Black", but now select "Mixed,"  now that "black out of style" with Indians assuming political and even fuller economic dominance, this reducing the social prestige of being "black".

The fact is that we dont know.  And this has political repercussions.  If the rapid growth of the mixed population since 1991 is due to increased miscegenation, then this mixed population is different from the traditional "mulatto" population, who were culturally merely light skinned  blacks, and therefore indistinguishable in terms of their ethno political behavior.

What we do know is that most of these people are below voting age, and therefore people mustnt get too excited by this group.

If the mixed population is growing to a degree because some, who in previous census self identified as black, but now prefer to be mixed, then these people will remain an integral part of the Afro Guyanese population.

Of course a growing % of this mixed population likely include Brazilians who are now (semi) permanent residents of Guyana.  Do they wish to meddle in Guyanese politics, or do they see it as too messy, and so wish no part of it?

Regardless Guyana is moving away from its traditional mode where ethnic affiliations, and cultural identity were closely related, and the mixed were a mere residual (light skinned black) population.

What we can conjecture by this is that

1.  The Indian population has dropped SIGNIFICANTLY (they are the ones most impacted by emigration).  The PPP wishes to hide this fact. 

2.  More Africans are living in Region 3 as part of the overall movement from G/town.

3.  More Coastlanders are at least semi permanent residents in the interior.

Now what will Nehru scream as he babbles about "Guyana sweet" if in an era when the USA has tightened their immigration rules (it is much harder to sponsor a relative, especially when the person filing isnt a US citizen), and they have sharply increased the fees to file.  So why are PPP supporters fleeing when they should instead by returning to the PPP paradise?

All of these PPP maniacs.  Why has the population fallen even as the NEW Chinese and Brazilian populations have increased?

The census reveals some crucial findings

A population census is a crucial indicator for national development planning. Governments rely on it to plan developmental strategies. For example, if there is a population shift to some other part of the country the government would do well to take infrastructure to that location where the population is growing.
Once there is movement of people there is the movement of children. And with the movement of children there is the need for schools and the various programmes that support the national education programme.
But there is more to a census. One interesting fact emerging from the 2012 census is that Guyana has an aging population. The number of people over the age of 65 is increasing. Immediately, the authorities are now taking into consideration the need for social services and the other services that go with an aging population.
Then there is the issue of population shifts. From the 1990s the government has been distributing house lots to people who wanted to become owners of their own homes. That sparked a movement of people from the urban areas to the suburban locations where the land was being allocated.
But the greatest movement of people came when the government began to fashion housing schemes. Today there are no less than two dozen housing schemes around the country, most of them in Regions Three, Four and Six. It surely cannot be accidental that Regions Three and Four have recorded population growth. Region Six, on the other hand, suffered a population decline.
There were recorded declines in other regions and these all tell a story. Region Six is a border location. It is not unusual for people in that region to cross the Corentyne River to Suriname. In fact, many of them have taken up residence in the neighbouring country to the extent that there are Surinamese of Guyanese parentage.
Other regions to record a population decline are Regions Two, Five and Ten. Region Two comprises the Essequibo Islands and many of these were being abandoned over the years. Over the past ten years, more than three thousand people have disappeared from that region.
The situation with Region Ten could be understood. It is no longer the booming mining town it once was. Employment is scarce and school leavers know that their destiny does not rest in that Region. They therefore migrate, more often than not to the city.
There are other discoveries as a result of the census. For example, more houses are being built because of the government land distribution programme. This must be the main contributory factor in the size of households. These have declined from 5.1 per household in 1980 to 3.2 per household today.
And even as more houses are being built the census found an increasing number of empty houses, reflecting a tale of migration and a declining population. We have not yet been able to determine the other factors at play here. For example, we are not yet aware of the social factors at work in the society. We need to know whether our people are living better; whether the academic spread is better and other social indicators.
The extent of unemployment among the declining population would be an interesting fact. Over time, the wider society has been decrying what they perceived to be the absence of jobs. Many people have graduated from the University of Guyana and simply could not land a job. It is worse for those who seek to enter the world of work immediately after secondary school.
One of the interesting findings is related to the gender issue. There are fractionally more women than men. Of course, such a finding is being used by people for a variety of reasons. The less educated among the men seek to justify the reason for having more than one family although he can barely work to maintain one.
The 2012 census is out and there would be so much more uncovered. Already the politicians are honing their campaign strategies.

ASSJ, Yugi didn't fall for your trickery, the man gatt smarts more than you.  Like baseman, he has issues with the GoG, but like baseman, he see thru the demagoguery.  Hope you well stocked with Imodium AD.

Shithead, what trickery, are you talking about? where is the trickery that a skonthole like you would want to link me with?