Granger says election result will be lawfully challenged, urges supporters to remain calm

Who do you think will succeed Granger as leader of the PNC?

Granger and GECOM had over 5 long years to have an updated voters list, he was incharge of the election/rigging machinery, any rigging done was by the PNC.

 Fact remains that MANY BLACKS voted for change, they voted PPP. Who kicked the PNC out? BLACK VOTERS.

The 2015 election petition has to be heard first. So me learned friend has to take a number and stand in line.

Only after it was evident that the count was going against the PNC, the chanting began. He will need to provide proof that dead people voted to supply names, addresses, death certificates, and relevant information. He is just venting to satisfy his followers. ALL the courts have ruled against him. Where he is going to go? The CCJ? They will give him a certificate for regular attendance. Good luck Lucifer Granger.

The PNC isn't going to challenge the declaration. Granger is only saying so to give his supporters to remain calm and as time past they too will accept that there is a new government in place and they will go back to living their lives.

@Bibi Haniffa posted:

The 2015 election petition has to be heard first. So me learned friend has to take a number and stand in line.

No, it doesn't have to--that position will lead to protests of various kinds that will be difficult to control or contain.  The High Court must deal with the petition as expeditiously as it did Nandlall's various actions.

@Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

Who do you think will succeed Granger as leader of the PNC?

Norton

@Totaram posted:

No, it doesn't have to--that position will lead to protests of various kinds that will be difficult to control or contain.  The High Court must deal with the petition as expeditiously as it did Nandlall's various actions.

I don't think the PNC will be filing any petition though.

Why is Granger hanging on. The PNC should just drop the fool. He had the perfect chance of making Guyana a good place and he blew it. An outright bigot. I said the other day, I doan think Granger have any indo associates.

So also is Volda.

@seignet posted:

Why is Granger hanging on. The PNC should just drop the fool. He had the perfect chance of making Guyana a good place and he blew it. An outright bigot. I said the other day, I doan think Granger have any indo associates.

So also is Volda.

My guess is that things will change by the time they present their list of MPs to the National Assembly.

@Bibi Haniffa posted:

The 2015 election petition has to be heard first. So me learned friend has to take a number and stand in line.

PPP/C filed a petition for the 2015 elections which is yet to be heard in the courts.

Perhaps indeed PNCR/APNU/AFC will file an election petition which will be heard in about more than 5 years after the hearing of the PPP/C petition filed in 2015.

Firstly, except to set the record straight, the 2015 elections petition is effectively a none issue. Secondly, I doubt the PNC will be filing any petition. They are deeply in debt from all the frivolous lawsuits they filed the past 5 months. 

Ilum ...

Quite a likely development by the PNC.

I would like to know that Guyana has a legitimate government so I hope apnu/AFC can bring forward their claims to court and get justice. The only hope I have so far is justice. 

Perhaps, it is quite unknown to some that Guyana has a legitimate government.

If Norton is going to be the next leader of the PNC then they surely won't have any chance of winning votes from across racial lines. He is too radical and blatantly dishonest. 

@Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

If Norton is going to be the next leader of the PNC then they surely won't have any chance of winning votes from across racial lines. He is too radical and blatantly dishonest. 

If Volda, Harmon and now Norton are out...who you suggest??

@VishMahabir posted:

If Volda, Harmon and now Norton are out...who you suggest??

Nagamootoo.

@VishMahabir posted:

If Volda, Harmon and now Norton are out...who you suggest??

@Former Member posted:

Nagamootoo.

Haaa haaa haaaaa haaahaaaa  

You mean Moses Nagamootoo ---

So, he was always a die-hard member of the PNCR inner circle.

@VishMahabir posted:

If Volda, Harmon and now Norton are out...who you suggest??

possibly an indo.

@seignet posted:

possibly an indo.

Perhaps Joey Jagan who always aspired to be the leader of a political organization. 

He can get the support of his god-sisters and god-brothers in the PNCR.

He can become the leader of his god-father's political party.

@Former Member posted:

Nagamootoo.

Nah. I suggest Moses. Nagamootoo is AFC.

@Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

Who do you think will succeed Granger as leader of the PNC?

Is Dominic Gaskin a possibility? Yes I know he is AFC and it would appear to be a reverse takeover. However Granger can engineer it. Besides he has generated crossover appeal when he spoke out about Mingo's antics and then his later comments that the Coalition lost the election. It is possible that when he made those comments that Gaskin was already thinking of the post-Granger Coalition. This strategy would not be dissimilar to Senator Romney currently positioning himself for the post-Trump Republican Party.

I don't see revival of the PNC through leadership in the short term.  The PNC would have to get a decent leader with a powerful influence over the ranks. For him to succeed in building a coalition against the government the PPP will to screw up royally.  I don't see a new PNC at all. 

Gaskin will fail. The die hards will not forget nor forgive him. 

@Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

Gaskin will fail. The die hards will not forget nor forgive him. 

I don't think the PNC can repair its image of their behavior the past 19 months. Their only option is to wait on the next generation as those now alive will remember what they did. 

@Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

I don't see revival of the PNC through leadership in the short term.  The PNC would have to get a decent leader with a powerful influence over the ranks. For him to succeed in building a coalition against the government the PPP will to screw up royally.  I don't see a new PNC at all. 

That's what the orbuculum says one party dictatorship headed by Indo Guyanese. 

@Locutus posted:

Is Dominic Gaskin a possibility? Yes I know he is AFC and it would appear to be a reverse takeover. However Granger can engineer it. Besides he has generated crossover appeal when he spoke out about Mingo's antics and then his later comments that the Coalition lost the election. It is possible that when he made those comments that Gaskin was already thinking of the post-Granger Coalition. This strategy would not be dissimilar to Senator Romney currently positioning himself for the post-Trump Republican Party.

Gaskin will not be leader of PNCR .There will be a shake up in the party , look out for young faces. Also there will be changes in the AFC ,communicated via the grape vine.

The PPP margin of victory is slim and claims of Electoral Fraud , chances are they can be booted out with effective Electoral reforms .We have to look out for prevention of new voters list .

Constitutional changes will be in the back burner ,politicians embraces the power given by Burnham Constitution where articles and clauses aren't clearly defined.

@Django posted:

 

Constitutional changes will be in the back burner ,politicians embraces to power given by Burnham Constitution where articles and clauses aren't clearly defined.

I am not sure how much power Burnham Constitution give to politicians because the Coalition while in government lost every legal battle from  that same constitution. If the governing politicians can't benefit from it why would any politician want to embrace it?

@Former Member posted:

I am not sure how much power Burnham Constitution give to politicians because the Coalition while in government lost every legal battle from  that same constitution. If the governing politicians can't benefit from it why would any politician want to embrace it?

The PPP is lucky that Granger did not misuse the power he had by virtue of that constitution.  Burnham and that constitution would have been a whole different matter.  

@Former Member posted:

I am not sure how much power Burnham Constitution give to politicians because the Coalition while in government lost every legal battle from  that same constitution. If the governing politicians can't benefit from it why would any politician want to embrace it?

It's not the legal battles it's the interpretation of the articles ,it's been twisted to suit the purpose of  of some politicians.

It's  not week and the President is excercising the powers given.

Bond is the next leader of the PNC.

Django is a pusher of lies generated from Congress Place.  I refuse to believe most the rubbish he brings to this forum. The whole world saw how the PNC attempted to rig the March 2 elections and how much the opposition and other forces in the society had to fight to stop it. Our sister Caribbean states intervened and did a thorough examination of the results from the SOPS vs. the actual ballots in the boxes and found that the PPP won the elections.  Not one observer group or political party in the opposition found the recount to be fraudulent, yet Granger keeps lying through teeth about anomalies and dead people voting.  

Today's Stabroek News editorial talked about the PPP's slim majority of 33 out of 65 and cautioned that it might slip in the future due to the increase in mixed and Amerindian votes.  They likewise cautioned that the PNC command of 40-42% support is under serious threat since the Afro population has declined to 28%.  Coalition government might be the only way to form a government in the not too distant future like it is in Suriname.  

PPPites are cognizant of this fact and are surely working on increasing its support nationwide across ethnic lines.  The PNC's hardline racist stand that threatens  Indo-Guyanese  will have a even more difficult capturing goverment that the well-established PPP which has a better record in governing, respecting the constitution, building the nation's economy, and improving the living standard.

@Totaram posted:

The PPP is lucky that Granger did not misuse the power he had by virtue of that constitution.  Burnham and that constitution would have been a whole different matter.  

That's  a fact ,Granger could have sworn in as President .The second declaration of Region 4 wasn't thrown out by the Court when it was sought to make it void. All the latter court matters was to get the declaration on validity of the recount tabulated votes.

@Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

Django is a pusher of lies generated from Congress Place.  I refuse to believe most the rubbish he brings to this forum. The whole world saw how the PNC attempted to rig the March 2 elections and how much the opposition and other forces in the society had to fight to stop it. Our sister Caribbean states intervened and did a thorough examination of the results from the SOPS vs. the actual ballots in the boxes and found that the PPP won the elections.  Not one observer group or political party in the opposition found the recount to be fraudulent, yet Granger keeps lying through teeth about anomalies and dead people voting.  

Today's Stabroek News editorial talked about the PPP's slim majority of 33 out of 65 and cautioned that it might slip in the future due to the increase in mixed and Amerindian votes.  They likewise cautioned that the PNC command of 40-42% support is under serious threat since the Afro population has declined to 28%.  Coalition government might be the only way to form a government in the not too distant future like it is in Suriname.  

PPPites are cognizant of this fact and are surely working on increasing its support nationwide across ethnic lines.  The PNC's hardline racist stand that threatens  Indo-Guyanese  will have a even more difficult capturing goverment that the well-established PPP which has a better record in governing, respecting the constitution, building the nation's economy, and improving the living standard.

The first paragraph is one sided. You haven't brought any substance to my arguments on the forum. 

Your input is laced with ethnic identity ,your views are like many who sees Indo Guyanese as superior in Guyana ,pure and simple..Not good for multiple ethnic countries.

Later I will prove there is no major cross voting ,will start with Region 4 ,I have the data.

Your arguments are not based on facts and therefore carry no weight.  

You are barefacedly pushing PNC agenda. Granger's son-in-law acknowledged that APNU/AFC lost the elections and there's not a shred of evidence to prove fraud. 

Take a walk my friend.  Your party lost and you should accept that.

@Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

Your arguments are not based on facts and therefore carry no weight.  

You are barefacedly pushing PNC agenda. Granger's son-in-law acknowledged that APNU/AFC lost the elections and there's not a shred of evidence to prove fraud. 

Take a walk my friend.  Your party lost and you should accept that.

There is no push for any party agenda ,I state facts. The recount shows Massive FRAUD in the 2020 Elections. Further stated many times no affiliation to any political party in Guyana.

Only kowtows to ethnic identity will not see the evidence of  FRAUD .

@Totaram posted:

The PPP is lucky that Granger did not misuse the power he had by virtue of that constitution.  Burnham and that constitution would have been a whole different matter.  

In fact Granger did everything to misuse the constitution to avoid using a nominee from the opposition for GECOM chairperson so he can set up his rigging machinery but the NCM cut up his runnings. Then he misused it to try to violate the consequences of the NCM. Then after he looses the legal proceedings regarding those two misuses he again misused it to delay the elections. The court again had to properly use the constitution to put him in compliance. Then after he lost the elections in March he again misused the constitution to delay the declaration for over 150 days. The declaration came because the courts again had to use the constitution to condemn his misuse of it. So the problem was never the constitution but rather Granger’s tendencies to misuse (violate) it. Granger was always the culprit, not the constitution.

@Django posted:

It's not the legal battles it's the interpretation of the articles ,it's been twisted to suit the purpose of  of some politicians.

It's  not week and the President is excercising the powers given.

What powers?

@Django posted:

That's  a fact ,Granger could have sworn in as President .The second declaration of Region 4 wasn't thrown out by the Court when it was sought to make it void. All the latter court matters was to get the declaration on validity of the recount tabulated votes.

Granger couldn’t swear himself in. That is done by the Chancellor of the Judiciary at the bequest of the GECOM Chairperson after the Chairperson makes the declaration. Fortunately for Guyana Granger’s handpicked Chairperson was unwilling to violate the constitution to appease him Granger. His original plan to misuse the Chairperson was against thwarted by the proper use of the constitution.

Granger could have always resorted to a military option but thankfully he was fully aware of what happens to military ‘strongmen’ following the demise of the Soviet Union.

@Django posted:

 

Later I will prove there is no major cross voting ,will start with Region 4 ,I have the data.

This will be interesting because so far only the PPP published SOPs and the National Recount SORs are almost identical. All the other numbers made up by Mingo and Lowenfield are not supported by any source documents.

@Django posted:

There is no push for any party agenda ,I state facts. The recount shows Massive FRAUD in the 2020 Elections. Further stated many times no affiliation to any political party in Guyana.

Only kowtows to ethnic identity will not see the evidence of  FRAUD .

Thankfully Guyana has an elections petition option so there are proper opportunities to present those evidences of fraud to the court. But the PNC needs to hurry up because they only have 28 days to file their petition. One quarter of that time would have elapsed today.

@seignet posted:

possibly an indo.

Would never happen. Maybe an individual of mixed race. If this happens, another splinter group will be formed to attract the black votes. PNC is all blacks only. Ask Vulga Lawrence. Maybe she and Simona Coconut Branch Broom can be the new faces of the party.

@Django posted:

That's what the orbuculum says one party dictatorship headed by Indo Guyanese. 

Are you an Orbuculum? You seem to take jabs at the PPP at every opportunity you have. Politics is dirty and every party has a right to devise a plan to get into office by all fair means. Jagdeo was successful in bringing attention to the nation the type of party the PNC is by a successful NCM in which Granger and the PNC demonstrated that Guyana was a dictatorship under the PNC. The people noticed and threw him out. Your mantra about fraud is unfounded. Only in Guyana and only PNC supporters see fraud. The world 130 countries and the UN failed to buttress the PNC allegations. Do you believe in less than 300,000 people or the world?